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Title: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on June 01, 2021, 02:26:59 PM
Let talk about some good budget POWERED speakers, ones that can double as a main and then drop on the floor for a wedgeÖ what are your recommendations for a ĎBelow $500 speaker?Ē  What about in the $500-1000 speaker?  (based on Retail pricing)

Since this is in the Lounge, we arenít talking about meeting artist specific rider requirements, but the local bar band/festival would like to have # of monitors on stage.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Steven Eudaly on June 01, 2021, 03:09:01 PM
We've picked up several dB Technologies Opera 10s for dry rental stock and various utility speaker roles, small talking head events, etc. Small, loud, clean sounding (for a plastic box), good looking, simple back panel controls and under 30lbs. With a street price of $399 it's pretty hard to beat, in my opinion.

The only thing I don't like about them is the wedge angle is a bit shallow. If you place it right against the base of a mic stand, it's pointing at your knees. Nothing an audio block can't fix.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Jeff Lelko on June 01, 2021, 03:14:35 PM
Hi Matt,

In the sub-$500 category Iím going to say nothing worth owning unless you find a good deal on used older gear thatís still in good working condition.  The Mackie SRM450 comes to mind (weíve all used them) but they wonít compare to the better prosumer options on the market.  Iíve heard positive comments about Alto boxes but have no direct experience to offer.

For around $1,000 you have the Yamaha DZR12 and JBL SRX812P.  Both are well-received here and are generally considered best in class for their price point.  The QSC K.2 Series is also an option but overall not as popular as the JBL and Yamaha products.  For what itís worth Iím still using my QSC HPR boxes for this purpose, but sadly QSCís long product life (KW especially) has lost them market share when it comes to competitive offerings versus Yamaha and JBL.  Hope this helps!
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on June 01, 2021, 03:37:13 PM
Hi Matt,

In the sub-$500 category Iím going to say nothing worth owning unless you find a good deal on used older gear thatís still in good working condition.  The Mackie SRM450 comes to mind (weíve all used them) but they wonít compare to the better prosumer options on the market.  Iíve heard positive comments about Alto boxes but have no direct experience to offer.

For around $1,000 you have the Yamaha DZR12 and JBL SRX812P.  Both are well-received here and are generally considered best in class for their price point.  The QSC K.2 Series is also an option but overall not as popular as the JBL and Yamaha products.  For what itís worth Iím still using my QSC HPR boxes for this purpose, but sadly QSCís long product life (KW especially) has lost them market share when it comes to competitive offerings versus Yamaha and JBL.  Hope this helps!

Main PA is SRX812P over SRX828SP, thus why we're talking about the under $500 range and $500-1000 range.  The SRX/DZR are over the $1400+.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Chris Grimshaw on June 01, 2021, 03:41:09 PM
The cheapest box I'd ever recommend would be the Yamaha DBR10.

At sensible volumes, they sound fine - it's a 10" 2-way box, so difficult to get badly wrong. Turn them up, and the cheap drivers make themselves known pretty quickly. The switchable EQs are pretty useful, and the limiters clamp down well enough to make them basically impossible to kill. The I/O is pretty handy, too.

I'd always push a potential buyer towards something more expensive and better-performing, but when someone asks for the cheapest half-decent thing, well, that's it.


I keep one around which goes out with a 21" subwoofer for house party rentals. That setup has paid for itself many times over.

Chris
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Jeff Lelko on June 01, 2021, 03:41:28 PM
The SRX/DZR are over the $1400+.

Not if you buy through a good dealer  ;)

More of the same also carries merit. 
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Scott Holtzman on June 01, 2021, 03:45:13 PM
Main PA is SRX812P over SRX828SP, thus why we're talking about the under $500 range and $500-1000 range.  The SRX/DZR are over the $1400+.


All the vendors make $500 speakers, JBL PRX, Yamaha DXR, EV.  The Yamaha DXR work well for inexpensive speakers.  $500 speakers get $500 expectations.



Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on June 01, 2021, 03:47:04 PM
Not if you buy through a good dealer  ;)

More of the same also carries merit.

