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Title: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 12:20:36 pm
I finally got my Qu-16 about 10 days ago, and it was worth the wait.  BIG ups to  Ryan Jenkins (LOUDMUSIC) for handling the order for me.

So, I now have a comprehensive 16 channel desk to handle the average jobs.  Very compact, so this old man can put it in a spare accordion padded case and sling it over his shoulder.  I'm keeping my SLive 24:4:2 for when I need a higher channel count, but it looks like it'll be 4 gigs on the Qu to 1 on the SLive.

The Presonus took me about an hour to figure out.  The Qu-16 a couple of hours as it has more features.  I've gone over all the current functions (much, much more in the pipeline) and even found a way to route stuff to a functional sub-group by using one of the stereo auxes to feed one of the Stereo Inputs via an XLRF>TRS jumper.  So no lack of sub-group capability there.

The only thing that I'll really, REALLY miss (and will be begging A&H to put on their future features list) will be the SLive downward expanders.  Absolutely the best way to keep a mix clean on a loud stage with the typical multi-band, no change-over time gigs.

So I'm hoping to hear from other Qu-users here.

WARNING:

Anyone chiming in with posts on other desks with larger channel counts, twice the price or ANYTHING about the X32 will incur severe displeasure and instantly placed in the "iggy bin" to rot for eternity.

DR
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on August 21, 2013, 12:49:25 pm
Thanks for the kind words.

On the GLD, the gate is excellent for cleaning up a mix.  I find that 6-10 dB of attenuation works for most of my stuff.  I adjust the hold and release as needed per input.  The GLD also let's us key in on a frequency range, does the QU-16 also do that?  I doesn't mention it in the user guide.  I don't know it to be a fact but I would ASSume the gate on both the GLD and the QU-16 to be the same algorithm and I find it very smooth and as natural sounding as a gate can be.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jared Koopman on August 21, 2013, 12:52:24 pm
I finally got my Qu-16 about 10 days ago, and it was worth the wait.  BIG ups to  Ryan Jenkins (LOUDMUSIC) for handling the order for me.

So, I now have a comprehensive 16 channel desk to handle the average jobs.  Very compact, so this old man can put it in a spare accordion padded case and sling it over his shoulder.  I'm keeping my SLive 24:4:2 for when I need a higher channel count, but it looks like it'll be 4 gigs on the Qu to 1 on the SLive.

The Presonus took me about an hour to figure out.  The Qu-16 a couple of hours as it has more features.  I've gone over all the current functions (much, much more in the pipeline) and even found a way to route stuff to a functional sub-group by using one of the stereo auxes to feed one of the Stereo Inputs via an XLRF>TRS jumper.  So no lack of sub-group capability there.

The only thing that I'll really, REALLY miss (and will be begging A&H to put on their future features list) will be the SLive downward expanders.  Absolutely the best way to keep a mix clean on a loud stage with the typical multi-band, no change-over time gigs.

So I'm hoping to hear from other Qu-users here.

WARNING:

Anyone chiming in with posts on other desks with larger channel counts, twice the price or ANYTHING about the X32 will incur severe displeasure and instantly placed in the "iggy bin" to rot for eternity.

DR

Are you using it with the AR2412 as well? Or plan to?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 01:15:28 pm
Are you using it with the AR2412 as well? Or plan to?

It is not possible to use it with the 2412 at this time.  And yes, I plan to relegate my copper snake to "spares in the trailer" status ASAP.

Ryan....

I can't say for sure off the top of my head, but I've seen nothing so far which would allow an insert on the gate to use a frequency trigger.  I'll look for that the next time I'm going through things.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jared Koopman on August 21, 2013, 01:28:28 pm
Does the GEQ for mains and mixes "consume" an FX slot or is it independent?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 01:32:54 pm
Does the GEQ for mains and mixes "consume" an FX slot or is it independent?

Independent.

Anyone can now download the user manual from A&H.  It's not a large file and is fairly comprehensive, although some little tricks have been omitted.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on August 21, 2013, 01:51:04 pm
It is not possible to use it with the 2412 at this time.  And yes, I plan to relegate my copper snake to "spares in the trailer" status ASAP.

Ryan....

I can't say for sure off the top of my head, but I've seen nothing so far which would allow an insert on the gate to use a frequency trigger.  I'll look for that the next time I'm going through things.

On the GLD it is right on the gate screen.  Does not let us key another input, just a frequency range.  You would see it if it were there.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 02:02:53 pm
On the GLD it is right on the gate screen.  Does not let us key another input, just a frequency range.  You would see it if it were there.

I didn't remember anything and I don't see it here, either.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 02:29:10 pm
On the GLD it is right on the gate screen.  Does not let us key another input, just a frequency range.  You would see it if it were there.

The only way I can see that you could get the Qu gates to be at all frequency reactive would be if the PEQ was ahead of the gate in the processing chain... and it isn't.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Bob Leonard on August 21, 2013, 04:04:46 pm
So, how about those X32's, Expression's, and Pro series desks??

Nice board Dick, and I wish you lot's of good luck with it.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 04:46:29 pm
So, how about those X32's, Expression's, and Pro series desks??

Nice board Dick, and I wish you lot's of good luck with it.

Thanks, Bob.  It's certainly going to lighten my load.

Ain't it great sitting at the "end of the pipeline" waiting for the latest firmware updates?  What a way to spend my dotage.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on August 21, 2013, 07:21:21 pm
I finally got my Qu-16 about 10 days ago, and it was worth the wait.  BIG ups to  Ryan Jenkins (LOUDMUSIC) for handling the order for me.

So, I now have a comprehensive 16 channel desk to handle the average jobs.  Very compact, so this old man can put it in a spare accordion padded case and sling it over his shoulder.  I'm keeping my SLive 24:4:2 for when I need a higher channel count, but it looks like it'll be 4 gigs on the Qu to 1 on the SLive.

The Presonus took me about an hour to figure out.  The Qu-16 a couple of hours as it has more features.  I've gone over all the current functions (much, much more in the pipeline) and even found a way to route stuff to a functional sub-group by using one of the stereo auxes to feed one of the Stereo Inputs via an XLRF>TRS jumper.  So no lack of sub-group capability there.

The only thing that I'll really, REALLY miss (and will be begging A&H to put on their future features list) will be the SLive downward expanders.  Absolutely the best way to keep a mix clean on a loud stage with the typical multi-band, no change-over time gigs.

So I'm hoping to hear from other Qu-users here.

WARNING:

Anyone chiming in with posts on other desks with larger channel counts, twice the price or ANYTHING about the X32 will incur severe displeasure and instantly placed in the "iggy bin" to rot for eternity.

DR
Hi Dick,

Clever thinking to create "subgroups" by basically routing them yourself ;)

At the risk of putting myself in the "iggy bin", I would like to ask a few questions with regards to other mixers ;)

First, was it just size, or something else that the Qu-16 had that made you want to get it instead of just sticking with your SL?

Second, since the price of the Qu-16 is identical to the Expression Si, what was it that made you pick the Qu-16 over the Expression Si?

The last time I checked, A&H hadn't released a new version of firmware ..... so still no remote mixing, and no custom layer support.  Were these features you didn't really need, or are just willing to wait a bit for?

Thanks Dick.  I am really close to replacing my MixWiz with one of the new digital mixers and would appreciate knowing your thought process.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 07:26:05 pm
Hi Dick,

Clever thinking to create "subgroups" by basically routing them yourself ;)

At the risk of putting myself in the "iggy bin", I would like to ask a few questions with regards to other mixers ;)

First, was it just size, or something else that the Qu-16 had that made you want to get it instead of just sticking with your SL?

Second, since the price of the Qu-16 is identical to the Expression Si, what was it that made you pick the Qu-16 over the Expression Si?

The last time I checked, A&H hadn't released a new version of firmware ..... so still no remote mixing, and no custom layer support.  Were these features you didn't really need, or are just willing to wait a bit for?

Thanks Dick.  I am really close to replacing my MixWiz with one of the new digital mixers and would appreciate knowing your thought process.

Scott..

Since I am the OP, I clicked on the "view this post" option to see what you had to say.  Truth to tell, you've been in the "Iggy Bin" for quite a while, mostly for your own protection to keep me from ragging on you and not anything really personal.

I intend this to be a discussion of this particular desk, what it can and can't do and how to get the most out of it.  As such, your questions are off topic and get no answer.

Sorry.   
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on August 21, 2013, 08:37:28 pm
Scott..

Since I am the OP, I clicked on the "view this post" option to see what you had to say.  Truth to tell, you've been in the "Iggy Bin" for quite a while, mostly for your own protection to keep me from ragging on you and not anything really personal.

I intend this to be a discussion of this particular desk, what it can and can't do and how to get the most out of it.  As such, your questions are off topic and get no answer.

Sorry.   

Fair enough.  Since you mentioned your SL in your post and made this statement:
Quote
Anyone chiming in with posts on other desks with larger channel counts, twice the price or ANYTHING about the X32 will incur severe displeasure and instantly placed in the "iggy bin" to rot for eternity.
I thought that perhaps the SL and Expression Si comparisons were fair game.  Didn't mean to derail your thread.

How are the quality of the verbs?  They are reportedly using the iLive algorithms, so one would think they would sound outstanding.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 21, 2013, 08:47:01 pm

How are the quality of the verbs? 

Very, very good.  My most used reverb has been the TCE M2000.  These are better.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Mike Sullivan on August 21, 2013, 10:08:16 pm
So how would the Qu-16 compare to, say, the X32 Studiolive 16.4.2 then ( :P )...if you have any idea of the 16.4.2 versus the full 24-channel.  I run a 24.4.2 right now, and I'd like to pick up a small rackmount board for DJ shows and small bands, to prevent lugging my 24.4.2 around (or the 32.4.2 when it comes out).
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 22, 2013, 08:27:03 am
So how would the Qu-16 compare to, say, the X32 Studiolive 16.4.2 then ( :P )...if you have any idea of the 16.4.2 versus the full 24-channel.  I run a 24.4.2 right now, and I'd like to pick up a small rackmount board for DJ shows and small bands, to prevent lugging my 24.4.2 around (or the 32.4.2 when it comes out).

Mike...

Other than your association with (UGH) DJ's, our situations would be identical.  I can tell you that I've owned and used both the 16 and 24 channel models of the SLive, sold the 16 to get the 24 for the feature-set upgrade and quite enjoy the simplicity of the board.  I'll hang on to the 24, but I needed another 16 channel board, having sold off my MixWiz to a church group in Iowa City.

The Qu-16 really is a "digital MixWiz".  The original Wiz has rightly achieved "venerable" status for being a rugged, useful, affordable audio tool.  I sense the Qu will fill a similar niche in this "New World" of smaller digital audio consoles. 

 
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on August 22, 2013, 04:17:25 pm
Mike...

Other than your association with (UGH) DJ's, our situations would be identical.  I can tell you that I've owned and used both the 16 and 24 channel models of the SLive, sold the 16 to get the 24 for the feature-set upgrade and quite enjoy the simplicity of the board.  I'll hang on to the 24, but I needed another 16 channel board, having sold off my MixWiz to a church group in Iowa City.

The Qu-16 really is a "digital MixWiz".  The original Wiz has rightly achieved "venerable" status for being a rugged, useful, affordable audio tool.  I sense the Qu will fill a similar niche in this "New World" of smaller digital audio consoles.
Dick,

It is my understanding that when the new firmware is released, the Qu-16 will support the a GLD-84 stage box (I believe they may support 2 of them and you would likely use the custom layer to control the additional 16 inputs this would give you).  That would give you a total of 24 or 32 inputs with the Qu-16.  Looks like the GLD-84 goes for around $1200.00, so upgrading would be costly.  If you only needed one and could live with 24 channels, that may be preferable to having 2 mixers.

Just a thought ;)
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on August 22, 2013, 06:21:06 pm
Dick,

It is my understanding that when the new firmware is released, the Qu-16 will support the a GLD-84 stage box (I believe they may support 2 of them and you would likely use the custom layer to control the additional 16 inputs this would give you).  That would give you a total of 24 or 32 inputs with the Qu-16.  Looks like the GLD-84 goes for around $1200.00, so upgrading would be costly.  If you only needed one and could live with 24 channels, that may be preferable to having 2 mixers.

Just a thought ;)

Scott,  to the best of my knowledge, the QU-16 will work with an AR2412, or the AR84 when the feature is turned on in a firmware update.  MAP on the AR2412 is $2199, MAP on the AR84 is $1099.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 22, 2013, 07:05:38 pm
Dick,

It is my understanding that when the new firmware is released, the Qu-16 will support the a GLD-84 stage box (I believe they may support 2 of them and you would likely use the custom layer to control the additional 16 inputs this would give you). That would give you a total of 24 or 32 inputs with the Qu-16.  Looks like the GLD-84 goes for around $1200.00, so upgrading would be costly.  If you only needed one and could live with 24 channels, that may be preferable to having 2 mixers.

Just a thought ;)

Idle speculation.  We'll know soon enough. 
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jason Lucas on August 22, 2013, 07:07:19 pm
Dick,

It is my understanding that when the new firmware is released, the Qu-16 will support the a GLD-84 stage box (I believe they may support 2 of them and you would likely use the custom layer to control the additional 16 inputs this would give you).  That would give you a total of 24 or 32 inputs with the Qu-16.  Looks like the GLD-84 goes for around $1200.00, so upgrading would be costly.  If you only needed one and could live with 24 channels, that may be preferable to having 2 mixers.

Just a thought ;)

If that turns out to be true I'm really, really going to want one.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Tommy Peel on August 22, 2013, 07:36:39 pm
If that turns out to be true I'm really, really going to want one.
+1


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Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 22, 2013, 07:47:01 pm
+1


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You will now join Scott and Jason in "The Bin" for "me-tooism" to his meaningless speculation. 
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on August 23, 2013, 03:53:42 pm
Idle speculation.  We'll know soon enough.
The support of the stage box is not speculation.  From the Qu-16 User Manual (bottom of page 8 )

Quote
dSNAKE – The proprietary Allen & Heath ‘digital snake’
connection for remote audio using the AR2412 AudioRack,
and personal monitoring using the ME system.

... and from the brochure:

Quote
Qu-16 is a self-contained mixer, so if you’ve already got the
analogue cables you’re good to go. If you’re thinking of
trading in the copper multicore for a Cat5 digital snake,
Qu-16’s dSNAKE port has you future-proofed, allowing
connection to a remote AR2412 or AR84 Stagebox.
dSNAKE is our proprietary networking solution, boasting a
transport latency of only 105us over cable runs of up to
120m / 390’. So if you’re mixing FoH you can place your I/O
on the stage and run a single Cat5 cable back to the Qu-16
in the mix position.

The use of the custom layer to support more channels is speculation, but fairly well reasoned speculation IMHO.

This would give the Qu-16 the ability to do 24 channels at a minimum with just the AR2412 (since none of the documentation specifically states that you can use the dSnake external channels together with the built in ones).  I am still betting that it will handle 32 using 2 banks of 16 (including the custom layer).

As you say, we will know soon enough.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Tommy Peel on August 24, 2013, 01:18:28 am
You will now join Scott and Jason in "The Bin" for "me-tooism" to his meaningless speculation.

Don't know if you'll see this... But I had no intention of offending you, I've always appreciated your excellent advise.


Anyway have a great weekend,

Tommy


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Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Gareth Marsh on August 24, 2013, 03:00:57 am
Scott,  to the best of my knowledge, the QU-16 will work with an AR2412, or the AR84 when the feature is turned on in a firmware update.  MAP on the AR2412 is $2199, MAP on the AR84 is $1099.

I had really hoped that you would be able to link up a QU-16 into a system with one of the other A&H consoles to use as a basic monitor or record mixer, etc. Looks as though this wont be possible though as I don't think D-Snake will do that, and there is no card slot.

Once they have added in the D-Snake functionality though, I expect this console to gain a lot of traction. As I already have an AR2412 and 2 AR84s it seems a logical option to add a few of these consoles to the ranks.

Gareth
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on August 24, 2013, 04:49:18 am
I got my Qu-16 2 weeks ago, and I'm looking forward to use it in our next gig. I'm in a small, 3 person wedding band and we mix from stage. Can't wait to do our first virtual sound check using the Qu drive!

Nice idea about the physically routed mix / subgroup. Make sure that the return channels aren't assigned to the wrong output mix to prevent a feedback loop :-)

Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting the scene filters / global safes. At this moment, all parameters are saved in a scene (including master volume). Great for some initial scenes, but I wouldn't want to recall such scene during a song, and have the master volume changed unintentionally.
When it becomes possible I'm planning to create several "partial scenes". One with all pre-amp settings, one with the master mix and all in ear mixes of the band members and finally some partial scenes containing several different FX settings.

