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Hey guys, I posted this over at the dugausers group, no response - wondering if someone may be able to help with either of these questions - thanks!
-I used 2 Dugan MY-16 cards in an LS9-32 the past few days. I could not get the insert points on the LS9-32 to be post fader. The "Insert Point Select Box" on the INSERT pop-up window read PRE EQ. But when I tried to select the box to change it to Post Fader, nothing happened. I did not see any option to change the insert point. The firmware was 1.33. Any suggestions?
-I have a question about how to balance mics with a Dugan system. Assume that inserts are post fader, and that there is a panel of 3 speakers..everyone gets on stage, and speaker 1 is quieter than speaker 2 and 3, and needs a volume boost. From what I understand, I have 2 ways of balancing these mics...
1.) either potting up the gain or sliding the fader up on speaker 1 (this will put more gain into the entire dugan's "pool" of gain to be shared by all active channels, right?)
2.) use the "weight" control to adjust the ratio of person 1 relative to the other 2 people, giving person 1 more access to the "pool" of gain (would this be making person 1 louder, or just turning the other 2 people down?)
Which is the recommended way while using the Dugan Automixer, and why? Please help me to compare these 2 options and the pros and cons of each.
Thanks in advance for your time!!
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I used 2 Dugan MY-16 cards in an LS9-32 the past few days. I could not get the insert points on the LS9-32 to be post fader. The "Insert Point Select Box" on the INSERT pop-up window read PRE EQ. But when I tried to select the box to change it to Post Fader, nothing happened. I did not see any option to change the insert point. The firmware was 1.33. Any suggestions?
You put the cursor on the box then use the data wheel to select the various insert points.
I have a question about how to balance mics with a Dugan system. Assume that inserts are post fader, and that there is a panel of 3 speakers..everyone gets on stage, and speaker 1 is quieter than speaker 2 and 3, and needs a volume boost. From what I understand, I have 2 ways of balancing these mics...
1.) either potting up the gain or sliding the fader up on speaker 1 (this will put more gain into the entire dugan's "pool" of gain to be shared by all active channels, right?)
2.) use the "weight" control to adjust the ratio of person 1 relative to the other 2 people, giving person 1 more access to the "pool" of gain (would this be making person 1 louder, or just turning the other 2 people down?)
Which is the recommended way while using the Dugan Automixer, and why? Please help me to compare these 2 options and the pros and cons of each.
You just mix like you would without a Dugan inserted. If someone is a low speaker they need to be raised in the mix to be balanced with the other mics. If a channel requires noticeably more gain than the others to be balanced there may be a slight pumping of the background noise as the mics get raised and lowered by the automixer.
Mac
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You put the cursor on the box then use the data wheel to select the various insert points.
You just mix like you would without a Dugan inserted. If someone is a low speaker they need to be raised in the mix to be balanced with the other mics. If a channel requires noticeably more gain than the others to be balanced there may be a slight pumping of the background noise as the mics get raised and lowered by the automixer.
Mac
Mac, you are the man - thanks.
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Kellen,
In addition to Mac's advice, don't overlook turning the Insert "ON".
Bypass the inserts (or the Dugan processing channel) to ring out the room, then turn it back on.
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Kellen,
In addition to Mac's advice, don't overlook turning the Insert "ON".
Bypass the inserts (or the Dugan processing channel) to ring out the room, then turn it back on.
So is this your SOP when using a Dugan?
Ring the mics out and EQ before you insert the Dugan (just as you didnt have it), and then insert it on all channels?
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So is this your SOP when using a Dugan?
Ring the mics out and EQ before you insert the Dugan (just as you didnt have it), and then insert it on all channels?
Typically, when using an automixer setup like with the Dugan cards, DC., you are using multiples of the same microphones. Of course there will be disparities between feedback freqs from spot to spot, but you can generally EQ the same types of mics as a whole (via bussing them all to the same mix/group/whatever) and then use individual channel EQ to smooth out irregularities in tone and the like.
Since the insert point for the automixing is on a per-channel basis, sending everything through a dedicated EQ is not an issue.
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Typically, when using an automixer setup like with the Dugan cards, DC., you are using multiples of the same microphones. Of course there will be disparities between feedback freqs from spot to spot, but you can generally EQ the same types of mics as a whole (via bussing them all to the same mix/group/whatever) and then use individual channel EQ to smooth out irregularities in tone and the like.
Since the insert point for the automixing is on a per-channel basis, sending everything through a dedicated EQ is not an issue.
To swerve OT, Jordan, what the hell are they doing to Haddon ave? I was trying to grab a bite the other day on my way through town and ended up just turning around and heading down the pike.
Also, you should load up the car with high pass filters and head down to the aquarium. They are in dire need of one on just about every open mic in the joint.
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To swerve OT, Jordan, what the hell are they doing to Haddon ave? I was trying to grab a bite the other day on my way through town and ended up just turning around and heading down the pike.
Hayden,
Is that what's going on past Cuthbert Blvd.? I don't drive down that way too frequently, so I'm not sure...probably just "typical" roadwork.
Also, you should load up the car with high pass filters and head down to the aquarium. They are in dire need of one on just about every open mic in the joint.
In my experience, most aquariums are just one, giant standing wave...needs the D60 fix.
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Hayden,
Is that what's going on past Cuthbert Blvd.? I don't drive down that way too frequently, so I'm not sure...probably just "typical" roadwork.
In my experience, most aquariums are just one, giant standing wave...needs the D60 fix.
Lotta leakage with the D60 EQ, though...
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Lotta leakage with the D60 EQ, though...
Yeah, well I like my vox wet. ;-)
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Hey guys, I posted this over at the dugausers group, no response - wondering if someone may be able to help with either of these questions - thanks!
-I used 2 Dugan MY-16 cards in an LS9-32 the past few days. I could not get the insert points on the LS9-32 to be post fader. The "Insert Point Select Box" on the INSERT pop-up window read PRE EQ. But when I tried to select the box to change it to Post Fader, nothing happened. I did not see any option to change the insert point. The firmware was 1.33. Any suggestions?
-I have a question about how to balance mics with a Dugan system. Assume that inserts are post fader, and that there is a panel of 3 speakers..everyone gets on stage, and speaker 1 is quieter than speaker 2 and 3, and needs a volume boost. From what I understand, I have 2 ways of balancing these mics...
1.) either potting up the gain or sliding the fader up on speaker 1 (this will put more gain into the entire dugan's "pool" of gain to be shared by all active channels, right?)
2.) use the "weight" control to adjust the ratio of person 1 relative to the other 2 people, giving person 1 more access to the "pool" of gain (would this be making person 1 louder, or just turning the other 2 people down?)
Which is the recommended way while using the Dugan Automixer, and why? Please help me to compare these 2 options and the pros and cons of each.
Thanks in advance for your time!!
I prefer to use the weighting on the Dugan to compensate for extra soft or loud speakers. This way I can keep the mic gains relatively close. Sometimes, however, you don't have the luxury of sound checks to dial this all in. In that case, mixing with the faders works just fine.....