Yes, there are plenty on here.  I was basing off the Retail Price.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Russell Ault on June 01, 2021, 03:48:15 PM
What about in the $500-1000 speaker? {...}

Not sure about availability 'State-side, but Yorkville Parasources should come in around this price-point.

-Russ
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Dave Garoutte on June 01, 2021, 04:06:52 PM
Yamaha DXR
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Steve Crump on June 01, 2021, 04:27:28 PM
RCF D LINE


I haven't had a listen, but what about?

Martin Blackline?

FBT X-Lite?
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on June 01, 2021, 04:31:01 PM
Under $500 the EV ZLX12p is a solid choice, they have been bulletproof for me having suffered no failures despite the occasional blast of feedback, thumps from instruments getting unplugged, one was even tipped over and fell face down on a concrete floor from up on a  tripod stand by a drunk(wasted) bridemaid and sufferend nothing more than a slight ding in one corner. These have DSP presets for various things including as a floor monitor and overall don't sound terrible, look good, and are light and easy to handle.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Ned Ward on June 01, 2021, 05:53:25 PM
I found a nearly unused used QSC K10 for $500 - at Guitar Center, of all places. sounds great, got loud enough, and would get another one for that price vs. lugging my daughters Roland KC500 amp as a monitor for the drummer...
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Brian Jojade on June 01, 2021, 06:09:00 PM
What is your purpose? Is this adding more inventory to your collection? If so, I'd say pick a model and make ALL of your inventory the same.  In the end, the savings of getting a cheaper box today doesn't really translate to much savings in the long run, and it's more of a hassle to deal with different speakers that behave differently.

When you compare true cost per event, assume you can use the speaker 100 times before replacing it, and you can sell it at 50% of what you paid for it at that point. (typically you can get more or use them much longer, but this is for the sake of argument)

A $500 speaker used 100 times and sold for 50% at the end of it's life would have a cost per show of $2.50.  The $1400 speaker would have a cost of $7 using the same formula. $4.50 different per show.  On a typical show, with 4 monitors and 2 mains, that means the cost difference per show is $27.  It's pretty easy to ask $27 more than the competition for a show when your speakers are 3X as good....
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Scott Bolt on June 01, 2021, 06:56:15 PM
If you are using subs, at $900 each (MAP), the DSR112 is pretty tough to beat.

If you don't have subs and are going strictly SOS, it depends.

If you really want cheap ($500 ish or less), the ZLX, DBR and Alto TS312  are all in the same league; however, the Yamaha DBR comes with a solid 7 year warranty which would make it my choice in this category (since none of them are going to sound like your SRX's anyway).

If you are willing to move up a level, the DXR12mkii would be my recommendation (again, for the warranty).  They sound pretty good ... again, not as good as your SRX's, but CONSIDERABLY better than the really cheap speakers I mentioned above.

If you don't mind the extra size, the DXR15's are amazing in their ability to put out low frequency without a sub and are around the same price as the 12's.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: George Friedman-Jimenez on June 01, 2021, 07:03:35 PM
+1 on the DXR10, although it is slightly over your cutoff of $500 now with the MkII version. The DXR10 is my favorite of all the powered speakers I have used in that general price range. Sound, size/weight, handle placement, ease of use, dual pole cups, build quality, monitor angle all work for me in a small club environment for both SOS and monitors. I hope to get back to that soon...
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on June 01, 2021, 07:39:08 PM
What is your purpose? Is this adding more inventory to your collection? If so, I'd say pick a model and make ALL of your inventory the same.  In the end, the savings of getting a cheaper box today doesn't really translate to much savings in the long run, and it's more of a hassle to deal with different speakers that behave differently.

When you compare true cost per event, assume you can use the speaker 100 times before replacing it, and you can sell it at 50% of what you paid for it at that point. (typically you can get more or use them much longer, but this is for the sake of argument)

A $500 speaker used 100 times and sold for 50% at the end of it's life would have a cost per show of $2.50.  The $1400 speaker would have a cost of $7 using the same formula. $4.50 different per show.  On a typical show, with 4 monitors and 2 mains, that means the cost difference per show is $27.  It's pretty easy to ask $27 more than the competition for a show when your speakers are 3X as good....

rebuilding on a budget.

