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Title: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Zack Slater on February 28, 2010, 10:51:12 pm
I'll be heading out with the band "Just Kait" who is opening for the Honor Society on my first national tour.  Anyone have any insight on these places?  Any info is much appreciated!

3/19/10 St. Petersburg, FL – State Theatre
3/21/10 Ft. Lauderdale, FL – Culture Room
3/22/10 Orlando, FL – The Social
3/24/10 New Orleans, LA – House Of Blues
3/25/10 Houston, TX – House Of Blues
3/26/10 San Antonio, TX – White Rabbit
3/28/10 Dallas, TX – House Of Blues
3/31/10 Scottsdale, AZ – Martini Ranch
4/2/10 San Francisco, CA – Great American Music Hall
4/3/10 Los Angeles, CA – Club Nokia
4/6/10 Denver, CO – Marquis Theater
4/7/10 Kansas City, MO – Beaumont
4/8/10 St. Louis, MO – The Old Rock House
4/9/10 Milwaukee, WI – The Rave
4/11/10 Pontiac, MI – Eagles Theater
4/13/10 Minneapolis, MN – Varsity
4/16/10 Chicago, IL – House Of Blues
4/17/10 Pittsburgh, PA – Chess-A-Rena
4/20/10 Toronto, ON – The Opera House
4/21/10 Cleveland, OH – House Of Blues
4/22/10 Philadelphia, PA – Theatre Of Living Arts
4/24/10 New York, NY – Nokia Theater
4/25/10 Norfolk, VA – NorVa
4/26/10 Washington, DC – Rock And Roll Hotel
4/27/10 New Haven, CT – Toad’s Place
4/29/10 Allentown, PA – Crocodile Rock
5/1/10 Montreal, QC – TBA
5/2/10 Boston, MA – House Of Blues
5/4/10 Charlotte, NC – The Fillmore
5/5/10 Raleigh, NC – Lincoln Theater
5/7/10 Nashville, TN – TBA
5/8/10 Atlanta, GA – The Loft
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on February 28, 2010, 11:13:02 pm
3/19/10 St. Petersburg, FL – State Theatre
3/21/10 Ft. Lauderdale, FL – Culture Room
3/22/10 Orlando, FL – The Social
3/24/10 New Orleans, LA – House Of Blues


3/25/10 Houston, TX – House Of Blues - Soundbridge OYXN rig with a Soundcraft VI6 out front. Load in via freight elevator. Lots of stairs. 7 flights of stairs from the dressing room to the bus. Crew is pretty bad. Room sounds ok, PA is an icepick.


3/26/10 San Antonio, TX – White Rabbit - Small! I forget what's in there, but I've yet to have a good show there.


3/28/10 Dallas, TX – House Of Blues - H2000 out front, with good outboard. Soundbridge OYXN rig again... Haven't been in there since they installed the new rig, but the old XLC system kicked ass.


3/31/10 Scottsdale, AZ – Martini Ranch

4/2/10 San Francisco, CA – Great American Music Hall

4/3/10 Los Angeles, CA – Club Nokia

4/6/10 Denver, CO – Marquis Theater

4/7/10 Kansas City, MO – Beaumont - Undersized Martin line array with a Midas Verona out front. You'll be lucky to hit 102dBA @ FOH. PA seems to have nothing above 6k, and way too much 500hz.


4/8/10 St. Louis, MO – The Old Rock House

4/9/10 Milwaukee, WI – The Rave - Terrible room when empty. Once it fills up, it's not too bad. They've got 6 L'Acoustic KUDO flown a side, with 4 SB218's a side. PM5000 out front, with Drawmer/dbx outboard. I haven't been in the room since they put the Kudo rig in. Ask if you can get a tour of the place. It's an old ass building that was originally a "rich white gentleman's club."  Check out the pool and boiler room. Walk upstairs and check out the ballroom too. Cool shit.


4/11/10 Pontiac, MI – Eagles Theater
4/13/10 Minneapolis, MN – Varsity

4/16/10 Chicago, IL – House Of Blues - EV X-Array with a H2000 out front. Good place with good people. If your house tech is April, give her shit about needing more subs and how they should have a d&b rig in there. Oh, and you will run out of subs very quick...

