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Title: drum reverb unit
Post by: Brent Gillespie on January 25, 2012, 04:24:41 pm
I've been using an entry level  Digitech Reverb unit  for  snare & toms through the years.  Never having used a really nice unit,  what  general improvements would be perceptible  in a   $500-$700.00  device besides being maybe more user friendly ?  Cheers,  Brent
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Jay Barracato on January 25, 2012, 04:51:06 pm
I've been using an entry level  Digitech Reverb unit  for  snare & toms through the years.  Never having used a really nice unit,  what  general improvements would be perceptible  in a   $500-$700.00  device besides being maybe more user friendly ?  Cheers,  Brent

I think the higher you go in unit quality the more likely you are to drown in user definable variables. Probably not as user friendly unless you have gobs of soundcheck time or production rehearsal.

Honestly for drums I am perfectly happy with a TC electronic M350.
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Brent Gillespie on January 25, 2012, 05:41:15 pm
I think the higher you go in unit quality the more likely you are to drown in user definable variables. Probably not as user friendly unless you have gobs of soundcheck time or production rehearsal.

Honestly for drums I am perfectly happy with a TC electronic M350.
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Jay, thank you for the repsonse.  What typical settings do you prefer ?  Such as plate, room, hall, etc. ?te]
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on January 25, 2012, 05:54:04 pm
I think the higher you go in unit quality the more likely you are to drown in user definable variables. Probably not as user friendly unless you have gobs of soundcheck time or production rehearsal.

Honestly for drums I am perfectly happy with a TC electronic M350.
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Jay, thank you for the repsonse.  What typical settings do you prefer ?  Such as plate, room, hall, etc. ?te]

You could start by trying the factory presets labeled "Drum Room" or "Drum Ambience."
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Jay Barracato on January 25, 2012, 06:04:38 pm
I think the higher you go in unit quality the more likely you are to drown in user definable variables. Probably not as user friendly unless you have gobs of soundcheck time or production rehearsal.

Honestly for drums I am perfectly happy with a TC electronic M350.
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Jay, thank you for the repsonse.  What typical settings do you prefer ?  Such as plate, room, hall, etc. ?te]

I tend to be a minimalist. I like to set my verbs at the level where you would notice if they were missing but they are not in the forefront of the sound. If I have the channels to put separate effects on each instrument, I tend to use plate reverbs. I also like a variable high pass so I can keep the reverb from adding to any low end mud that might be in the mix. I also tend to chop the eq fairly hard at the higher frequencies. I don't think having the higher frequencies in the reverb sounds very natural.
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 25, 2012, 06:13:27 pm
I've been using an entry level  Digitech Reverb unit  for  snare & toms through the years.  Never having used a really nice unit,  what  general improvements would be perceptible  in a   $500-$700.00  device besides being maybe more user friendly ?  Cheers,  Brent

Yamaha SPX900 or SPX1000, Lexicon LXP-15 or PCM60.
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Jordan Wolf on January 25, 2012, 08:43:38 pm
I've been using an entry level  Digitech Reverb unit  for  snare & toms through the years.  Never having used a really nice unit,  what  general improvements would be perceptible  in a   $500-$700.00  device besides being maybe more user friendly ?  Cheers,  Brent
Brent,

Whatever unit you get should have an adjustable Pre-Delay (http://www.sweetwater.com/expert-center/glossary/t--Pre-delay).  Using Jay's method with a judicious use of pre-delay will lend clarity to both the original sound and the effect itself, self, self, self.....  ;D
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Tim Weaver on January 25, 2012, 09:13:42 pm
There is none finer. Plus I can guarantee you won't get lost in the menus. LOL


(http://www.3m79.com/MARS/Projects/outboard/LEXICON/PCM%2060/PCM-60-top0014.jpg)
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Geoff Doane on January 25, 2012, 10:22:53 pm
Yamaha SPX900 or SPX1000, Lexicon LXP-15 or PCM60.

Real vintage!  I don't think there's anything in that list less than 20 years old.  8)

Speaking of old, do Lexicon 200s ever show up for sale at affordable prices?  I've used one in studio settings before, and it has quite a user friendly (for me anyway) interface.  Your choice of parameters is basically limited to room size (affects pre-delay and time between echos), reverb time (how "live" the space is), and LF and HF contours.  The parameters all interact, but I found it quite intuitive to get the deisred sound.  I think it's limited in memories and things like MIDI control, but it does the reverb trick.  It also used up 3 rack spaces!

One problem with older Lexicon products is that they are no longer supported by Harman (even things as modern as the PCM-80 and 90), and the one guy who did work on them has retired from the business.  I know the PCM-60 falls into that category, and wouldn't be surprised if many others do.

GTD
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 26, 2012, 03:07:10 am
Real vintage!  I don't think there's anything in that list less than 20 years old.  8)
GTD

The first "vintage" thing on the list is me. ;)
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Mike Caldwell on January 26, 2012, 11:05:05 pm
Yep the PCM60! Just used mine on drums last week. There a little noisy by todays standards but reverb sound and ease of use make up the difference. I got mine in the mid 80's from the original owner.
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Lee Douglas on January 26, 2012, 11:55:08 pm
Yep the PCM60! Just used mine on drums last week. There a little noisy by todays standards but reverb sound and ease of use make up the difference. I got mine in the mid 80's from the original owner.

I've always got a Lexicon in the rack for this purpose, but for the right band and the right situation my favorite little guilty pleasure is a Roland SRV-2000.  Something about it just sound like the 80's and works for some situations.  Definitely not subtle or refined by any stretch.

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Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Tim McCulloch on January 27, 2012, 12:37:58 am
I've always got a Lexicon in the rack for this purpose, but for the right band and the right situation my favoirte little guitly pleasure is a Roland SRV-2000.  Something about it just sound like the 80's and works for some situations.  Definitely not subtle or refined by any stretch.

Another guilty pleasure from the same era, but because it was the opposite of Roland (and the big halls were stunning).... the Ibanez SDR-1000.  It was built by Sony for Ibanez.  I love Lexicon but the Ibanez had a very flattering & natural sound for the era and was less money.
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Lee Douglas on January 27, 2012, 01:45:03 am
Another guilty pleasure from the same era, but because it was the opposite of Roland (and the big halls were stunning).... the Ibanez SDR-1000

I think I may know where one of those is!  It will be mine... Oh, yes... :)
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: John Chiara on January 30, 2012, 12:19:19 am
I think I may know where one of those is!  It will be mine... Oh, yes... :)

Roland SRV 330 or 3030.....
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: Jeff Bankston on January 30, 2012, 05:26:44 am
thanks for the reverb info
Title: Re: drum reverb unit
Post by: chris johnson on February 05, 2012, 06:07:51 am
ive had good luck with a yamaha rev500 and using the drum plates. easy unit to use.