Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 25, 2007, 10:57:05 PM
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on October 25, 2007, 10:59:21 PM
Evan
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 25, 2007, 11:56:15 PM
Post by: Bennett Prescott on October 26, 2007, 12:11:27 AM
(sorry, I couldn't resist)
Post by: Brian Bolly on October 26, 2007, 12:59:19 AM
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Thu, 25 October 2007 22:59 |
|
Quoth Dave Lowum: "Those breakers are gonna trip faster than the town drunk."
Time to get thee a RacPac. And a deeper rack.
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 26, 2007, 01:12:05 AM
Post by: Mike McNany on October 26, 2007, 12:14:08 PM
Too cheap to put two more screws in the upper front blank panel?
Here's mine, front (rear to follow). The band logo plate replaced a DRPA moved to FOH. And the logo plate is currently replace by a dbx223XL crossover (spare/aux fed subs). DRPA will return to amp rack when upped to 10RU and FOH upped to 12RU from the current 10RU.
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on October 26, 2007, 12:18:34 PM
| Mike McNany wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 12:14 |
Evan, Too cheap to put two more screws in the upper front blank panel? |
Of course not. Its just a temporary place holder until I put a new toy in there.
Im hoping to have it in soon...
Evan
Post by: Mike McNany on October 26, 2007, 12:23:08 PM
Post by: David C Nickerson on October 26, 2007, 01:04:13 PM
Took me a minute...
| Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 00:11 |
Here's mine: (sorry, I couldn't resist) |
Post by: Brian Bolly on October 26, 2007, 02:22:04 PM
3x Crown MA3600VZ
1x QSC PL 9.0 PFC
Post by: Ned Cullen on October 26, 2007, 03:00:24 PM
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 26, 2007, 03:12:22 PM
PS: QSC's don't like spade connectors! not a good contact...
Post by: Jamin Lynch on October 26, 2007, 03:17:52 PM
Post by: Brian Bolly on October 26, 2007, 03:41:02 PM
| Ned Cullen wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 15:00 |
What speaker wire do you guys use for the binding posts to rack panel? |
Generally West Penn 227 (12 AWG 2C)
Post by: Dan Brandesky on October 26, 2007, 03:50:56 PM
-Dan
Post by: Ned Cullen on October 26, 2007, 03:57:47 PM
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 26, 2007, 04:10:29 PM
Post by: Jason Dermer on October 26, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
Post by: Ned Cullen on October 26, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
I didn't see the Proco wire there. Actually didn't see any 12-2 under pro sound speaker wire.
Post by: Phil LaDue on October 26, 2007, 04:58:30 PM
Post by: Phil LaDue on October 26, 2007, 04:59:04 PM
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 26, 2007, 05:12:03 PM
Post by: Tom Manchester on October 26, 2007, 06:42:58 PM
I have since added another 6 space EWI rack and 2 more XS1200's for a 4 mix monitor rack.
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on October 26, 2007, 10:45:38 PM
Post by: Derek Shawver on October 27, 2007, 12:42:48 AM
| Jamin Lynch wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 14:17 |
Uhhhh...what if I have all self powered cabs? |
then you won't need an amp rack......just a crossover
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 27, 2007, 01:21:05 AM
Post by: Lester Moran on October 27, 2007, 01:50:15 AM
Les
Post by: Lester Moran on October 27, 2007, 02:04:14 AM
Les
Post by: Alfred_Mapanao on October 27, 2007, 02:38:56 AM
Post by: Alfred_Mapanao on October 27, 2007, 02:40:50 AM
Post by: Lester Moran on October 27, 2007, 04:13:05 AM
| Alfred Mapanao wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 07:38 |
Am I the only one that thinks the rear of an amp rack is much more sexier? |
Nope.
Les
Post by: Drew Curtis on October 27, 2007, 04:38:24 AM
Post by: Derek Shawver on October 27, 2007, 08:28:54 AM
| Micky Basiliere wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 00:21 |
"Self Powered" = HEAVY,EXPENSIVE,CABLE HUNGRY,and FRAGILE!(and don't like moisture outside of road cases!!!Another expensive investment!!! hehehe |
agreed
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on October 27, 2007, 08:47:58 AM
| Alfred Mapanao wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 23:38 |
Am I the only one that thinks the rear of an amp rack is much more sexier? |
Where I work we call that a Thermal Shutdown!
Sexy.....Maybe
Efficient cooling in 110 degree weather....Not even close!
Post by: Bennett Prescott on October 27, 2007, 12:14:30 PM
| Micky Basiliere wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 01:21 |
"Self Powered" = HEAVY,EXPENSIVE,CABLE HUNGRY,and FRAGILE!(and don't like moisture outside of road cases!!!Another expensive investment!!! hehehe |
It's fine if you don't like self-powered, some people don't, I don't know why, and I don't really care (if plugging two connections into one speaker is really that much of a big deal for you, I suggest therapy). However, I believe a quick look at the marketplace will make it obvious that you're spreading short-sighted misinformation based on (perhaps) a woefully inadequate survey of currently available options.
Now, obviously, I work for a powered speaker manufacturer, but I like to think I'm a pretty down to earth guy and if these products were a scam to take your money and make you buy different cabling I'm sure a few people would have caught on by now. Considering some of the best regarded speakers in the industry are self powered, I'm pretty sure someone's looking at the big picture when they do their purchasing.
If you would prefer to debate with me point by point, I welcome it, but please start another thread, and I suggest doing some basic research to get your facts straight beforehand.
P.S. As for "don't like moisture", I don't think it's necessary to re-post the photo from a show I did with Jason a few months ago where I left two full powered line array hangs plus subs, fills, and 6 monitor mixes up in typhoon-like conditions (on land), and after the rain had subsided several hours later flipped the main power back on and ran the show.
Post by: Phil LaDue on October 27, 2007, 12:20:14 PM
| Bennett Prescott wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 12:14 |
P.S. As for "don't like moisture", I don't think it's necessary to re-post the photo from a show I did with Jason a few months ago where I left two full powered line array hangs plus subs, fills, and 6 monitor mixes up in typhoon-like conditions (on land), and after the rain had subsided several hours later flipped the main power back on and ran the show. |
To add to that, I had a tent flap full of rain water cave in right on top of an ATA 118.
I pulled the power, flipped it over and wiped it with a towel.
Five minutes and a move later we were good to go.
Post by: Whit Hutchinson on October 27, 2007, 12:44:35 PM
| Lester Moran wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 06:50 |
Les |
Les,
Please do tell. What in the hell is a MicroTech 600 LX? And how does it differ from the Microtech 600 with the controls in the rear and few indicators?
I am not at all familiar with this amp.
Post by: Tom Manchester on October 27, 2007, 12:59:27 PM
Post by: Lester Moran on October 27, 2007, 01:11:25 PM
| Tom Manchester wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 17:59 |
IIRC the Microtech 600lx was the predecessor to the modern microtech 600. It had the looks of a macrotech but the controls were on the front instead of the back. |
...Not exactly. When the MA/MT line came out, there was a Microtech that was configured as you still know it, (different front, knobs on back), AND the "Microtech LX", which was the original name of what you know now as the "Macrotech" family. I was told Crown decided to change the "LX" portion of the line's name to "Macrotech" to reduce confusion caused by the similarity of the original names.
I bought that amp new. I think in the mid to late eighties.
Les
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 27, 2007, 01:30:58 PM
I think your being alittle defensive here??? I just pointed out a couple of "posssible drawbacks" And this is just my opinion!
Not facts at all,so guess i did nothing wrong here. I'm just trying to get some ideas for my new Amp rig,and it's nice to see other peoples creations... Micky
Post by: Scott Smith on October 27, 2007, 01:41:19 PM
Post by: Jason Dermer on October 27, 2007, 02:01:59 PM
Weather:
http://livesound.ca.newsmemory.com/ee/livesound/default_ezin e.php?token=jXWFXmAcjgCLQ0JflBWHrXBrX2
Cabling:
http://www.linkitaly.com:8080/public/jsp/frameset.jsp
Power:
No more or less power is needed than a properly powered system with racks of amplification.