4/17/10 Pittsburgh, PA – Chess-A-Rena
4/20/10 Toronto, ON – The Opera House

4/21/10 Cleveland, OH – House Of Blues - EV XLC rig with a H2000 out front. FOH is under a balcony in a bass trap. Take a walk around to really hear the PA.

4/22/10 Philadelphia, PA – Theatre Of Living Arts - TLA! I might have to come up to that show. Clair R3 "line array" with S4's and SB1000's. Midas verona at FOH tucked far under a balcony. You cannot hear the PA at all at FOH. It's not a fun gig. I bring my own FOH console whenever I'm there just so I can put it where I can actually hear the PA...

4/24/10 New York, NY – Nokia Theater - JBL VT4888's with a Midas H2000(I think) out front. Good sounding room. I think there's a dB limit at FOH... Can't remember.

4/25/10 Norfolk, VA – NorVa - 4 v-dosc with 2 dV-dosc flown a side. M7CL out front. Ask for front fills, you'll need them. It's a good sounding PA. The dressing rooms are insane. Hot tub, game room, apartment style dressing rooms. Very artist friendly venue. Load-in sucked last time we were there. They have the street all torn up because they're putting in a light rail... We had to push about 300 yards to the venue. Hopefully it's better for you now.


4/26/10 Washington, DC – Rock And Roll Hotel

4/27/10 New Haven, CT – Toad’s Place - OLD mono PA last time I was in there. A&H ML4000 at FOH. Haven't been there for a few years, so I don't know how the rig is anymore. I had a decent sounding show.

4/29/10 Allentown, PA – Crocodile Rock - This place sucks. 2 KF650e's flown a side with 4 SB1000's per side. Rig is underpowered and limited way too soon. M7CL out front. The house techs stare at the BSS processor the whole show... Touch limit and they tell you to turn it down.  They're clueless. The room sucks. It can be feedback hell if you aren't careful. 315, 630hz and 2k suck. There's no HF left in the boxes either...

5/1/10 Montreal, QC – TBA - Sounds like a winner Wink

5/2/10 Boston, MA – House Of Blues - This place kicks ass. It's the newest HOB, and the largest. Our LD is one of the house LD's there. If you've got Jeff Maker, give him shit all day. You'll have 12 JBL VT4888DP's flown a side, and 6 subs under the deck. Soundcraft VI6 out front. Great sounding room, and PA.

5/4/10 Charlotte, NC – The Fillmore - Another good sounding room. Very new as well. JBL VT4888DP rig, with 3 subs per side. Soundcraft VI6 out front too. Shitty house staff, but you'll have a good gig.

5/5/10 Raleigh, NC – Lincoln Theater - 2 EAW KF850's and 2 SB850's per side. Falling apart Yamaha M3000 at FOH. Haven't been there in 2 years, so it might be better, but I had a pretty shitty show there.

5/7/10 Nashville, TN – TBA
5/8/10 Atlanta, GA – The Loft


Good luck and have fun!



Evan
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Daniel Nickleski on February 28, 2010, 11:55:01 pm
3/19/10 St. Petersburg, FL – State Theatre - Big room with an OLD JBL FOH rig and Soundcraft Spirit at FOH. Doesn't sound to bad though. Monitor rig had some issue, but we worked thru them and show went well

3/21/10 Ft. Lauderdale, FL – Culture Room- This room is pretty cool. EV QRX right and Verona out front. Maybe a DDA on mons? If you band is loud on stage you may run some issues because the stage is surrounded by reflective material... FOH has plenty of headroom though. Owner is a nice guy. He will record the set via DVD if you ask him.

3/24/10 New Orleans, LA – House Of Blues- Ground Stacked EV Xarray rig with H2k out front. Typical HOB setup. Good sounding room. Staff can be easy or rough to deal with. Depends on who you get.

4/9/10 Milwaukee, WI – The Rave - BIG BOOMY ROOM....

4/16/10 Chicago, IL – House Of Blues - One of the better HOB's to mix. Great sounding room. Xarray flown out front with an H2k driving it. Crew is pretty top notch.

4/21/10 Cleveland, OH – House Of Blues- EV XLC with a 2k driving. Great room good staff.

