John Fiorello wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 18:58 |
2 questions: What freq. is it feeding back at? And what cap do you have on it? I only ask because if it's feeding back somewhere above 5k, the 0dB cap might help...? JF |
Tom Young wrote on Wed, 30 September 2009 21:58 |
What is the FOH loudspeaker system design ? What is the physical relationship of the FOH ldspkrs to the position(s) he stands in ? How "linear" is the FOH system (has it been optimized properly) ? Finally: I pray the feedback is from FOH and NOT because you have him in monitors (for himself to hear). |
Gil Parente wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 00:55 |
Without knowing more details, as Tom mentioned, your idea of the 1/3 octave EQ patched on the channel is not the worst I've heard. That is what I would start with. |
Aaron McQueen wrote on Thu, 01 October 2009 21:08 | ||
The FOH system is a bi-amped JBL 3 speaker cluster flown center front of stage. There is very little sound in the area the pastor usually stands and moves around in. The linearity of system is something to look at and it has not been optimized in several years (at least 10). Definitely no monitors. |
Wes Thompson wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 09:05 |
I have a question for you Dick, but it does relate to this thread so I will keep it here. So you say that the blocked frequencies will deepen and widen in single shot mode? I never knew that. So once the single shot filter is isolated do I just simply switch that filter over to parametric mode after that? |
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Do the filters deepen and widen constantly or is this unit effectively storing the deeper and wider settings? In other words, when I power the unit up do the notches come up with the deeper and wider settings or do they come up with the original notch? The reason I ask, every now and then the vocals can sound like they are in a tunnel. I can switch to another preset and then back and it is fine after that. I figured that it is the auto filters that are causing this problem. |
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Do I have to re-ring the system for the offending frequencies again or can I simply switch the current single shot filters to parametric mode right after I turn the unit on? |
Wes Thompson wrote on Mon, 05 October 2009 12:47 |
Excellent advice Dick. I will re-ring the lavs and set the filters to parametric. It is a pain to set up but once it is done it should be "set and forget". Feedback has been a constant struggle in our VERY live room and this unit has helped us tremendously in squeezing out more gain from the lavs. The following is to add information on my feedback solution to this thread: Have some helpers wear the lavs. Run up the gain on each lav and use the parametric EQ on the mixer board to null out the main ring from each mic. Once you have achieved max gain with minimal ringing from each lav engage the FB with each filter in single shot mode and slowly raise the gain until you get a ring and a filter locks in on the ring. As soon as the filter locks in, switch it to parametric mode. Once the gain is nice and strong have the lav helpers move around the speaking areas and see if the FB can lock on any more rings. Once most of the rings are filtered, leave only two channels set on auto mode and they can alternate to catch any transients. One thing to note for anyone using one of these, it is important to have as close to 0db going through this unit as you can get without overdriving it. It detects rings much better when you have a lot of gain going through it. Thanks again Dick for giving me a better understanding of how to operate this unit. -Wes |
Don Sullivan wrote on Sat, 10 October 2009 10:07 |
The LS9 is a powerful mixer with plenty of tools to reduce feedback.If the 4 bands of parametric EQ on the input are not enough, you can use the 4 bands on the output as well, even if only during the message. In addition, try adding from 5 to 20 ms delay on the output. This can make a remarkable difference. Also, get the lav as close to the mouth as possible, even if it is just under the chin. If these steps aren't enough, consider moving the pastor back or the speakers forward or into a pair rather than a center cluster. ( personally, I despise center clusters ) |