Expensive:
Right in line with what you would pay for the combination of unpowered boxes, processing, amps, and racks.
Fragile:
Again, no more so than their unpowered counterparts.
Can you please elaborate on where your feelings on powered systems comes from?
There are real pluses and minuses to powered and unpowered boxes, and an hour with the "search" function should bring you to plenty of good debate from both camps. In the end, use whichever suits your client's and your own needs the best, but please do not make uninformed blanket statements about an entire realm of SR equipment that you likely have not had much experience with.
Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on October 27, 2007, 02:04:08 PM
| Micky Basiliere wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 22:21 |
"Self Powered" = HEAVY,EXPENSIVE,CABLE HUNGRY,and FRAGILE!(and don't like moisture outside of road cases!!!Another expensive investment!!! hehehe |
1. Not heavy. Maybe 10% more than passive. Huge weight reduction by virtue of losing speaker amp racks. I also gained lots of footprint in the trailer as well.
2. Not more expensive. Expensive - sure - Like any pro-audio gear.
3. Cable hungry. Actually less cable weight. An XLR and a 12/3, instead of 14/8.
4. Not at all fragile. Not susceptible to moisture problems. But they do get covered in the rain - same as conventional speakers.
My ISP self-powered rig has proven to be a very useful investment.
Self-powered works very well in my situation, where limited setup time, and suspect power is the norm.
Post by: Bruce Gering on October 27, 2007, 02:54:16 PM
Post by: Lester Moran on October 27, 2007, 03:12:29 PM
| Bruce Gering wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 19:54 |
...why are the AC cords in a coil instead of figure 8? |
...so people on PSW could get all pissy with each other arguing about which is better?
Les
edit: added smilie-face so the easily offended would know I am not being personally critical, but rather full of good-natured humor...
Post by: Hasse Queisser on October 27, 2007, 04:29:55 PM
. I don't have as many of them (yet), but the three racks like the one in the pics below are more than enough for me right now. 70kW of PowerLights gets you a long way Post by: Hasse Queisser on October 27, 2007, 04:31:17 PM
Post by: Shane Presley on October 27, 2007, 06:08:50 PM
Post by: Shane Presley on October 27, 2007, 06:10:03 PM
Post by: E. Lee Dickinson on October 27, 2007, 06:17:15 PM
Hey. Can someone tell me what on earth I need (aside from rear rails) to make the 90 degree turn for the back rack ears? I know a lot of other people use 2x4s.. but I plan to put in rear rails anyway.
Post by: Dan Brown on October 27, 2007, 07:03:22 PM
db
[edit - new pic]
Post by: Dan Brown on October 27, 2007, 07:07:34 PM
db
[Edit - new pic]
Post by: Bill McKenna on October 27, 2007, 08:49:53 PM
Post by: Jon Smith on October 27, 2007, 10:25:01 PM
| E. Lee Dickinson wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 16:17 |
I'm with Tom on the XS series. Hey. Can someone tell me what on earth I need (aside from rear rails) to make the 90 degree turn for the back rack ears? I know a lot of other people use 2x4s.. but I plan to put in rear rails anyway. |
Lee,
Here is a link to what I used. It is a Mid-Atlantic product.
http://www.performanceaudio.com/cgi/product_view.cgi?product s_id=2372
They have 3 sizes. I agree on the XS also. I will post a picture.
Jon
Post by: Whit Hutchinson on October 28, 2007, 01:53:56 AM
Also, I hate every one of you guys with the big Camco banks and PL banks
Some people can afford to push major SPLs with moderate current draw.
Post by: Brad Gibson on October 28, 2007, 11:12:21 AM
Post by: Scott Hibbard on October 28, 2007, 12:48:18 PM
ScottH
Post by: Anton Stjernbrant on October 29, 2007, 04:56:57 AM
/ Anton
Post by: Alex Marine on October 29, 2007, 06:12:31 AM
| E. Lee Dickinson wrote on Sat, 27 October 2007 15:17 |
Is that a wireless router I see in your rack? Is that how you are controlling your 260s? If so how does that work?
Post by: dave stojan on October 29, 2007, 08:09:50 AM
Post by: E. Lee Dickinson on October 29, 2007, 08:21:17 AM
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/27308/0/0/1 7386/
I am using a combination of the router and some ethernet-serial device servers from Sena - The LS100 and LS100w.
More details in the other thread but, in short, it works well for adjustments, but not very well for configuration.
Post by: The Guy on October 29, 2007, 08:45:42 AM
-JB
Post by: John Weston on October 29, 2007, 09:32:50 AM
Post by: Scott Smith on October 29, 2007, 10:38:43 AM
| Jim Bowersox wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 08:45 |
Flame suit on...time for the Improper Cooling argument! Here are 2 of my 4 FOH racks. I've never had a problem with cooling, even driving the living hell out of it. |
Oh yes...breaking all the PSW rules! ...and getting away with it!
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on October 29, 2007, 12:11:00 PM
| John Weston wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 09:32 |
what kinda rig do those two amp racks power? |
Lots of blue boxes:
(Turbo 21's and flashlights)
Sometimes floodlights and LAB subs as well.
Jim likes lots of power.
Evan
Post by: Bennett Prescott on October 29, 2007, 12:14:00 PM
| Jim Bowersox wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 08:45 |
I've never had a problem with cooling, even driving the living hell out of it. |
Jim,
We all know the audience wouldn't be loving that in Arizona.
Post by: Rob Spence on October 29, 2007, 12:23:31 PM
And the hot air from the Crown's rises out the rear.Post by: Evan Kirkendall on October 29, 2007, 12:50:23 PM
| Rob Spence wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 12:23 |
But Jim, the PL6.0 blows cool air out the front And the hot air from the Crown's rises out the rear. |
6.0?!
Rob,
Im sure you meant PL9.0.
Jim dont use no stinkin' PL6.0's.
Evan
Post by: SteveKirby on October 29, 2007, 01:13:03 PM
Post by: Donnie Evans on October 29, 2007, 01:24:00 PM
Post by: Whit Hutchinson on October 29, 2007, 10:12:13 PM
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 16:11 | ||
Lots of blue boxes: Jim likes lots of power. Evan |
How is that rig pictured powered? All subs LR Mono on the PL 9.0 and each Flashlight on one of the 3,600s bridged?
Post by: Rob Spence on October 29, 2007, 10:14:54 PM
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 12:50 | ||
6.0?! Rob, Im sure you meant PL9.0. Jim dont use no stinkin' PL6.0's. Evan |
Aw, I got the 9 upside down
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on October 29, 2007, 10:19:01 PM
| Whit Hutchinson wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 22:12 | ||||
How is that rig pictured powered? All subs LR Mono on the PL 9.0 and each Flashlight on one of the 3,600s bridged? |
3 subs per side of the 9.0
MA3600 stereo on the highs
MA3600 Stereo on the mids
MA3600 stereo on the lows
I believe in the shop he just had all 3 top boxes daisy chained together. Why he needs 4 mains racks, I have no idea. We were doing 120dbA in the shop with headroom to spare!
Evan
Post by: Igor Mamuzic on October 29, 2007, 11:19:38 PM
Post by: Phil LaDue on October 29, 2007, 11:28:01 PM
Hell of a home audio system!!!
Post by: Micky Basiliere on October 29, 2007, 11:43:48 PM
Post by: Phil LaDue on October 29, 2007, 11:49:30 PM
Post by: Rico Santana on October 30, 2007, 12:21:36 AM
Post by: Brian Bolly on October 30, 2007, 10:21:29 AM
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Mon, 29 October 2007 22:19 | ||||||
3 subs per side of the 9.0 MA3600 stereo on the highs MA3600 Stereo on the mids MA3600 stereo on the lows I believe in the shop he just had all 3 top boxes daisy chained together. Why he needs 4 mains racks, I have no idea. We were doing 120dbA in the shop with headroom to spare! Evan |
Correction...
