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Went out Saturday night for the first time with the Ingenia IG4T. Been in this room many times and was able to do a general comparison to my EF500p's that I normally use there.
I wasn't sure how they would compare to my normal tops but they were better all around. Better coverage, spl , and the sound clarity was much better in this room that has a high RT time. The even coverage was what impressed me the most. Vocal's panned to center didn't seem to come out of the speakers but formed a nice center image. Didn't really expect that.
As a drop in replacement for a standard Mid/High box I was much more impressed overall than I thought I'd be. For a 40lb. Mid/High box I'd highly recommend them!
Douglas R. Allen
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Went out Saturday night for the first time with the Ingenia IG4T. Been in this room many times and was able to do a general comparison to my EF500p's that I normally use there.
I wasn't sure how they would compare to my normal tops but they were better all around. Better coverage, spl , and the sound clarity was much better in this room that has a high RT time. The even coverage was what impressed me the most. Vocal's panned to center didn't seem to come out of the speakers but formed a nice center image. Didn't really expect that.
As a drop in replacement for a standard Mid/High box I was much more impressed overall than I thought I'd be. For a 40lb. Mid/High box I'd highly recommend them!
Douglas R. Allen
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The speakers I was using before.
Douglas R. Allen
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Hi Douglas,
I'm seriously considering a pair of these. How do you find the 110 degrees horizontal coverage? I feel like it's a very wide pattern for indoor gigs, a lot of sound hitting the walls.
I'm primarily interested in these as they have a pretty big output on their own, are light and transportable by a one man crew like myself and are scaleable - which is not really possible with most of the affordable-ish powered boxes on the market.
Would love to hear your thoughts overall on these speakers
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Hi Douglas,
I'm seriously considering a pair of these. How do you find the 110 degrees horizontal coverage? I feel like it's a very wide pattern for indoor gigs, a lot of sound hitting the walls.
I'm primarily interested in these as they have a pretty big output on their own, are light and transportable by a one man crew like myself and are scaleable - which is not really possible with most of the affordable-ish powered boxes on the market.
Would love to hear your thoughts overall on these speakers
Jon;
I've been really impressed by these speakers. I didn't buy them to replace my current tops. More to use when I didn't have to or want to drag out 90lb tops to do smaller shows. Now I find I can't think of a reason to bring my old mains out. I wanted the wider L/R coverage and really liked the idea of a 40lb box.
I like you did worry about the wide coverage and how it may effect mains feedback in smaller rooms. I haven't found this to be a problem at all. If anything I found I could push up the mains ( in an empty room for testing ) more than I could before. The room in the pictures above have a very high Reverb time and I thought I may have problems as far as intelligibility. Instead the sound seemed more focused and even with the speaker to the right in the photo above about 3 feet or so away from a metal wall there was no problem with bounce. My old tops that I used in this room many times had a 60X40 coverage pattern. The 4T's sounded much better in the room.
For me its the overall sound of the box. How well the horn works as far as its coverage angles and the smoothness of the box overall. Yes and it gets plenty loud too.
I've a small 2 person acoustic show outside this weekend and if I have enough time I may do a single stack for a test just to see how that sounds. Couple of 2 night shows after. I'll have some more time with them then.
I am glad I bought them. Much better than I expected. Again I wasn't looking to replace my old mains. Now I'm thinking of selling the old mains to pick up another pair of 4T's..
Douglas R. Allen
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Nice. I'm currently waffling back and forth between the IG4T and IG3T. . .but ready to pul the trigger and ditch my 12" tops
Jon;
I've been really impressed by these speakers. . . .
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Nice. I'm currently waffling back and forth between the IG4T and IG3T. . .but ready to pul the trigger and ditch my 12" tops
Hi Tim
So what did you end up with? IG4T or IG3T.
Douglas
Gig report updates? Have you used them without subs for acoustical type shows? And how is the mid/low end compared to the 15 tops? Keep us posted.
I'm curious how the 4T would perform (coverage and sound quality) vs dsr112, srx12/15 or srx835 in the 90hz and up.
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Hi Tim
So what did you end up with? IG4T or IG3T.