5/8/10 Atlanta, GA – The Loft - Kind of a small PA. Only 1 Xarray short throw cab a side for top and sub. Venice out front (only 24 mono ins...). Mon desk had some issues. Overall it was a good sounding rig, just not enough. Stage was always very small.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Daniel Nickleski on February 28, 2010, 11:59:03 pm
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 22:13

3/19/10

4/24/10 New York, NY – Nokia Theater - JBL VT4888's with a Midas H2000(I think) out front. Good sounding room. I think there's a dB limit at FOH... Can't remember.






Pretty sure it is 115dBc at FOH in all of NYC. At least that is what the guys at the Filmore told me last night.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Adam Robinson on March 01, 2010, 12:02:30 am
I'll add mine in....

Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 22:13

3/19/10 St. Petersburg, FL – State Theatre
3/21/10 Ft. Lauderdale, FL – Culture Room

Small but iconic room.  Two EV QRX boxes per side stacked on top of 3 QRX subs.  The ceiling above the stage is beveled metal panels (a la a 70's disco).  I believe its a Verona out front
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3/22/10 Orlando, FL – The Social

Very shallow (like 10') but wide stage.  FOH is in house left back of room out of throw of PA.  The system is an older proprietary rig, but (besides FOH) serves the room decently well.  I've had many good shows there.  You'll be mixing monitors from FOH.
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3/24/10 New Orleans, LA – House Of Blues
I haven't been since Katrina, but it was a db-installed EV X-Array system.  Last time I was there, the house crew had been playing with the processors a bit and the system was sounding less than stellar.  It's been a while since I've been back, so who knows what's up there now.
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3/25/10 Houston, TX – House Of Blues - Soundbridge OYXN rig with a Soundcraft VI6 out front. Load in via freight elevator. Lots of stairs. 7 flights of stairs from the dressing room to the bus. Crew is pretty bad. Room sounds ok, PA is an icepick.


3/26/10 San Antonio, TX – White Rabbit - Small! I forget what's in there, but I've yet to have a good show there.


3/28/10 Dallas, TX – House Of Blues - H2000 out front, with good outboard. Soundbridge OYXN rig again... Haven't been in there since they installed the new rig, but the old XLC system kicked ass.

I'm admittedly not a fan of XLC, but the XYON rig there isn't bad.  8 tops and 4 double 18 subs per side.  It got good and loud and sounded decent.  For a club like that though, I'd prefer a bit more heft in the air.
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3/31/10 Scottsdale, AZ – Martini Ranch

4/2/10 San Francisco, CA – Great American Music Hall

Great historic room.  Lee, the sound guy there, is a regular poster here.  The rig is 5x Kudo per side and 3x SB118 per side with Lake processing.  I believe they now have an M7 out front.  I've had many great shows there!
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4/3/10 Los Angeles, CA – Club Nokia

JBL VerTec rig.  I haven't been there, but I've heard mixed reviews
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4/6/10 Denver, CO – Marquis Theater

2 Dowlen Sound boxes per side and a mish mosh of subs.  FOH is an older Harrison console that sounds very nice.  The room itself sounds good, too.
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4/7/10 Kansas City, MO – Beaumont - Undersized Martin line array with a Midas Verona out front. You'll be lucky to hit 102dBA @ FOH. PA seems to have nothing above 6k, and way too much 500hz.
 This has since changed.  The system installed there is 3x VerTec 4888 per side with 3x HLA subs per side.  The array is short, but so is ceiling height.  Still, I'd like to see one more box per side and then some delays further back (the room is pretty deep).  As of last summer, FOH was an M7CL and MON was an older Yamaha monitor console.

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4/8/10 St. Louis, MO – The Old Rock House

4/9/10 Milwaukee, WI – The Rave - Terrible room when empty. Once it fills up, it's not too bad. They've got 6 L'Acoustic KUDO flown a side, with 4 SB218's a side. PM5000 out front, with Drawmer/dbx outboard. I haven't been in the room since they put the Kudo rig in. Ask if you can get a tour of the place. It's an old ass building that was originally a "rich white gentleman's club."  Check out the pool and boiler room. Walk upstairs and check out the ballroom too. Cool shit.