Assuming one rack is running a small stereo rig:
MA3600 #1 - HF (L&R)
MA3600 #2 - Ch 1 Lo ; Ch 2 Mid (Left)
MA3600 #3 - Ch 1 Lo ; Ch 2 Mid (Right)
PL9.0 PFC - Sub (L&R)
Whit, a Flashlight is a triamp only box. Each rack like that "can" do 8 tops and 8 subs, but when you're doing 12/16 or 16/16 per side, you need more amplifiers...
Post by: Jon Pejtersen on October 30, 2007, 07:51:04 PM
All "digital" PWM/SMPS amps. (PSSO are "budget" Powersoft copies)
>Can handle this baby all by myself if neccesary
PSSO DP3400 for subs(Dual-18's)
PSSO DP2400 for 15" Low mid section
PSSO DP1200 for 10"/1,4" mid/high section
Panels/vents/connections on the back. Used it for the first time this friday on an indoor highschool DJ-gig,
Speakers used at the gig were only a dual-18 sub and 3way (all horn!) topboxes per side.
Plenty of power (and headroom) for almost 500 people.
Post by: Daniel Nickleski on October 30, 2007, 07:51:05 PM
Daniel
Post by: Tim Koskamp on October 30, 2007, 11:33:45 PM
| Jon Pejtersen wrote on Tue, 30 October 2007 18:51 |
...All "digital" PWM/SMPS amps. (PSSO are "budget" Powersoft copies)... |
fyi: Looks like the PSSO amps come from the same manufacturing line as the Face Audio class D amps:
http://www.faceaudio.com/product_list_4.html
Tim Koskamp
Post by: Gabe Nahshon on October 30, 2007, 11:54:34 PM
I only have a backside picture in front of me. On the top you see a 15 channel AMP G2 input and through and a four channel input panel that, on the inside, fans out to xlr tails to allow patching as is needed to the amp inputs. On the bottom you see 3 tajimi connectors, containing 6 channels each. So the patching is obviously very powerful. In conclusion you see the 2 L14-30 cables for AC input.
All of the full size amp racks are like this. These happen to contain 4 crown 5002s each.
Cheers,
Gabe
Post by: Derek Shawver on October 31, 2007, 07:04:34 AM
| Gabe Nahshon wrote on Tue, 30 October 2007 22:54 |
These happen to contain 4 crown 5002s each. |
Yikes...Got Forklift?
Post by: John Halliburton on October 31, 2007, 01:55:09 PM
On the other end of the spectrum, here are two of main amp racks,
with newly loaded PLX3602's.
I figure I dropped 30lbs. from the pair by switching out the old Crowns. My back is grateful.
Best regards,
John
Post by: Mike Caldwell on October 31, 2007, 04:59:33 PM
Mike Caldwell
Post by: Cris Lave on October 31, 2007, 08:18:20 PM
Post by: John Halliburton on October 31, 2007, 08:24:08 PM
Mike Caldwell"
Yup. ;>)
And I use a vintage D75 on my headphones at FOH.
John
Post by: Anton Stjernbrant on October 31, 2007, 08:25:43 PM
Post by: Brian Wynn on November 01, 2007, 12:06:41 AM
Post by: Brian Wynn on November 01, 2007, 12:07:51 AM
Post by: Mike Caldwell on November 01, 2007, 12:32:27 AM
Mike Caldwell
| John Halliburton wrote on Wed, 31 October 2007 20:24 |
"Is that a Urie power amp still earning it's space in the amp rack! Mike Caldwell" Yup. ;>) And I use a vintage D75 on my headphones at FOH. John |
Post by: Cris Lave on November 01, 2007, 05:02:53 AM
Post by: Rick Byers on November 01, 2007, 07:03:32 AM
Post by: Cris Lave on November 01, 2007, 01:43:55 PM
I will say the LG6400 sits comfortable on top of Crown.
Post by: MartinGajta on November 01, 2007, 06:22:29 PM
+CTS3000 for subs
7001 chA bass chB bass
7001 chA highs chB mids
driverack260 (to divide certain frequencies to amplifier channels
)and limit and delayI have 1 rack per side
Post by: Mark Walter on November 02, 2007, 09:28:37 AM
Post by: Jason Joseph on November 02, 2007, 09:35:08 AM
Post by: Rob Spence on November 02, 2007, 10:53:13 AM
Post by: John Halliburton on November 02, 2007, 11:02:47 AM
| John Halliburton wrote on Wed, 31 October 2007 12:55 |
Yikes...Got Forklift? I figure I dropped 30lbs. from the pair by switching out the old Crowns. My back is grateful. Best regards, John |
And here's an update, the system out on the first gig with the new amps for a marathon fundraiser last Sunday-it's just a quick cell phone camera shot. The room is an old gymnasium, almost square, and mostly plaster. Loading requires schlepping gear up twenty steps, a nice touch. There is an elevator being added currently, but it's not operational.
They paid attention when I mentioned years ago to build the stage solid, with carpet-they even covered the wall behind the stage. The far wall is covered with cork sheeting for ten feet down from the ceiling, which looks nicer than what they thought it would do acoustically. Good echo though, I want to do some homebrew diffusers in there eventually.
Anyway, I'm at the back wall, set up off stage right. Since somebody will ask, the two top White eq's are monitors, and the two bottom ones are FOH-I also notched out a bit of 125hz in them later on. At least I can walk out front easily. I do wish the stage was deeper, another eight feet would be great.
Post by: Donnie Evans on November 02, 2007, 11:39:25 AM
| Rob Spence wrote on Fri, 02 November 2007 14:53 |
Here is my "A" rig rack |
Hey Rob what are those Powercon's on front of your RacPac feeding?
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 02, 2007, 01:11:35 PM
| John Halliburton wrote on Fri, 02 November 2007 11:02 |
Good echo though, I want to do some homebrew diffusers in there eventually. |
Make sure you build them with fireproofed materials. I know in one of our auditoriums here at work when it got remodeled they added panels to the walls to help with the sound. Unfortunately the fire inspector came in and discovered that the fabric was flammable so they had to be torn down and redone.
Post by: Rob Spence on November 02, 2007, 02:26:35 PM
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 02, 2007, 05:06:20 PM
Includes obligatory FOH rack.
Have fun, good luck... oh, back pic follows...
Tim Mc
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 02, 2007, 05:14:58 PM
The TDM crossovers are for the times when a rack is used "autonomously," like in a big distributed system where we use RF signal distribution, and the XLRFs on the back lead to the TDMs. The CPCs on the front are input and throughs. The TDMs aren't patched in normal use, but patching any TDM will drive the CPCs in an emergency...
The NL4/NL8 combo of connectors is to accomodate some legacy gear in our shop.
Big iron amps for our steam-powered speakers!!
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
Post by: Rick Byers on November 03, 2007, 01:38:58 PM
The QSC rack is my main FOH, 3 way. The Yamaha rack gives me 2 mixes of bi-amped mons and 2 mixes of fullrange.
I can carry each rack easily and pack size is small. Nice!
Post by: Rick Byers on November 03, 2007, 01:40:03 PM
Post by: Travis Watson on November 03, 2007, 02:01:52 PM
10,560 watts stereo seems to work quite well on my QW rig.
Post by: Jamin Lynch on November 03, 2007, 03:12:11 PM
Post by: Phil LaDue on November 03, 2007, 05:18:31 PM
Post by: Nick Hickman on November 05, 2007, 09:21:54 AM
Nick
Post by: Mike McNany on November 05, 2007, 12:11:21 PM
| Phil LaDue wrote on Sat, 03 November 2007 17:18 |
Christmas came early this year! |
What, a new rack? I don't think it was the Peavey M3000
Mike McNany
Post by: Mike McNany on November 05, 2007, 12:14:53 PM
Love the simplicity, lightweight and matching look of your amp racks.
