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Title: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Todd Shumansky on March 08, 2011, 04:39:53 pm
I need to buy a couple Countryman E6 headset mics. These will be used primarily for sound reinforcement at live events. Our first outing with these will be used at a show with a big name comedian.

Are you guys using the omni-directional or the directional E6? How about the I-series? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Jonathan Hiemberg on March 08, 2011, 07:15:43 pm
I need to buy a couple Countryman E6 headset mics. These will be used primarily for sound reinforcement at live events. Our first outing with these will be used at a show with a big name comedian.

Are you guys using the omni-directional or the directional E6? How about the I-series? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.


Todd - I personally really like the omni e6, I use several. They can be a pain for some people to position correctly and stably. I actually have my own that I keep separate, and let everyone else use the others to bend and re-bend as they need.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Ray Soly on March 08, 2011, 07:21:43 pm
I need to buy a couple Countryman E6 headset mics. These will be used primarily for sound reinforcement at live events. Our first outing with these will be used at a show with a big name comedian.

Are you guys using the omni-directional or the directional E6? How about the I-series? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

I've used the E6 "omni"  the earset is sometimes difficult to fit to certain performers though they do have what they call the earclip which seems to fix that......be sure to select the right sensitivity for your usage......"i" series has a more flexible i.e. less stiff boom for adapting/bending to different users (probably a good idea) I have not tried the directional E2......

Ray
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Andrew Moyer on March 08, 2011, 08:28:28 pm
I'm in the middle of doing a show with 16 Omni E6's on kids ranging in age from 10-13. I do not like the E6i as I find them too flexible and too easy to bend. Also the rubber on the ear piece is more then twice as thick as the regular E6 and I don't like that.  We have the blue band as well which is suited for both speech and singing.

The E6 sounds great! 

Andrew
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Daniel Cash on March 09, 2011, 12:23:33 am
I have used both the E6i omni and directional for singing and spoken word. I originally bout a directional e6i to use with a lead vocalists in a band, with a wedge monitor. The placement was so finicky that we gave up on that idea, and just stuck with the omni.

I am curious if anyone is successfully using the directional e6 and what tricks they have to increase consistency of placement. I have never been satisfied with the results.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Gareth Marsh on March 09, 2011, 03:11:57 am
I have used both the E6i omni and directional for singing and spoken word. I originally bout a directional e6i to use with a lead vocalists in a band, with a wedge monitor. The placement was so finicky that we gave up on that idea, and just stuck with the omni.

I am curious if anyone is successfully using the directional e6 and what tricks they have to increase consistency of placement. I have never been satisfied with the results.

I have used both, and had similar experiences to you. When I first tried the directional version I thought something was wrong - placement has to be quite precise.

I was using them for corporate talking head type work and for me the mic was just far too directional to be consistent, if the mic got bumped or moved at all the sound would change quite dramatically.


Gareth
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Andrew Hnatiuk on March 09, 2011, 08:54:01 am
Have been using the E6i omni for theater and corporate work with great success. Recommend having a few "EarClip" accessories on hand...
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Sheldon Harris on March 09, 2011, 01:49:29 pm
Have been using the E6i omni for theater and corporate work with great success. Recommend having a few "EarClip" accessories on hand...

+1
a little problematic (esp directional) with quick changes in theater(they never get the same position back)
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Thomas Dameron on March 09, 2011, 08:20:47 pm
I know it's a bit more money, but for SR providers I've had much better luck with Dpa 4066's.  As you can see from the other responses, e6's have consistent and considerable issues being fit to presenters and performers.  It's magnified when they get way out of shape by one frustrated person they're extremely difficult to regain a good hold on someone.  I like e6's fine when they are for a single person and it doesn't have to be shared and refitted to anyone else, but for a company purchase where they'll likely never go on the same person twice, the DPA's are much easier to work with and will greatly reduce failed fittings and frustration. 

As the others have said a cardiod e6 is extremely sensitive to positioning, and offers little or no GBF gains, especially if it isn't positioned in exactly the right spot. 

There is a couple hundred dollar price difference between an already fairly expensive Countryman, but most of the shows that these mics get used on if there's a mid show fitting problem and you have to switch out mics or go to a handheld, you're likely not getting invited  back by that client.  Presumably a much more than ~$200 loss.

Just my 2c,
thomas d.

I need to buy a couple Countryman E6 headset mics. These will be used primarily for sound reinforcement at live events. Our first outing with these will be used at a show with a big name comedian.

Are you guys using the omni-directional or the directional E6? How about the I-series? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Darrel Harris on March 09, 2011, 10:43:23 pm
I am a fan of the new(ish)  E6 flex...offering fit characteristics of both the original & the i versions.


I know it's a bit more money, but for SR providers I've had much better luck with Dpa 4066's.  As you can see from the other responses, e6's have consistent and considerable issues being fit to presenters and performers.  It's magnified when they get way out of shape by one frustrated person they're extremely difficult to regain a good hold on someone.  I like e6's fine when they are for a single person and it doesn't have to be shared and refitted to anyone else, but for a company purchase where they'll likely never go on the same person twice, the DPA's are much easier to work with and will greatly reduce failed fittings and frustration. 