I don't need a SRX on wedges for bar band.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on June 01, 2021, 07:40:19 PM
If you are using subs, at $900 each (MAP), the DSR112 is pretty tough to beat.

If you don't have subs and are going strictly SOS, it depends.

If you really want cheap ($500 ish or less), the ZLX, DBR and Alto TS312  are all in the same league; however, the Yamaha DBR comes with a solid 7 year warranty which would make it my choice in this category (since none of them are going to sound like your SRX's anyway).

If you are willing to move up a level, the DXR12mkii would be my recommendation (again, for the warranty).  They sound pretty good ... again, not as good as your SRX's, but CONSIDERABLY better than the really cheap speakers I mentioned above.

If you don't mind the extra size, the DXR15's are amazing in their ability to put out low frequency without a sub and are around the same price as the 12's.

primarily on monitors.. mains for acoustic stuff.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Kemper Watson on June 01, 2021, 08:14:20 PM
If you are using subs, at $900 each (MAP), the DSR112 is pretty tough to beat.


Agreed. I bought a pair used a few years ago and was literally stunned at how acurate they sound.
Still my main powered tops 4 years later
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Scott Holtzman on June 01, 2021, 11:27:58 PM
Agreed. I bought a pair used a few years ago and was literally stunned at how acurate they sound.
Still my main powered tops 4 years later


DSR is one of those rare birds that punches above it's price point.  We pushed all of our KW112's to monitor duty and have 4 pairs of DSR's in stock now.  Next speaker up in our rental inventory is a VRX932LA.  I just didn't see a need for another point and shoot box. 


For political rallies, pre-event space, protests anyplace somebody needs a speaker on a stick for cheap we have kitchen sink of options but unless you are a good customer you don't get to pick.  The ZLX's mentioned are under performing, not impressed at all with those, the ELX for a few coins more are the safe bet.  We have both.  We have Turbo sound Inspire and Milan's (the IQ's are just above your price point).  Bunch of old HK Actors that just keep going I am sure I am forgetting something.


For small monitors we have over a dozen Alto coax wedges, these work great, especially for talking heads.  You can get a similar Turbosound product for your price point.  Coax wedges work great. 


My favorite (but they are out of your range) monitors is the Yamaha DXR 10's.  They get as loud as QSC K12's and are much lighter, easier to pack (get 4 in a big trunk) and the 7 year warranty can't be beat.  I would stop look at the candy people online and call Mike Pyle, he is a member here and a dealer for many lines.  He will take great care of you.


Lastly, this rambling post is meant to show that in the $500 $25.00/ea rental it really doesn't matter, you could get a pile of Alto's and Behringers and make the same money.  How many are you looking to purchase?  I try and have 1 spare for each 8 in inventory.



Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Brian Bolly on June 02, 2021, 03:05:11 AM
Both Brian and Scott nail the points that I've subscribed to for over a decade (and wish I knew/realized earlier).

What is your purpose? Is this adding more inventory to your collection? If so, I'd say pick a model and make ALL of your inventory the same.  In the end, the savings of getting a cheaper box today doesn't really translate to much savings in the long run, and it's more of a hassle to deal with different speakers that behave differently.

THEOREM - System, system, system.  If all of your boxes play nice together, building a SYSTEM out of what is in your inventory is easy.  Bigger speakers are mains, subs scale up and down depending on size, smaller speakers become fills on larger systems or standalone for compact systems.  But timbre/phase is similar across the board, and any speaker will play nice with any other speaker.

Lastly, this rambling post is meant to show that in the $500 $25.00/ea rental it really doesn't matter, you could get a pile of Alto's and Behringers and make the same money.  How many are you looking to purchase?  I try and have 1 spare for each 8 in inventory.