In my band there's a guitarist / lead singer, a female singer, and I play the keyboards (a Tyros 3). We use midi files and several Tyros 3 styles and we play / sing along.
Now the ultimate goal is to trigger the right scene from these midi files automatically (ie. when there's a guitar solo at measure 30 --> recall partial scene "guitar solo", with adjusted main mix).
I intend to use the Ethernet port on the Qu-16 for this (MIDI over Ethernet). Tyros 3 is connected over USB to a laptop which in turn is connected to the Qu 16 over Ethernet. I'm a software engineer, so I'm able to create a small tool which will relay these Midi messages correctly.


One thing I miss on the Qu-16 is the mute FX foot switch which is present on the MixWizard3 16:2 (which we used until now).

However: I managed to create a simple Android app which connects to the Qu-16 over Ethernet. The app has 2 large buttons, FX on / FX off.
I used the GLD 80 TCP/IP specifications http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?filename=DocumentMaster/GLD/GLD%20TCPIP%20Protocol%20V1.1_1.pdf (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?filename=DocumentMaster/GLD/GLD%20TCPIP%20Protocol%20V1.1_1.pdf) to determine which codes need to be sent over Ethernet. And to my surprise, these codes work on the Qu-16 as well! I managed to mute FX return channels 1 to 4 using my own app.
So in between songs, the lead singer can control the FX like he used to do with the foot switch, but now with his phone.

I'm also curious about the Qu-pad app. I already own an Android tablet, so no luck there. What to do... buy an I-pad just for remote mixing?
It's tempting for me to do some reverse engineering and try to build an Android mixing app myself (since muting the FX was so easy to do, right away).
Anyway, time is money... I'll have to think about how much spare time I'm willing to spend creating such an app.....

One final question: does anyone know if USB audio streaming for Windows PC's will be supported eventually, or will this remain a Macintosh specific feature forever?

All in all I'm very enthusiastic about the Qu-16, and I'm looking forward to use it to it's fullest potential!

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on August 24, 2013, 11:10:38 am
I got my Qu-16 2 weeks ago, and I'm looking forward to use it in our next gig. I'm in a small, 3 person wedding band and we mix from stage. Can't wait to do our first virtual sound check using the Qu drive!

Nice idea about the physically routed mix / subgroup. Make sure that the return channels aren't assigned to the wrong output mix to prevent a feedback loop :-)

Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting the scene filters / global safes. At this moment, all parameters are saved in a scene (including master volume). Great for some initial scenes, but I wouldn't want to recall such scene during a song, and have the master volume changed unintentionally.
When it becomes possible I'm planning to create several "partial scenes". One with all pre-amp settings, one with the master mix and all in ear mixes of the band members and finally some partial scenes containing several different FX settings.

In my band there's a guitarist / lead singer, a female singer, and I play the keyboards (a Tyros 3). We use midi files and several Tyros 3 styles and we play / sing along.
Now the ultimate goal is to trigger the right scene from these midi files automatically (ie. when there's a guitar solo at measure 30 --> recall partial scene "guitar solo", with adjusted main mix).
I intend to use the Ethernet port on the Qu-16 for this (MIDI over Ethernet). Tyros 3 is connected over USB to a laptop which in turn is connected to the Qu 16 over Ethernet. I'm a software engineer, so I'm able to create a small tool which will relay these Midi messages correctly.


One thing I miss on the Qu-16 is the mute FX foot switch which is present on the MixWizard3 16:2 (which we used until now).

However: I managed to create a simple Android app which connects to the Qu-16 over Ethernet. The app has 2 large buttons, FX on / FX off.
I used the GLD 80 TCP/IP specifications http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?filename=DocumentMaster/GLD/GLD%20TCPIP%20Protocol%20V1.1_1.pdf (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?filename=DocumentMaster/GLD/GLD%20TCPIP%20Protocol%20V1.1_1.pdf) to determine which codes need to be sent over Ethernet. And to my surprise, these codes work on the Qu-16 as well! I managed to mute FX return channels 1 to 4 using my own app.
So in between songs, the lead singer can control the FX like he used to do with the foot switch, but now with his phone.

I'm also curious about the Qu-pad app. I already own an Android tablet, so no luck there. What to do... buy an I-pad just for remote mixing?
It's tempting for me to do some reverse engineering and try to build an Android mixing app myself (since muting the FX was so easy to do, right away).
Anyway, time is money... I'll have to think about how much spare time I'm willing to spend creating such an app.....

One final question: does anyone know if USB audio streaming for Windows PC's will be supported eventually, or will this remain a Macintosh specific feature forever?

All in all I'm very enthusiastic about the Qu-16, and I'm looking forward to use it to it's fullest potential!

- George
George,

Wow.  That is quite a show workflow you have going there.  Impressive!

Have you had the chance to time the scene changes?  I had never thought of doing scene changes WITHIN a song, but rather only from song to song.  I was concerned with how long the change would take and that there may be a moment of being "in the middle of the road" for a short period of time.

I was also unaware that the Qu-16 suppored MIDI commands over Ethernet!  One of the reasons I had eliminated the Qu-16 from my list was that it didn't have a MIDI port.  I intended to use a MIDI foot pedal to do scene changes with.

I too mix from stage and intended to monitor levels with an iPad on a microphone stand, and use the MIDI foot switch to do my scene changes with between songs.  I am pretty sure I could also change the patch on the drummers vDrums using the FCB1010, but if not, I could use a MIDI to ethernet box to do this with on the Qu-16.

Thanks for your post!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Corey Scogin on August 24, 2013, 11:22:42 am
On the MixWiz, it was easy to run an aux fed sub.  What's the best way to route an aux fed sub on the Qu-16?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on August 24, 2013, 11:48:12 am
On the MixWiz, it was easy to run an aux fed sub.  What's the best way to route an aux fed sub on the Qu-16?

I've been thinking about this as well...

My approach: I would use one of the mono mixes (say... mono mix 1) for this. Assign all needed input channels to this mix (post fader) and put the input channel faders on this mix to unity gain.

As soon as the custom layer is available in an upcoming firmware release, then you could assign the right most fader (fader 16) to mix 1 output level. Then the master LR fader is right next to your sub fader.

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on August 24, 2013, 11:53:39 am
George,

Wow.  That is quite a show workflow you have going there.  Impressive!

Have you had the chance to time the scene changes?  I had never thought of doing scene changes WITHIN a song, but rather only from song to song.  I was concerned with how long the change would take and that there may be a moment of being "in the middle of the road" for a short period of time.

I was also unaware that the Qu-16 suppored MIDI commands over Ethernet!  One of the reasons I had eliminated the Qu-16 from my list was that it didn't have a MIDI port.  I intended to use a MIDI foot pedal to do scene changes with.

I too mix from stage and intended to monitor levels with an iPad on a microphone stand, and use the MIDI foot switch to do my scene changes with between songs.  I am pretty sure I could also change the patch on the drummers vDrums using the FCB1010, but if not, I could use a MIDI to ethernet box to do this with on the Qu-16.

Thanks for your post!

I haven't been able to recall a scene over ethernet yet. But manually recalling seems instantly. Audio levels (most important) are nearly instantanious, "physical" fader levels follow a tiny bit later.

As for the whole workflow: for now it's only in my head. I still have to work out a lot of pieces of the puzzle. I hope A&H soon releases the Qu-16 TCP/IP specs and release their Qu-pad app. I was able to "guess" the right code for muting a channel, but not for other codes (like fader levels).

We'll just have to wait for now.

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jeff Carter on August 24, 2013, 12:38:56 pm
How similar is the workflow to the GLD?

I'm in a church with a GLD in the main worship space, and I'm wondering if a Qu-16 in, say, the youth space would be useful for cross-training operators.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 24, 2013, 06:49:48 pm
How similar is the workflow to the GLD?

I'm in a church with a GLD in the main worship space, and I'm wondering if a Qu-16 in, say, the youth space would be useful for cross-training operators.

Jeff...

This is a good question and should be answerable very soon.  As the full feature set becomes available, any comparison will become more apt.  As of now, it's still a basic "starter" config.

But it would seem that the iLive "family" of consoles shares an operational topology, so the similarities will be there.  And since it's a "family" of consoles with common engineering, the "likes" and the "different froms" will likely have a logical A&H consistency.

Sort of like "Yamahas behave like Yamahas" and "Soundcrafts behave like Soundcrafts" I expect.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on August 27, 2013, 12:22:19 pm
The only way I can see that you could get the Qu gates to be at all frequency reactive would be if the PEQ was ahead of the gate in the processing chain... and it isn't.

As you know, even that wouldn't get you where you want to be. Placing the EQ ahead of the gate would allow you to Key at a specific frequency but it would also affect the overall sound of the drum. I think they have enough processing power to add it later.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on August 28, 2013, 04:26:09 am
So... monday and yesterday, we had two practice sessions with the band, using our new Qu-16.

On monday evening we used headphones only. We set up all pre amps, did some initial EQ-ing and set up the in-ear mix for all three of us. It really was a breeze! Just select a stereo mix, adjust the faders and voila! I've never set up in ear mixes that fast, without anyone whining or complaining :-)

Then we went ahead and recorded several songs using the Qu-drive. I attached a 500Gb USB hard drive, formatted it using the Qu-16 (as advised by the manual). 500 Gb translates into +/- 8 hours of multi track recording capacity.

One issue: I haven't found a way to delete a recording on the Qu-16 itself. For the moment you'd have to delete the appropriate files / directories on a PC / Mac. Does anyone know a way?

Yesterday evening we set up our PA system (an active HK Audio Elias PX system) and played back the recordings we did on monday and used that to do a virtual sound check (as the female singer couldn't be there that evening).

We were blown away by the clear transparent sound of this mixing desk, really astonishing!
We took our time to EQ each mic and the guitar. After that we tried some effects and picked the reverb which we liked most....

Anyway... the Qu-drive is really a great feature. Every track is recorded "raw" and played back "raw" exactly the same, giving you the opportunity to fine tune all channel settings.

We now have an initial scene setting with our entire setup. I'm now very confident that this mixer will prove it's value when we first start using it the upcoming gig.
The one thing that needs to be done each gig, is to fine tune the Global EQ to correct the acoustics of that particular venue.

During the next gig I'll record some songs. Afterwards I'll hope to be able to fine tune the gate settings for each mic. I hope to find the correct threshold to cancel out any background noise that comes in.
For any band that mixes from stage, the Qu-drive is an essential tool to improve your own mix over time.

Anyway, I really like this mixer a LOT!! ....... and feeling lucky that we already received a unit that soon...

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Bob Leonard on August 28, 2013, 09:10:16 am
Congratulations George, it sounds like you've made the perfect choice for your needs, and you just described the one feature I wish my SI Expression had, recording to USB. You also described the difference between good and bad preamps/channel strips. Good luck with the board.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on August 28, 2013, 06:14:25 pm
Has anyone recalled a scene during a live show? My other board (which shall remain nameless) mutes everything while the scene is loaded. It's quite noticeable even if it's just the emcee talking. I can't imagine it's much different with the QU-16.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on August 28, 2013, 06:17:20 pm
Has anyone recalled a scene during a live show? My other board (which shall remain nameless) mutes everything while the scene is loaded. It's quite noticeable even if it's just the emcee talking. I can't imagine it's much different with the QU-16.

I don't have a QU-16 but my GLDs recall scenes perfectly, seamlessly. Recalling a complete show causes a very short cut in audio.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on August 28, 2013, 07:03:04 pm
Has anyone recalled a scene during a live show? My other board (which shall remain nameless) mutes everything while the scene is loaded. It's quite noticeable even if it's just the emcee talking. I can't imagine it's much different with the QU-16.

George addressed that in Reply #30.  He reports the scene recall to be "instant", unlike your nameless Presonus StudioLive 24. 8)
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on August 30, 2013, 10:37:39 am
I experimented a little with the scenes the other night. I saved two separate scenes and named the "Test 1" and "Test Two" The only real difference between them was the fader levels. I played some music through the Q-Drive and there was a noticeable delay when changing scenes. I don't know how it would affect the emcee mic because I haven't tried that yet.

The interesting point (and I have one) is the next morning, I restarted the board and Scene 1 was missing. There was a simply a blank space in the list where I had stored it. Just for giggles, I selected it and pressed load. The board locked up. None of the buttons, encoders or touch-screen controls responded.

Of course, I would never do anything like that during a live show (not on purpose anyway) and we are early adopters so this sort of thing is to be expected. I haven't reported it to A&H because it would be difficult to reproduce.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on August 30, 2013, 11:56:46 am
I experimented a little with the scenes the other night. I saved two separate scenes and named the "Test 1" and "Test Two" The only real difference between them was the fader levels. I played some music through the Q-Drive and there was a noticeable delay when changing scenes. I don't know how it would affect the emcee mic because I haven't tried that yet.

The interesting point (and I have one) is the next morning, I restarted the board and Scene 1 was missing. There was a simply a blank space in the list where I had stored it. Just for giggles, I selected it and pressed load. The board locked up. None of the buttons, encoders or touch-screen controls responded.

Of course, I would never do anything like that during a live show (not on purpose anyway) and we are early adopters so this sort of thing is to be expected. I haven't reported it to A&H because it would be difficult to reproduce.

Question... how long was this delay? When switching scenes myself I noticed that audio levels change almost immediately (fraction of a second).... but physical fader levels follow a bit later...

Another question... was there a noticeable silent "gap" in audio while switching scenes on your board? I didn't encounter one on my board. I'm curious if you did.

As for the missing scene.... I sure hope that A&H get the USB data feature sorted out soon, so that scenes can be backed up on external media.

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on August 30, 2013, 01:44:14 pm
I did a bit more experimenting this afternoon. This time I hooked up a mic to mimic an emcee and there was no audible loss when I loaded a scene as long as the levels were set the same on that channel.

When A&H adds scene filters, I wonder if we will be able to exclude individual channels. There's a momentary drop-out (milliseconds but still audible) when changing scenes while playing a wave file from the Q-drive but I certainly can live with that.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 01, 2013, 03:59:08 pm
I was hoping that a delay could be added to the Alt-Out so I could use it to run the delay speakers without having to carry an external delay unit. Here's what I've come up with so far. It's a bit convoluted. Feel free to shoot holes in it. I haven't tried it yet.

Patch the 2TRK Out to Stereo 1 In using short, balanced jumpers.
Assign Stereo 1 to Mix 9-10
Assign Alt-Out source to Mix 9-10
Drive the Delay Speakers off the Alt Out Jacks
Adjust the delay at the Stereo 1 Process Screen
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 01, 2013, 04:17:01 pm
I was hoping that a delay could be added to the Alt-Out so I could use it to run the delay speakers without having to carry an external delay unit. Here's what I've come up with so far. It's a bit convoluted. Feel free to shoot holes in it. I haven't tried it yet.

Patch the 2TRK Out to Stereo 1 In using short, balanced jumpers.
Assign Stereo 1 to Mix 9-10
Assign Alt-Out source to Mix 9-10
Drive the Delay Speakers off the Alt Out Jacks
Adjust the delay at the Stereo 1 Process Screen

Marty...

It should work fine.  That's essentially the same hard patch I'm using to get a single fader sub-group control on the second layer.

The "alt out" jacks are just that:  jacks. 

You have to feed them something.....as you've done.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 01, 2013, 04:42:12 pm
It worked!
With one caveat. I had to set the delay time at the Mix 9-10 Output instead of the Stereo One Input. The delay at the Stereo 1 Input didn't do anything. Maybe it hasn't been implemented yet.

This is great. You have to go to the output screen to set the EQ anyway. That's where you will set the delay.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 09, 2013, 11:26:10 am
First live use:

After being an owner for about a month, I am finally a user, having done my first live job on the Qu-16.  Three groups:

1.  5-piece mostly a capella male vocals, some guitar, bazouki and accordion on a few songs.  Five vocal mics, four instrument inputs.

2.  6-piece stringband with 2 x 6-strings, 1 x 12 string, 2 mandolins, Appalachian dulcimer and two vocal mics.

3.  Four piece bluesy ensemble, Strat, Jaguar/slide, bass and drums.  3 vocal mics.

Venue was outdoor stage for the start/finish of a large bike tour.  Fairly severe SPL limits due to the neighborhood, but good, clear sound delivered over a large parking lot approximately 100' x 200'.  Two tops, no subs.

It's one thing to set up a board for practice and familiarization, another thing entirely to be "under the gun" and remember where things are and how to get there, but even this old dog made it through with very little pain.  It was made easier by the first group doing 25 minutes of a capella material before adding any instruments, so I had it easy at the start.

It took me a bit of work to finally get the reverb going, but after a face-palm (DOH!!!) I found the proper assignment I had overlooked and the big light bulb went on regarding digital routing.  Let's call it a "Eureka" moment....

By the time the third group was on I had everything I needed and could easily flip through the "on faders" functions (GEQ, mix sends, mix returns, FX, etc).  I see why people might prefer faders to pots on this, but I'll never gripe about using pots as that's the way I learned in the first place, so no biggie.  But faders are nicer, I'll admit.

Stellar sound quality.  Compact.  Easy to use.