As the others have said a cardiod e6 is extremely sensitive to positioning, and offers little or no GBF gains, especially if it isn't positioned in exactly the right spot. 

There is a couple hundred dollar price difference between an already fairly expensive Countryman, but most of the shows that these mics get used on if there's a mid show fitting problem and you have to switch out mics or go to a handheld, you're likely not getting invited  back by that client.  Presumably a much more than ~$200 loss.

Just my 2c,
thomas d.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Rory Maguire on March 10, 2011, 06:15:03 am
I've had much better luck with Dpa 4066's.

I've had the same experiences. I do most of my work operating theatrical shows, and the DPAs win hands down every time. Easier to position, and they sound fantastic!! I've found with the e6s, when you put them on a louder singer, they tend to break up pretty nastily and they don't seem to be able to take the same SPL as the DPA stuff.

While some directors don't like the look of the DPAs, so we are often getting the loose ones (No headbands) and rigging our own, discreet ways of mounting them!

I actually spent a full day this week, building mics for a show going in next week! All DPA stuff again.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Brian Ehlers on March 10, 2011, 12:55:11 pm
I'm another fan of the DPA 4066.  But I will point out one downfall:  since the boom extends from under the ear instead of from on top of the ear (as on the E6), it's vulnerable to contact noise with dangling earrings.  This is dependant on the size and shape of the ear and earring, of course.

If the noise occurs, it's not that loud or objectionable over the PA;  I've never had anyone even mention it let alone complain.  But I can hear it.  And it's more noticable on the recording.  It makes sense to keep one or two E6's with earclips handy in case your talent shows up wearing dangling earrings.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Ray Soly on March 10, 2011, 05:21:06 pm
I've had the same experiences. I do most of my work operating theatrical shows, and the DPAs win hands down every time. Easier to position, and they sound fantastic!! I've found with the e6s, when you put them on a louder singer, they tend to break up pretty nastily and they don't seem to be able to take the same SPL as the DPA stuff.

While some directors don't like the look of the DPAs, so we are often getting the loose ones (No headbands) and rigging our own, discreet ways of mounting them!

I actually spent a full day this week, building mics for a show going in next week! All DPA stuff again.

actually, I've been touring pretty much all over Europe and the middle east with a"gypsy" group and had the chance/mishap to try just about anything on the singers (they are screamers)..........E6, shure, DPA  etc.....but, was pleasantly surprised by the sennheiser HSP series......(I 'm now using HSP4 ....i.e. directional) for us, that beats all others "hands down" it always sits perfectly on the ears, boom is always in the proper axis towards the mouth, it doesn't turn (like the dpa or shure), the back of the boom doesn't get caught in the performers hair and pushed up their noses when they look up or under their chin when the ladies look down..... there is only a very small flexible area to fiddle with ......so repeated placement on the performer is the best i've seen in any of the pro stuff the capsule is always in the right angle to the mouth and they can't turn it!!! up or down..perfect every time......they sound great and can take a spl pounding......but, nothing beats DPA 4099 on the accordions though.......

Ray
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: alex champagne on March 11, 2011, 05:06:23 am
I need to buy a couple Countryman E6 headset mics. These will be used primarily for sound reinforcement at live events. Our first outing with these will be used at a show with a big name comedian.

Are you guys using the omni-directional or the directional E6? How about the I-series? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

I've used the E6 Omni a number of times, and while they are a pain to fit, they are a great sounding mic.  I find some double sided medical tape works well to keep the mouthpiece positioned correctly, and haven't had any complaints from performers about having a piece of tape on their face, but perhaps I have just been lucky.
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Robin Parker on March 14, 2011, 08:07:01 pm
I need to buy a couple Countryman E6 headset mics. These will be used primarily for sound reinforcement at live events. Our first outing with these will be used at a show with a big name comedian.

Are you guys using the omni-directional or the directional E6? How about the I-series? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

After a quick scan of all of the replies - I’d like to add the following... from a performance point of view, it could be argued that the Countryman set the bench mark for quality – I knew Carl Countryman personally, and was one of the first dealers on the east coast to represent his products. The Isomax IV today remains one of my personal favorite gooseneck type microphones… but….

Virtually every customer that purchased an E6 has complained about the ‘fit’ and comfort… to this point several years ago, I conducted my own test of wearing an E6 for almost 12 hours a day, 4 days straight at a trade show and my conclusion – unfortunately – was “fail”…  After possibly dozens of fittings and adjustments, the E6 just simply would not stay in place. I wasn’t doing cartwheels or aerobics or even marching around on a stage… just sitting in a booth and moving around easily and still, I had to give the E6 a failing grade.

My search for the best possible headword mic brought me to the Australian made Da Cappo line All I can suggest is that before investing in any new mic, please take a look at these products, you may be pleasantly surprised.   
Title: Re: Which Countryman E6 are you using?
Post by: Todd Shumansky on March 15, 2011, 05:42:38 pm
Thanks to everyone for the replies. I appreciate all of the real world info. I ended up buying two of the E6i headsets. The show we need these for will not accept any substitution for the E6. Hopefully they last for us. Thanks again for all the help!