But, using those particular racks, I can't see much room to have a common power connection. Also, do you use any I/O panels or plug in/out direct to each amp?
Mike McNany
Post by: Rick Byers on November 05, 2007, 01:37:39 PM
The PLX rack as more space as the amps are not as deep as the Yamahas.
The PLX rack has XLR in 2 x NL8 out and a powercon.
The Yamaha rack has 4x Speakon out and Powercon in. I am in the process of wiring up the XLR ins as well!! Bit of a tighter fit, but still managable.
Rick
Post by: Sean Hayes on November 05, 2007, 02:20:43 PM
Got any pics of the rear of your racks? They look great!
Post by: Rick Byers on November 05, 2007, 05:20:00 PM
| Sean Hayes wrote on Mon, 05 November 2007 19:20 |
Rick, Got any pics of the rear of your racks? They look great! |
I'll try and get some up tomrrow. Small is beautiful though!!
Post by: john turner on November 05, 2007, 07:15:34 PM
I run a fully active system
Post by: Scott Deeter on November 05, 2007, 08:44:43 PM
| john turner wrote on Mon, 05 November 2007 19:15 |
I run a fully active system |
OMG...
, that's a good one.Post by: Phil LaDue on November 05, 2007, 09:00:45 PM
| Mike McNany wrote on Mon, 05 November 2007 12:11 | ||
What, a new rack? I don't think it was the Peavey M3000 Mike McNany |
The DriveRack PA and the eq's.
Post by: Rick Byers on November 06, 2007, 04:40:58 PM
| Sean Hayes wrote on Mon, 05 November 2007 19:20 |
Rick, Got any pics of the rear of your racks? They look great! |
Sean, here you go (needs redoing as it's a bit untidy)............
Post by: SteveKirby on November 06, 2007, 05:15:17 PM
Seems like a mix here, slightly in favor of direct connections.
Post by: Terry Martin on November 07, 2007, 01:12:30 AM
My, that's an ugly mess of cords to the left, huh? I should have cropped that out!
Terry
Post by: Jon Smith on November 07, 2007, 02:43:46 AM
Jon
Post by: Mike Christy on November 07, 2007, 07:31:52 AM
| Terry Martin wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 00:12 |
Here's my "run from stage" racks. For sound jobs, I just use a GL2200 instead of the Mixwiz. My, that's an ugly mess of cords to the left, huh? I should have cropped that out! Terry |
My fav part of that photo is not the gear, but the "NO DRINKS!" sign.
Post by: Donnie Evans on November 07, 2007, 08:14:31 AM
Post by: Ned Cullen on November 07, 2007, 09:21:49 AM
What are the plugs you are using on the QSC rack - the ones with the flat round plug end on the power strip.
Post by: Peter Etheredge on November 07, 2007, 09:33:04 AM
| Ned Cullen wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 08:21 |
Rick, What are the plugs you are using on the QSC rack - the ones with the flat round plug end on the power strip. |
Those are UK plugs (seeing as he is in the UK). My Soundcraft board came with some along with the standard US plugs.
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 07, 2007, 11:30:40 AM
| Donnie Evans wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 08:14 |
How long can this really go on.......again. |
Hell, just make it a sticky, it'll stay in one thread that way!
And it'll probably go to 1000 pages!
You can't really blame people for posting their rigs.
It's not like we're ashamed of having lots of power!
[tim-the-tool-man-noises-on] oooh oooh oooooh ooooooo![/noises off]
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 07, 2007, 12:39:38 PM
| Jon Smith wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 02:43 |
E. Lee Dickinson & Tom Manchester, I am with you both about the XS Series. Here are mine. Lee, I have included a close up of what I did on the rear rack with the brackets. Jon |
I'm glad some people know "what's up" when it comes to amps
FED EX attempted to deliver my 6th and 7th XS series amps going in the new monitor mix rack last night but nobody was AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THE DOOR. We'll try again tonight and I'll get some pics up OF MY NEW AMP RACK.
Post by: Lester Moran on November 07, 2007, 12:57:43 PM
| Tom Manchester wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 17:39 |
...but my mom was in the shower. We'll try again tonight and I'll get some pics up. |
Uh...
.Les
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 07, 2007, 01:14:31 PM
Post by: Scott Smith on November 07, 2007, 01:35:33 PM
Post by: Lester Moran on November 07, 2007, 01:54:03 PM
Les
Post by: Scott Smith on November 07, 2007, 02:16:35 PM
Post by: Scott Deeter on November 07, 2007, 03:06:20 PM
| Lester Moran wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 13:54 |
Or just change the name of the thread to "LETS SEE THOSE RACKS!" Les |
Close, I'm sure you'll have some fun in this thread at times
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/23910/15533 3/945/#msg_155336
Post by: Scott Smith on November 07, 2007, 03:13:10 PM
Post by: Alex Connell on November 07, 2007, 03:40:25 PM
Post by: Terry Martin on November 07, 2007, 05:55:13 PM
Terry
| Mike Christy wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 07:31 | ||
My fav part of that photo is not the gear, but the "NO DRINKS!" sign. |
Post by: Tom Manchester on November 07, 2007, 11:13:44 PM
EDIT: This is my new 4 mix monitor rig setup.
Post by: Micky Basiliere on November 07, 2007, 11:34:18 PM
Post by: Jess Bruffett on November 08, 2007, 12:02:22 AM
its basic but it works...
Post by: Jess Bruffett on November 08, 2007, 12:02:57 AM
and there is the back...
Post by: Josh Oswald on November 08, 2007, 08:47:17 AM
Let me guess from top to bottom...
Subs
Subs
Tops
Mons
Simple is good.
Josh
Post by: Jess Bruffett on November 08, 2007, 04:00:43 PM
Post by: SteveKirby on November 11, 2007, 11:25:44 PM
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on November 12, 2007, 02:44:45 AM
Post by: Mike McNany on November 12, 2007, 01:42:52 PM
What's with dragging 3 cases around when your top two would fit in one? If the Stewart needs air space you could always throw out the MEQ230
Mike McNany
Post by: Mike McNany on November 12, 2007, 01:44:16 PM
| Matt Vivlamore wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 02:44 |
I finally have a pic of my new amps and rack.. |
Not letting that Mackie amp in the "club", eh?
Mike McNany
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on November 12, 2007, 03:31:53 PM
| Mike McNany wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 13:44 | ||
Not letting that Mackie amp in the "club", eh? Mike McNany |
nah the mackie is a temp amp that I am borrowing from my club its better suited for the Behringer monitors.
My PLs are for the Unity's.
Post by: SteveKirby on November 12, 2007, 05:08:13 PM
Some scrounging in the silicon valley junk dealers turned up the 20A strip I have now.
I keep thinking of a RackPac but very few of the places we play at have 2 pole power available (without resorting to the much despised cheaters). And the hotels seem to have their own oddball setups so we either have to run off of several edisons or pay them to bring in their distro (which is usually some homemade kludge from their house electrician).
Post by: bo putnam on November 12, 2007, 05:30:55 PM
Here's the recent iteration of my amp rack.
Top to bottom:
- Ashly Protea 4.24 GS (Aux 1 to 4)
- QSC CX502 (Aux 1, 2)
- QSC CX702 (Aux 3, 4)
- QSC CX502 (HF)
- QSC CX702 (MF)
- QSC CX1102 (LF)
- MotionLabs 1100-2-FF-D8
DSP is at front of house; I use 12 sends for this config, but like having the DSP where I can use the PEQs, real-time.