I haven't been there since the Kudo rig was installed, but I've always had a great crew there.
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4/11/10 Pontiac, MI – Eagles Theater
4/13/10 Minneapolis, MN – Varsity

Bunch o' Self powered mackie boxes in the air anchored by one Fussion box per side.  Subs are a collection of Mackie and JBL VRX self powered boxes.  Mix position has thankfully been moved to the floor and FOH is now an M7CL.  Unless the promoter makes special arrangements, monitors are from FOH.  The house crew is very nice and helpful and the room sounds pretty good.  It needs a real PA badly, though.
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4/16/10 Chicago, IL – House Of Blues - EV X-Array with a H2000 out front. Good place with good people. If your house tech is April, give her shit about needing more subs and how they should have a d&b rig in there. Oh, and you will run out of subs very quick...

IMO, this is the best sounding HOB even if the subs run out quick.
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4/17/10 Pittsburgh, PA – Chess-A-Rena
4/20/10 Toronto, ON – The Opera House

Groundstacked Adamson Y10 rig.  Monitor sound gets sucked away from performers.  I don't remember what the consoles were - it's been a long time since I've been there, but I remember mixing in this room to be a challenge.
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4/21/10 Cleveland, OH – House Of Blues - EV XLC rig with a H2000 out front. FOH is under a balcony in a bass trap. Take a walk around to really hear the PA.

4/22/10 Philadelphia, PA – Theatre Of Living Arts - TLA! I might have to come up to that show. Clair R3 "line array" with S4's and SB1000's. Midas verona at FOH tucked far under a balcony. You cannot hear the PA at all at FOH. It's not a fun gig. I bring my own FOH console whenever I'm there just so I can put it where I can actually hear the PA...

The last handful of times I've thankfully had my own console.  The house console is in a horrrrrible position.  The crew is awesome though - I've had some great shows there.
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4/24/10 New York, NY – Nokia Theater - JBL VT4888's with a Midas H2000(I think) out front. Good sounding room. I think there's a dB limit at FOH... Can't remember.

4/25/10 Norfolk, VA – NorVa - 4 v-dosc with 2 dV-dosc flown a side. M7CL out front. Ask for front fills, you'll need them. It's a good sounding PA. The dressing rooms are insane. Hot tub, game room, apartment style dressing rooms. Very artist friendly venue. Load-in sucked last time we were there. They have the street all torn up because they're putting in a light rail... We had to push about 300 yards to the venue. Hopefully it's better for you now.


4/26/10 Washington, DC – Rock And Roll Hotel

4/27/10 New Haven, CT – Toad’s Place - OLD mono PA last time I was in there. A&H ML4000 at FOH. Haven't been there for a few years, so I don't know how the rig is anymore. I had a decent sounding show.

4/29/10 Allentown, PA – Crocodile Rock - This place sucks. 2 KF650e's flown a side with 4 SB1000's per side. Rig is underpowered and limited way too soon. M7CL out front. The house techs stare at the BSS processor the whole show... Touch limit and they tell you to turn it down.  They're clueless. The room sucks. It can be feedback hell if you aren't careful. 315, 630hz and 2k suck. There's no HF left in the boxes either...

5/1/10 Montreal, QC – TBA - Sounds like a winner Wink

5/2/10 Boston, MA – House Of Blues - This place kicks ass. It's the newest HOB, and the largest. Our LD is one of the house LD's there. If you've got Jeff Maker, give him shit all day. You'll have 12 JBL VT4888DP's flown a side, and 6 subs under the deck. Soundcraft VI6 out front. Great sounding room, and PA.

5/4/10 Charlotte, NC – The Fillmore - Another good sounding room. Very new as well. JBL VT4888DP rig, with 3 subs per side. Soundcraft VI6 out front too. Shitty house staff, but you'll have a good gig.

I had no issues with the house crew last time I was there.  This room suffers from "too much line array syndrome" which I tend to like Wink
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5/5/10 Raleigh, NC – Lincoln Theater - 2 EAW KF850's and 2 SB850's per side. Falling apart Yamaha M3000 at FOH. Haven't been there in 2 years, so it might be better, but I had a pretty shitty show there.

5/7/10 Nashville, TN – TBA

5/8/10 Atlanta, GA – The Loft


Good luck and have fun!



Evan




Have a good time out there... a very good friend of mine is tour managing that tour.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Lee Brenkman on March 01, 2010, 12:05:30 am
Zack Slater wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 19:51

I'll be heading out with the band "Just Kait" who is opening for the Honor Society on my first national tour.  Anyone have any insight on these places?  Any info is much appreciated!