Douglas
Gig report updates? Have you used them without subs for acoustical type shows? And how is the mid/low end compared to the 15 tops? Keep us posted.
I'm curious how the 4T would perform (coverage and sound quality) vs dsr112, srx12/15 or srx835 in the 90hz and up.
2 outside shows this weekend. Tried both Tops on Subs and Subs in the middle on a smaller show. Both times the subs (Yorkville LS801pb) ran out of gas with the tops having 6-9db's to go. Before I had Yorkville EF500p's and they would run out before the subs.
I haven't used them alone yet. Don't have enough shows of that type to use them on at the moment.
I've pretty much always used a full range box like a Peavey SP2 - EV SXA250 - Yorkville EF500p - etc. etc. crossover set around 100hz handing off to a sub of choice for many - many years. 30 anyway. I'll take the IG4T over any of these. The wider coverage I thought may be an issue. I did worry about feedback from the front and reflections from close walls. Instead they seem more forgiving in this regard. Although the coverage and output is great I really like the "sound" of the box. I can't remember when I had my FOH eq set pretty much flat from 100 to 400hz. They just sound so good in this range. The vocals just sound right. I don't want to go back to a 15 and horn. May sell my EF500p's.
I'll post a few pictures. One night was in a pretty much open field. They fill the area nicely and I didn't have to push to the max. The other was in a small stage with very close speaker placement to each other. Again they did a great job. As a stand alone 1 speaker per side I am very impressed with them. Much more than I thought I would be. Again to me they just sound great and do the job. Glad I purchased them.
Douglas R. Allen
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2 outside shows this weekend. Tried both Tops on Subs and Subs in the middle on a smaller show. Both times the subs (Yorkville LS801pb) ran out of gas with the tops having 6-9db's to go. Before I had Yorkville EF500p's and they would run out before the subs.
I haven't used them alone yet. Don't have enough shows of that type to use them on at the moment.
I've pretty much always used a full range box like a Peavey SP2 - EV SXA250 - Yorkville EF500p - etc. etc. crossover set around 100hz handing off to a sub of choice for many - many years. 30 anyway. I'll take the IG4T over any of these. The wider coverage I thought may be an issue. I did worry about feedback from the front and reflections from close walls. Instead they seem more forgiving in this regard. Although the coverage and output is great I really like the "sound" of the box. I can't remember when I had my FOH eq set pretty much flat from 100 to 400hz. They just sound so good in this range. The vocals just sound right. I don't want to go back to a 15 and horn. May sell my EF500p's.
I'll post a few pictures. One night was in a pretty much open field. They fill the area nicely and I didn't have to push to the max. The other was in a small stage with very close speaker placement to each other. Again they did a great job. As a stand alone 1 speaker per side I am very impressed with them. Much more than I thought I would be. Again to me they just sound great and do the job. Glad I purchased them.
Douglas R. Allen
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From the desk. Mixed from a tablet.
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I did this same show 3 years ago. Same band other than lead singer. I remember the coverage issues with the EF500p's and how I had to push them. I really liked what the IG4t's did in the same location.
Hoping both photo's will make it.
Douglas R. Allen
Edit: 3 years ago the band had amps on stage also. Now they don't and use IEM for all but the lead singer. This added even more requirements to the speakers. Things picked up after dark on both shows ;-)
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Doug do you find the wide vertical coverage (80'degress I think) limits longer distance throw?
ScottH
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I still need to go meet up with my rep and run the 3 and the 4 side by side. The rub in making the decision is that the IG3T's, apparently have a bit more mid-bass than the IG4T's, not sure which is better. I've only heard the IG4T. Those sounded fantastic, especially at the price point.
IMO, the dB Tech Ingenia (also the RCF NXL-24 and 44) outperform any MI level 12" and 15" point source boxes. The column boxes get wider and smoother coverage and fantastic clarity and coherence. The Columns array well when stacked and the downward canted horns make covering the audience simple without having to tilt the loudspeaker, potentially causing unsafe loading on the stands.
I don't see any way that the point-source boxes are directly comparable in any reasonable manner other than that they happen to make some sound when you plug them in.