When the full feature set is finally implemented with updates, this will replace all my other stuff.  I anticipate breaking down and getting a pad for remote mixing/tweaking.  I'll probably have the money saved for the pad and the router by the time the features are activated.

I would love to see the addition of a downward expansion option to the gating as I've been spoiled by that feature on the StudioLive.  But I fully expect this "baby brother" in the iLive/GLD family to receive the benefit of using the 2412 stage box to add another 8 channels of input on the soon-to-be activated third "user config" layer, so it becomes a very compact 24 channel desk when utilized with the stage box.

Very pleased with this little desk.  Nice having a touch-screen.  Am patiently awaiting a cornucopia of features to be implemented/added over the next year or so.

I'm very sure I've purchased my last console, going from a MixWiz 16:2dx as my first live board and ending with a "DigiWiz".

More reports to come...
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on September 09, 2013, 02:35:57 pm
I also used the Qu-16 for the first time this weekend, in two gigs.

Friday night there was a public party in a nearby town. We played there and used the Qu-16 to mix from stage.
I guess there were about 150 people in the tent.
We arrived there early and had plenty of time to do several virtual sound checks, but no major adjustments were necessary.

Saturday night we played at a private party with about 100 guests.

The Qu-16 performed flawlessly during both events. My in-ear headphones was connected to the mixing desk, so I was able to switch between my own in ear mix, and (occasionally) the main mix using the PFL function.

By now I also have a working Android app. The lead singer / guitar player uses it on his phone to mute the FX while doing announcements in between (and even during!) songs. It worked like a charm!

(look at the Qu-16.... it's right there in the background  8))

(http://www.feestband.nu/uploads/images/2013/09-06%20Sinderen/2013-09-06%20Sinderen-48.jpg)
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 09, 2013, 02:40:44 pm
I also used the Qu-16 for the first time this weekend, in two gigs.

Friday night there was a public party in a nearby town. We played there and used the Qu-16 to mix from stage.
I guess there were about 150 people in the tent.
We arrived there early and had plenty of time to do several virtual sound checks, but no major adjustments were necessary.

Saturday night we played at a private party with about 100 guests.

The Qu-16 performed flawlessly during both events. My in-ear headphones was connected to the mixing desk, so I was able to switch between my own in ear mix, and (occasionally) the main mix using the PFL function.

By now I also have a working Android app. The lead singer / guitar player uses it on his phone to mute the FX while doing announcements in between (and even during!) songs. It worked like a charm!

(look at the Qu-16.... it's right there in the background  8))

(http://www.feestband.nu/uploads/images/2013/09-06%20Sinderen/2013-09-06%20Sinderen-48.jpg)

George...

So glad to hear your results.  Looking forward to your obvious additions to the Qu-16 user-set.  I have finally seen the advantages of remote access and would prefer to not have to buy into the iCorp if another device is available.

Keep it coming.

Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Richard Penrose on September 09, 2013, 06:55:57 pm

By now I also have a working Android app. The lead singer / guitar player uses it on his phone to mute the FX while doing announcements in between (and even during!) songs. It worked like a charm!


Hi George,

Could you share any more info on your Android APP and it's features?
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: Russ Davis on September 09, 2013, 10:29:23 pm
I have finally seen the advantages of remote access and would prefer to not have to buy into the iCorp if another device is available.

Concur.  I was mocked elsewhere in this forum for holding out for an Android app, but for ethical reasons I won't knowingly buy anything from that fruit-named entity nor by Hon Hai/Foxconn (the corporation that actually assembles the things).  I don't need remote access enough to compromise.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: George Wieggers on September 10, 2013, 01:19:10 am
The App has 2 large buttons.

A green "FX On" button and a red "FX Off" button. They control the mute setting of FX returns 1 to 4.

And above these buttons, there's a simple text-box to type in a simple comment.
The lead singer requested this text box, so that he can type in the name of the bride and groom :-)

Then there's a settings page, where you can enter the IP address of the Qu-16.
Connect the Qu-16 to your network, set it's DHCP setting to on, and go to the diagnostics page, to see it's actual IP address.
Make sure that your phone is connected to the same network using Wifi.

That's all for now.

The app isn't available in google play. But if anyone is interested, then I can put up a URL to the .apk file so that you can download and install it for yourself....

www.feestband.nu/qu_16_app (http://www.feestband.nu/qu_16_app)

Disclaimer: use at your own risk. I cannot guarantee anything, even if the app will continue to work with future firmware versions, because A&H didn't release any official specifications yet.

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: George Wieggers on September 14, 2013, 09:48:09 pm
I uploaded a new version of the app. The previous version had a permission problem which caused it to display an error "access denied" when trying to use the buttons.

It should work properly now. Happy testing  8)

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 16, 2013, 01:15:17 pm
Keep up the good work, George.

Here's my report after two weekends of festival work:

Qu-16 passing all tests with flying colors.  I had hedged my bets for an outdoor church service by putting the SLive 24 in the van, but decided to just go with the Qu-16 instead after four days of working with it.  It gave me the control I needed, the EQ required and so filled the bill.  But I still miss my downward expansion....

Many, many compliments on the clarity of the sound.  That clarity has exposed some of the mics as less than adequate, but fortunately for me I have many choices and have started switching to some others.  SM58's still work (on average), but my 767's will be seeing a lot more use now for voice.  Guitar amps still get E906's, bass gets a BSS 133 DI and I'm finally moving up to more than 3-4 mics on drum kits.  The "claw" mounts for the D2's are so quick to get on/off that the logisitics are much less of a problem.  So I now have individual tom mics.  Most drummers are satisfied with a single OH, as am I.  So 7 mics on a kit is not too much of a deal.

But the bottom line is the positive feedback from the crowds.  These are events I've worked for long enough to be "known", and the increase over the usual "nice job" comments to "wow---great sound" is definitely noticed and appreciated.

Happy camper here.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: Kev Jones on September 16, 2013, 02:00:19 pm
Glad to hear the QU-16 is going well for you, Dick.
As someone that is waiting on the side lines, trying to decide which mixer to buy... it's really useful for me to be able to read an experienced user's views on a piece of kit. Thanks for the info. 

Also interesting to read about your experiences with 767s.  I assume these are the EV mics?!?!  If so... they're my main vocal mic... so if they work well with the QU, that's a bonus.

I'm just a weekend warrior that tries to do the sound for my band (with the mixer at my side on stage... while I'm trying to play guitar.)  I'm getting closer to deciding on the QU-16.  Have considered the Line 6 m20d (purely as it seems to have 'idiot proof' ease of use... and I'm an idiot!).  However, as I use an A&H GL2400 at the moment... and I've had no negative experiences with my analogue A&H... and I like having physical faders...  I'm heavily leaning towards the QU.  The m20d may have more presets etc. but it looks like the QU-16 is fairly easy (and flexible) to use - even for a harassed guitarist that only has the time it takes to sustain a note in order to make some fader / knob adjustments.  Is that a fair assumption regarding the QU-16's ease of use?

Would it be a derail if I asked a question about recording with the QU?  If so... I'll post in another thread.  If not...here goes. 
I'd like to record multi-track on every gig.  The QU drive feature looks great - and I like the idea of recording onto hard disk (as opposed to SD cards).  For many small gigs, we don't need to mic up the drums and put them through the PA... so I was wondering if I can mic the drums up - but mute them (so they don't go through the FOH speakers and don't go through the monitors) but then still record the drums via the QU drive.  From what I've read in the QU-16 manual, it seems I may be able to do this - but I thought I'd ask... just in case I'm missing something.

Many thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 16, 2013, 02:15:53 pm

?

Would it be a derail if I asked a question about recording with the QU?  If so... I'll post in another thread.  If not...here goes. 
I'd like to record multi-track on every gig.  The QU drive feature looks great - and I like the idea of recording onto hard disk (as opposed to SD cards).  For many small gigs, we don't need to mic up the drums and put them through the PA... so I was wondering if I can mic the drums up - but mute them (so they don't go through the FOH speakers and don't go through the monitors) but then still record the drums via the QU drive.  From what I've read in the QU-16 manual, it seems I may be able to do this - but I thought I'd ask... just in case I'm missing something.

Many thanks for your help.

Yes, you should be able to do separate assignments for mains output and Q-drive feed.

As to live from stage mixing, I'd still recommend a StudioLive for several reasons:

1.  Larger, more comprehensive "meter bridge" display, easily switchable with a single button push between input/output/GR, etc.

2.  All controls on one level, no layer switching.  That said, sends on faders is nice and that means Flying faders and control layers.

3.  Tunable gates on the SLive, not yet on the Qu-16.  And the downward expanders are a thing of joy.  As I said, that's the biggest thing I miss in leaving the SLive.

4.  The scrolling SMAART display on the SLive is very, very cool for setting PEQ filters quickly.  But that means running a Mac on stage alongside the mixer.  If you're recording to the Mac, though, it's already there.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: Kev Jones on September 16, 2013, 07:50:37 pm
Thanks for the input, Dick.  Hadn't really considered the SL.  Took a very quick look at one a few months ago - and wasn't sure about the faders / quality (I was looking at the smallest SL).  I'll investigate.

What are downward expanders?

Re. use of Macs.  No plans to buy a Mac.  LIke the idea of recording directly onto an external disc.

Thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 16, 2013, 08:00:45 pm
Thanks for the input, Dick.  Hadn't really considered the SL.  Took a very quick look at one a few months ago - and wasn't sure about the faders / quality (I was looking at the smallest SL).  I'll investigate.

What are downward expanders?

Re. use of Macs.  No plans to buy a Mac.  LIke the idea of recording directly onto an external disc.

Thanks again for your help.

Downward expanders are like soft gates.  They "reduce the gain" on open mics when no direct signal is present, but open fully when the intended input occurs.  They open and close dynamically instead of being on/off like gates.  As such, they work at a basically inaudible level to help keep the open ambient sound bleed into your mix to a minimum.

Just helps keep things clean.  Handy.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: Kev Jones on September 16, 2013, 08:13:28 pm
Thanks for the explanation.  Hadn't come across downward expanders before.  Yes... they sound like a useful feature.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: Scott Wagner on September 16, 2013, 09:29:32 pm
Thanks for the explanation.  Hadn't come across downward expanders before.  Yes... they sound like a useful feature.
Let's not forget that the StudioLive isn't the only digital console with downward expanders.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 16, 2013, 09:36:21 pm
Let's not forget that the StudioLive isn't the only digital console with downward expanders.

Let's not forget that the mention of the downward expansion was part of an entire set of features cited as reasons why the SLive makes a great "on-stage" mixer.  Great feature set for the stated use and perhaps the best price going for that particular usage.

Care to mention the others???
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: Scott Wagner on September 16, 2013, 10:39:01 pm
Let's not forget that the mention of the downward expansion was part of an entire set of features cited as reasons why the SLive makes a great "on-stage" mixer.  Great feature set for the stated use and perhaps the best price going for that particular usage.

Care to mention the others???
I'm not disagreeing with your recommendation; quite the contrary.  I think it's an excellent choice for an on-stage mixer.

I'm not well versed in low-end digital, but I do know that the X32 has downward expanders, as well (just set the channel comp to EXP).  I use them often.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Bob Leonard on September 16, 2013, 11:45:30 pm
Dick,
How are you doing with the QU-16? Any regrets?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jay Barracato on September 17, 2013, 08:29:53 am
Dick,
How are you doing with the QU-16? Any regrets?

Shared a NOT happy thought, better left alone.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 17, 2013, 08:51:31 am
Dick,
How are you doing with the QU-16? Any regrets?

Only one:

I regret that I haven't had the use of this console for the last 20 years.

I'm a happy camper and anticipate more joy with the feature updates.  Hope you're getting on as well with your choice of the Soundcraft.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: gary makovsky on September 17, 2013, 10:44:44 am
Only one:

I regret that I haven't had the use of this console for the last 20 years.

I'm a happy camper and anticipate more joy with the feature updates.  Hope you're getting on as well with your choice of the Soundcraft.

Completly agree, I wish I had the QU-16 years ago. Very straight forward work flow. FX sound awesome. With only 3 weeks on this console I am very comfortable navigating around. My guys stated an improvement with stereo in-ears with slight paning. some of the LEDs are hard to see in direct sunlight and I once moved a fader while on the wrong layer. A huge step up from the SL 16.4.2. love the fader flip for graphic EQ and seeing all mixes on faders I really dig. anticipating the IPAD app which I got really comfortable with on the SL. Debating the GLD-AR2412 digi snake.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Richard Penrose on September 17, 2013, 01:20:16 pm
Completly agree, I wish I had the QU-16 years ago. Very straight forward work flow. FX sound awesome. With only 3 weeks on this console I am very comfortable navigating around. My guys stated an improvement with stereo in-ears with slight paning. some of the LEDs are hard to see in direct sunlight and I once moved a fader while on the wrong layer. A huge step up from the SL 16.4.2. love the fader flip for graphic EQ and seeing all mixes on faders I really dig. anticipating the IPAD app which I got really comfortable with on the SL. Debating the GLD-AR2412 digi snake.

What speakers are you using here?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: gary makovsky on September 17, 2013, 01:55:39 pm
What speakers are you using here?

QSC KLA12s up top 2 per side, 4 danley TH-minis center clusterd on powersoft k3s.  Compact /Clean / Loud. My favorite setup so far.

Entire rig fits in GMC Terrain.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Richard Penrose on September 17, 2013, 02:03:37 pm

I'm a happy camper and anticipate more joy with the feature updates. 

I was speaking to one of the main guys who designed this desk and he said their is a little more space in the DSP architecture to add more effects from the iLive and features. Will be very interesting to see what gets added in the future!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Bob Leonard on September 17, 2013, 05:31:01 pm
Only one:

I regret that I haven't had the use of this console for the last 20 years.

I'm a happy camper and anticipate more joy with the feature updates.  Hope you're getting on as well with your choice of the Soundcraft.

I feel the same Dick and I'm very glad I/we waited for the first round to end before jumping into this pond. I'll be having a fire sale on analog outboard gear soon and somebody just getting into sound will be a very happy camper when I do.
 
I don't see too many differences between your choice and mine, and I'll bet one of each would make for one hell of an FOH plus monitor rig. What I do wish my Soundcraft had (without having to use the option port) would be recording to USB. I'm more than fine that the feature isn't native to the board, and knew that going in as the board is sold as a live sound board.
 
I have noticed that I have a more colorful board in appearance, and I'll bet you wish your faders changed color, which is a good thing for us old guys.
 
I put some time on a QU-16 last week. You made a good choice old man. Have fun. ;)
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jerome Malsack on September 17, 2013, 06:38:05 pm
From what I have been seeing it leaves me to ask why they have not completed the software coding and provide this with the product.  Having a great computer and waiting on the software seems like they did not develope this or that there is some coding issues that were not easy.  The delay in the software coding could lead to bugs and promises broken. 

So Far I am happy to hear and see that it is working very well and getting good reviews.   I will keep watching and getting things together for my move to digital. 
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 17, 2013, 08:52:01 pm
From what I have been seeing it leaves me to ask why they have not completed the software coding and provide this with the product. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NauOTeKRGjs
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 19, 2013, 10:12:22 am
Allen & Heath has the QU-Pad App on the Apple Website. I can see it with my computer but I can't see it with my iPad (in the App Store).
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/qu-pad/id699450314 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/qu-pad/id699450314)
I got it but I had to navigate to this link with my iPad and click on the Free Button to install it.

You'll need the new firmware to use it. It is also available on the QU-16 Website
http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=Qu16&ProductId=Qu16 (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=Qu16&ProductId=Qu16)

I installed the firmware update on the mixer and the QU-Pad app on my iPad. I plugged in my Apple Airport Express Router and it all seems to be working fine!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kev Jones on September 19, 2013, 10:47:05 am
It's not just the iPad app that's available... release V1.10 of the mixer's software is available.

Go to
http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?catId=Qu16&ProductId=Qu16
and click on the software tab section... and you can download a PDF that explains the new features etc.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on September 19, 2013, 10:48:18 am
It's not just the iPad app that's available... release V1.10 of the mixer's software is available.

Go to
http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?catId=Qu16&ProductId=Qu16
and click on the software tab section... and you can download a PDF that explains the new features etc.
This firmware also enables the digital snake function, use of the ME-1 Personal Monitor boxes, custom layer functionality, and a few other things.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 19, 2013, 11:32:47 am
This firmware also enables the digital snake function, use of the ME-1 Personal Monitor boxes, custom layer functionality, and a few other things.

YEE-HAW!!!!!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on September 19, 2013, 01:36:57 pm
WHOOOHOOO!!

Can't wait to try the new features. However, I think I'll wait till after tomorrow-night's gig.

I assume that the upgrade process will go smooth, but you never know  :)

It's all there: custom layer, scene & global safes, usb data backup, yeah!!!!!!