4/2/10 San Francisco, CA – Great American Music Hall



five l'acoustics KUDO flown on each side, three SB118 subs each side, pair of  L112P for front fill, mono 115HiQs for side balcony fills, L&R pair of 115XTs delayed rear baclony.

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this picture shows the old JBL front fills but otherwise it should give you an idea of what to expect.

ten McCauley SM95-2 wedges, seven mixes available
JBL 4892 over single 18 for drum fill

Yamaha M7cl at FOH
Allen & Heath GL2800M for monitors

Load in is directly from O'Farrell Street
Stage is an unusual shape
105db C scale limit measured at FOH console
All advance enquiries should go to Sean in the office at Slim's
Crew is really good and nice unless you get the "grumpy old guy" Wink

This will be your ninth show opening for the Honor Society so you should have the "sharing or not" issues worked out by then.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Zack Slater on March 01, 2010, 12:13:01 am
Hey Everyone,

Thanks for all the responses!  In the beginning of the planning for this tour, I was going to be mixing FOH for Just Kait on the whole tour.  After a bunch of planning and talk, I'll most likely be pushed back to misc teching duties.  As of now the headlining band, The Honor Society will be having their engineers mix.  I'm hoping to really just learn a lot on this tour and eventually work my way up to mixing the band on tour, I've just been doing it around our area.  

All in all I appreciate all the responses even if I'm not mixing, I just like to know what the place is gonna be like in case I get the chance to do what I really like - mixing sound and not tuning guitars! haha

Lee - Thanks for all the info on the venue and I look foward to meeting you!

Adam - Is your friend our tour manager Meg? Or is it someone for Honor Society?
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Adam Robinson on March 01, 2010, 12:20:42 am
my friend is TMing Honor Society.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Zack Slater on March 01, 2010, 12:25:13 am
Oh okay thanks Adam.  I look forward to meeting all of Honor Society's crew.  They have all been very nice to us so far! haha
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: James Feenstra on March 01, 2010, 02:07:47 am
Zack Slater wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 22:51


4/20/10 Toronto, ON – The Opera House

what would you like to know? I'm the house LD Smile

provided I'm still in town that day I'll probably be there

as for honor society's crew, they're pretty decent guys...they've been through twice in the last six months. unless they've changed crews since then, of course.

mixing in our room is a challenge IF you've never mixed in an arena....Heritage 1k at FOH and ML4k at monitors. really high ceiling, ground stacked Y10 array, 4 Y10s over 3 218 subs, XTA processing and QSC amps

feel free to pm me your email address and i'll shoot you over our advance package

as for your montreal show, you'll probably be at club soda...that's *usually* where bands that play our club end up playing when they hit mtl. it's all JBL (non-line array), like a lot of montreal clubs.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on March 01, 2010, 03:49:24 am
Great American Music Hall -

Great sounding room.

For what it's worth: I've seen a couple of mid-level acts there where the openers sounded a whole lot better than the headliner.

The only difference was the mixer.

My guess is that the headliners had BEs that insisted on being big swinging dicks instead of listening to the locals.

All those different rigs in so many different rooms? With 100% house stuff. That's tough. I've been there on one-offs.

- you'll know which house guys have their "good on" during the openers. Collaborate if it makes you better!  - I learn and at the same time stay free to focus on cues. Does not mean you are a wuss.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Lee Brenkman on March 01, 2010, 03:54:28 pm
Tony "T" Tissot wrote on Mon, 01 March 2010 00:49

Great American Music Hall -

Great sounding room.

For what it's worth: I've seen a couple of mid-level acts there where the openers sounded a whole lot better than the headliner.

The only difference was the mixer.

My guess is that the headliners had BEs that insisted on being big swinging dicks instead of listening to the locals.




Aw, gosh!  Razz

I'm pretty proud of my "kids".   I think the openers who get mixed by the house staff are generally very happy with the results.

Gramps
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Tom Young on March 01, 2010, 05:09:14 pm
Update on the system at Toad's Place in New Haven CT:

A&H M5000 at FOH
Yamaha LS9 on monitors
All drivers repaired or upgraded recently

...that's all she wrote.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on March 01, 2010, 06:48:48 pm
Zack Slater wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 20:51

3/31/10 Scottsdale, AZ – Martini Ranch



I still have yet to meet the house guy there but everyone I have ever talked to around here says he is a great guy!  I think he posts here occasionally.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Robert "Void" Caprio on March 01, 2010, 07:30:26 pm
Went through Martini Ranch this summer. Cool room, cool people. Good mix position. A&H something-or-other at FOH, monitors from FOH too. Can't remember the rig but it pumped.