Hi Tim
So what did you end up with? IG4T or IG3T.
Douglas
Gig report updates? Have you used them without subs for acoustical type shows? And how is the mid/low end compared to the 15 tops? Keep us posted.
I'm curious how the 4T would perform (coverage and sound quality) vs dsr112, srx12/15 or srx835 in the 90hz and up.
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Doug do you find the wide vertical coverage (80'degress I think) limits longer distance throw?
ScottH
ScottH (your full name?) To me "throw" is more the current spl when leaving the box. If a speaker is at 110 db's in front it follows the same rules as any other speaker once this spl leaves the box. The coverage is stated as 110 X 90 degrees. Horn is 20 degrees up, a spread out 70 degrees down. As with any speaker this varies with frequency. Some control in the horn range, less as the frequency drops. An average 15 and Horn box mostly have 90 X 45 stated coverage, at least in the horn range depending of frequency. The IG4T is listed as having 10 degrees more L/R and 90 degrees up/down. This may seem as a problem but the horns coverage in the up-straight out range has tighter L/R control where the down range is spread out more. Think of the horns pattern as a triangle in shape. Wider on the bottom and tighter toward the top.
As far as control the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers would offer some pattern control due to the length of the line. The 2 , 10 inch drivers of the IG3T may not offer the same pattern control. The surface area of the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers are roughly 10 cubic inches more than a 12 inch driver. Sound wise these boxes sound less like a speaker box than any I have owned to date and I've gone through a boat load. I've said it before but I like the sound the boxes put out. More real? Less coloring of the input? Does a 6.5 inch speaker have better transit response than a 15? Not sure but what they do works.
Tim Hite ; There is a sound company in Canada just across the boarder from me with 8 of the IG3T's and they have nothing but great reviews. I went with the IG4T's as weight and size was part of the decision. The IG4T's sound very good in the mid bass range. Not sure if I'd want or need more. I still wonder if the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers are giving me the sound I like and how they compare to the 3T's myself. I do know I hated how the 3T's looked on tripods with the pole mount far in the back. Not a look I wanted or at least was used to seeing. The greatest problem with owning a pair of the IG4T's I see is wanting to get another pair!
Any other questions are always welcome.
Douglas R. Allen
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Yeah, I think it pattern control vs a bit more woof when deciding between the 4 and the 3. The weight I hadn't noticed but saving 20% isn't a bad deal, I'm not getting any younger. Can't beat the width of the 4T either.
I think my biggest issue is that I'm going to end up buying new powered subs to keep pace with the tops. Should be a huge improvement for my smaller shows, though. Loved the S30N when I heard it.
ScottH (your full name?) To me "throw" is more the current spl when leaving the box. If a speaker is at 110 db's in front it follows the same rules as any other speaker once this spl leaves the box. The coverage is stated as 110 X 90 degrees. Horn is 20 degrees up, a spread out 70 degrees down. As with any speaker this varies with frequency. Some control in the horn range, less as the frequency drops. An average 15 and Horn box mostly have 90 X 45 stated coverage, at least in the horn range depending of frequency. The IG4T is listed as having 10 degrees more L/R and 90 degrees up/down. This may seem as a problem but the horns coverage in the up-straight out range has tighter L/R control where the down range is spread out more. Think of the horns pattern as a triangle in shape. Wider on the bottom and tighter toward the top.
As far as control the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers would offer some pattern control due to the length of the line. The 2 , 10 inch drivers of the IG3T may not offer the same pattern control. The surface area of the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers are roughly 10 cubic inches more than a 12 inch driver. Sound wise these boxes sound less like a speaker box than any I have owned to date and I've gone through a boat load. I've said it before but I like the sound the boxes put out. More real? Less coloring of the input? Does a 6.5 inch speaker have better transit response than a 15? Not sure but what they do works.
