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Title: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on July 07, 2010, 10:46:01 pm
I know it seems like a fairly easy task, and I am confident I have the ability and tools to do so, but was looking for some suggestions. I have an outside gig coming up next month for a benefit, and the budget is next to nothing so I'm thinking about building a riser myself and renting it out in the future when desired. It will be kept in my 6x12 trailer. Not really sure on dimensions, but I would like to keep it as light as possible without sacrificing the rigidity of the structure. I was thinking of somehow make it fold into half with casters so that it can be rolled and will take up less room in the trailer. I was thinking 10-12" in height would suffice. Any suggestions on the matter?
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Rich Grisier on July 07, 2010, 11:38:42 pm
A local drummer I know built himself a nice riser.  It folds in half and has two casters on it so it rolls on edge.  For legs he used mini versions of those collapsible cafeteria table legs.  Not sure where he got them.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Brent Gillespie on July 07, 2010, 11:39:41 pm
Hi Benjamin.  I've seen a few different designs on the internet (Google) as well as in the search feature  here on PSW.  Some basic designs  on the base of the platform  use one similar  to a waterbed  base.   Also,  you can checkout  the website  proriser.com .  That guy has designed what looks like a very sturdy yet portable riser.  Just some thoughts.   Regards,  brent
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on July 08, 2010, 12:04:56 am
I am thinking of have a 3 rows of 3 removable legs, that way packing in the trailer is very minimum. I really like how the Pro Riser folds in 4 pieces, good idea, along with the rear drum throne rail.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Ron Kimball on July 08, 2010, 12:21:39 am
One common thing you see is 5 gallon buckets used as legs - they stack nicely for transport Smile :
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDi splay?storeId=10051&productId=100672965&langId=-1&am p;catalogId=10053&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=100672965&a mp;cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D24X-_-100672965
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Silas Pradetto on July 08, 2010, 12:28:16 am
I highly recommend these:

http://www.intellistage.com/

Very light, very mobile, nicely made, and not overly expensive. A couple rentals should pay for the setup. Four of the 4x4 foot sections with the 12" legs would make a great drum riser. I'm planning on getting a set 2 feet tall for my own inventory at some point.

Anything that's holding people up or being held above people should be done right, because if it fails...........
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on July 08, 2010, 12:43:17 am
I really dont want to or feel safe using 5 gallon buckets. Just doesnt seem like it'd be secure enough. These pre fab'd risers are nice, but as I said there really isnt a budget for this, nor is it something I plan to rent often at all.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Jeff Wheeler on July 08, 2010, 12:50:13 am
Benjamin (BJ) Fisher wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 23:43

as I said there really isnt a budget for this, nor is it something I plan to rent often at all.

Sounds like building one is a bad business decision.  I would tell the benefit organizers that they need to use some of their projected proceeds to rent one, ask one of the drummers to supply it, or do without it.  Beggars can't be choosers.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on July 08, 2010, 12:57:40 am
Jeff Wheeler wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 23:50

Benjamin (BJ) Fisher wrote on Wed, 07 July 2010 23:43

as I said there really isnt a budget for this, nor is it something I plan to rent often at all.

Sounds like building one is a bad business decision.  I would tell the benefit organizers that they need to use some of their projected proceeds to rent one, ask one of the drummers to supply it, or do without it.  Beggars can't be choosers.

This really isnt a "business decision" at all though. And I am actually one of the organizers. Its not a big deal, its just something I do each summer for a friend of mine that passed away from Lymphoma last year. All (if any) proceeds go to a local non profit music organization. I'm simply doing this because I would like to.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Dave Rickard on July 08, 2010, 02:08:19 am
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/47085/45149 2/503/
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on July 08, 2010, 02:14:19 am
Dave, all I saw in that thread was a flat bed trailer (no), and pallets (not something thats real mobile or small to store in my trailer)....
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Eric Baker on July 08, 2010, 06:14:10 am
http://metalkraft.com/
And some Plywood.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Ron Kimball on July 08, 2010, 09:50:18 am
Benjamin (BJ) Fisher wrote on Thu, 08 July 2010 05:43

I really dont want to or feel safe using 5 gallon buckets. Just doesnt seem like it'd be secure enough.
safer than cheapie furniture legs I'd think? Anyways here's an 8x8 based on that:
  http://www.ehow.com/how_5799152_build-portable-drum-riser.ht ml
You're certainly not gonna do it cheaper or easier Cool .

EDIT> Looks suspiciously like a ProRiser, doesn't it Wink :
http://proriser.com/How_It_Works.html
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Callan Carnahan on July 08, 2010, 10:39:55 am
Ben, we built a riser a few years back to take to our own band's shows, but we didn't rent it out to others - much like your situation. We used 2 4x8 sheets of plywood, industrial carpet (just your typical blue-pattern berber carpet), and some 2x4's around to make a rudimentary frame. At first, we got about 40 milk cartons, put it up on those (it was surprisingly sturdy) and hung a curtain around it so no one could tell how shoddy it was  Cool after that, a buddy of ours who scraps metal found collapsible stage pieces that were shot to hell (from and old high school or something), but we took the legs and bolted those on. Still sittin' in the trailer! We haven't used it in a while, but the collapsible legs really do help. I'd never rent the thing to anyone, though. Look into getting some from that link that Eric posted.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Mike McNany on July 08, 2010, 10:41:43 am
The fold flat waterbed style riser plan site is gone, just tried it. Basically, here's what you do:

1. Use 2 sheets of 5/8" plywood for the top, hinge them together.

2. Get boards in the width you desire for height. Cut them to the size needed for your platform size (maybe a little under)

3. Attach the adjoining sides in two diagonally OPPOSITE corners so there are two 2 piece folding boards. Attach the other two opposing corners with hinges but buy or make L shaped pull out hinge pins for those.