Nokia Theater, NYC - Hope Mohawk Dave is still there, he made my shows there a lot of fun.

Toad's Place is legendary but has some skanky dressing rooms.

The Social, Orlando... terrible parking/load-in...as in none/troublesome. At least you're not in a cage like at Backbooth:

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Eagle Theater, Pontiac, MI - you'll wish you were in the big room (CroFoot) but it's ok.

TLA, Philly - I swear I think the tops are out of phase... maybe just me? Mix position sucks as previously stated.

Crocodile Rock - Sucks as previously stated.

Nashville, TN - Hopefully it's Exit/In. Cool, venerable venue. Haven't been in years so I couldn't tell you what's in there.

Have fun on the tour. I did a few shows with Honor Society a while ago. Who's mixing them?
Title: Old Rock House
Post by: Doug Fowler on March 02, 2010, 12:34:32 pm
Old Rock House -

This is a bar that wants to be a venue.  There is a live sound 'room', very tall ceiling with a video screen behind the band, and a balcony area. It used to be that the house sound guy was responsible for operating the HD camera that projected an image of the band behind the band, and to various TVs around the bar.

The room is stupidly reverberant, even after they brought people back in to tame it.  

No case storage, no backstage area, no dressing rooms.  Load in and out through the crowd.

Mons from FOH (32ch Verona), rack full of analog goodies (Drawmer, etc).  Monitors are some flavor of mid-line EV, can't remember exactly.

There was a marginal microphone and stand kit the last time I was in there, as in all the mics and DIs fit in the ubiquitous SKB microphone case.

PA is a couple of EV subs under the stage and a pair of Xi install boxes, 12" flavor IIRC.

If it hasn't changed, it's pretty much a crippled rig in a space that should not have live music.

They did spend top dollar on the bar stools as I understand it, though.... :-)

Title: Re: Old Rock House
Post by: Charlie Zureki on March 02, 2010, 06:17:14 pm
Doug Fowler wrote on Tue, 02 March 2010 11:34

Old Rock House -

This is a bar that wants to be a venue.  There is a live sound 'room', very tall ceiling with a video screen behind the band, and a balcony area. It used to be that the house sound guy was responsible for operating the HD camera that projected an image of the band behind the band, and to various TVs around the bar.

The room is stupidly reverberant, even after they brought people back in to tame it.  

No case storage, no backstage area, no dressing rooms.  Load in and out through the crowd.

Mons from FOH (32ch Verona), rack full of analog goodies (Drawmer, etc).  Monitors are some flavor of mid-line EV, can't remember exactly.

There was a marginal microphone and stand kit the last time I was in there, as in all the mics and DIs fit in the ubiquitous SKB microphone case.

PA is a couple of EV subs under the stage and a pair of Xi install boxes, 12" flavor IIRC.

If it hasn't changed, it's pretty much a crippled rig in a space that should not have live music.

They did spend top dollar on the bar stools as I understand it, though.... Smile





 But do they have a good selection of whiskey and beers? Cool

 Cheers,
 Hammer

ps... do you hate it when some venue does everything half-arse?  
Title: Re: Old Rock House
Post by: Doug Fowler on March 02, 2010, 06:35:59 pm
It's not half-assed by any means.  It's a professional install that seems to be well implemented, but as is often the case it was (apparently) unclear to the proprietor what it really takes to do a show.   They missed it by "that much".   It certainly wasn't for lack of funding.

I understand they have acquired adjacent property. Last I heard was some reconstruction is to be done. Add a few boxes, a splitter snake and a monitor desk, with proper stage access and they would be in pretty good shape.

It's a fine bar, without doubt.

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Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Chris Buford on March 02, 2010, 08:59:20 pm
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 22:13


5/5/10 Raleigh, NC – Lincoln Theater - 2 EAW KF850's and 2 SB850's per side. Falling apart Yamaha M3000 at FOH. Haven't been there in 2 years, so it might be better, but I had a pretty shitty show there.