Tim Hite ; There is a sound company in Canada just across the boarder from me with 8 of the IG3T's and they have nothing but great reviews. I went with the IG4T's as weight and size was part of the decision. The IG4T's sound very good in the mid bass range. Not sure if I'd want or need more. I still wonder if the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers are giving me the sound I like and how they compare to the 3T's myself. I do know I hated how the 3T's looked on tripods with the pole mount far in the back. Not a look I wanted or at least was used to seeing. The greatest problem with owning a pair of the IG4T's I see is wanting to get another pair!
Any other questions are always welcome.
Douglas R. Allen
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ScottH (your full name?) To me "throw" is more the current spl when leaving the box. If a speaker is at 110 db's in front it follows the same rules as any other speaker once this spl leaves the box. The coverage is stated as 110 X 90 degrees. Horn is 20 degrees up, a spread out 70 degrees down. As with any speaker this varies with frequency. Some control in the horn range, less as the frequency drops. An average 15 and Horn box mostly have 90 X 45 stated coverage, at least in the horn range depending of frequency. The IG4T is listed as having 10 degrees more L/R and 90 degrees up/down. This may seem as a problem but the horns coverage in the up-straight out range has tighter L/R control where the down range is spread out more. Think of the horns pattern as a triangle in shape. Wider on the bottom and tighter toward the top.
As far as control the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers would offer some pattern control due to the length of the line. The 2 , 10 inch drivers of the IG3T may not offer the same pattern control. The surface area of the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers are roughly 10 cubic inches more than a 12 inch driver. Sound wise these boxes sound less like a speaker box than any I have owned to date and I've gone through a boat load. I've said it before but I like the sound the boxes put out. More real? Less coloring of the input? Does a 6.5 inch speaker have better transit response than a 15? Not sure but what they do works.
Tim Hite ; There is a sound company in Canada just across the boarder from me with 8 of the IG3T's and they have nothing but great reviews. I went with the IG4T's as weight and size was part of the decision. The IG4T's sound very good in the mid bass range. Not sure if I'd want or need more. I still wonder if the 4 , 6.5 inch drivers are giving me the sound I like and how they compare to the 3T's myself. I do know I hated how the 3T's looked on tripods with the pole mount far in the back. Not a look I wanted or at least was used to seeing. The greatest problem with owning a pair of the IG4T's I see is wanting to get another pair!
Any other questions are always welcome.
Douglas R. Allen
Thanks for the info Doug. I wasn't aware the HF horn was asymmetrical.
My experience with column arrays such as the CBT series is a tight and sometimes adjustable, vertical pattern and wide horizontal pattern. Seems like the asymmetrical horn in your speaker accomplishes the same thing. Interested peaked in these...especially noting the relatively low weight.
Scott (Hibbard)
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Thanks for the info Doug. I wasn't aware the HF horn was asymmetrical.
My experience with column arrays such as the CBT series is a tight and sometimes adjustable, vertical pattern and wide horizontal pattern. Seems like the asymmetrical horn in your speaker accomplishes the same thing. Interested peaked in these...especially noting the relatively low weight.
Scott (Hibbard)
If you haven't seen any of these yet. There are some user videos starting to show up as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhCYYAsTUd0
https://youtu.be/hLtAJHME_FI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ_y9iCDypQ
Douglas R. Allen
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If you haven't seen any of these yet. There are some user videos starting to show up as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhCYYAsTUd0
https://youtu.be/hLtAJHME_FI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ_y9iCDypQ
Douglas R. Allen
Thanks again Doug! Will certainly have a look/listen to these videos. Thanks again for the insights. Strongly considering purchasing these and moving my FBT HiMaxx40a's to drum fill/monitor duties.
Scott
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Hi, I have for of the IG4T, these speakers are must have for any rental company, specially if you have a small company.
They sound awesome, and take less space in the van , easy to setup and uo to now (for me) almost unbreakable. I have some jealous ETX-35P and SRX725 sitting in my warehouse, for almost three months now, because the IG4T get all the work. I am trying to get some more info on the Ig3T, as I do a lot of salsa gigs and need some more woofs for the congas, timbales and low cowbells. I would like to know if using four IG3T ( two on top of each other), would b e able to replace some SRx-725 gigs (outside).
Ofcourse how I would love to get omy hands on some RCF TTL-6A !!