COROLLARY - Buy the best tool possible for the job, or the cheapest piece of crap to get you through the gig.  But recognize that there is a billing price point at which the Client does not care about the product or method used ó so long as Sound Comes Out your work is done. 

PSW porism: Buy Once, Cry Once (Lowum, et. al.)


Matt,

If the end goal is cheap boxes that you don't care if beer get dumped into on wedge duty, but can also double as speaker-on-stick for an "I need sound here" situation, there are a myriad of MI level boxes that will do the trick, and also have a mic input or two on the back.  If you are now a JBL shop, even the EON range is "pretty cheap" and may do the job.  Personally I wouldn't necessarily be looking at the absolute cheapest box here, but more one with a good warranty that may actually sound good.

We have a handful of boxes that do not fit with the "System" mindset that are of the last-ditch, don't-really-care-what-happens-to-them category.  I consider them borderline disposable, and as soon as one stops working it will get parted out for any value left and disposed of accordingly.  But that's exactly what they were purchased for and designed to do.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on June 02, 2021, 11:04:24 AM
Both Brian and Scott nail the points that I've subscribed to for over a decade (and wish I knew/realized earlier).

THEOREM - System, system, system.  If all of your boxes play nice together, building a SYSTEM out of what is in your inventory is easy.  Bigger speakers are mains, subs scale up and down depending on size, smaller speakers become fills on larger systems or standalone for compact systems.  But timbre/phase is similar across the board, and any speaker will play nice with any other speaker.

COROLLARY - Buy the best tool possible for the job, or the cheapest piece of crap to get you through the gig.  But recognize that there is a billing price point at which the Client does not care about the product or method used ó so long as Sound Comes Out your work is done. 

PSW porism: Buy Once, Cry Once (Lowum, et. al.)


Matt,

If the end goal is cheap boxes that you don't care if beer get dumped into on wedge duty, but can also double as speaker-on-stick for an "I need sound here" situation, there are a myriad of MI level boxes that will do the trick, and also have a mic input or two on the back.  If you are now a JBL shop, even the EON range is "pretty cheap" and may do the job.  Personally I wouldn't necessarily be looking at the absolute cheapest box here, but more one with a good warranty that may actually sound good.

We have a handful of boxes that do not fit with the "System" mindset that are of the last-ditch, don't-really-care-what-happens-to-them category.  I consider them borderline disposable, and as soon as one stops working it will get parted out for any value left and disposed of accordingly.  But that's exactly what they were purchased for and designed to do.

I'm rebuilding on a budget and have been trying to buy lightly used gear to get the system up and running.  Trying to find used monitors has been unsuccessful.  And all the local stores in my area are still in COVID limits, so it's hard to demo/compare boxes before buying. 

But for the jobs I'm going to invest in, you can't piece part the invoice, and it's more of I can do the job(s) for $#### and I'll bring X# of wedges to support the "headlining" band and most bands for the day.  Anything more, I have a good relationship with the regional companies and can sub-rent gear.

I understand the Buy Once, Cry Once philosophy... while that is a good slogan, budget comes into effect when buying 5x speakers at $450 ($2250) vs $800 ($4000) vs $1400 ($7000).

I'm just trying to find that "best bang for the buck" speaker that can be throw in multiple situation.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: scottstephens on June 02, 2021, 01:24:38 PM
Matt,

If you are used to the JBL sound, why don't you just stick with it. Saying that because I too have a JBL system and I picked up several of the PRX 812's and they have been rock solid except one needed the volume knob exercised. After that it was all good. They sound decent, are wooden boxes, are relatively light weight, and get loud. They don't sound like a Meyer or even a top-end JBL. But they aren't bad and they cost way less than either of those. And let's face it, we have eq's to fix most of what we do not like.  I picked mine up ( had them shipped to me) at NSL in Pittsburgh for a pretty good price. And also, who at the level you will be using them at is going to notice that they are "only prx's"?  NOBODY.

Good shopping and Mixing. 