And yes, the case is White
. I got tired of dealing with black body radiation during the summer festival season...Post by: Matt Vivlamore on November 12, 2007, 05:39:13 PM
| SteveKirby wrote on Mon, 12 November 2007 17:08 |
I notice quite a few small racks with 3 or 4 decent sized amps running off of 15A powerstrips. How often do folks trip the breakers on these? When I was running 4 ~1500W linear supply amps I tripped the strips breaker a couple of times and ended up running the two bridged sub amps separately into one of those octopus fan out things. Some scrounging in the silicon valley junk dealers turned up the 20A strip I have now. I keep thinking of a RackPac but very few of the places we play at have 2 pole power available (without resorting to the much despised cheaters). And the hotels seem to have their own oddball setups so we either have to run off of several edisons or pay them to bring in their distro (which is usually some homemade kludge from their house electrician). |
My power conditioner in the rack has been gutted. There is no longer breaker and spike protector. The broke. But I am running the two PL236 (1 bridge and the other stereo 4 ohm), Mackie 1400i single channel, and two NX55p.
Post by: SteveKirby on November 12, 2007, 11:39:53 PM
Post by: Mike McNany on November 13, 2007, 08:56:04 AM
What's with the TRS vice XLR for all input? Don't you have any probs with the shared sleeve ground?
Steve, since I'm asking other questions, what's the speaker wire gauge you have braided together?
Mike McNany
Post by: SteveKirby on November 13, 2007, 12:19:29 PM
Post by: bo putnam on November 13, 2007, 04:56:35 PM
| Mike McNany wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 05:56 |
Bo, actually, I love the white cases. Interesting design with the butterfly latched inset covers, covering shock foam, I think? |
Yup. RockHard introduced this design option a couple-years ago. I have a couple this way - much less bulky in the trailer.
| Mike McNany wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 05:56 |
What's with the TRS vice XLR for all input? Don't you have any probs with the shared sleeve ground? |
If I understand your question - that is the output panel. It's a 6-yr old thing I've just never updated, even though the monitors are now Speakon...
The inputs are all XLR at the fan end of the amp rack snake (out of view) which connect to the snake stage box.
Post by: Brad Kivela on November 13, 2007, 08:14:19 PM
Post by: Brad Kivela on November 13, 2007, 08:15:15 PM
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 14, 2007, 01:46:05 AM
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 14, 2007, 01:50:31 AM
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 14, 2007, 01:51:18 AM
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on November 14, 2007, 03:50:04 AM
| Mark Hobbs wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 01:46 |
|
hmmm to heavey to put into 1 rack...
218 lbs in 3 amps...
Time for some PL series...
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 14, 2007, 01:16:32 PM
| Matt Vivlamore wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 02:50 |
hmmm to heavey to put into 1 rack... 218 lbs in 3 amps... Time for some PL series... |
Eh, I really like these big RMXs because they outperform the PLs by a landslide and the way I have them set up, moving them around is fairly easy. By using this wheeled table the RMXs are at hip level at all times. They go from the van to the table when I show up to the gig, they stay on the table at the gig, then back to the van after the gig and back to the table when I get back to the house and stay there untill the next gig in which case they go back to the van. They just get tranfered from the table to the van, which is easy. Picking them up off of the ground is a different story because that involves bending over.
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 14, 2007, 01:39:58 PM
| Mark Hobbs wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 13:16 | ||
Eh, I really like these big RMXs because they outperform the PLs by a landslide |
PL6.0II vs. RMX5050.
No comparison, PL6.0 kills.
Whats with the lack of rack screws?
Evan
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 14, 2007, 03:05:09 PM
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 12:39 |
PL6.0II vs. RMX5050. No comparison, PL6.0 kills. Whats with the lack of rack screws? |
Who needs rack screws?? Thats another advantage of the big RMXs is that they are so heavy that I don't need to worry about them moving around in their case or falling out of their case hence no need to screw them down.
HA HA HA.....no I just took the pic before I screwed them into place. This is all new gear, I have yet to even hook it all up to anything.
When he said PLs I assumed he meant PLs that are currently in production. But, since all I am doing is 8 ohm stereo with all my amps the 6.0 does not offer me much....4 ohm mono, then thats a different story. My preferance is for the conventional power supply and thats another reason I opted for the RMX.
Post by: Mike McNany on November 14, 2007, 03:48:39 PM
| Brad Kivela wrote on Tue, 13 November 2007 20:15 |
Ya know, it MIGHT just be time to get matching looks, height and type amp cabinets. Just thinkin' PRO looks & all
Mike McNany
Post by: Mike McNany on November 14, 2007, 03:51:02 PM
| Mark Hobbs wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 01:46 |
|
Mark,
You mention the amp racks will stay on the cart at the gig in a later post. I hope the FX racks and mixer don't because mixing from the floor isn't all it's cracked up to be
Mike McNany
Post by: SteveKirby on November 14, 2007, 04:47:56 PM
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 14, 2007, 05:22:18 PM
| Mike McNany wrote on Wed, 14 November 2007 14:51 |
Mark, You mention the amp racks will stay on the cart at the gig in a later post. I hope the FX racks and mixer don't because mixing from the floor isn't all it's cracked up to be Mike McNany |
Well, I guess I will find out. All I mix for is myself so it's not like different people/instruments (other than my own) are going through the rig, so I am hoping that the settings arn't going to change much from day to day. Rooms will change and I am sure that may make a difference, and I am *hoping* that I can make up for that with sound checking with a CD and do some minor tweeking at that point. Either way, I will figure something out and I am sure that with enough time a exerience in different rooms I will get a feel for what I need to do and thus know what to do with just a glance of the room based on past experience in similar rooms.
Post by: Brad Kivela on November 15, 2007, 02:46:50 AM
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 15, 2007, 05:01:32 AM
| Brad Kivela wrote on Thu, 15 November 2007 01:46 |
| |
Would you care to elaborate??
Post by: Phill Chapman (Chappie) on November 15, 2007, 09:08:05 AM
Post by: Phill Chapman (Chappie) on November 15, 2007, 09:08:32 AM
Post by: Nate Morefield on November 15, 2007, 07:03:59 PM
Post by: Scott Deeter on November 15, 2007, 08:02:18 PM
| Nate Morefield wrote on Thu, 15 November 2007 19:03 |
For 99% of the clubs locally that don't have their own system(at least the ones my band plays), this is complete overkill. But it's been perfect for some outdoor gigs and even enough to start doing some sound work for a few other local bands. |
Nate, is that the patch panel you made from the discussion in your other post? Turned out very nice if it is.
Post by: Nate Morefield on November 15, 2007, 08:16:04 PM
I'm pretty pleased with it all in all, though I'm still not 100% happy with the crimp connectors that are on the back of the speakon jacks.
The only problem with it cosmetically is one extra hole. I had all the holes mapped out and somehow just put an extra one in there (above the left most 1/4"). Maybe I'll just tell people it's a weight saving measure.
Thanks again!
Post by: SteveKirby on November 15, 2007, 08:26:33 PM
Post by: Vincent Molino on November 15, 2007, 08:39:55 PM
new rack...almost done..lol....
now....
of course i do DJ shows so my mixer is here....rane empath...
last 2 photos by....Justin..Natural Slate Designs
Post by: Eric Hassler on November 18, 2007, 09:48:41 PM
Here's my FOH rack. Stacked on top of the rack is the monitor console (Spirit Live) and it's power supply.
Post by: Eric Hassler on November 18, 2007, 09:49:44 PM
Post by: Mike_Monte on November 18, 2007, 11:58:57 PM
Post by: Phil LaDue on November 19, 2007, 12:01:18 AM
| Mike Monte wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 23:58 |
I'll add my rack when we enter the "weekend warrier bottom feeder" catagory...MM |
You could have put in right after my infamous Peavey boat anchor.
Post by: Donnie Evans on November 19, 2007, 11:06:37 AM
| Eric Hassler wrote on Mon, 19 November 2007 02:48 |
Please excuse my finger. I hadn't used this camera in quite some time so my grasp was a little off. Here's my FOH rack. Stacked on top of the rack is the monitor console (Spirit Live) and it's power supply. |
I have a question... and I'm sure you have a simple answer... but your input att's on the PLX 3602's... one is wide open and one is all the way down on both amps. Why is that? I guess you're running them both bridged and only use one knob?