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If you're out west, give me a shout and I can set up a demo for you.
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Hi, I have for of the IG4T, these speakers are must have for any rental company, specially if you have a small company.
They sound awesome, and take less space in the van , easy to setup and uo to now (for me) almost unbreakable. I have some jealous ETX-35P and SRX725 sitting in my warehouse, for almost three months now, because the IG4T get all the work. I am trying to get some more info on the Ig3T, as I do a lot of salsa gigs and need some more woofs for the congas, timbales and low cowbells. I would like to know if using four IG3T ( two on top of each other), would b e able to replace some SRx-725 gigs (outside).
Ofcourse how I would love to get omy hands on some RCF TTL-6A !!
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How do the ig4t perform compared to a pro level 12 inch two way?
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All I can tell you is that, doing f.i. a choir in a church, I prefer the IG4T compared to a Yamaha DSR-112, I prefer it over the ETX-3P, it is the thing for vocals.
What I really like about the IG4T, is I can use them outdoor (two over two), get them up in the air very easy (ultimate TS99B), put three Dbtech Sub18H per side and do a live band for 1000 to 1500, with good coverage (wide). The easiest thing to get out are the vocals, no problem at all, compared to when I use the JBl SRX-725
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Are we taking into account that you can own 4x IG4T for about the same money as a single Meyer UPA or L 'Acoustics X12?
How do the ig4t perform compared to a pro level 12 inch two way?
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Renard,
Are you connecting the IG4T's and mounting them on the TS99Bs? How high would you guess you get the top of the stack? Do you use sandbags or other ballast?
Thanks
All I can tell you is that, doing f.i. a choir in a church, I prefer the IG4T compared to a Yamaha DSR-112, I prefer it over the ETX-3P, it is the thing for vocals.
What I really like about the IG4T, is I can use them outdoor (two over two), get them up in the air very easy (ultimate TS99B), put three Dbtech Sub18H per side and do a live band for 1000 to 1500, with good coverage (wide). The easiest thing to get out are the vocals, no problem at all, compared to when I use the JBl SRX-725
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How do the ig4t perform compared to a pro level 12 inch two way?
To me a pro box would be in the $3000 to $4000 each range. In that price range you'll easily get 4 of the IG4T's for the same price as 2 boxes. As much as I like my current pair I can't imagine how good 4 would sound. I'm going to stack mine up and give them a listen in the next few week. Not looking forward to it as I'm sure I may like it too much and may have to get another set. The best thing is you can scale up/down as needed. 50 to 200 people just bring 2 tops and enough subs. 500 or so sit down moderate dancing in the park type shows as well. 1000 to 1200 plus bring 2 aside and again enough subs. I have seen many post where people are covering this amount and I don't doubt it. Being able to scale up/down is the biggest asset to the line. That and the low weight/size factor. They are tall enough that I can set my tripods at their lowest setting a put them up on them without any struggle and have enough height for the shows.
Douglas R. Allen
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Are we taking into account that you can own 4x IG4T for about the same money as a single Meyer UPA or L 'Acoustics X12?
I have never heard the Meyer UPA or the L`Acoustic X12. I imagine that one UPA is three times the price of a Yamaha DSr-112, if it sounds three times as good and three times as loud I sincerely doubt it.
Considering that I think I would prefer doing a 1000 people gig in a park with two IG4T aside then with one UPA aside !
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How do the ig4t perform compared to a pro level 12 inch two way?
They are up there with them; on the same page so to speak - the IG4T's are a really nice sounding speaker that goes quite loud - its probably best to compare them to something like L-Acoustics Syva.
L-Acoustics describe the X12 as "JACK OF ALL TRADES", the IG4T is not that, its designed for a specific application which it does very well.
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the IG4T is not that, its designed for a specific application which it does very well.
Just curious. What application is that other than provide sound?
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What I really like about the IG4T, is I can use them outdoor (two over two), get them up in the air very easy (ultimate TS99B), put three Dbtech Sub18H per side and do a live band for 1000 to 1500, with good coverage (wide). The easiest thing to get out are the vocals, no problem at all, compared to when I use the JBl SRX-725
You put 2 IG4T's on a tripod? Is that safe?