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kim Guibord on September 19, 2013, 04:53:26 pm
Scott,  to the best of my knowledge, the QU-16 will work with an AR2412, or the AR84 when the feature is turned on in a firmware update.  MAP on the AR2412 is $2199, MAP on the AR84 is $1099.
It will probably work, But will not make this a 24 channel board, in the latest firmware documentation it states that this will "NOT" make this a 24 channel board, I thought that it would, I was at the store for 2 hours just trying for this board to update the firmware, even with 2 different "formatted" sticks it would not recognize and thus would not upgrade the firmware.. Just a bit disappointed.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 19, 2013, 05:32:58 pm
It will probably work, But will not make this a 24 channel board, in the latest firmware documentation it states that this will "NOT" make this a 24 channel board, I thought that it would, I was at the store for 2 hours just trying for this board to update the firmware, even with 2 different "formatted" sticks it would not recognize and thus would not upgrade the firmware.. Just a bit disappointed.

Go to the Qu-16 page on the A&H website and look for the trail that'll take you to the "recommended USB media" info.  There are perhaps 10 sticks that will work. 

Other than that, the 2412 will give you 19 mono channels, or 16 mono and 3 stereo.  That's still more than 16.  I, too, would love for it to expand to the full 24, but I got this as a 16 channel desk and at that it is brilliant.  I have other desks for 24 or 32 channels.  I just really wanted a small, comprehensive desk for the bulk of my work.

If you want more, get a GLD.

Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: mike mullin on September 19, 2013, 05:42:10 pm
What you said Dick .
+1

Cheers,
Mike Mullin

Go to the Qu-16 page on the A&H website and look for the trail that'll take you to the "recommended USB media" info.  There are perhaps 10 sticks that will work. 

Other than that, the 2412 will give you 19 mono channels, or 16 mono and 3 stereo.  That's still more than 16.  I, too, would love for it to expand to the full 24, but I got this as a 16 channel desk and at that it is brilliant.  I have other desks for 24 or 32 channels.  I just really wanted a small, comprehensive desk for the bulk of my work.

If you want more, get a GLD.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kim Guibord on September 19, 2013, 07:28:27 pm
Go to the Qu-16 page on the A&H website and look for the trail that'll take you to the "recommended USB media" info.  There are perhaps 10 sticks that will work. 

Other than that, the 2412 will give you 19 mono channels, or 16 mono and 3 stereo.  That's still more than 16.  I, too, would love for it to expand to the full 24, but I got this as a 16 channel desk and at that it is brilliant.  I have other desks for 24 or 32 channels.  I just really wanted a small, comprehensive desk for the bulk of my work.

If you want more, get a GLD.
I already own an Ilive t112/idr32 mixing system, just some wishful thinking..look's like expression here I come...and I will put myself in the icky Bin.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 19, 2013, 07:36:13 pm
I already own an Ilive t112/idr32 mixing system, just some wishful thinking..look's like expression here I come...and I will put myself in the icky Bin.

Don't blame the equipment.  It took me a minute to print out the USB stick recommendations, a minute to format the stick, a minute to download the update and 5 minutes to update the console.  I'm a Luddite and have no experience with iLive, GLD or anything else.  If I can do it, anyone should be able to.  You must not have been following instructions.

And it's Iggy....not icky.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kim Guibord on September 19, 2013, 07:48:11 pm
Don't blame the equipment.  It took me a minute to print out the USB stick recommendations, a minute to format the stick, a minute to download the update and 5 minutes to update the console.  I'm a Luddite and have no experience with iLive, GLD or anything else.  If I can do it, anyone should be able to.  You must not have been following instructions.

And it's Iggy....not icky.
Take a chill pill dude
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Brian Jones on September 19, 2013, 08:22:58 pm
Go to the Qu-16 page on the A&H website and look for the trail that'll take you to the "recommended USB media" info.  There are perhaps 10 sticks that will work. 



Link to pdf at bottom of this page... http://allen-heath.helpserve.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/774/201/qu-drive--understanding-qu-drive-and-usb
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Mike Ottinger on September 19, 2013, 08:34:37 pm
Link to pdf at bottom of this page... http://allen-heath.helpserve.com/Knowledgebase/Article/View/774/201/qu-drive--understanding-qu-drive-and-usb
I could not get my QU-16 to recognise any of my usb drives.  I powered down the mixer inserted the usb drive then turned the power on.  It then read the drive and allowed me to format it, copy software to it and update the console.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 19, 2013, 08:59:14 pm
I could not get my QU-16 to recognise any of my usb drives.  I powered down the mixer inserted the usb drive then turned the power on.  It then read the drive and allowed me to format it, copy software to it and update the console.

I pulled the drive and re-inserted it with the board powered up and it worked.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 19, 2013, 09:00:20 pm
Take a chill pill dude

I don't do drugs.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 20, 2013, 01:11:22 am
I used my QU-16 and the QU-Pad App for the first time tonight It could not have gone better. It's a great board. I played walk-in music from a USB Stick and recorded the entire show to a USB Hard-drive. The recording is flawless. Set and forget!

I haven't quite figured out how to set up the custom layer on the mixer. I assigned some channels but I couldn't figure out how to unassign them. The instructions are rather vague.

On the QU-Pad app, there are two custom layers that are simple to use. That was very handy!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Derek D Sanchez on September 20, 2013, 03:40:46 am
would the app work with the ipad mini? I cant tell on the allen and heath website if they showing a mini or full size ipad in the pictures, looks like a mini but cant really tell. I am buying this board, i already have the mixwizard and use it alot. Thanks Derek
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on September 20, 2013, 03:49:38 am
would the app work with the ipad mini? I cant tell on the allen and heath website if they showing a mini or full size ipad in the pictures, looks like a mini but cant really tell. I am buying this board, i already have the mixwizard and use it alot. Thanks Derek

According to Apple, anything that is made for an Ipad, will work on the Ipad mini. http://www.apple.com/ipad-mini/from-the-app-store/

Do you already own an Ipad, or are you planning to buy one?

I think I would rather spend a bit more and buy an Ipad 2 (or an Ipad Retina if you can afford it) with a larger screen if you intend to do a lot of remote mixing.
... just my 2 cents  :)

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Derek D Sanchez on September 20, 2013, 04:05:29 am
I am going to buy one either a ipad mini or ipad two, my daughter has the mini and i really that its more portable and lighter than the full size one once you put a heavy duty case on it. I am going to download the app on her mini to see how it looks if i can pry it out of her hands. Thanks Derek
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 20, 2013, 08:39:18 am

I haven't quite figured out how to set up the custom layer on the mixer. I assigned some channels but I couldn't figure out how to unassign them. The instructions are rather vague.

!

The available "assignments" include an "x", signifying "no assignment".  You return to this unassigned condition by rotating the touch screen control knob fully counter-clockwise.
The "x" is the first selection, followed by channels 1-16 from the top fader layer or ST1-Mix 9/10 from the second layer.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Loujudson on September 20, 2013, 11:44:59 am
I used my QU-16 and the QU-Pad App for the first time tonight It could not have gone better. It's a great board. I played walk-in music from a USB Stick and recorded the entire show to a USB Hard-drive. The recording is flawless. Set and forget!

Great news, Marty! I've had mine for three days, been just getting to know it in the studio while waiting for the update, here it is now, V1.10.

As for playback - I have an HDD that works but cannot get it to play yet.  Loading 16 track sfrom a recent gig, I followed the naming protocol (when I finally found it in the knowledgebase section) and the board recognized the drive and the files, but when I press play it lights up and instantly stops. Am I missing something?

And, do we have to name anything we want to play with the TRK01 and TRK02 (or 17, 18)? If so, I'll just use my ipod, thanksverymuch.

Climbing up the learning curve and having fun along the way,
Lou
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 20, 2013, 12:14:27 pm
As for playback ...

The multi-track playback was not implemented in the first two firmware releases. I think it said something about that in the release notes (or a bug list somewhere) It seems to be fine now.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 20, 2013, 12:27:38 pm
Just for fun I enabled AirPlay (plugged into the QU-16) on my Airport Express Router and ran a 1/8 inch stereo cable from it into the ST3 input on the top of the mixer. I was able to run the QU-Pad App and iTunes on my iPad and stream music wirelessly. That'll come in handy for walk-in or break music.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: mike mullin on September 20, 2013, 03:27:17 pm
I just got Airplay and Qu-pad to work on my system. What is not to like ?

cheers,
Mike


Just for fun I enabled AirPlay (plugged into the QU-16) on my Airport Express Router and ran a 1/8 inch stereo cable from it into the ST3 input on the top of the mixer. I was able to run the QU-Pad App and iTunes on my iPad and stream music wirelessly. That'll come in handy for walk-in or break music.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Samuel Rees on September 20, 2013, 09:56:21 pm

I just got Airplay and Qu-pad to work on my system. What is not to like ?

cheers,
Mike

That's awesome!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 21, 2013, 02:59:39 pm
Could anyone with live recording experience recommend a software that I can use with my QU-16 to record live shows? It must record the stereo output that I can quickly burn to a CD between sets. I have a MacBook Pro 2.3 GHz, Intel Core i5 with OS X 10.8.4.

I know I can record direct to disk but I would need to continually unplug the drive from the mixer and plug it back in. Anyone who has done that knows that it takes a while for the board to read the disk and get ready to record again.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Tommy Peel on September 21, 2013, 03:55:32 pm
Could anyone with live recording experience recommend a software that I can use with my QU-16 to record live shows? It must record the stereo output that I can quickly burn to a CD between sets. I have a MacBook Pro 2.3 GHz, Intel Core i5 with OS X 10.8.4.

I know I can record direct to disk but I would need to continually unplug the drive from the mixer and plug it back in. Anyone who has done that knows that it takes a while for the board to read the disk and get ready to record again.

GarageBand can do that fairly easily; I'm fairly sure there's an export to CD of option. I don't recommend GB for multitrack recordings but its fine for stereo tracks. Also you could apply whatever plugins were appropriate for the recording while exporting. The only issue might be exporting the individual songs as separate tracks; I can't remember if that's easy to do or not. I'll look let you know when I get a chance.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 4

Edit: Just checked GB and it doesn't appear to have an easy way to split and export the recorded set to a CD(or .wav/.mp3 files). In Audacity you can record the stereo mix and push a button(command+. by default) to create labels on the fly for each track. The project can be exported as multiple .wav(or whatever format is best) files and imported into iTunes(or another CD burning app) to make the CD.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 23, 2013, 10:44:03 am
I got my Qu-16 2 weeks ago, and I'm looking forward to use it in our next gig. I'm in a small, 3 person wedding band and we mix from stage. Can't wait to do our first virtual sound check using the Qu drive!

Nice idea about the physically routed mix / subgroup. Make sure that the return channels aren't assigned to the wrong output mix to prevent a feedback loop :-)

Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting the scene filters / global safes. At this moment, all parameters are saved in a scene (including master volume). Great for some initial scenes, but I wouldn't want to recall such scene during a song, and have the master volume changed unintentionally.
When it becomes possible I'm planning to create several "partial scenes". One with all pre-amp settings, one with the master mix and all in ear mixes of the band members and finally some partial scenes containing several different FX settings.

In my band there's a guitarist / lead singer, a female singer, and I play the keyboards (a Tyros 3). We use midi files and several Tyros 3 styles and we play / sing along.
Now the ultimate goal is to trigger the right scene from these midi files automatically (ie. when there's a guitar solo at measure 30 --> recall partial scene "guitar solo", with adjusted main mix).
I intend to use the Ethernet port on the Qu-16 for this (MIDI over Ethernet). Tyros 3 is connected over USB to a laptop which in turn is connected to the Qu 16 over Ethernet. I'm a software engineer, so I'm able to create a small tool which will relay these Midi messages correctly.


One thing I miss on the Qu-16 is the mute FX foot switch which is present on the MixWizard3 16:2 (which we used until now).

However: I managed to create a simple Android app which connects to the Qu-16 over Ethernet. The app has 2 large buttons, FX on / FX off.
I used the GLD 80 TCP/IP specifications http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?filename=DocumentMaster/GLD/GLD%20TCPIP%20Protocol%20V1.1_1.pdf (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?filename=DocumentMaster/GLD/GLD%20TCPIP%20Protocol%20V1.1_1.pdf) to determine which codes need to be sent over Ethernet. And to my surprise, these codes work on the Qu-16 as well! I managed to mute FX return channels 1 to 4 using my own app.
So in between songs, the lead singer can control the FX like he used to do with the foot switch, but now with his phone.

I'm also curious about the Qu-pad app. I already own an Android tablet, so no luck there. What to do... buy an I-pad just for remote mixing?
It's tempting for me to do some reverse engineering and try to build an Android mixing app myself (since muting the FX was so easy to do, right away).
Anyway, time is money... I'll have to think about how much spare time I'm willing to spend creating such an app.....

One final question: does anyone know if USB audio streaming for Windows PC's will be supported eventually, or will this remain a Macintosh specific feature forever?

All in all I'm very enthusiastic about the Qu-16, and I'm looking forward to use it to it's fullest potential!

- George

Hi George ,
Just wondering if you have been successful in doing scene changes via midi? i very much need to change scenes via midi foot pedal and/or via mainstage. Also FX muting is badly needed. I have the new Qu-Pad app but sadly scene changes and easy FX muting are not possible with it. Seems to be a major oversight!!
thanks
Don
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on September 23, 2013, 01:16:03 pm
Hi George ,
Just wondering if you have been successful in doing scene changes via midi? i very much need to change scenes via midi foot pedal and/or via mainstage. Also FX muting is badly needed. I have the new Qu-Pad app but sadly scene changes and easy FX muting are not possible with it. Seems to be a major oversight!!
thanks
Don

No, because I don't know the exact midi (over ethernet) commands to accomplish this (yet). A&H has to release the official TCP/IP specs for the Qu-16. As soon as these are available, then I can begin to try it.

This evening I'm planning to update my desk to the latest firmware and try the Qu-pad app using a borrowed Ipad.
I might use this tool (http://www.canpub.com/teammpg/de/proxyde1/) in order to intercept and forward all TCP/IP traffic between the Ipad and the mixing desk, to figure out what data is sent back and forth.

So maybe.... maybe its possible to do some reverse engineering and find out the exact protocol.

But as you pointed out, the Qu-pad app doesn't support scene recall, so I won't be able to do so either.

I do wonder if my custom Android FX muting app still works after the firmware update. I'll have to test that as well....

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Tim McCulloch on September 23, 2013, 01:24:01 pm
No, because I don't know the exact midi (over ethernet) commands to accomplish this (yet). A&H has to release the official TCP/IP specs for the Qu-16. As soon as these are available, then I can begin to try it.

- George

Do not reply to posts by users who violate the "Real Name Required" forum rule.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Doug Fowler on September 23, 2013, 01:42:53 pm
Hi George ,
Just wondering if you have been successful in doing scene changes via midi? i very much need to change scenes via midi foot pedal and/or via mainstage. Also FX muting is badly needed. I have the new Qu-Pad app but sadly scene changes and easy FX muting are not possible with it. Seems to be a major oversight!!
thanks
Don

Read the rules, fix your display name.

Thank you for your cooperation.

George -

Please DO NO reply to posts in violation of the name policy.  Thanks....
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 23, 2013, 06:36:13 pm
Read the rules, fix your display name.

Thank you for your cooperation.

George -

Please DO NO reply to posts in violation of the name policy.  Thanks....
Sorry for this oversight. hopefully it is fixed now.
Best
Don
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on September 24, 2013, 02:55:34 am
About the FX.... I'm trying to figure out what the ideal workflow would be in my situation.

Since I mix from stage, I'd like to be able to quickly adjust the FX while playing.

So I was thinking about the following strategy.
The reason I went for mix -> return mode, is that I don't need mono mixes 1 and 2, so why not use them for the FX....
And this way I can easily check the FX inputs by switching to the right mix and view the fader levels.

In my opinion, the "insert mode" is quite cumbersome to set up. Not only do you have to assign the right input channel to the effect, but you also have to go to the processing screen for that input channel and activate the insert over there...... a lot of screen switching..

And I think that I can emulate an "insert" effect the following way: if I need a complete "wet" effect signal, without the "dry" input signal, it would be possible to assign the input channel in "Pre fader" mode in the FX input mix and mute that channel on the main L/R mix.

I'm curious: what do you think about this workflow? And how do you manage your FX while mixing?

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kev Jones on September 24, 2013, 03:19:55 pm
New A&H video about Qu Pad now on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95RIdRPi9hE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFcss4ld83THeNJd1AG1mhg
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 25, 2013, 05:47:50 am
New A&H video about Qu Pad now on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95RIdRPi9hE&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFcss4ld83THeNJd1AG1mhg

Seriously bummed this does not have scene selection or quick muting of FX. But not bad otherwise.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: gary makovsky on September 25, 2013, 11:13:30 am
Seriously bummed this does not have scene selection or quick muting of FX. But not bad otherwise.

