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Title: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Steve (Stevie Ray) Kalbach on December 09, 2011, 09:27:19 am
For mobile applications...ie Mobile DJ etc.

http://www.dts-lighting.com/Professional

Watch the video for the JACK
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Jeffhtg (Jeff Kenney) on December 09, 2011, 09:41:49 am
For mobile applications...ie Mobile DJ etc.

http://www.dts-lighting.com/Professional

Watch the video for the JACK

nope.. no handles on the yoke
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Steve (Stevie Ray) Kalbach on December 09, 2011, 09:49:06 am
What o you mean, I see handles.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Tim Weaver on December 09, 2011, 10:42:57 am
What o you mean, I see handles.

Not on the yoke.

I'd like to see how bright this thing is. On the video it looks like the wide end of the zoom loses a lot of brightness and the color temp changes.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Steve (Stevie Ray) Kalbach on December 09, 2011, 11:06:54 am
I have never seen a handle in a small 20 moving head on the yoke before.  Is it more common on large 50+ lb lights?
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Colelofink on December 09, 2011, 01:40:59 pm
I like the features, especially the Powercon and having both 3 and 5pin make it great for rentals. The light weight is a huge plus.

I'm not really impressed with the video, I would love to see some shots of it being used outdoors with other fixtures and 1K pars to see how well it would cut through a bright stage wash.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Steve (Stevie Ray) Kalbach on December 09, 2011, 02:38:59 pm
Here is some video from LDI.

http://youtu.be/llxDn2yMh0E?hd=1
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: James Feenstra on December 11, 2011, 12:18:23 am
No cmy...what goods a light that doesn't color mix?

If its over $3000 msrp, it's a dimmer Mac 550 with more features (zoom), and even the 550s are pretty damn good lights
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 12, 2011, 03:06:19 am
Yuk!  Only 8 colors and 1 color wheel. It needs at least 2 color wheels, or better yet color mixing for me to be interested.

Unless the price is like $750, for me the limited color range is a total bust.

Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Steve (Stevie Ray) Kalbach on December 12, 2011, 09:14:01 am
I don't know.  The stats on the website say

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Colour generation
* 18-colour wheel with linear selection for perfect 2-colour beams

18 colors is def better than 8 colors.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: John Strzalkowski on December 12, 2011, 01:16:29 pm
I wonder if they count the split colors as a color in that count of 18.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: duane massey on December 12, 2011, 05:49:45 pm
And this fixture is superior to, say... this one?
http://www.elationlighting.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ItemNumber=1752&MainId=1&Category=Moving%20Head

...which does have CMY.

JACK has an 8-color wheel, which means they are counting split colors as well as full colors and white to come up with 18 colors. That's pretty bogus marketing BS.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Steve (Stevie Ray) Kalbach on December 12, 2011, 06:21:21 pm
Duane,
When I came across it, I thought it was pretty impressive, and I thought wow at 23 lbs, very friendly for a mobile DJ (like I mentioned in the first line of the first post).  A 50 lb mover is pretty difficult to handle when you have to setup and rig by yourself.  The Jack by it's specs is also brighter.  Spec for spec I think overall the 5R pro is more impressive. 

PS. I do have ties to the ADJ family of companies, as I am an administrator for their forums.  I just usually do not start threads on their products, as some people on other forums, have come down on me saying I am pushing product.  Saying all that, Elation has some very interesting heads on the way.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: James Feenstra on December 12, 2011, 09:04:40 pm
And this fixture is superior to, say... this one?
http://www.elationlighting.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ItemNumber=1752&MainId=1&Category=Moving%20Head

...which does have CMY.

JACK has an 8-color wheel, which means they are counting split colors as well as full colors and white to come up with 18 colors. That's pretty bogus marketing BS.
I've never understood why companies are building lights with CMY AND a color wheel in them...if it's got CMY you don't need the wheel.

Leaving that out would save money, weight and channels without taking anything away from the fixture!
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: Steve (Stevie Ray) Kalbach on December 12, 2011, 09:55:15 pm
It's probably due to the fact that for some colors CMY mixing greatly REDUCES the output of the fixture.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: mark lonow on December 13, 2011, 06:01:39 am
It's probably due to the fact that for some colors CMY mixing greatly REDUCES the output of the fixture.

color consistency is greater on color wheelz in big rigs and older/overused  fixtures vs cym

color bouncing  say red to no color is a difrent look  on cym vs a color  wheel with then 2 colors next to each other on a wheel

that said i do agree with jamses cut the 2nd gobo wheel, 2nd color,  prisum,the difuser   get me  cym on the low end of fixtures

my fav cym small guy  still is
http://www.coemar.com/prodotti_dettaglio.aspx?flag=eng&str_navigazione=&cerca=&id_categorie=105&page=1&id_prodotti=305

 
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: James Feenstra on December 13, 2011, 03:16:37 pm
the features I'd like to see on a 250w moving light (aka mac 250 entour) would be;

CMY
Iris
1 Rotating gobo wheel w/ 9-10 slots and GOOD gobos for arial effects

anything else is pretty much bonus

as for colour wheel vs cmy, well, yeah I see the point, but really, how often does one use the wheel over the cmy in a colour mixing fixture? I've never seen reason to use it...if I want a fixture to say, colour scroll (the biggest advantage to having a colour wheel), it's still relatively simple to program using a CMY engine. Does take some extra work though.

I'd still rather loose the colour wheel though...especially when across 12-16 fixtures that's a fair bit of weight and a fixtures worth of channels. When you're restricted by things like console output and in house rigging, it can make a difference.
Title: Re: The worlds first perfect moving head?
Post by: duane massey on December 13, 2011, 06:09:00 pm
Steve, I am an independent contractor with a long history in the past with High End, ADJ/Elation, Chauvet, Robe, Coemar, etc, through my former employer (Core Systems). I am very partial to ADJ/Elation, as they have products and service that fit most of my particular clients' needs, and their service department has been decent as well. Virtually none of the mobile DJ's in this area are in the financial levels where a fixture of this magnitude would be appropriate, but I can see the appeal to operators that have a better (re: higher $$) market to work in.

I do tend to call "bulls***" when marketing claims are misleading. Probably why I'm not in politics.
At the very least they could have a link to the fixture manual.
Title: The Wheel
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 18, 2011, 03:00:36 am
There are a few good reasons to have a color wheel AND color mixing in the same unit.

The first and obvious to guys who do video and IMAG is that the wheel can contain color correction filters and allow you to match up the moving head with the static wash lighting  color temp. The second and not so obvious is that the wheel can give you different colors in combination with the CMY that you can't get by using the CMY alone.  Last, the wheel can give you colors that CMY cannot produce, like darker greens, indigo or congo blues, or blacklight effects.

And of course, many wheels can do split colors, and can scroll, giving a different look than the fades and snaps from CMY color systems.

Already mentioned is color consistancy between units. While well maintained color mixing units should all be the same color, slight variations in the position of the wheels or indexing can result in different colors between units. Also, if you want to perfectly match a certain gel or dichro color, you can order one from various manufacturers and have the exact color you want in the wheel.
 
Not saying that many manufacturers actually load the wheel with how I want them to, but at least the end user can take advantage of the wheel if they choose to.

One trick I do is to get some custom color "crushed Dichros" that have multicolor chips and put them in the wheel. Great for multi-color pattern projections of abstracts on the back wall.

Craig