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You put 2 IG4T's on a tripod? Is that safe?
That does seem quite precarious since you effectively have a 6ft tall cabinet with an extremely high COG at that point. Seems like a good gust of wind or accidental bump would send that over rather easily.
The only two-high deployments I see in the manual involves flying them or using a pole adapter to rest them in a sub pole cup.
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That does seem quite precarious since you effectively have a 6ft tall cabinet with an extremely high COG at that point. Seems like a good gust of wind or accidental bump would send that over rather easily.
The only two-high deployments I see in the manual involves flying them or using a pole adapter to rest them in a sub pole cup.
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Actually the way I deploy them ia safer then flying , because I always have astrap holding them so they don`t fall front-ward, I always have one or two straps, attacyhed to the stage legs ( bottom) and to any trussing , incase somebody pushed the stand forward. When used inside the same thing or a strap from the two handles ( where the boxes are joined) to two subs. So again somebody has to deliberately push them down. The highest I have had them was the bottom of the lower cabinetaround 2.25m
Today I am using only two (one per side) in a casino. will get them high over all the (slot) machines ! I have one right next to a LED screen, you have to really look for a speaker, to see the speaker. where the tripods are, they stand behind some machines.
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You put 2 IG4T's on a tripod? Is that safe?
Strapped down properly maybe. To me its not the direct down force I'd worry about its the Pole Socket construction on the speaker. 1/2 of it is more or less a solid 1/2 circle. The other 1/2 is supported by fins. 3 or so. Mine is not in front of me right now. If enough force was to be applied to the back or top pushing forward/back , side to side, these may crack or break off completely. A tripod pole goes 4 inches into the speaker. So long as the pole and the speaker stay on the same plane I guess it may be alright. The DB Sub Bracket keeps the 2 , short pole and speaker socket on the same plane and keep the stub pole from applying force to the speaker pole socket.
I've thought about manufacturing something to do this in a different way. A square piece of metal larger than the speaker with strap tie on's points. A pole wielded to the bottom center that would fit over a tripod like a global truss 132 etc. A pole that would just fit into the speaker just slightly less than the 4 inches that goes into the speaker. The idea would be having the speaker sitting on the plate with the short pole keeping it steady / in place. Strapping from the top of the speaker down threw the plate to the bottom of the speaker tripod to keep the speaker solid too it.
My other idea was to use the current connecting brackets that keep 2 speakers connected together and somehow correctly attach that to the plate. Again with the stub pole mounted on the plate.
In the end though safety first. Knowing me I'd probably just buy the correct stuff and be done with it. The price of the sub mount and fly mount is a little much though. 1/3 the cost of the speaker to fly/mount it is not a great value but again safety first!
Douglas R. Allen
Renard Hurtado Do you have a picture of your setup?
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Hi, I have used this setup of couple of times ( one on top of the other), but I was always able to strap the handle way up on a trussing ( when used outside), indoors I just strapped it in case someone tries to push it over.
The speakers have made me some money, and last weekI decided to order the ( pricey) brackets, this will take some force from the internal pole socket. Next week on Wednesday I will ser them up in a hall at a shopping center: the band consists of; piano, bass, guitar, keyboards, drums, congas & timbales. 3 Vocals.
I will post some pics
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I've thought about manufacturing something to do this in a different way. A square piece of metal larger than the speaker with strap tie on's points. A pole wielded to the bottom center that would fit over a tripod like a global truss 132 etc. A pole that would just fit into the speaker just slightly less than the 4 inches that goes into the speaker. The idea would be having the speaker sitting on the plate with the short pole keeping it steady / in place. Strapping from the top of the speaker down threw the plate to the bottom of the speaker tripod to keep the speaker solid too it.
My other idea was to use the current connecting brackets that keep 2 speakers connected together and somehow correctly attach that to the plate. Again with the stub pole mounted on the plate.