I set a soft key as a mute group with all the FX return channels. 1 button between songs mutes all FX.  I also set soft key to advance scene but wont be implemented until next firmware update.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: gary makovsky on September 25, 2013, 11:25:14 am
I set a soft key as a mute group with all the FX return channels. 1 button between songs mutes all FX.  I also set soft key to advance scene but wont be implemented until next firmware update.

Crap, just realized you were talking about ipad app. Agree no Tap, scene or soft keys on Ipad is annoying.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Travis Watson on September 25, 2013, 02:58:30 pm
Im still on the fence about getting one of these. Dissapointed to see 6 of the outputs are stereo and not user defined, and the digital snake dosent increase the channel count. Why do I have to have three stereo outs, I would much prefer 10 mono outs and stereo link what I want or not. Five wedge mixes and a aux fed sub and I should still have 4 outs to do with what I please. please.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 25, 2013, 03:05:01 pm
Im still on the fence about getting one of these. Dissapointed to see 6 of the outputs are stereo and not user defined, and the digital snake dosent increase the channel count. Why do I have to have three stereo outs, I would much prefer 10 mono outs and stereo link what I want or not. Five wedge mixes and a aux fed sub and I should still have 4 outs to do with what I please. please.

I'd contact A&H right away so they can make you up a custom console to your specific needs.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Corey Scogin on September 25, 2013, 03:07:50 pm
** Edit: too much off topic.  Deleted.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 25, 2013, 10:52:08 pm
I set a soft key as a mute group with all the FX return channels. 1 button between songs mutes all FX.  I also set soft key to advance scene but wont be implemented until next firmware update.
Yep I did the same. Can't wait for next update as scene selection needs a fast "one button" option to be useful live. Sadly it's one softkey short of a picnic as it is. Need 1= scene back, 2= scene forward, 3= scene recall, 4= tap tempo, 5= FX mute group.
Another drag when stepping through scenes using the soft buttons is that at the bottom of the touch screen you only get the scene number (no name?!?) which is not very useful if you have a bunch of scenes with descriptive names.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Chuck Simon on September 25, 2013, 10:59:20 pm
Im still on the fence about getting one of these. Dissapointed to see 6 of the outputs are stereo and not user defined, and the digital snake dosent increase the channel count. Why do I have to have three stereo outs, I would much prefer 10 mono outs and stereo link what I want or not. Five wedge mixes and a aux fed sub and I should still have 4 outs to do with what I please. please.

That's a reasonable request.  Sounds like you need a Soundcraft Si.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 25, 2013, 11:05:35 pm
That's a reasonable request.  Sounds like you need a Soundcraft Si.

Exactly.  Don't complain about something that doesn't live up to your expectations.  Find more money, buy what you need and stop complaining.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 26, 2013, 04:25:36 am
Anyone figured out how to clear stuff loaded into the custom layers on the Qu-Pad app yet? Probably glaringly obvious but I just can't see how to do it!
Thanks
Don
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on September 26, 2013, 05:15:37 am
Anyone figured out how to clear stuff loaded into the custom layers on the Qu-Pad app yet? Probably glaringly obvious but I just can't see how to do it!
Thanks
Don

Just drag those channels to the upper half of the screen and drop them over there. They will turn red and disappear.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Derek D Sanchez on September 26, 2013, 11:51:55 am
Can you use the stereo aux outs 5-10 as 3 mono outs for wedges? to have a total of 7 mono monitor outs. Say channel 1 is lead vocal and you assign out stereo 5and6 to it can you just use out 5 to feed the 5th monitor on stage will that work seeing how the vocal is in mono and goes to left and right anyways so either out should work unless you do panning with instruments. or is there a setting to just make those stereo outs a mono out to 7 total. Thanks Derek


Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on September 26, 2013, 03:04:15 pm
Can you use the stereo aux outs 5-10 as 3 mono outs for wedges? to have a total of 7 mono monitor outs. Say channel 1 is lead vocal and you assign out stereo 5and6 to it can you just use out 5 to feed the 5th monitor on stage will that work seeing how the vocal is in mono and goes to left and right anyways so either out should work unless you do panning with instruments. or is there a setting to just make those stereo outs a mono out to 7 total. Thanks Derek

Yes.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: gary makovsky on September 26, 2013, 03:58:58 pm
Yes.

I just did 10 monitor mixes with panning when a vocal group only wanted themselves in their monitors. You can get clever with the panning to get more mixes but be careful with the overlap on the pairs. 7 mono mixes are usually enough for anyone and it shouldn't matter wether you get the outs from the left or right. 
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 26, 2013, 10:00:43 pm
 fired up the Qu16 this morning to discover the mixer in a very unstable state. Audio from FX returns only and also saved scenes were either missing or changed. Had to do a reset of the mixer to get it back but recalled scenes were trashed. All I did was shut it down last night via the home screen shut down protocol then turn it on again this morning. Not very encouraging!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 27, 2013, 10:36:38 pm
Just drag those channels to the upper half of the screen and drop them over there. They will turn red and disappear.

Thanks George!!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on September 29, 2013, 02:35:37 pm
My other boards (which shall remain nameless) can send and receive individual channels via firewire to a computer. I can assign one to a channel in my DAW and use any plug-in available. It's like a digital insert for lack of a better term.

I know the QU-16 sends via USB during multi-track recording but does anyone know if I could do the same thing with the QU-16's USB Port? I can select USB as the input for any channel but does the mixer continually send all channels out?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on September 30, 2013, 09:45:35 am
My other boards (which shall remain nameless) can send and receive individual channels via firewire to a computer. I can assign one to a channel in my DAW and use any plug-in available. It's like a digital insert for lack of a better term.

I know the QU-16 sends via USB during multi-track recording but does anyone know if I could do the same thing with the QU-16's USB Port? I can select USB as the input for any channel but does the mixer continually send all channels out?

I've been able to do this in part where I take the signal from the input and process it on the mac then push it back into the QU-16 but not to the original fader of the input. It works perfectly well if you return it to any other input on the desk via the USB selector. Having said that, there may be a way to have this work as a genuine channel insert but I have not figured it out.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on October 02, 2013, 08:31:46 am
A&H just released firmware v1.11 (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?catId=Qu16&ProductId=Qu16#tabset-tab-6), a maintenance release...

Release notes over here (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/CategoryDocuments/Release%20Notes%20Qu-16%20firmware%20V1.11.pdf)

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on October 02, 2013, 05:03:08 pm
About the scene recall filter, I noticed some unexpected behaviour, non logical for me.

See at the bottom of page 4 of this document (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/CategoryDocuments/Qu-16%20firmware%20V1.10%20New%20Features.pdf):

There are 2 global filters.
I expected that when I recall a scene, all settings are restored, except the channel assignments of the custom layer.

However, the behaviour is different: all scene settings are restored, except the channel settings of all channels which are present on the custom layer. I hope everyone understands this explanation and this difference...

So.... be aware of what to expect, when you enable this filter. I personally won't use it anymore as the current implementation doesn't suit my needs.

- George
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on October 03, 2013, 09:17:11 am
Allen & Heath has the QU-Pad App on the Apple Website. I can see it with my computer but I can't see it with my iPad (in the App Store).
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/qu-pad/id699450314 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/qu-pad/id699450314)
I got it but I had to navigate to this link with my iPad and click on the Free Button to install it.

You'll need the new firmware to use it. It is also available on the QU-16 Website
http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=Qu16&ProductId=Qu16 (http://www.allen-heath.com/uk/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=Qu16&ProductId=Qu16)

I installed the firmware update on the mixer and the QU-Pad app on my iPad. I plugged in my Apple Airport Express Router and it all seems to be working fine!

Hi Marty
Just wondering if you are using the qu-pad app over a network that does NOT have an internet connection. I've been trying to get this working with both the new and old airport express units as well as an airport extreme and they all work fine until i disconnect the network from the internet. Seems weird that it needs an internet connection to work!? I'm sure I'm doing something blindingly obviously wrong but I need to use the qu-16 and au-pad at gigs _without_ an internet connection!
Thanks
Don
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on October 04, 2013, 04:58:03 pm
Hi Marty
Just wondering if you are using the qu-pad app over a network that does NOT have an internet connection. I've been trying to get this working with both the new and old airport express units as well as an airport extreme and they all work fine until i disconnect the network from the internet. Seems weird that it needs an internet connection to work!? I'm sure I'm doing something blindingly obviously wrong but I need to use the qu-16 and au-pad at gigs _without_ an internet connection!
Thanks
Don
I Don't have my router attached to the internet. I do mostly outdoor festivals. No internet out there.

Run the Airport Utility
Click on your Router and Select Edit
Click near the top and select Network
Under Router Mode Select DHCP and NAT
Near the bottom Click the Network Options Button
Check the "Enable Nat Port Mapping Protocol" Checkbox
Click Save to exit that dialog and then Click Update to send the new configuration to the Airport Express
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Don Robinson on October 04, 2013, 11:48:49 pm
I Don't have my router attached to the internet. I do mostly outdoor festivals. No internet out there.

Run the Airport Utility
Click on your Router and Select Edit
Click near the top and select Network
Under Router Mode Select DHCP and NAT
Near the bottom Click the Network Options Button
Check the "Enable Nat Port Mapping Protocol" Checkbox
Click Save to exit that dialog and then Click Update to send the new configuration to the Airport Express
That did the trick! thanks Marty!
Don
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on October 07, 2013, 06:07:49 pm
"Cross-Fading" Between scenes.
We do a lot of festivals where we have ten minutes to strike/set the stage, get the band out there and set the monitor mix. During the setup, an emcee is yammering on through the mains.

While we're doing this, the channel faders must be all the way down and not muted while the emcee's channel is up. When the band is ready to go, the faders have to all be brought up at once then the emcee can be muted.

Ideally, there would be a way to set the master fader all the way off and get channel faders in the ball-park. Then, when the band starts, bring the master fader up. Of course we can't do that because the emcee mic is in the mains.

What would really be ideal would be to have a way to cross-fade between the emcee and the band.

We're using a QU-16 so there are no subgroups or VCA's. Anyone found a creative way to deal with this problem?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Rob Spence on October 07, 2013, 06:35:29 pm
"Cross-Fading" Between scenes.
We do a lot of festivals where we have ten minutes to strike/set the stage, get the band out there and set the monitor mix. During the setup, an emcee is yammering on through the mains.

While we're doing this, the channel faders must be all the way down and not muted while the emcee's channel is up. When the band is ready to go, the faders have to all be brought up at once then the emcee can be muted.

Ideally, there would be a way to set the master fader all the way off and get channel faders in the ball-park. Then, when the band starts, bring the master fader up. Of course we can't do that because the emcee mic is in the mains.

What would really be ideal would be to have a way to cross-fade between the emcee and the band.

We're using a QU-16 so there are no subgroups or VCA's. Anyone found a creative way to deal with this problem?

Does it have mute groups?

On my LS9 I have a mute group for the band inputs. The MC mic is not in the group. When the band stood, one push and the band inputs are muted. I can unmute the MC manually.

Of course, on a 16 ch board, what is the big deal with unmuting the MC and then just muting the other 15 ch? Only takes a few seconds. That way you don't have to touch any of the faders.


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Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on October 07, 2013, 07:02:31 pm
Does it have mute groups?

On my LS9 I have a mute group for the band inputs. The MC mic is not in the group. When the band stood, one push and the band inputs are muted. I can unmute the MC manually.
Yes four mute groups but they mute the inputs so we can't set monitors if the channel is muted. I guess there's no good way to do it. Our other mixers have subgroups so it's not a problem. I've worked with smaller mixers before. It's more of a nuisance than anything.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Corey Scogin on October 10, 2013, 11:01:33 am
I just received a Qu-16 for use at my (small) church.  I've been running it through it's paces at home, deciding how best to set up monitors, fx, soft keys, etc.  We've been using a MixWiz.  I use an LS9 for my own work.

So far I'm loving the Qu-drive functionality even though it's a bit picky about disk formatting and such.  In my test setup, I've loaded multitrack projects from here (http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-mtk.htm) onto a hard drive to be able to mix a full band while testing in my basement.  That's handy.

Question:
I have a stereo input into ST1.  Is it possible to send a summed left and right channel from ST1 to both sides (or just one side) of a stereo mix output?  This is needed when using a stereo mix out to feed a mono wedge and a source signal is stereo.  ex: stereo keys into ST1. Keys is using a wedge off of mix 5-6 and needs both L & R from the keyboard in the wedge.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 10, 2013, 04:16:51 pm
Yes four mute groups but they mute the inputs so we can't set monitors if the channel is muted. I guess there's no good way to do it. Our other mixers have subgroups so it's not a problem. I've worked with smaller mixers before. It's more of a nuisance than anything.

My "work-around" for this is to go ahead and use a mute group for all inputs except the MC mic.  Here's the work flow:

1.  Mute all.

2.  Un-assign everything from the L/R bus by pressing the "assign" button, then running your finger down the row of channel "select" buttons to remove them from the mains bus.

3.  Un-mute all.  You can now work up your monitor mix.

4.  Mute all.

5.  Re-assign all channels to the main mix.

6.  Un-mute all.

The whole process of mute/un-assign or mute/assign takes all of a few seconds.

Corey...

If possible, I'd switch the keys monitor mix to one of the mono auxes.  There might be a more complicated work-around involving splitting the keys inputs into St1 and St2, hard panning each the opposite way and then assigning the L and R inputs into one side of the stereo aux, but you'd have to burn a lot of circuitry to do it.  If you have the routing to spare you could make it work.
Title: Re: Qu-16 Users / ISO Android App
Post by: George Wieggers on October 14, 2013, 01:26:12 pm
The App has 2 large buttons.

A green "FX On" button and a red "FX Off" button. They control the mute setting of FX returns 1 to 4.

And above these buttons, there's a simple text-box to type in a simple comment.
The lead singer requested this text box, so that he can type in the name of the bride and groom :-)

Then there's a settings page, where you can enter the IP address of the Qu-16.
Connect the Qu-16 to your network, set it's DHCP setting to on, and go to the diagnostics page, to see it's actual IP address.
Make sure that your phone is connected to the same network using Wifi.

That's all for now.

The app isn't available in google play. But if anyone is interested, then I can put up a URL to the .apk file so that you can download and install it for yourself....

www.feestband.nu/qu_16_app (http://www.feestband.nu/qu_16_app)

Disclaimer: use at your own risk. I cannot guarantee anything, even if the app will continue to work with future firmware versions, because A&H didn't release any official specifications yet.

- George

So, I finally got my hands on an Ipad mini. This allowed me to watch the network traffic and learn the midi commands to which the Qu-16 responds.

I'm making slow progress with my own FX-on / FX-off Android app: communication is bi-directional now.
The app could already control the FX mute settings on the Qu-16.. But now it also detects a FX-mute setting change, as soon as it happens on the mixing desk itself.

If anyone wants to try... the download (new version) is still there...

- George
Title: New Forum for QU-16 Users
Post by: Marty America on October 18, 2013, 11:52:34 am
Allen & Heath has a new Forum for QU-16 Users. There is a General Discussion, a Feature Request and a Troubleshooting board. Members of the old forum are required to reset their passwords.

http://community.allen-heath.com/forums/forum/qu (http://community.allen-heath.com/forums/forum/qu)
Title: Re: New Forum for QU-16 Users
Post by: George Wieggers on October 19, 2013, 05:46:29 pm
I managed to create an initial release of an Android tablet app, to remote control the Qu-16.

Visit my site (http://qu-apps.wieggers.org/) for more info.

- George
Title: Re: New Forum for QU-16 Users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 19, 2013, 07:06:07 pm
I managed to create an initial release of an Android tablet app, to remote control the Qu-16.

Visit my site (http://qu-apps.wieggers.org/) for more info.

- George

Looking good, George.  Keep it coming....
Title: Re: New Forum for QU-16 Users
Post by: Corey Scogin on October 21, 2013, 01:14:59 pm
Regarding Qu-Drive multitrack recording / playback...

I purchased a Seagate Slim 500 GB USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BOHNYTW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) a few months ago and have used it a few times with the Qu-16.  Before an event I was using Qu-Drive to play back multitrack files so that I could get a feel for the room, set monitor levels, etc.  I noticed that if the hard drive was bumped at all, the playback would pause momentarily then continue.  This concerns me that when recording, the same thing may happen.  I think the hard drive may have some built-in shock protection that retracts the heads to keep anything internal from physically touching when it senses a shock.

I began looking at alternatives in either SSD's or USB flash drives - both of which are warned against in the manual.  I ended up getting a SanDisk Extreme USB 3.0 Flash Drive (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007YXA5S8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).  This particular drive has tested with the fastest speeds available for a flash drive.  It is faster than the HDD previously used so I assumed it should work.  My assumption was correct.  There have been no issues recording or playing back multitrack from this flash drive.  It also formats faster than the HDD.  The only downside to this flash drive is it's slightly long and could possible be hit and broken while sticking up out of the board.  I plan to get a short USB extension cable to eliminate this possibility.

Anyone else have any tips for recording multitrack with the Qu-16?
Title: Re: New Forum for QU-16 Users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on October 21, 2013, 01:58:45 pm
Regarding Qu-Drive multitrack recording / playback...