Post by: Josh Oswald on November 19, 2007, 11:08:43 AM
Josh
Post by: Eric Hassler on November 19, 2007, 11:10:18 AM
| Donnie Evans wrote on Mon, 19 November 2007 10:06 | ||
I have a question... and I'm sure you have a simple answer... but your input att's on the PLX 3602's... one is wide open and one is all the way down on both amps. Why is that? I guess you're running them both bridged and only use one knob? |
That is correct. When using these amps in bridge mono only the channel 1 att is used.
Post by: Scott Deeter on November 19, 2007, 11:17:00 AM
| Mike Monte wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 23:58 |
I'll add my rack when we enter the "weekend warrier bottom feeder" catagory...MM |
LAB Lounge
"LAB Lite" - a place for weekend warriors, small sound company operators, bands running their own PA and newbies.
Mike,
Go ahead, add a pic of your amp rack(s), this thread is indeed in the Lounge.
Post by: Pete Sams on November 19, 2007, 09:25:19 PM
Amp racks for me change a bit from gig to gig. I've got 4 Yamaha P7000's that cover FOH duty (subs/tops) and some P5000s and QSC's that do monitors. Racks have been reconfigured when a special situation comes up or multiple systems are out and I need something a certain way. Lately I've come down to using 1 or 2 P7000s on a pair of dual 18's and dual 15+2" tops (rane crossovers sit in amp racks or yamaha's have a swept HPF/LPF built in if in a pinch).
Post by: Pete Sams on November 19, 2007, 09:37:22 PM
I have 2 of these amp racks which go out more often than the 2 cases with P series amps. I like using these racks. The QSC RMX in this pic has been replaced by another CX502, behringer EQ's are being phased out in favor of DBX 231s.
Post by: Pete Sams on November 19, 2007, 09:38:20 PM
Post by: Bradley Hecht on November 19, 2007, 11:48:47 PM
Post by: Phil LaDue on November 19, 2007, 11:50:25 PM
Mine on the other hand is useless.
Post by: Bradley Hecht on November 19, 2007, 11:53:50 PM
Post by: Dale Black on November 20, 2007, 12:06:16 PM
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 21, 2007, 11:52:07 AM
PLX2402 bridged to a pair of Growlers
PLX1804 stereo to SRX722's
Monitors are powered.
Before you laugh too hard, realize that my entire rig runs off 1 Edison!
Post by: Gustav Hedelund on November 21, 2007, 05:30:15 PM
Four 2181 subs and four 1152 tops.
Lab.Gruppen 4000 x3 (fp6400), and 1x Lab 2000.
Soon replaced by 5x EV cp4000 or maybe Dynacord H5000.
/Gustav
Post by: Micky Basiliere on November 21, 2007, 05:42:13 PM
Here is my creation! Thanks for the ideas...Micky
Post by: Lester Moran on November 21, 2007, 08:53:49 PM
| Micky Basiliere wrote on Wed, 21 November 2007 22:42 |
After almost 30,000 views,and 200 Posts....I'm glad i started this thread it has been fun! Here is my creation! Thanks for the ideas...Micky |
Nice job Micky!
I think the photos are great. This is, after all, a predominantly visual format.
I think it was Steve Martin who first said "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture"...
Les
Post by: Scott Deeter on November 22, 2007, 01:20:41 AM
With all my posts and discussions on mixers from the Mack VLZ3, MixWiz3 and even the ProRack, sorry I ended up replacing my 12 yr old Mack 1604VLZ with the PV 16FX (for $779.00 including tax NEW).
With this board I dropped 2 spcs for effects (and the wall-warts), 2 spcs for a dual 31 band Eq, 4 spcs for the dual deck CD player (which I only used 1 tray). My break music is now on a memory stick connected to a USB slot linked to the last channel of the board which is a stereo channel. The effects (verb & delay) are onboard as is the dual 27 band GEQ.
I'll be adding a Samson S-phone HP amp in the rack in a week or so to replace the PreSonus HP4 that's on my drum rack. Then almost "everything" will be totally patched all the time.
So far from what I hear in my UM2's, I'm very happy with the 16FX and I do hear an upgrade in sound quality. If this is any tell tale sign, then I'm pretty sure it will be good enough for me out front through the mains
The Samson S-Com is racked for a future ambient mic trial (when I get around to it).
The Before & After pics.
Post by: Mike McNany on November 22, 2007, 11:09:37 AM
It seems the Peavey FX mixers are a nice halfway between the analog and digital mixers, feature-wise.
Personally, I would group the processors tight with the rack lights for the lights to be more functional. Then either put those all up top to leave room for cable storage on the amps, or bump the rackrider and processors down some to make it easier to plug in the mixer or other stuff into the rackrider. All those spacers are BEGGING for some band or sound company logos!
You might want to consider rear rack rails or some form of support, even wood blocks, under the power amps. Everything in one large rack, even a gear lightened one, means the likelyhood of accidental rough handling increases. You could even run bolts from the rack sides to the amp rear ears.
Last, with all those spacers, I'd also consider a front mounted I/O panel or two. If you add on a Powercon, you could leave the back on all the time without wires sticking out all over.
Mike McNany
Post by: Scott Deeter on November 22, 2007, 11:53:17 AM
| Mike McNany wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 11:09 |
Personally, I would group the processors tight with the rack lights for the lights to be more functional. Then either put those all up top to leave room for cable storage on the amps, or bump the rackrider and processors down some to make it easier to plug in the mixer or other stuff into the rackrider. All those spacers are BEGGING for some band or sound company logos! |
Well I left 1 space between the rack rider and processor for the ac plugs going into it, this way if the ac plugs hang a little bit they're not in the way for the in & outputs of the processor.
Like I said, I'm going to be adding a headphone amp between the S-Com & xover. I felt the space between the amps & xover could help with any heat generated from the amps. As far as Logos, I'm the drummer and mix from stage, so the audience don't see that part of the rack normally.
| Mike McNany wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 11:09 |
You might want to consider rear rack rails or some form of support, even wood blocks, under the power amps. Everything in one large rack, even a gear lightened one, means the likelyhood of accidental rough handling increases. You could even run bolts from the rack sides to the amp rear ears. |
At one time I did have brackets made to support the rears of the amps, just have to get them back in.
| Mike McNany wrote on Thu, 22 November 2007 11:09 |
Last, with all those spacers, I'd also consider a front mounted I/O panel or two. If you add on a Powercon, you could leave the back on all the time without wires sticking out all over. |
When in use, I do leave the back on as in the pic. I just showed the back off to show the wireing hook ups. As for a Powercon, again I mix from stage being the drummer so I want the ac going out the back. I have the back notched out on the bottom Left corner for the rack rider & amp ac lines to come out of. The other side is notched for a little extension cord coming out to connect to my drum rack which is plugged into the rack rider so it's protected to some sort.
I only have 3 ac lines all together 1 for each amp and 1 for the rack rider, I was considering adding a quad box internally with a side mounted Powercon connected, but if the need to ever have to split the amps ac lines for some reason I can still do it.
Our show can run off of (1) 20 amp circuit including our little light show & mains. We're totally direct with IEM's and E-drums.
Post by: Jim Duyck on November 23, 2007, 12:49:52 PM
| Josh Oswald wrote on Mon, 19 November 2007 10:08 |
That'd be my guess as well. I think that is standard operating procedure on bridged amps. Josh |
fwiw, that's how it works on QSC amps, but not every manufacturer...
Post by: Shane Presley on November 23, 2007, 02:20:26 PM
Post by: Paul Tollini on November 24, 2007, 06:35:57 AM
Here are my compact racks. I can run both from a single 20a edison. Subs are powered. Would be nice to have something lighter than the RMX's though.