Having something that shifted the pole mount to between the two coupled cabinets would be ideal. You'd still need a heavy duty tripod, but you'd get a lot of weight much lower and make it way more stable. Taking something like the db sub pole adapter and converting it into a coupler with a pole pocket would fit the bill I think. the hard part would be reverse-engineering their quick-release system for attaching everything.
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I picked up a set of IG2T's to go with my IG4T's. I've used 1 so far as a side fill. They are going out this weekend as small mains. They have a nice sound to weight ratio ;) so looking forward to this weekend.
Thanks to Mike Pyle on the sale!
Should anyone have any questions about them let me know.
Douglas R. Allen
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I picked up a set of IG2T's to go with my IG4T's. I've used 1 so far as a side fill. They are going out this weekend as small mains. They have a nice sound to weight ratio ;) so looking forward to this weekend.
Thanks to Mike Pyle on the sale!
Should anyone have any questions about them let me know.
Douglas R. Allen
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The Ingenia's are very interesting. I'd be curious to hear from those who have used them for a while how they see the pros/cons of this type design vs point source speakers. There are some amazing, relatively light weight point source designs on the market today, so when would you choose the Ingenia's over a point source and vice versa?
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The Ingenia's are very interesting. I'd be curious to hear from those who have used them for a while how they see the pros/cons of this type design vs point source speakers. There are some amazing, relatively light weight point source designs on the market today, so when would you choose the Ingenia's over a point source and vice versa?
For me it was , at least in the Ingenia line , a product designed so that it could be doubled up. This wasn't an after thought it was part of the design. Need a little more spl just turn one upside down and put on top of another and your good to go. Sure other point source can be set side to side but don't have the communication between them that passes information.
The weight, size form factor was also there. Most people don't see a Big speaker so they don't hear with their eyes. The IG4T is a "tall,skinny speaker" so it is easy to pack and of course is light compared to some. Easy for a 1 man and a van shows. Its very easy to get the height you need setting them on a tripod.
The Db Technologies RDnet is available to completely monitor the box as well as added eq above and beyond what is available in the power amp section back panel DSP. The Ingenia line is self powered and has 2 layers of delay, 3 band eq , many factory presets for other Db subs, adjustable Low Cut filters of 90 to 120 hz in 5 hz steps for the IG4T and 70hz to 120 in the IG2T. Of course storage area's for these settings.
Also price. When you say "Point Source" what speakers are you thinking of? Only a general comparison but for around the price of 1 Danley SM80 and before an amp is purchased to power it you can get 2 IG4T's.
What a person purchases for a speaker will always be a choice of the user. There is many cars,trucks and vans out there but everyone seems to want something different in the end. There is no "Right speaker" for everyone. Everything about a speaker, be it Line Array, Point Source , Column, or not so much point source Woofer and Horn box has to be looked at from SPL, Weight, Size , powered VS nonpowered and add in can it be flown etc to the bottom line price all need to be considered.
For me I'm very happy with the purchase I made. I know all types of speakers have there uses and won't get into a debate as to which is best. That said had the outside summer season not be winding down I would have picked up another set of IG4T's but with the winter inside season for me coming up I'll get much more use out of the IG2T's. Now next summer I do see some IG4T's 8)
A couple of video's showing the way the IG series couples and the RDnet program available
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeUv4qmAqeU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhCYYAsTUd0
Kindest Regards;
Douglas R. Allen
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Thanks Douglas! The IG series certainly have my interest. I'm not in a position to expand my inventory at the moment, but the IG's are going to be high on my list when I do. Easy one person transport and easy to scale are huge wins.
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Thanks Douglas! The IG series certainly have my interest. I'm not in a position to expand my inventory at the moment, but the IG's are going to be high on my list when I do. Easy one person transport and easy to scale are huge wins.
I really have had good luck and sound with mine. By far the easiest to put on a tripod and have good height from the get go. If you search IG4T here or search my name you should see more information. I compared mined to a 15 and horn here in a thread. Also there is a Db Technologies ES and Ingenia users group on Facebook with many users there.
Your welcome to contact me anytime and I should have some time on the IG2Ts here shortly and more time on the 4t's as well. After about a year with the 4t's they have been a great investment.