I purchased a Seagate Slim 500 GB USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BOHNYTW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) a few months ago and have used it a few times with the Qu-16.  Before an event I was using Qu-Drive to play back multitrack files so that I could get a feel for the room, set monitor levels, etc.  I noticed that if the hard drive was bumped at all, the playback would pause momentarily then continue. 

I have a 500 gig Seagate USB hard drive that I'm using.  It is a little older model than yours.  I have not experienced any disruptions while using it.

Have you thought of placing the drive in the hollow underneath the board?  You could even set it on a 2" thick piece of soft foam.  If you're getting any skips from shock after that, I'd consider less rowdy gigging environments.....(grin).
Title: Re: New Forum for QU-16 Users
Post by: Tommy Peel on October 21, 2013, 02:07:04 pm
Regarding Qu-Drive multitrack recording / playback...

I purchased a Seagate Slim 500 GB USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BOHNYTW/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) a few months ago and have used it a few times with the Qu-16.  Before an event I was using Qu-Drive to play back multitrack files so that I could get a feel for the room, set monitor levels, etc.  I noticed that if the hard drive was bumped at all, the playback would pause momentarily then continue.  This concerns me that when recording, the same thing may happen.  I think the hard drive may have some built-in shock protection that retracts the heads to keep anything internal from physically touching when it senses a shock.

I began looking at alternatives in either SSD's or USB flash drives - both of which are warned against in the manual.  I ended up getting a SanDisk Extreme USB 3.0 Flash Drive (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007YXA5S8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).  This particular drive has tested with the fastest speeds available for a flash drive.  It is faster than the HDD previously used so I assumed it should work.  My assumption was correct.  There have been no issues recording or playing back multitrack from this flash drive.  It also formats faster than the HDD.  The only downside to this flash drive is it's slightly long and could possible be hit and broken while sticking up out of the board.  I plan to get a short USB extension cable to eliminate this possibility.

Anyone else have any tips for recording multitrack with the Qu-16?

Just speculating here but I know that some laptop HDDs have a shock(physical not electrical) sensor that will cause the drive to park the read/write heads when the drive is dropped or possibly bumped. I have no idea if an external drive would have this feature or if the drive stopping for the second or less would cause the playback to stop though. Still with the amount of data the drive is having to read/write the buffer might not be enough to keep the data flowing if the drive had to park it's head for a second.
Title: Re: New Android App for QU-16 Users
Post by: Russ Davis on October 21, 2013, 02:18:43 pm
I managed to create an initial release of an Android tablet app, to remote control the Qu-16.

Visit my site (http://qu-apps.wieggers.org/) for more info.

Thank you, from one of the remaining holdouts who have pledged to not buy Hon Hai/Foxconn-built iPads or other iProducts.
Title: Re: New Android App for QU-16 Users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on November 18, 2013, 05:33:26 pm
Thank you, from one of the remaining holdouts who have pledged to not buy Hon Hai/Foxconn-built iPads or other iProducts.

Bumping this up to ask:

If you were to "expand" the scope of the Qu-16, what would you add, where, how and why?

I've almost weaned myself from my Graphi-Q's, but still have the rack with the AR1215 for voltage regulation.  I'm thinking about throwing in an Aphex 207 dual tube pre to feed into one of the stereo inputs...or one channel of each of ST1 and ST2, thereby getting access to two more routable inputs.

Could be for IEM ambient mics, drum OH's, keyboards or other "stereo" sources.  Anyone else have any ideas?
Title: Re: Expanded Scope of Qu-16
Post by: Tommy Peel on November 18, 2013, 06:00:04 pm
Bumping this up to ask:

If you were to "expand" the scope of the Qu-16, what would you add, where, how and why?


Stepping out on a limb here and assuming this is what you're asking for...

The main way I'd like the mixer to be expanded would be more mono channels. The ability to mix all 24 channels of a connected AR2412 in addition to the onboard stereo inputs(or an equal number of onboard mic inputs) would make me much more inclined to buy one. Even if the added channels didn't have full processing(comps/gates) that would be fine; I'm on a 16 channel analog board right now and I couldn't see me buying a digital board without gaining some channels.

Other than that the Qu-16 looks like a pretty awesome board, I love how it will record multitrack direct to an external HDD.

Dick if this post is "crossing the line" with this thread I'll gladly delete the contents of this post; definitely not trying to step on any toes.
Title: Re: New Android App for QU-16 Users
Post by: Ned Ward on November 18, 2013, 06:18:05 pm
Thank you, from one of the remaining holdouts who have pledged to not buy Hon Hai/Foxconn-built iPads or other iProducts.


I wouldn't be so quick to judge; with Android tablets usually being cheaper but having the same amount of components, where do you think the cost savings comes from? Not saying Apple's manufacturers are perfect, but would guess that Android manufacturers have their share of horror stories. It's just not all concentrated in a few manufacturers.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on December 20, 2013, 07:43:11 pm
Version three of the QU-16 Manual with all of the 1.2 features at:
www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu-16-User-Guide-AP9031_3.pdf‎
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 20, 2013, 07:58:54 pm
Version three of the QU-16 Manual with all of the 1.2 features at:
www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu-16-User-Guide-AP9031_3.pdf‎

http://www.allen-heath.com/media/Qu-16-User-Guide-AP9031_3.pdf

Test...test...1...2...
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kev Jones on December 22, 2013, 06:35:57 am
After years of faithful service from an Allen and Heath GL2400, finally took the plunge and went digital with a QU-16.  Now I have to ramp up the learning curve asap for the band's next gig (I'll try not to ask you guys too many dumb questions!).

Also bought an Allen and Heath Zed 10 as a spare that I can take to gigs just in case I have a digital meltdown.  So the Zed is my 'insurance policy' that'll give me 4 vocals and a couple of stereos - and that would be enough for us to limp through the rest of a gig (and rely on the backline for everything else).  Feels a bit strange to buy a piece of kit that one hopes not to use... ever (as I'm obviously hoping we never have a digital meltdown).  That said... the Zed seems to be very solidly built for a small, low-cost mixer.  Yes, there are way cheaper small mixers out there... but I like Allen and Heath's quality... and I suspect the preamps may be in a different league compared with some other low-cost mixers.

Thanks to all the contributors on this forum... your comments on the various digital mixer options, over the past months, were very useful in helping me to make my choice.

Now back to reading the user manual (again) for the QU-16.....
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on December 22, 2013, 11:06:16 am
After years of faithful service from an Allen and Heath GL2400, finally took the plunge and went digital with a QU-16.  Now I have to ramp up the learning curve asap for the band's next gig (I'll try not to ask you guys too many dumb questions!).

Also bought an Allen and Heath Zed 10 as a spare that I can take to gigs just in case I have a digital meltdown.  So the Zed is my 'insurance policy' that'll give me 4 vocals and a couple of stereos - and that would be enough for us to limp through the rest of a gig (and rely on the backline for everything else).  Feels a bit strange to buy a piece of kit that one hopes not to use... ever (as I'm obviously hoping we never have a digital meltdown).  That said... the Zed seems to be very solidly built for a small, low-cost mixer.  Yes, there are way cheaper small mixers out there... but I like Allen and Heath's quality... and I suspect the preamps may be in a different league compared with some other low-cost mixers.

Thanks to all the contributors on this forum... your comments on the various digital mixer options, over the past months, were very useful in helping me to make my choice.

Now back to reading the user manual (again) for the QU-16.....

Welcome to the world of the QU16 !!
I LOVE mine.   I did the same thing and bought a back up mixer. I have a small Peavey PV 10 that I take around with me. The reviews on it were very good and it feels very well made. Needed on board effects to 'limp by'  if in a pinch. It gets used for rehearsal so it doesn't sit in a case all the time. I still have my mixwiz though and can't seem to let go yet...give me time.
Make sure you download the latest firmware on the QU16 as it does make a few more things available. Also you can get the current manual off the A & H website which covers all the changes.
Dick and Corey have helped me a lot so I am sure if you have any questions they will be there for you......Have Fun !!!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Mike Pyle on December 22, 2013, 11:58:08 am
Also bought an Allen and Heath Zed 10 as a spare that I can take to gigs just in case

If you want a handy hardcase for that zed 10, I found that this Gator model is a perfect fit. Mixer and cord fit snugly in the bottom and the tray gives you a place for adapters, DI or whatever.

http://www.gatorcases.com/p/27168-1111/gav-ltofficetsa
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kev Jones on December 22, 2013, 12:28:41 pm
Debbie, thanks for the welcome to the world of QU-16s.  I have watched your journey from Mix Wiz to QU-16 over the past few months... and I've learnt from the questions you've asked and the answers you've received.  So thanks for that.
Like you... I'm not thinking of getting rid of my GL2400 anytime soon... or maybe even anytime at all.
Yes, my small backup mixer is very basic... but, as I've always been happy with my previous A&H, I thought I'd sort of stick with what I know.  I agree, Peavey has a history of making some good kit - and usually for a good price - so I'm sure that was a good choice.

Mike, thanks for the advice on the case.  I'm still trying to work out what to do for a case for the QU-16.  I don't want a full flight case (as I want to keep things as light as possible) - but I'd like something with a removable lid, so the mixer can sit on a solid base (otherwise the mixer's not going to sit well on my QuikLok mixer stand.

Lots to learn... but it's fun.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 22, 2013, 12:29:21 pm
After years of faithful service from an Allen and Heath GL2400, finally took the plunge and went digital with a QU-16.
 
Also bought an Allen and Heath Zed 10 as a spare that I can take to gigs just in case I have a digital meltdown. 

My "back up" is having my voltage stable.  A Furman AR1215 for FOH is mandatory for me and has been even for analog gear for the last dozen or so years.  The money spent on stable power has paid for itself a hundred times over in heading off some serious damage due to "cowboy" power on more than a few gigs...

And even when I was using analog gear, I carried a spare desk.  So nothing new there.  The show must have gone on.....
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 22, 2013, 12:32:23 pm


Mike, thanks for the advice on the case.  I'm still trying to work out what to do for a case for the QU-16.  I don't want a full flight case (as I want to keep things as light as possible) - but I'd like something with a removable lid, so the mixer can sit on a solid base (otherwise the mixer's not going to sit well on my QuikLok mixer stand.

Lots to learn... but it's fun.

Take another look at the SKB case DD ended up with.

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,147188.msg1354853.html#msg1354853

 I have gotten the same setup.  The tilt-up frame is very handy in compensating for losing the slant of the Qu-16 when racking it.  Nice to have the screen readily visible if you're at the board and not mixing on a pad.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Kev Jones on December 22, 2013, 12:49:02 pm
Dick, First of all - thank you for all your various posts on the QU-16 and other things over the past few months... I've learnt a lot from your comments and advice (I've still got a lot to learn... but I'll get there).

Yes... I guess I've been getting away with things - not having a spare mixer.  However - rightly or wrongly - moving to digital made me more aware of possible vulnerabilities.  That said, I had to go for a very small spare mixer as there's not much room in my car for much more kit (I'm the guitarist in the band - and I carry all the PA, my guitar stuff and the bassist's stuff... so I have no chance of using my GL2400 as my spare.  Shame, because it's been a good mixer - but I'll find a use for it at some point.

Thanks for the info about the Furman and the case.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on December 22, 2013, 04:01:56 pm
Dick, First of all - thank you for all your various posts on the QU-16 and other things over the past few months... I've learnt a lot from your comments and advice (I've still got a lot to learn... but I'll get there).

Yes... I guess I've been getting away with things - not having a spare mixer.  However - rightly or wrongly - moving to digital made me more aware of possible vulnerabilities.  That said, I had to go for a very small spare mixer as there's not much room in my car for much more kit (I'm the guitarist in the band - and I carry all the PA, my guitar stuff and the bassist's stuff... so I have no chance of using my GL2400 as my spare.  Shame, because it's been a good mixer - but I'll find a use for it at some point.

Thanks for the info about the Furman and the case.
Kev,

I carry my ZED 10Fx as a backup for the same reason (size and weight) as a backup for my rig.  I just started using a digital mixer (X32 Rack).  As you stated, I find myself also worrying more about mixer failure than I did with my MixWiz analog setup.

My band uses vDrums, so we could get by OK with just the ZED 10Fx. 

Also another alternative to Dick's furman recommendation is here:  http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SC450RM1U

They are less expensive (can get them for ~$190.00 on Amazon), and also can provide several minutes of UPS power in addition to voltage regulation.  The disavantage is that they weigh around 24lbs vs the Furman's 12lbs. The APC unit is also limited to `3.75 amps (more than enough to power the Qu-16 at 84W) Both are 1u units.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 22, 2013, 04:20:14 pm


Also another alternative to Dick's furman recommendation is here:  http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SC450RM1U



Sorry, but no.  The AR1215 is a 15 amp unit with 8 outlets behind, one "courtesy" outlet on the face.

The APC unit you link looks to have 4 outlets, handles less power and offers no metering.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on December 22, 2013, 07:28:03 pm
Sorry, but no.  The AR1215 is a 15 amp unit with 8 outlets behind, one "courtesy" outlet on the face.

The APC unit you link looks to have 4 outlets, handles less power and offers no metering.
If your rig needs more than 4 outlets, and more importantly more than 3.75 amps, and you don't want UPS capabilities, then I agree.  I don't feel that strongly about the metering since I have other tools that are more accurate and complete for this purpose.

Additionally, the APC unit will tolerate much worse inputs than will the Furman

APC - 75-154V input
Furman - 97-141V input

Really, the weight bothers me more than the smaller number of output sockets or the lower current rating.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 22, 2013, 07:59:36 pm
If your rig needs more than 4 outlets, and more importantly more than 3.75 amps, and you don't want UPS capabilities, then I agree.  I don't feel that strongly about the metering since I have other tools that are more accurate and complete for this purpose.


What all do you have at FOH?

Console
Wireless router
iPad charger
USB hard-disc for Qu-drive recording
Wireless mic receivers

That's a good bit more than 3.75 amps...and when voltage sags you sacrifice amps to maintain voltage.  There's no way I'd go with anything less than a full 15 amps.

Having the brightly lit, full-time LED metering is a plus.  Not having the extra 12 pounds is a plus.

And here's a picture of APC's "stepped approximation" of a sine wave:

Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on December 23, 2013, 04:49:39 pm
What all do you have at FOH?

Console
Wireless router
iPad charger
USB hard-disc for Qu-drive recording
Wireless mic receivers

That's a good bit more than 3.75 amps...and when voltage sags you sacrifice amps to maintain voltage.  There's no way I'd go with anything less than a full 15 amps.

Having the brightly lit, full-time LED metering is a plus.  Not having the extra 12 pounds is a plus.

And here's a picture of APC's "stepped approximation" of a sine wave:

Hey Dick,

I noticed this discussion start to develop again yesterday and mentioned how we should make the investment to protect our FOH equipment to my husband. He thought he was doing the right thing and today brought home this:

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BN575G

He picked it up at Sam's Club on his way home. Not sure how to tell him that it is not going to be adequate. Can I utilize it safely in any way do you think???
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 23, 2013, 05:01:17 pm
Hey Dick,

I noticed this discussion start to develop again yesterday and mentioned how we should make the investment to protect our FOH equipment to my husband. He thought he was doing the right thing and today brought home this:

http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=BN575G

He picked it up at Sam's Club on his way home. Not sure how to tell him that it is not going to be adequate. Can I utilize it safely in any way do you think???

Perhaps put it into "domestic use" for a home computer and get a real line voltage regulator for your digital console???

Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on December 23, 2013, 05:32:11 pm
Perhaps put it into "domestic use" for a home computer and get a real line voltage regulator for your digital console???

He he.....It was a good price mind ..he tells me just north of $30. I'm sure I'll find a use for it !!

While I'm on the forum....I'd just like to say thank you to everyone who has made my life so much easier by helping me make better decisions than I might have done left to my own devices - you all know who you are - but more importantly........

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE !!!!!!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on December 24, 2013, 12:27:49 pm
What all do you have at FOH?

Console
Wireless router
iPad charger
USB hard-disc for Qu-drive recording
Wireless mic receivers

That's a good bit more than 3.75 amps...and when voltage sags you sacrifice amps to maintain voltage.  There's no way I'd go with anything less than a full 15 amps.

Having the brightly lit, full-time LED metering is a plus.  Not having the extra 12 pounds is a plus.

And here's a picture of APC's "stepped approximation" of a sine wave:
Dick,

I have an X32 Rack which draws 70W, an Furman wired IEM transmitter/limiter which draws 20W, so 450W would be more than enough.  Even if you used 5 or 6 Shure PSM900's (550 mA @ 15VDC), you would be fine with this amount of power.

What you posted about the "approximation of a sine wave" is much much more disturbing.  That looks like crap!