Post by: Phil LaDue on November 24, 2007, 12:32:17 PM
Post by: Ben Harris on November 24, 2007, 12:51:20 PM
Thanks!
ben
Post by: Ben Harris on November 24, 2007, 12:51:39 PM
Thanks!
ben
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on November 24, 2007, 01:09:41 PM
Evan
Post by: Mike McNany on November 24, 2007, 01:21:17 PM
Your racks have to be the most professional units I've seen for the level of gear in them. I'm not putting down what's in them but I do see a Berhinger comp (which I use too
) and a MEQ230 But EWI shock racks, with nice graphics on them, nice I/O panels, and even rear rack ears on the power amps, THOSE scream PROfessional
Bizarrely, I just like looking at 'em.Mike McNany
Post by: Mike McNany on November 24, 2007, 01:24:25 PM
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sat, 24 November 2007 13:09 |
I think this thread gets the award for Longest Thread of the Year and quite possibly, Longest Thread in LAB History. Evan |
Ya know Evan,
These pics are the equivalent of lookin' under the hood at a car meet
Ooo...Ahhhh.Mike McNany
Post by: Jess Bruffett on November 24, 2007, 01:34:22 PM
and thats why im always happy to seen new replies to this thread
Post by: Too Tall (Curtis H. List) on November 24, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
| Mike Monte wrote on Sun, 18 November 2007 23:58 |
I'll add my rack when we enter the "weekend warrier bottom feeder" catagory...MM |
Hey Man,
Anybody can make it work with rack after rack of the best gear.
The real trick is to do it with a bunch of cheap crap.
Hold Your head up high.
Post by: Paul Tollini on November 24, 2007, 04:29:10 PM
| Phil LaDue wrote on Sat, 24 November 2007 12:32 |
Hey Paul, who did the graphics? |
I did. They are vinyl cut out on a plotter. They don't hold up as well as paint, but are easier to change and I have a plotter to cut them out. Sometimes I use the vinyl as a stencil for paint, but it holds up pretty well as a decal.
Post by: Paul Tollini on November 24, 2007, 04:42:56 PM
| Mike McNany wrote on Sat, 24 November 2007 13:21 |
Paul, Your racks have to be the most professional units I've seen for the level of gear in them. I'm not putting down what's in them but I do see a Berhinger comp (which I use too ) and a MEQ230 But EWI shock racks, with nice graphics on them, nice I/O panels, and even rear rack ears on the power amps, THOSE scream PROfessional Bizarrely, I just like looking at 'em.Mike McNany |
Thanks for the kind words. I keep meaning to do the graphics on the patch panels.
What can I say about the bottom feeder stuff. The MEQ230 works for now, but its retirement is planned. I am only using the Behringer as a limiter.
Post by: John William on November 25, 2007, 09:37:26 AM
Post by: Peter Møller on November 25, 2007, 05:39:20 PM
Have got 2 of these racks.. Driverack PAs have been replaced with Void Digidrives after this picture was taken..
/peter
Post by: John Moore on November 26, 2007, 12:10:08 AM
Post by: Andrew Loftus on November 26, 2007, 12:24:59 AM
Post by: Micky Basiliere on November 26, 2007, 12:26:22 AM
Post by: Micky Basiliere on November 26, 2007, 12:32:39 AM
Post by: Mark Hobbs on November 26, 2007, 01:27:26 AM
Post by: Joe Haycocks on November 26, 2007, 06:19:56 AM
Post by: Mike Kirkpatrick on November 26, 2007, 07:19:55 AM
Running those wires through the punch outs in that back panel is a recipe for disaster. Pick up some rubber grommets for those holes then you'll be safe.
Take care,
Mike
Post by: Joe Haycocks on November 26, 2007, 08:23:11 AM
Good idea! Thanks! Currently theyre attached to the underside of the panel, so they arent being pushed against the sharp edges, and wrapped in several layers of gaff, but I was a bit worried about that, and hadn't though of using grommets!
Thanks.
Joe
Post by: Chris Blust on November 26, 2007, 02:24:17 PM
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Post by: Andrew Loftus on November 26, 2007, 03:57:36 PM
with demo gear?!?! nope. we made sure it was solid. the shims on the right (top of the rack/under the board) go front to back.
Post by: Dan Mills on November 27, 2007, 08:05:22 AM
It looks like a unit sold by an outfit branded "Work" that is one of a broad range of such things sold under numerous different brands in the EU. I suspect that the Showtec stuff is actually from the same far eastern factory. Interesting to see a fairly small rack like that being fed with three phase (400V phase - phase) power. Regards, Dan. Post by: Jameson Perham on November 27, 2007, 08:27:33 PM Post by: Victor Kouli on November 28, 2007, 06:04:36 PM Where did you get those nice white rear mounts for your amps? Are they adjustable? Post by: Paul Tollini on November 28, 2007, 07:26:57 PM
I made them, as well as the patch panels. They are just a simple angle piece. I used a brake, but you could easily bend them up yourself in a vise. They are not adjustable, as I just drilled the holes I needed. The material is .063 aluminum. It is prefinished white because it was all scrap from another project. Post by: Jamin Lynch on November 28, 2007, 09:33:00 PM Post by: Tom faderjockey Brandis on November 29, 2007, 09:20:12 AM 4 GPS3500's sub duty 2 CS4080's 1 for 12's in array, 1 for 15's in QW3's 1 GPS2600 mid's and highs in QW3's 1 GPS1500 for ribbons in array 3 CS4080's for monitor duty 2 VSX26 controllers 2 100 amp distro's Tom in Baltimore Post by: SteveKirby on November 29, 2007, 05:40:28 PM Post by: Jameson Perham on November 30, 2007, 12:26:00 AM
If your talking about our rig, yeah were running 3 VRXs a side at the moment and 2 SRX718s a side, 4 total. Post by: Tom faderjockey Brandis on November 30, 2007, 11:45:09 AM Tom in Baltimore Post by: SteveKirby on November 30, 2007, 02:02:30 PM At one club I used to play at, the Boneshakers came though with their soundguy. After the show, I ran behind the FOH and jotted down all the settings. By the time I played there again they were all over the place, but I had a real good idea where to start. But anytime I see 70% of the bands bottomed out, it scares me. Kind of like what happens when you let a FBX box take over. Post by: Eric Hassler on November 30, 2007, 02:35:46 PM Post by: Bob Leonard on November 30, 2007, 04:00:24 PM Post by: Bob Leonard on November 30, 2007, 04:01:53 PM Post by: Alfred_Mapanao on December 02, 2007, 01:48:32 AM
True...That's why my amps are glad they live in San Diego.
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on December 02, 2007, 05:49:10 AM I can't seem to find a home page for the FFA amps. Anyone? Douglas R. Allen Post by: Shaun Crawford on December 02, 2007, 09:42:03 AM http://www.noisecontrolaudio.com looks to be your site you want. though, it looks like those specific amps were discontinued? http://www.noisecontrolaudio.com/products_ffa5000.html this would be a page i found on google for ffa but is no longer links from any page i could find on NCA's web site. Post by: Douglas R. Allen on December 02, 2007, 11:35:13 AM http://www.noisecontrolaudio.com/products_ff8.htm It looks like the above link is their current line. Thanks again. Douglas R. Allen Post by: Mac Kerr on December 02, 2007, 12:34:58 PM Post by: Victor Kouli on December 02, 2007, 01:09:21 PM If there are any reason/logic for RacPacs and Speaker Panel being above the Amps? I now, it has been already questioned numerous times, but would it be less strain on Power & Speaker interconnects at the bottom of the rack? And again, it seems to be just another 2' of wasted cable length. Just curious...