Kindest regards;
Douglas R. Allen
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I really have had good luck and sound with mine. By far the easiest to put on a tripod and have good height from the get go. If you search IG4T here or search my name you should see more information. I compared mined to a 15 and horn here in a thread. Also there is a Db Technologies ES and Ingenia users group on Facebook with many users there.
Your welcome to contact me anytime and I should have some time on the IG2Ts here shortly and more time on the 4t's as well. After about a year with the 4t's they have been a great investment.
Kindest regards;
Douglas R. Allen
Thanks again Douglas! I will certainly take you up on that when I'm ready to make the move. New subs are probably next in order for me though.....but more gigs is what I really need LoL!
Cheers,
Mark
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In a couple of months, I will have had 4 years with my IG4T's. For those who may have been thinking of them I thought I'd give an update. I'm still having great luck with them and the IG2T's I have as well. I'd still recommend them if they fit what you need them for. Another show last Friday with 1 IG4T a side with 1 center fill IG2T and LS801pb subs. (With the stage height the band was fine with the center fill there) and used my M32R mixer side of stage with out front on a tablet. The band supplied the monitors. Everything from IEM to Kustom,EV,and Peavey floor monitors. Nice show with around 300 people. An easy job for the speakers.
Just an update.
Douglas R. Allen
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Hey Douglas,
Thanks for the update after four years of use. I purchased a pair of IG4T based on your posts here at PSW. I purchased them mainly to be used for delays. I have used them several times as mains and have been very pleased with their performance, especially considering their size and weight.
How is your wife doing? I hope this note finds both of you doing well.
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Hey Douglas,
Thanks for the update after four years of use. I purchased a pair of IG4T based on your posts here at PSW. I purchased them mainly to be used for delays. I have used them several times as mains and have been very pleased with their performance, especially considering their size and weight.
How is your wife doing? I hope this note finds both of you doing well.
Good to hear your having good luck with your IG4T's. They do make for a great multipurpose speaker. Carol and I are enjoying each day as best we can. Thank you for asking. I hope life is treating you and your family well also.
Kindest Regards;
Douglas R. Allen
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I bought a pair of these based partly on Doug’s reputation and recommendation. They replaced a pair of DSR112s for me.
Summer, I did several outdoor gigs, the largest covering about 600 people, with this pair over a set of JBL 618XLF subs centered. The subs could not keep up. But outdoors in particular, the clarity, coverage angle, and interestingly the stereo separation of the IG4Ts really shone. Very, very easy to dial in great sound.
Sub upgraded to keep up.
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I bought a pair of these based partly on Doug’s reputation and recommendation. They replaced a pair of DSR112s for me.
Summer, I did several outdoor gigs, the largest covering about 600 people, with this pair over a set of JBL 618XLF subs centered. The subs could not keep up. But outdoors in particular, the clarity, coverage angle, and interestingly the stereo separation of the IG4Ts really shone. Very, very easy to dial in great sound.
Sub upgraded to keep up.
Thanks for sharing with everyone. Mine are still working great. No shows right now as the summer shows are done for the most part. I know I had another great summer with mine. Do post some pictures sometime if you get a chance.
This was during setup. I had both subs in the center to start but after testing I had better coverage with the subs this way. The tent really effected the bass in an odd way, so this was the solution. Very happy with the coverage and sound/spl with the Ingenia's. IG4Ts left and right with an IG2T in the center.
Thanks again;
Douglas R. Allen
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Update. I've had the IG4T's for 5 years now and a pair of IG2T for close to that long. No issues and still no reason to replace them. Did another outside show this weekend, around 250 to 300 people coming and going. Everything worked as it should. I still feel they are a good value for shows of this size.
Douglas R. Allen
This video was roughly 100 feet back from where the speakers were under the tent. The phone compressor and me turning the phone around causes the levels to go up and down along with the frequency response but for the most part with good quality headphones a person can make the band out. Really quite good overall for just a couple of speakers and subs with the sound coming from inside a tent. IG4T's L/R, Ls801pb subs and 1 IG2T in the center for fill.
Bandplaying (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1GRpYzZvL78)
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Video sounds great!