4. So far you have an unsupported box. Now for the supports. Take boards of the same width as the sides, cut them into approximately 4 foot lengths. Now cut a slot the depth of the board half way though it at it's center. Two of these make an X when slotted together and make for a very firm internal support. You will probably want at least 2 X's under the platform.

The weight of the drums should hold everything together but you could get fancier and add stop strips to the plaform bottom that the frame sets into. You can glue carpet to it and you can cut hand holds near the platform's edge for lifting it up.

A simple design that works and packs well for under $100 in materials.

Mike McNany
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Jay Summers on July 08, 2010, 11:21:06 am
I can co-sign on the bucket riser. I built one and use it every weekend (I'm a drummer).

I started looking at Pro Riser and thought that it was essentially the same concept as the bucket riser so I got two pieces of 1/2 inch plywood and put them together with big hinges. Got some aluminum channel to put around the edge of the wood (didn't like the sharp wood edges), and 9 buckets. I throw a huge black banquet table cloth over it and it looks totally legit.

I've been using it for over a year and it's performed well. People freak out when I'm tearing down and they see I've been sitting on buckets all night.

All of that is to say, if you're going to rent out a riser, I would make it a true professional riser. If a client ever fell off and got hurt, it wouldn't matter what actually caused it, they'd blame it on the buckets.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 08, 2010, 12:12:15 pm
Keep your eye out for "Mitchell" risers or stage platforms.  You might remember them from highschool band... Heavy as they can be, sturdy, and recognized as being fit for the job they do.  They come in 8" height increments.  Many schools and municipal facilities are replacing old Mitchell risers with Wenger VersaLite; you might find these in local government surplus auctions.

Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Matt Martin on July 08, 2010, 01:55:19 pm
I built a drum riser for me a couple of years ago. If you could get access to some power tools  some 2x8 pine boards, and vantech flooring do some wonder for a sturdy riser. I made mine with door hinges in the corners that way it can be taken all apart. This will be heavy as hell, but won't fall apart.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on July 08, 2010, 02:06:01 pm
Thanks for the options guys. I will come up with something light and portable. Good ideas!
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Terry Martin on July 08, 2010, 02:31:17 pm
I use 3/4" ply hinged to form a 6' x 8' platform.  This sets on 3 sections of triangle truss.  Been doing it for years with no problems.  I don't rent it out, but wouldn't mind if I was doing the show.

Its a little shy of 12" high, but works well.  

I use a drape around front and sides.  
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Matt Martin on July 08, 2010, 10:35:07 pm
Terry Martin wrote on Thu, 08 July 2010 13:31

I use 3/4" ply hinged to form a 6' x 8' platform.  This sets on 3 sections of triangle truss.  Been doing it for years with no problems.  I don't rent it out, but wouldn't mind if I was doing the show.

Its a little shy of 12" high, but works well.  

I use a drape around front and sides.  




Can you post any pics of this?
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Steven Leonard on July 08, 2010, 11:46:18 pm
yes I'd like to see a pic too!!! Sounds cool!
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Terry Martin on July 09, 2010, 07:35:51 am
I don't have any pics available of just the riser.  You can go to SixtyFourEast.com and go to the videos section and see it in action.  

However, its not going to show you much about the riser - other than the fact that it didn't dump my a$$ during the show.  

Its really as simple as it sounds.  I started with (2) 4x8 sheets of plywood. Crosscut them to 4x6. Added (3) hinges to form an 8' wide by 6' deep "bed". I then place (3) 6' sections of tri-truss, evenly spaced, in the W direction under the "bed".  Actually, you place the truss first, then the "bed".  

It doesn't strap, bolt, lash together at all.  it doesn't move once its loaded with gear.  I feel safe on it.  

I also cut the front corners off to prevent shin damage on small stages, as well as cut hand/grip holes in the plywood to enable easier manuevering from trailer to venue.

Terry

Matt Martin wrote on Thu, 08 July 2010 22:35

Terry Martin wrote on Thu, 08 July 2010 13:31

I use 3/4" ply hinged to form a 6' x 8' platform.  This sets on 3 sections of triangle truss.  Been doing it for years with no problems.  I don't rent it out, but wouldn't mind if I was doing the show.

Its a little shy of 12" high, but works well.  

I use a drape around front and sides.  




Can you post any pics of this?

Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: E. Lee Dickinson on July 09, 2010, 10:17:33 am
We do basically the same thing - simple platforms resting on truss. Either 12" triangle truss or 16" box truss, depending on the size of the stage.
Title: Re: Building Portable Drum Riser
Post by: Gary Perrett on July 09, 2010, 01:10:47 pm
I've built a couple, a corner one for those ghastly corner stages and a rectangular one for the rest. The top is ply that is hinged and carpeted for both. The bottom is cut from 1/2" ply that is the height you want it and then mitered to interlock. There are 4 sides that have metal corners (farm tailgate type available @ hardware stores) and 2 interlocking cross pieces that tie the bottom together. The platform is smaller than the top but the cross braces go all the way to the outside edge..(are tapered back to the bottom to help keep from tripping on them) this is important because I added small blocks that lock the top to these extensions. This makes for a very rigid platform that does not have any instability in the top. I did add a small piece that slips in the space under the drummers throne that keeps it from bouncing.

This all stores as a stack of ply about 8" tall by 6'-8' long by however wide. I also cut in holes for a sound activated light (the Fearsome foursome Laughing like the avenger fixture and fog...pretty impressive with the lights and fog Very Happy
G