Post by: Mac Kerr on December 02, 2007, 01:18:59 PM
It also keeps the amps, which despite their low weight are still the heaviest thing in the rack, low to keep the center of gravity low. These racks are a redesigned version of larger racks that used to have 4 MA5000VZs in them, and keeping the amps low was real important. Is your cable so tight that 2' makes a difference? Cable lengths are what they are, they don't get custom cut for each show.Mac Post by: Victor Kouli on December 02, 2007, 02:06:14 PM No, my cables are long enough and I do not cut them for every show. I'm in a process of redesigning my rack and at the end it should look similar to yours (though BSS instead of XTA), so I just was getting all the ideas. What's at the back of your racks, you don't have a picture of the back, don't you? Do you keep the back just open, or there is a vented back panel and/or any auxiliary exhaust fans? Post by: Mac Kerr on December 02, 2007, 04:58:23 PM Mac Post by: Joe Haycocks on December 02, 2007, 07:36:59 PM There isnt currently an FFA website. The amps are their current line. I can send u a current spec. sheet, or contact details for Dave Millard, the designer if you want, drop me a PM Joe. Post by: Thomas Harkin on December 02, 2007, 09:19:09 PM
Flat view? Post by: Adam Robinson on December 02, 2007, 10:10:31 PM Post by: Joe Haycocks on December 03, 2007, 04:46:22 AM
Thomas, Not sure what you mean by that! Joe Post by: Mac Kerr on December 03, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
Mac Post by: Micky Basiliere on December 09, 2007, 07:37:31 PM Thought some of you would like to see the Distro i just finished building for my Rig... Micky (front is in next Post!) Post by: Micky Basiliere on December 09, 2007, 07:39:50 PM Post by: Mikey Brown on December 09, 2007, 07:51:07 PM Post by: Mikey Brown on December 09, 2007, 07:54:19 PM Post by: Michael Ioia on December 09, 2007, 08:07:20 PM Post by: Matt Johnson on December 14, 2007, 11:53:50 PM Post by: Matt Johnson on December 14, 2007, 11:54:56 PM Post by: Lester Moran on December 15, 2007, 05:33:28 AM I posted my monitor racks earlier... But they sound better in this picture: Les Post by: Shane Presley on December 15, 2007, 08:35:40 AM Post by: Geri O'Neil on December 15, 2007, 01:24:07 PM Geri O Post by: Kemper Watson on December 15, 2007, 01:27:04 PM
I've got eight more to add but my camera's broken 
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on December 15, 2007, 01:48:21 PM JR Post by: James Henriksen on December 15, 2007, 02:00:53 PM  Monitors:  Been wanting to show those off to you guys.
Post by: Kemper Watson on December 15, 2007, 02:15:55 PM
Actually the Gold Face 800 is in a rack I use for acoustic acts, not running with the big dogs
Post by: Mikey Brown on December 16, 2007, 10:49:00 PM are dealers choice, 200's, 400's or 500's via Protea. Hopefully some Micro 12's are in the future. Post by: Jamie Taylor on December 17, 2007, 04:32:56 AM
I'm waiting for Rex Ray to come in here and just lay waste to this thread with pics of Clair's... Post by: Chuck Fudge on December 17, 2007, 04:15:54 PM Post by: Alex Connell on December 17, 2007, 04:24:58 PM I've noticed a number of racks with power conditioners or rack power strips. Are you only using one strip/circuit worth of electricity in this situation? Post by: Tom Manchester on December 17, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
I have L5-20 inlets mounted to rack panels on all of my amp racks. From the L5-20 it goes to a duplex or quad box with regular edison outlets in it. Then the amps plug into the edisons. My large amp rack has seperate L5-20's for subs, and one for Mains / Monitors. The amp racks all get fed off of my distro which I place near the amp racks. Post by: Eric Hassler on December 17, 2007, 04:47:38 PM
For my setup (on page 10, here's the pic again)... The distro is one foot away from the amps. Each 3602 gets its own 20A circuit. The two 1602s are on another 20A circuit. The Furman is for the cross over, small work light, monitor console, etc. Post by: Alex Connell on December 17, 2007, 05:16:42 PM Post by: chris.hall on December 18, 2007, 12:44:10 AM Post by: Pascal Pincosy on December 18, 2007, 02:49:52 AM
Post by: Lester Moran on December 18, 2007, 04:16:41 AM
Very cool. Who's "we"? Les Post by: Jamie Taylor on December 18, 2007, 07:58:15 AM Post by: Mark Walter on December 18, 2007, 08:49:46 AM
I have my RMX2450s and P7000s together in my amp rack and have never had a cooling problem. Have you? Post by: Mark Walter on December 18, 2007, 08:51:22 AM
NOT FAIR! ! ! !
Post by: Peter Etheredge on December 18, 2007, 09:10:42 AM
You suck!
Post by: Shane Presley on December 18, 2007, 10:17:23 AM LY SH!* somebody has too much money... lol
Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on December 18, 2007, 11:41:37 AM You win. Thread over. Post by: Evan Kirkendall on December 18, 2007, 12:43:21 PM
Where in Maryland are these racks sitting, and when are they left unattended in the warehouse? Evan Post by: Jeff Plumblee on December 18, 2007, 10:09:00 PM Post by: Adam Robinson on December 18, 2007, 10:15:34 PM Post by: Mac Kerr on December 18, 2007, 10:20:15 PM
Mac Post by: Evan Kirkendall on December 18, 2007, 10:24:01 PM
Yer links are the same. Come on Mr. Moderator, you should be on top of your game. Evan Post by: Sean Hayes on December 18, 2007, 10:26:59 PM Post by: Phil LaDue on December 18, 2007, 10:33:16 PM They are very high end solutions. Post by: Todd Rasmussen on December 19, 2007, 12:05:35 AM
I need some new amps for my home theater... those look about right. Post by: Steve Hurt on December 19, 2007, 12:20:02 AM
Just looked around on that site. Wow!! They need 45 amps EACH on the input!! Those aren't amp's they're arc welders! (and don't try cutting off the A/C plug and replacing it with a 15 amp-er on those baby's!!!!) Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on December 19, 2007, 12:20:45 AM
Simple: "they cost significantly more than most other amps." US$ 4K to 8 or 9K per - or thereabouts. (I couldn't find then at Musician's Fiend  )# # Ask Mr. Prescott. He tried them before he finally realized "I don't need no stinkin' amps." http://campuspa.com/images/k10/index.html Post by: Jamie Taylor on December 19, 2007, 12:24:37 AM They were great...but from memory quite heavy....and obviously quite expensive. Post by: Todd Rasmussen on December 19, 2007, 12:25:09 AM Bottom three in each rack look like K10s and the top two are K6s? Close? Post by: Pascal Pincosy on December 19, 2007, 12:34:14 AM
They're not really all that expensive. I'd expect you could find a K6 for not too much more than $3,000. IMO the prices are pretty competitive with what Camco and Lab Gruppen are charging these days. If you're running a 2 Ohm load per channel, they make good sense. And Jamie, they're only 26 lbs. I suggest you spend some time in the gym if you think that's heavy. Either that or come help me push my Crest Pro-Tour rack around for a couple of weeks.
Post by: Steve Hurt on December 19, 2007, 12:50:32 AM Post by: Tony "T" Tissot on December 19, 2007, 12:52:45 AM
Redacted - nevermind Post by: Phil LaDue on December 19, 2007, 12:54:26 AM
Post by: Jason Dermer on December 19, 2007, 02:01:34 AM FWIW, about two weeks ago I swapped a Dolby Lake into the spot formerly occupied by a DR480 and 3231LTs, and I will NEVER go back. Post by: Jamie Taylor on December 19, 2007, 02:18:45 AM
I couldn't honestly remember if they were heavy or not...but yeah, I totally need to hit the gym again....but when I go away I lose all the muscle mass and it turns into flab, and that's not fun for anyone. Post by: Donnie Evans on December 19, 2007, 08:54:28 AM
I think this post has now made it mandatory that this thread be moved to the Lab. Post by: Stuart Pendleton on December 19, 2007, 10:16:04 AM Post by: Jeff Plumblee on December 19, 2007, 10:16:31 AM No, make that several. Post by: James Henriksen on December 19, 2007, 12:03:23 PM Assuming those are 3 K10's and 2 K6's per rack. Probability says they're not running all of them in bridged mono, but hey, that's the theoretical total output. Even at 4 Ohms per channel, that would be a possible 136,000 watts. Post by: Mac Kerr on December 19, 2007, 02:30:47 PM Mac |