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Title: Access to old forums?
Post by: Michael John on January 09, 2011, 05:30:37 pm
Hi,

I just discovered the new forum and I had to re-apply for an account. Fair enough... However I've just spent a lot of time trawling through threads (new and old) about what will happen to old content.

Can someone please explain why all the old content can't be kept: either as it is now but with read-only access, or migrated into the new forum? It seems crazy to loose all the old and valuable discussions.

Cheers,
Michael Smithers
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Adam Wh3tham on January 09, 2011, 07:24:36 pm
This has already been discussed quite a bit in the basement of the old PSW forums... (http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/63604/15574/) With multiple people with experience and knowledge on how to do it chiming in.

The powers that be are apparently not interested in being told how to do their job. and thus would like to start out with a clean slate here and pretend its a feat of super strength to deal with data migration.

Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Michael John on January 10, 2011, 03:42:47 am
Thanks. I just read through the whole thread. Frustrating!
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 10, 2011, 12:11:41 pm
This has already been discussed quite a bit in the basement of the old PSW forums... (http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/63604/15574/) With multiple people with experience and knowledge on how to do it chiming in.

The powers that be are apparently not interested in being told how to do their job. and thus would like to start out with a clean slate here and pretend its a feat of super strength to deal with data migration.

That's an understatement.  It amazes me that EH Pub would essentially throw us under the bus, but it is what it is... and I think a number of long time posters will drop out, just like the last go-round.

Bah, humbug.
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Randy Frierson on January 10, 2011, 09:28:18 pm
It seems like every so many years psw changes and we lose some of our folks, last time we really lost some real talent, it will probably be the same this time...i wish I understood why the change was needed especially when it does not seem to be better...making us resign in was a waste as it seems we all start over again and we lost the history that we all have developed for many years.  It's SAD..mu 02 cents
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: No Name on January 12, 2011, 03:28:50 pm
That's an understatement.  It amazes me that EH Pub would essentially throw us under the bus, but it is what it is... and I think a number of long time posters will drop out, just like the last go-round.

Bah, humbug.

It seems that way.  I wonder if they have ever heard the phrase 'The customer is always right...'

Oh well, I guess we'll have to live with it.

Adam
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Doug Fowler on January 12, 2011, 07:10:18 pm
It seems that way.  I wonder if they have ever heard the phrase 'The customer is always right...'

Oh well, I guess we'll have to live with it.

Adam

I suppose you all missed the announcement about preserving the old forums in a searchable fashion.

These new forums are still in TESTING mode.  This is far from finished.
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Randy Frierson on January 13, 2011, 12:22:51 am
In any way does this seem to be better?  Can a moderator find out the why in all of this?  If I was a advertiser I'd be reassessing my ad dollars...  R
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Brad Weber on January 13, 2011, 07:36:03 am
I suppose you all missed the announcement about preserving the old forums in a searchable fashion.

These new forums are still in TESTING mode.  This is far from finished.
Doug, it was probably missed by many because it was addressed in the old forum, which have been so slow that many have probably given up on them.  I'm not sure why something was not posted here as well.

What is going to happen with current discussions on the old forum when the frorum is shut down?  Are you going to have a nice discussion going only to have it terminated and be limited to being searched but not continued?  When the old forum is no longer available it would be nice to bring over any threads that had activity in the past few days.
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Christian Tepfer on January 13, 2011, 10:12:31 am
My feeling is to have a lot of information about the transition, scattered around 2 forums and many sub-forums. There are some false assumptions from that here and there.

An official statement, readable everywhere, would help.

Not herding new people to the new forums, without even notifying them about the wealth of searchable information in the old forums, would help.

I am aware of the fact that a transition is never easy, inside and outside. However, I can only comment on the outside situation, that feels like mentioned above.

PS: the captcha is a no-go, every post involves a little guesswork. Please lose it.
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Doug Fowler on January 13, 2011, 11:04:02 am
My feeling is to have a lot of information about the transition, scattered around 2 forums and many sub-forums. There are some false assumptions from that here and there.

An official statement, readable everywhere, would help.

Not herding new people to the new forums, without even notifying them about the wealth of searchable information in the old forums, would help.

I am aware of the fact that a transition is never easy, inside and outside. However, I can only comment on the outside situation, that feels like mentioned above.

PS: the captcha is a no-go, every post involves a little guesswork. Please lose it.

I believe Chad is looking at Captcha or similar at registration in order to avoid re-authentication each time one posts.

This site was not supposed to be revealed to the entire community, only to chosen testers, but it got unleashed anyway. In no way should this site be considered live, or in its final form.  This is still a test site.

The decision to make old content accessible is very recent.  Ultimately there will be a link or other method to access old content, but since the 'old content' is still live that method does not yet exist.

Thanks Christian...

Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Doug Fowler on January 13, 2011, 11:13:47 am
Yeah I did, given that I posted here about two or three times a month (usually looking for support on a technical issue) I was not what you would call a major poster here. That being said, it wasn't that hard for PSW to show enough professionalism to send us PM's to advise of the upcoming change a few weeks in advance. I did check that regularly.

Very bad form PSW. At least you could have NOTIFIED US ACCOUNT HOLDERS FIRST!!!???

Anyways, I'm not sure how (or if it's even possible) to find old content (because that's what made this forum relevant to me anyways) but if they can't work that content into this "new and improved" forum they can pretty much count my random posts out from future content.

Somehow I'm reminded of all the great manufacturers that tried to improve their legacy products in the 80's only to watch the new stuff tank and their old stuff appreciate in value. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

My $.02.
Dusk

Go to your profile and use your full name to post on the SR forums.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Dave Stevens on January 13, 2011, 02:27:58 pm
Christian is talking about the captcha on the post thread.  Poor UI.  We are already logged in.

Let me say, this is a real embarassement, not only for the current owners but for me to have such a great resource treated in such a manner.  I don't know who is making the decisions but the lack of respect for the community is appalling.  While I know, perhaps better than anyone here, the effort and expense to keep this train on the track the number one rule of a strong community has been breached.  The community has lost confidence in the operators due to a lack of respect.

It's completely disrespectful to the community that no one other that the mods have come forward with a statement.  The fact that the idea of deep sixing the existing content was even stated in public shows me that the persons calling the shots at EH have no respect for the community or have any idea as the culture or educational value of the content.  This NEVER would have happened at Moving Parts Media, Universal Concept or Huge Universe. For fuck sake there isn't even an apology for the grief that's been caused.  Those companies had people in executive and managerial roles that understood the culture of the community with some having firsthand experience in the craft.

EH really stepped on their collective dicks in golf shoes.  The real test will be to see if they've fractured the community in a way that is not repairable.

Dave
Title: Re: Access to old forums?
Post by: Mack McLaughlin on January 15, 2011, 08:28:43 am
It just makes me happy that the old content will at least be searchable.  What a treasure trove of information and it would have been a shame to see it have gone away.

That makes for a good morning for me.   Thanks Doug.