There are other APC models like this one: http://www.amazon.com/APC-SUA1000RM2U-Smart-UPS-1000VA-Rackmount/dp/B000086A1I

Which claim a simple sine wave output; however, this guy is much heavier, 2U, and nearly as expensive as the Furman so what would be the point.

Thanks for the information.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Tim Tyler on December 24, 2013, 08:54:50 pm
Debbie -

The APC unit you have mentioned is perfectly adequate for UPS duty for a QU-16.  The problem that arises with digital consoles is the reboot time that can be from 15 to 20 seconds or even minutes, which is unacceptable at a live gig.  (power interruption from the venue or accidental unplugging)  The QU-16 pulls 82 watts and is probably the only device that needs battery backup.  Other items can be plugged to the non-battery outputs. 

The so-called "stepped sine wave" is a nonissue.  I have 2 of the APC units very similar to the one you described (550 VA), which I test regularly by pulling the plug, never a blink.

Merry Christmas,

-Tim T
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 24, 2013, 09:39:25 pm
Debbie -

The APC unit you have mentioned is perfectly adequate for UPS duty for a QU-16.



The original topic was voltage regulation, not UPS.  Having both would be the best and for that a nice TrippLite in-line UPS is probably as good as it gets.  But that's major weight to carry.

In my book the order of importance for gear protection/show continuity is:

1.  Voltage regulation.

2.  Battery back-up.

A UPS without voltage regulation is riskier than voltage regulation without UPS.  A simple UPS offers little or no protection from over/under-voltage.   

And again, having both is best.

Edit:

TrippLite UPS trace

Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Scott Bolt on December 25, 2013, 10:44:06 pm
The original topic was voltage regulation, not UPS.  Having both would be the best and for that a nice TrippLite in-line UPS is probably as good as it gets.  But that's major weight to carry.

In my book the order of importance for gear protection/show continuity is:

1.  Voltage regulation.

2.  Battery back-up.

A UPS without voltage regulation is riskier than voltage regulation without UPS.  A simple UPS offers little or no protection from over/under-voltage.   

And again, having both is best.

Edit:

TrippLite UPS trace

How's about this one?  http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3193

Looks like it can be purchased for $150.00.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on December 27, 2013, 11:37:33 am
Debbie -

The APC unit you have mentioned is perfectly adequate for UPS duty for a QU-16.  The problem that arises with digital consoles is the reboot time that can be from 15 to 20 seconds or even minutes, which is unacceptable at a live gig.  (power interruption from the venue or accidental unplugging)  The QU-16 pulls 82 watts and is probably the only device that needs battery backup.  Other items can be plugged to the non-battery outputs. 

The so-called "stepped sine wave" is a nonissue.  I have 2 of the APC units very similar to the one you described (550 VA), which I test regularly by pulling the plug, never a blink.

Merry Christmas,


-Tim T

Thanks Tim....Merry Christmas to you too !
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on December 27, 2013, 11:46:24 am
The original topic was voltage regulation, not UPS.  Having both would be the best and for that a nice TrippLite in-line UPS is probably as good as it gets.  But that's major weight to carry.

In my book the order of importance for gear protection/show continuity is:

1.  Voltage regulation.

2.  Battery back-up.

A UPS without voltage regulation is riskier than voltage regulation without UPS.  A simple UPS offers little or no protection from over/under-voltage.   

And again, having both is best.

Edit:

TrippLite UPS trace

Hey Dick...how would this one compare???
Not trying to be cheap here and I really want to protect the mixer as best I can on what is now a much smaller budget that I started with before Christmas.

http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1350PFCLCD-Sinewave-Comaptible-Mini-Tower/dp/B00429N19M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388162728&sr=8-2&keywords=cp1350
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on December 27, 2013, 04:42:06 pm
Hey Dick...how would this one compare???
Not trying to be cheap here and I really want to protect the mixer as best I can on what is now a much smaller budget that I started with before Christmas.

http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1350PFCLCD-Sinewave-Comaptible-Mini-Tower/dp/B00429N19M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1388162728&sr=8-2&keywords=cp1350

You'll want something rack-mountable.  Towers are a headache.

Here's an old link sent to me by a friend:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261169336068?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

This is a used, pricey TrippLite model, but when you buy them as they're retired from safe-guarding computer servers they're very reasonable.  You can get new batteries for them for reasonable, you just have to go through the work of finding one for an affordable price (shopping...yaayy_) and putting the deal together. 

He came out with a workable unit with brand new batteries for right under $200.00 (not counting the rack case).  They are the tops and the screen shot I posted of the TrippLite sine wave was from his unit.

Units like this are always running "through the batteries", so there is as close to zero lag in backing up as possible.  They are always running through the inverter so the power is always that pristine sine wave you could see on the scope trace.  And since it's running through the whole shebang all the time, the voltage regulation is rock-solid.

This is a situation where research, self-instruction and diligent shopping can get you pretty much the ultimate protection and for an affordable price.

Best of luck.  Don't buy cheap office stuff....
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on December 27, 2013, 06:40:44 pm
You'll want something rack-mountable.  Towers are a headache.

Here's an old link sent to me by a friend:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261169336068?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

This is a used, pricey TrippLite model, but when you buy them as they're retired from safe-guarding computer servers they're very reasonable.  You can get new batteries for them for reasonable, you just have to go through the work of finding one for an affordable price (shopping...yaayy_) and putting the deal together. 

He came out with a workable unit with brand new batteries for right under $200.00 (not counting the rack case).  They are the tops and the screen shot I posted of the TrippLite sine wave was from his unit.

Units like this are always running "through the batteries", so there is as close to zero lag in backing up as possible.  They are always running through the inverter so the power is always that pristine sine wave you could see on the scope trace.  And since it's running through the whole shebang all the time, the voltage regulation is rock-solid.

This is a situation where research, self-instruction and diligent shopping can get you pretty much the ultimate protection and for an affordable price.

Best of luck.  Don't buy cheap office stuff....

Thanks Dick for being passionate about this stuff enough to spend time guiding others like ME !

I'll do as you suggest and start searching out one similar to this one you mention.
Meantime I might get a cheap one just so I have something for the next couple of gigs otherwise I'll just have my cheapy Furman strip like I did on the last gig. I must admit I didn't even think about it last time so thank goodness I had no issues but now it is on my mind I want something to protect the mixer. If I come across something better before the next gig which isn't till Jan 10th, that's a bonus!
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: frank kayser on January 03, 2014, 01:09:25 pm
Taking this in a slightly different direction, my current setup is a Presonus 16.0.2 (their baby mixer) and the 24.4.2.  I've always maintained the 16.4.2 was simultaneously too small and too large... The 24.4.2 is a beast to carry for one old man, so I doubt it will become my main mixer.  That and the size.

I've been debating whether to dump the baby for a QU16.  Basically I got spoiled for the additional functionality the 24.4.2 provides over the baby.  One being an off-line editor (of sorts) available (third party) for the 24 but not the baby - the developer has no plans to do so.

Which brings me to the QU16.  Reading this thread, I've become quite enamored with the A&H even though there is still much software development going on.  That is actually a good thing. The IPad app is out.  So next on my wish list would be an off-line editor.  I know the larger A&H consoles have that software available, and I hope similar software is in the works.  I'd hate to buy into the same situation. (The Soundcraft console looks great, but the form factor will not work)

I'm not really asking for whether I should sell the baby or not, nor am I asking whether A&H WILL produce off-line software and when.  I am asking whether it is a REASONABLE expectation that A&H would make such software for the QU16.  Could the absence of such software for the QU16 be a further product line distinction within A&H?

After all, a third party made an offline editor for Presonus, but it is painfully obvious Presonus has no desire to make a version of their own.  I really do not want to buy into that situation again. I know, no crystal ball, but maybe some insight into how A&H has responded in the past from someone with more experience with how A&H think and operate.

thanks
frank
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on January 23, 2014, 07:20:20 pm
Frank,
I think it is a reasonable assumption that it will happen. I also think it's reasonable to assume that if they do, it will work both on and offline. Here's why:
They already have a similar program for the GLD
The widgets they used in the graphical display (buttons, sliders, etc) look like the Qu-16 and Qu-24
The Qu series use the same command set as the GLD Series

I would love to see it happen too. I requested it last year shortly after receiving my Qu-16
Once the new Qu-24 is released, there will be additional need.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jeff Carter on January 25, 2014, 02:18:33 pm
I'm not really asking for whether I should sell the baby or not, nor am I asking whether A&H WILL produce off-line software and when.  I am asking whether it is a REASONABLE expectation that A&H would make such software for the QU16.  Could the absence of such software for the QU16 be a further product line distinction within A&H?

In the case of the GLD, the Editor was released with firmware V1.3, about a year and a half after the GLD-80 was released. First came the iPad app, then the GLD-112. So I'm not surprised that there's not an off-line editor yet for the Qu.

I'd expect to see a Qu editor eventually, but it could be a while yet--the GLD rep from A&H's Canadian distributor told me the GLD editor was in the works about a year before it was actually released. I'd recommend waiting until the editor is released and available for download before you buy a Qu if it's essential to your workflow.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: frank kayser on January 25, 2014, 05:35:39 pm
In the case of the GLD, the Editor was released with firmware V1.3, about a year and a half after the GLD-80 was released. First came the iPad app, then the GLD-112. So I'm not surprised that there's not an off-line editor yet for the Qu.

I'd expect to see a Qu editor eventually, but it could be a while yet--the GLD rep from A&H's Canadian distributor told me the GLD editor was in the works about a year before it was actually released. I'd recommend waiting until the editor is released and available for download before you buy a Qu if it's essential to your workflow.
That's particularly good information - past practices and such.  Right now, time is playing in my favor.  Wait and see.  Wait and see.
thanks
frank
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on January 26, 2014, 09:59:03 am
Hi guys,

For all you Android users out there: today I released version 0.0.2 of my Qu-16 remote control app for Android: QuMixDroid.

The User interface has changed a lot. Tablets and phones using Android version 4.0 or newer should also be able to run this app.

Check it out over here: http://qu-apps.wieggers.org/2014/01/qumixdroid-0-0-2-released/
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on January 26, 2014, 12:43:12 pm
Hi guys,

For all you Android users out there: today I released version 0.0.2 of my Qu-16 remote control app for Android: QuMixDroid.

The User interface has changed a lot. Tablets and phones using Android version 4.0 or newer should also be able to run this app.

Check it out over here: http://qu-apps.wieggers.org/2014/01/qumixdroid-0-0-2-released/

Doggone it, George.  Now I'm going to have to buy a Tablet to try out your app!!!

Keep it up.  I'd be very happy to ditch the Apple stuff if there's an alternative.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Tim Padrick on January 26, 2014, 01:59:41 pm
Everything I've read about the QU16 has stated that it is not expandable beyond 16 channels.  Are we sure that the stage box offers expansion to 24?  Even if so, it's a mighty expensive 24ch rig at that point.  Wait for the QU24 that was just introduced (and has a few added features).
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on January 26, 2014, 02:10:52 pm
Everything I've read about the QU16 has stated that it is not expandable beyond 16 channels.  Are we sure that the stage box offers expansion to 24?  Even if so, it's a mighty expensive 24ch rig at that point.  Wait for the QU24 that was just introduced (and has a few added features).

The Qu-16 has 22 input channels by itself, no stage box needed.
16 mono channels.
3 stereo channels.

When connecting an AR2412 stage box, the total number of inputs remains 22. So: 22 of the 24 inputs are used. Inputs 17-22 are used in pairs. Inputs 23 and 24 remain unused.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: frank kayser on January 26, 2014, 02:31:45 pm
Everything I've read about the QU16 has stated that it is not expandable beyond 16 channels.  Are we sure that the stage box offers expansion to 24? Even if so, it's a mighty expensive 24ch rig at that point.  Wait for the QU24 that was just introduced (and has a few added features).

We are sure that it doesn't. Wasn't the final nail put in that coffin with the introduction of the QU-24?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Gary Fitzpatrick on January 26, 2014, 03:18:59 pm
Hi guys,

For all you Android users out there: today I released version 0.0.2 of my Qu-16 remote control app for Android: QuMixDroid.

The User interface has changed a lot. Tablets and phones using Android version 4.0 or newer should also be able to run this app.

Check it out over here: http://qu-apps.wieggers.org/2014/01/qumixdroid-0-0-2-released/

This app looks really good george. Had a play offline with it on my samsung galaxy tab. Any plans to make one for the qu-24?


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Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on January 26, 2014, 03:30:16 pm
This app looks really good george. Had a play offline with it on my samsung galaxy tab. Any plans to make one for the qu-24?


Sent from my GT-P5110 using Tapatalk

That is going to be a lot harder, since I don't own one. I would have to do it using the official midi specs only.
Supporting the Qu-24 specific features (subgroups / matrices) would be hard I guess...

So, no plans yet (and not that much spare time, unfortunately)
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on February 09, 2014, 04:24:37 pm
Qu-Drive Multitrack Recording:
I recorded a show last night using the Qu-Drive Multitrack Direct to Drive. When I listened this morning I was surprised to hear all the dynamic processing had been recorded along with the tracks. Unfortunately, I was working with the Qu-Pad Remote App and couldn't cue up the drums in the headphones. As a result, the recorded, gated drum tracks are less than ideal.

I was poking around the menus and manual today looking for a way to record "Dry Tracks" on the USB Buss. Under Routing -> Channel Routing, there is a Listbox labeled "Global Direct Output Settings". You can select different points along the signal chain from the drop-down.

Will this change the source for the recording? If so, will it also change the source for the effect sends? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on February 09, 2014, 04:49:01 pm
Qu-Drive Multitrack Recording:
I recorded a show last night using the Qu-Drive Multitrack Direct to Drive. When I listened this morning I was surprised to hear all the dynamic processing had been recorded along with the tracks. Unfortunately, I was working with the Qu-Pad Remote App and couldn't cue up the drums in the headphones. As a result, the recorded, gated drum tracks are less than ideal.

I was poking around the menus and manual today looking for a way to record "Dry Tracks" on the USB Buss. Under Routing -> Channel Routing, there is a Listbox labeled "Global Direct Output Settings". You can select different points along the signal chain from the drop-down.

Will this change the source for the recording? If so, will it also change the source for the effect sends? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

That should get you the "dry tracks".  The only way it effects the effects sends is if you're using the alternate method of using the DO's to feed the FX engines.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on March 03, 2014, 02:40:05 pm
Okay humor me.
If you wanted to send the Main L/R signal out digitally and then return it completely un-affected, how would you go about it? Why? You might ask? So I can assign it to an aux buss, set the delay and use it to drive delay speakers with a signal that follows the Main Fader.
Would you use a computer and DAW software to simply assign an input and output channel? A plug-in, a piece of hardware?

I used it this weekend by plugging the Alt Out into the Stereo One in but I don't like doing it that way. It makes me nervous.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on March 03, 2014, 02:54:14 pm
Okay humor me.
If you wanted to send the Main L/R signal out digitally and then return it completely un-affected, how would you go about it? Why? You might ask? So I can assign it to an aux buss, set the delay and use it to drive delay speakers with a signal that follows the Main Fader.
Would you use a computer and DAW software to simply assign an input and output channel? A plug-in, a piece of hardware?

I used it this weekend by plugging the Alt Out into the Stereo One in but I don't like doing it that way. It makes me nervous.

If you're going to send signal out to something, why not just make that unit a delay or some other unit which incorporates delay?

The way you're doing it will work, but I understand why you'd be concerned.  You could also use one in/out on your DSP to feed your delays if you have it to spare.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on March 03, 2014, 03:28:24 pm
If there is a delay that returns a completely "Wet" signal with no hint of the original, that would do. However, if you use the delay on the mixer, you can control and adjust it with the iPad. It's so nice to simply stand by the delay and wave your magic finger across the Qu-Pad app.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on March 03, 2014, 03:51:31 pm
If there is a delay that returns a completely "Wet" signal with no hint of the original, that would do. However, if you use the delay on the mixer, you can control and adjust it with the iPad. It's so nice to simply stand by the delay and wave your magic finger across the Qu-Pad app.

I was talking about a "real" delay, not a delay effect device.  But then I still set my delay speakers by pacing off the distance from the mains and adding 5ms.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on March 03, 2014, 04:16:25 pm
Are we the only two people that read this thread?

My Qu-16 is on its way to the repair depot (American Music and Sound in MS) for an ECO to fix the popping sound that it makes when you plug a mic in even when muted. It's a known issue with the earlier production models but A&H Tech Support has been very gracious. They're going to cover the fix including shipping charges.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on March 03, 2014, 06:34:29 pm
Are we the only two people that read this thread?

My Qu-16 is on its way to the repair depot (American Music and Sound in MS) for an ECO to fix the popping sound that it makes when you plug a mic in even when muted. It's a known issue with the earlier production models but A&H Tech Support has been very gracious. They're going to cover the fix including shipping charges.