The Yamaha is the monitor desk now. They have a Midas out front now, 48 ch Verona if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: Old Rock House
Post by: Charlie Zureki on March 03, 2010, 07:10:51 am
Doug Fowler wrote on Tue, 02 March 2010 17:35

It's not half-assed by any means.  It's a professional install that seems to be well implemented, but as is often the case it was (apparently) unclear to the proprietor what it really takes to do a show.   They missed it by "that much".   It certainly wasn't for lack of funding.

I understand they have acquired adjacent property. Last I heard was some reconstruction is to be done. Add a few boxes, a splitter snake and a monitor desk, with proper stage access and they would be in pretty good shape.

It's a fine bar, without doubt.

edit for typo



 Hello Doug,

 My half-arsed comment was in regards to too many venue owners not providing adequate equipment to do the bands justice. They don't necessarily need to provide the "best in class" equipment, but they do need to provide the appropriate tools to get the job done. In this case, as in so many others, they should have consulted with someone familiar with the needs of the caliber of acts performing at this venue.

Good intentions of venue owners often miss their mark. When the act or it's road crew doesn't feel "comfortable", they often give uncomfortable performances, which can affect the bottom line, for the act AND the venue owner.

 just my opinion,

 Cheers,
 Hammer
 

 

 
 
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Zack Slater on March 08, 2010, 01:04:37 pm
Thanks for all the info everyone.  I'm gonna print this out so I can quickly reference it.  I have a feeling we won't have very much internet haha
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: James Feenstra on March 09, 2010, 12:17:33 am
sometimes we have it at the venue...if the wind blows the right way Laughing
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Lee Brenkman on March 09, 2010, 12:31:24 am
In San Francisco my guys, or gals, can supply you with the wi fi passwords for the venue main level and the dressing room area.

Two separate routers
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Zack Slater on March 09, 2010, 02:13:27 pm
Thanks Lee - I appreciate it a lot!  I'm looking forward to seeing the GAMH.  My sister lives out in Cali and says it's an awesome place.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: James Feenstra on March 09, 2010, 04:29:24 pm
Is hs bringing an ld with them for this run or will I be doing their show for a third time? Smile
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Zack Slater on March 09, 2010, 10:52:14 pm
James Feenstra wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 16:29

Is hs bringing an ld with them for this run or will I be doing their show for a third time? Smile


At the risk of sounding like a COMPLETE moron (I'm sure I do anyway) what does "ld" stand for?
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Robert "Void" Caprio on March 09, 2010, 10:53:34 pm
LD - lighting director?
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Bennett Prescott on March 09, 2010, 10:53:47 pm
Lighting designer/director.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Zack Slater on March 09, 2010, 11:02:16 pm
Ohh Okay, thanks guys.

James - as of right now I do not know.  When the tour starts I can find out and let you know if you'd like.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on March 09, 2010, 11:47:52 pm
Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 19:53

Lighting designer/director.

every audio guy I know says it stands for "limp d..."
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Bennett Prescott on March 09, 2010, 11:53:27 pm
Tony "T" Tissot wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 23:47

Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 19:53

Lighting designer/director.

every audio guy I know says it stands for "limp d..."

And that's why I'm not every audio guy you know. I need to work with lighting folks every day, and we both have the same goal: A great show.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on March 10, 2010, 12:06:53 am
Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 20:53

Tony "T" Tissot wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 23:47

Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 19:53

Lighting designer/director.

every audio guy I know says it stands for "limp d..."

And that's why I'm not every audio guy you know. I need to work with lighting folks every day, and we both have the same goal: A great show.

I was exclusively a lampy in my salad years  Laughing  

I should have put an ironic smiley next to my comment - but I couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Heading out on my first national tour...
Post by: James Feenstra on March 10, 2010, 02:49:49 am
Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 23:53

Tony "T" Tissot wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 23:47

Bennett Prescott wrote on Tue, 09 March 2010 19:53

Lighting designer/director.

every audio guy I know says it stands for "limp d..."

And that's why I'm not every audio guy you know. I need to work with lighting folks every day, and we both have the same goal: A great show.

then get the monitor tech out of my way while i'm trying to do a focus! Laughing

Zack: sure, might as well...either way doesn't really matter to me unless they're looking in which case I'm available Wink