That happened to me a couple of times but I blamed myself and moved on. Then when I updated to v 1.3 it was no longer a problem. Would the firmware update make a difference or have I just not noticed any issues since???
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on March 03, 2014, 07:50:47 pm
That happened to me a couple of times but I blamed myself and moved on. Then when I updated to v 1.3 it was no longer a problem. Would the firmware update make a difference or have I just not noticed any issues since???
According to the release notes in V1.3, the problem is with very early models but they don't publish a list of specific serial numbers.

When I used it this weekend, I only noticed it when I unplugged certain mics. The RODE NT-1A was the worst. I had several AKG C1000 that made minor clicks and the Countryman DI's and SM-58's seemed to have no issues. I had a mute group set up to mute all but an emcee mic during changeovers.

I do think it is not as bad as it was when I first received the board but like you, I thought it might be my imagination.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on March 03, 2014, 09:05:03 pm
According to the release notes in V1.3, the problem is with very early models but they don't publish a list of specific serial numbers.

When I used it this weekend, I only noticed it when I unplugged certain mics. The RODE NT-1A was the worst. I had several AKG C1000 that made minor clicks and the Countryman DI's and SM-58's seemed to have no issues. I had a mute group set up to mute all but an emcee mic during changeovers.

I do think it is not as bad as it was when I first received the board but like you, I thought it might be my imagination.

I just read the firmware release notes again for the V1.3 release. It does state that the problem is with condenser mics and to turn off the 48v before plugging in or unplugging. However, I feel it has happened with my dynamics too (my 58's). But like I said, I haven't noticed it recently (since the firmware upgrade).....I'm going to pay attention next time I use it..

However, if the fix was simply the firmware update, A & H would have told you and wouldn't be paying for repair right? Or are they just being vigilant because they want to make sure as a courtesy.???
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Marty America on March 03, 2014, 09:11:34 pm
I just read the firmware release notes again for the V1.3 release. It does state that the problem is with condenser mics and to turn off the 48v before plugging in or unplugging. However, I feel it has happened with my dynamics too (my 58's). But like I said, I haven't noticed it recently (since the firmware upgrade).....I'm going to pay attention next time I use it..

However, if the fix was simply the firmware update, A & H would have told you and wouldn't be paying for repair right? Or are they just being vigilant because they want to make sure as a courtesy.???
I'm not certain what their motivation might be but I contacted support with my serial number and they passed my info on to their authorized repair facility. They sent me a form to fill out and today they sent me an RMA number along with a shipping label. It left this afternoon. Not sure when I'll get it back but they said it's a simple fix.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on March 03, 2014, 10:23:29 pm
I'm not certain what their motivation might be but I contacted support with my serial number and they passed my info on to their authorized repair facility. They sent me a form to fill out and today they sent me an RMA number along with a shipping label. It left this afternoon. Not sure when I'll get it back but they said it's a simple fix.

Good to know they have handled this well. I am pleased I bought the QU16....the high level of customer support is well documented...
Title: Some Questions for Qu-16 users
Post by: Geoff Doane on March 14, 2014, 11:06:32 am
I'm looking at adding a new small digital console to my inventory soon, and at the moment, the QU-16 looks like the most likely candidate.

I've read through all 20 pages of this thread, as well as downloading and skimming the relevant parts of the owners manual and the block diagram.  It appears that the most recent firmware (1.3) may have addressed some of the early concerns expressed in this thread.  Can anybody using the current firmware confirm any of these points?

1. Is Tap Tempo now available on the iPad app?  The manual indicates that it is, but apparently it wasn't available earlier in the product's life.

2. Are FX1 and FX2 the only buses that can be assigned to a mute group?  I like to be able to mute the sends going to FX rather than the returns (gated reverb is sooo '80s).  That will work for two FX (which is probably fine), but not the other two.

3. Can mono channels be stereo linked?  I found a reference to that in the pan pot section (6.7), but it's unclear whether than refers to channels that are already stereo pairs, or channels that you have paired yourself.

4. Is there a way to apply a HPF to output buses?  They have PEQ and GEQ, but you appear to only have the option of peaking or shelving for the outside bands' shapes.  A HPF in the GEQ would work too, but if it's there, I couldn't find it.  This is useful for outputs which are basically copies of the main mix, but need reduced low end (front fill, delay speakers, etc.).

Thanks,

GTD
Title: Re: Some Questions for Qu-16 users
Post by: mike mullin on March 14, 2014, 03:30:54 pm
Hi Geoff,
1. Don't know for sure but I think you can access tap tempo from the iPad.
2. You can mute all 4 returns, but at this point not the sends.
3. Yes they can be linked, in the processing section for each channel.
4. not a proper high pass but you can create a high pass of sorts in the PEQ

This is a great sounding, powerful little mixer with a great future (software upgrades)

cheers,
Mike



I'm looking at adding a new small digital console to my inventory soon, and at the moment, the QU-16 looks like the most likely candidate.

I've read through all 20 pages of this thread, as well as downloading and skimming the relevant parts of the owners manual and the block diagram.  It appears that the most recent firmware (1.3) may have addressed some of the early concerns expressed in this thread.  Can anybody using the current firmware confirm any of these points?

1. Is Tap Tempo now available on the iPad app?  The manual indicates that it is, but apparently it wasn't available earlier in the product's life.

2. Are FX1 and FX2 the only buses that can be assigned to a mute group?  I like to be able to mute the sends going to FX rather than the returns (gated reverb is sooo '80s).  That will work for two FX (which is probably fine), but not the other two.

3. Can mono channels be stereo linked?  I found a reference to that in the pan pot section (6.7), but it's unclear whether than refers to channels that are already stereo pairs, or channels that you have paired yourself.

4. Is there a way to apply a HPF to output buses?  They have PEQ and GEQ, but you appear to only have the option of peaking or shelving for the outside bands' shapes.  A HPF in the GEQ would work too, but if it's there, I couldn't find it.  This is useful for outputs which are basically copies of the main mix, but need reduced low end (front fill, delay speakers, etc.).

Thanks,

GTD
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Title: Re: Some Questions for Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on March 14, 2014, 11:54:10 pm
I'm looking at adding a new small digital console to my inventory soon, and at the moment, the QU-16 looks like the most likely candidate.

I've read through all 20 pages of this thread, as well as downloading and skimming the relevant parts of the owners manual and the block diagram.  It appears that the most recent firmware (1.3) may have addressed some of the early concerns expressed in this thread.  Can anybody using the current firmware confirm any of these points?

1. Is Tap Tempo now available on the iPad app?  The manual indicates that it is, but apparently it wasn't available earlier in the product's life.

2. Are FX1 and FX2 the only buses that can be assigned to a mute group?  I like to be able to mute the sends going to FX rather than the returns (gated reverb is sooo '80s).  That will work for two FX (which is probably fine), but not the other two.

3. Can mono channels be stereo linked?  I found a reference to that in the pan pot section (6.7), but it's unclear whether than refers to channels that are already stereo pairs, or channels that you have paired yourself.

4. Is there a way to apply a HPF to output buses?  They have PEQ and GEQ, but you appear to only have the option of peaking or shelving for the outside bands' shapes.  A HPF in the GEQ would work too, but if it's there, I couldn't find it.  This is useful for outputs which are basically copies of the main mix, but need reduced low end (front fill, delay speakers, etc.).

Thanks,

GTD

No tap tempo in the Qu-pad app yet.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: John Cotter on March 15, 2014, 10:18:51 pm
Hi folks.  Sorry for the newbie method of posting, but I found no other way. 

Any of you Qu users in the southern Illinois or St. Louis area?  If so, please contact happydogaudio@gmail.com

Thanks!
john
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Michael Kim on March 20, 2014, 02:46:20 pm
Does anybody use a gooseneck talkback mic with their Qu-16?

Right now I use a extra mic with a cable, but find it slows down my mixing because I need to hold it plus hold the talkback button, which makes it difficult to adjust while talking back.

I'm worried that because the input is in the back, a 18" gooseneck wouldn't be long enough (and some might not be flexible enough).

Thanks,
Michael
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: John Cotter on March 30, 2014, 01:56:32 am
Hi folks.
Where is the best place to post for discussions with other QU owners/users?  Not wanna be's or off topic/thread, just fellow QU owners?
Thanks,
john
Happy Dog Audio
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: John Cotter on March 30, 2014, 02:02:06 am
Does anybody use a gooseneck talkback mic with their Qu-16?

Right now I use a extra mic with a cable, but find it slows down my mixing because I need to hold it plus hold the talkback button, which makes it difficult to adjust while talking back.

I'm worried that because the input is in the back, a 18" gooseneck wouldn't be long enough (and some might not be flexible enough).

Thanks,
Michael

Either a short heavy weighted stand with boom or a headset.  Get an IPad and you won't need talkback, cause you'll be standing right next to the musicians on stage when you would have been using talkback.

john
Happy Dog Audio

john
Happy Dog Audio
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on March 30, 2014, 01:33:36 pm
Hi folks.
Where is the best place to post for discussions with other QU owners/users?  Not wanna be's or off topic/thread, just fellow QU owners?
Thanks,
john
Happy Dog Audio


http://community.allen-heath.com/forums/forum/qu
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on March 30, 2014, 01:58:10 pm
Does anybody use a gooseneck talkback mic with their Qu-16?

Right now I use a extra mic with a cable, but find it slows down my mixing because I need to hold it plus hold the talkback button, which makes it difficult to adjust while talking back.

I'm worried that because the input is in the back, a 18" gooseneck wouldn't be long enough (and some might not be flexible enough).

Thanks,
Michael



Michael...

Do you use your Qu free-standing or in a case?

I have used a gooseneck mic with a double-articulation ( AKG  gN50) and it's fine.  If you're using yours in a case, consider adding an XLR connector to the case in a spot which will work with the mic you want to use.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on March 30, 2014, 02:03:15 pm
Either a short heavy weighted stand with boom or a headset.  Get an IPad and you won't need talkback, cause you'll be standing right next to the musicians on stage when you would have been using talkback.

john
Happy Dog Audio

john
Happy Dog Audio

John...

That's all well and good, but there are other uses for the talkback which cannot be addressed with an iPad.  And when/if you need to speak to the talent during a set, walking out on stage with your iPad is not an option you want to take, especially if they're using IEM's.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Michael Kim on March 30, 2014, 11:49:21 pm
Free standing for now, but will be getting a case soon. Luckily, because of the slant of the mixer, I'm sure I'll be able to leave the gooseneck attached. If not, popping it in and out shouln't be a big deal. Just wanted to see what people were using. Is the first articulation point long enough to get around the curve of the mixer?

Any thoughts on your model vs. the slightly longer GN 50E? (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/204573-REG/AKG_2765_Z_00090_GN50E_22_4_Gooseneck.html)

-Michael

Michael...

Do you use your Qu free-standing or in a case?

I have used a gooseneck mic with a double-articulation ( AKG  gN50) and it's fine.  If you're using yours in a case, consider adding an XLR connector to the case in a spot which will work with the mic you want to use.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on April 03, 2014, 04:09:28 pm
Allen & Heath just released firmware 1.4!

Take a look at: http://www.allen-heath.com/ahproducts/qu-16/

From their site:
V1.4 adds support of USB streaming to / from Windows computers and introduces several new features including User Permissions, per scene Recall Filters, and FX User Libraries.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: John Cotter on April 03, 2014, 11:27:01 pm
John...

That's all well and good, but there are other uses for the talkback which cannot be addressed with an iPad.  And when/if you need to speak to the talent during a set, walking out on stage with your iPad is not an option you want to take, especially if they're using IEM's.

Dick,
I wholeheartedly agree with the continuing need for a talkback.  My point is that with the ability to be on stage while configuring monitors during the sound check, using an IPad, the need for a talkback is greatly reduced.  I just leave mine laying  along side the mixer and rarely, if ever ,use it once the show starts.

John
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: David Simpson on April 25, 2014, 11:33:48 pm
I ordered my QU-16 today. I just wanted to say thank you all for this thread. Even though I was able to demo the board for a week, the comments herein were helpful in making my final decision. I am looking forward to getting the board!

~Dave
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Tim Padrick on April 26, 2014, 11:33:47 pm
It's a lot easier to lose excess gooseneck than it is to stretch one that's too short.

I've yet to find a baby condenser that worked well as close as one needs to use a talkback, even with a good windscreen and a lot of EQ to compensate for proximity effect.  I have a $5 garage sale 58 style mic that works better for the task.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: George Wieggers on April 29, 2014, 01:58:25 am
I'm trying to use USB B audio streaming with Windows. The goal is to play music with Spotify on my Windows laptop, and send it directly over USB to the Qu 16. Using the new drivers, and the new 1.40 firmware, I succeeded and managed to get a signal on input channels 1 and 2.

However, in my current setup, these channels are already used for other purposes (lead vocals).

Has anyone managed to reroute audio from the PC, from Spotify, to other input channels than 1 and 2?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Matthew Kennedy on June 17, 2014, 11:41:30 pm
I'm trying to use USB B audio streaming with Windows. The goal is to play music with Spotify on my Windows laptop, and send it directly over USB to the Qu 16. Using the new drivers, and the new 1.40 firmware, I succeeded and managed to get a signal on input channels 1 and 2.

However, in my current setup, these channels are already used for other purposes (lead vocals).

Has anyone managed to reroute audio from the PC, from Spotify, to other input channels than 1 and 2?

I just read about this on the A&H Forum.  I haven't tried this in Windows yet for myself.
EDIT:  I should have read the manual.  Known Issue:
"Dynamic map of Windows WDM outputs is not supported. Windows stereo output is routed to CH1-2 on the mixer." 

Quote from: Nicola A&H

Hi,

to play back from the Mac to ST1 you need to route audio to Qu-16 streaming ch 17&18.
http://community.allen-heath.com/forums/topic/usb-streaming-usb-b
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Keith Broughton on June 18, 2014, 07:17:35 am
This may be old news but new to me.
AH is releasing a digital head for the QU16 with 16 in and 8 out.
AB168
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: frank kayser on June 18, 2014, 06:30:24 pm
This may be old news but new to me.
AH is releasing a digital head for the QU16 with 16 in and 8 out.
AB168


Be REALLY interesting to see the price point on the AB168.
So to keep my imagination in check, any reason the price could be (Possibly? Hopefully?) lower than their other Dsnake offerings?
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on June 18, 2014, 07:30:37 pm

Be REALLY interesting to see the price point on the AB168.
So to keep my imagination in check, any reason the price could be (Possibly? Hopefully?) lower than their other Dsnake offerings?

MSRP of $1599.00, probably selling for $1399.00.  This is all the info I have so far.  US delivery date likely in time for Christmas...
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Rob Spence on June 18, 2014, 08:28:37 pm
MSRP of $1599.00, probably selling for $1399.00.  This is all the info I have so far.  US delivery date likely in time for Christmas...

Funny it isn't named AR168 to be consistent with the other two?
A pair of them for a GLD would be a more useful configuration than the 2412 & 84.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Keith Broughton on June 19, 2014, 06:38:22 am

Be REALLY interesting to see the price point on the AB168.
So to keep my imagination in check, any reason the price could be (Possibly? Hopefully?) lower than their other Dsnake offerings?
Looks like dealer in Canada is $1100
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Jeff Foster on June 19, 2014, 02:36:39 pm
Funny it isn't named AR168 to be consistent with the other two?
A pair of them for a GLD would be a more useful configuration than the 2412 & 84.


Maybe that's because it's not a rack unit but a separate box.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Harry Harris on June 28, 2014, 03:30:40 pm
Maybe that's because it's not a rack unit but a separate box.

AB stands for Audio Box. Here's a short vid on youtube from an A&H Sales VP, at InfoComm 2014:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7OryJAHiw
Title: Posting Rules
Post by: Mac Kerr on June 28, 2014, 08:06:15 pm
AB stands for Audio Box.

Please go to your profile and change the "Name" field to your real first and last name as required by the posting rules displayed in the header at the top of the section, and in the Site Rules and Suggestions (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,36.0.html) in the Forum Announcements section, and on the registration page when you registered.

Mac
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Harry Harris on June 29, 2014, 05:38:23 pm
Please go to your profile and change the "Name" field to your real first and last name as required by the posting rules displayed in the header at the top of the section, and in the Site Rules and Suggestions (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,36.0.html) in the Forum Announcements section, and on the registration page when you registered.

Mac
Name Change made.
Title: Re: Qu-16 users
Post by: Harry Harris on June 30, 2014, 10:55:06 am
Oh, here is a link from A&H that shows how the Qu-series and the GLD-series support dsnake set-ups with the AB168, AR2412 & AR84, etc.:
http://community.allen-heath.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Qu-and-GLD-supported-dsnake-systems.pdf

And by the way, I don't work for A&H, I'm just a 60+ year old guy who does sound for his own band. I'm looking for a lightweight replacement for a rolling rack case filled with MixWiz-DriveRack-2xdbx1231/2xdBxAFS224/16x8 IO Panel (150lb?) and I've been reading about the Qu-16 for a few weeks. So far, the Qu-16 sounds pretty good!

I appreciate all of the good info from this forum, too.

Thanks, HH