Scott
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Brian Bolly on June 03, 2021, 05:22:02 AM
I'm rebuilding on a budget and have been trying to buy lightly used gear to get the system up and running.  Trying to find used monitors has been unsuccessful.  And all the local stores in my area are still in COVID limits, so it's hard to demo/compare boxes before buying. 

But for the jobs I'm going to invest in, you can't piece part the invoice, and it's more of I can do the job(s) for $#### and I'll bring X# of wedges to support the "headlining" band and most bands for the day.  Anything more, I have a good relationship with the regional companies and can sub-rent gear.

I understand the Buy Once, Cry Once philosophy... while that is a good slogan, budget comes into effect when buying 5x speakers at $450 ($2250) vs $800 ($4000) vs $1400 ($7000).

I'm just trying to find that "best bang for the buck" speaker that can be throw in multiple situation.

I believe Chuck's is open - that may be a good one-stop to at least audition a few models at the same time.

It sounds like if you only need to provide wedges/speakers (no rider acceptance), then the "cheap plastic box" may be the best budget solution here, especially if you can cross name brand pro wedges from other local companies. 

FWIW, you can easily get into used pro-level (discontinued) boxes for <$900/box, not including power.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Brian Jojade on June 03, 2021, 03:10:06 PM
I'm rebuilding on a budget and have been trying to buy lightly used gear to get the system up and running.  Trying to find used monitors has been unsuccessful.  And all the local stores in my area are still in COVID limits, so it's hard to demo/compare boxes before buying.

I understand the Buy Once, Cry Once philosophy... while that is a good slogan, budget comes into effect when buying 5x speakers at $450 ($2250) vs $800 ($4000) vs $1400 ($7000).

I'm just trying to find that "best bang for the buck" speaker that can be throw in multiple situation.

Monitors are one of those  things that's tough to find 'lightly used' unless you get lucky.  Generally, you can buy new, or you buy stuff that's been beat up and destroyed. The exceptions to the rule are those that bought cheap monitors and realized they suck, then upgraded to quality stuff quickly.  But on the cheap end, the savings of used often aren't worth the potential headaches.

Yeah, I get that buying better stuff requires more cash outlay up front. But over time, that amount of cash is really small peanuts.  Having quality gear means you get to play in the bigger pool too, meaning you can make that price difference up easier.  There's nothing stopping you from using better gear at lower end events (although, not as profitable) but if you don't have the better gear, then you can forget about getting the bigger events.  Once you put all of the math together, buying the cheap stuff quickly becomes something you'll pass on.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Mal Brown on June 03, 2021, 04:36:41 PM
FWIW - an associate up in Seattle just fixed his alto inventory.  by pulling the amps, installing passive crossovers and sealing the box up again...

have heard positive things about QSC CP but have no experience with them.  I have 4 DSR 112 that make fine monitors and tops.  They usually go out as floormonitors with K or KW mains.  I say put the best you have on the band.  Happy bands deliver better performances.  The punters won't really hear the difference...
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Doug Fowler on June 03, 2021, 07:37:07 PM
The punters won't really hear the difference...

THIS
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Scott Bolt on June 03, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
The punters won't really hear the difference...
That is soooo pitiful .... and sadly true.

Of course, there are the odd audiophile and/or BE out there that occasionally shows up in the audience .... but really, most people can only hear the difference between a really good system, and a particularly bad one..... and it is likely they would simply attribute the sound to the band, not the equipment.... as would most bands.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Doug Fowler on June 03, 2021, 09:10:26 PM
That is soooo pitiful .... and sadly true.

Of course, there are the odd audiophile and/or BE out there that occasionally shows up in the audience .... but really, most people can only hear the difference between a really good system, and a particularly bad one..... and it is likely they would simply attribute the sound to the band, not the equipment.... as would most bands.

As long as average punters can hear the vocals it's all good (in their world).
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on June 04, 2021, 09:51:48 AM
Well, after I posted something on FB asking if someone was selling some speakers.  I am picking up some lightly used RCF NX12SMA within my 'high' budget.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on June 04, 2021, 05:13:30 PM
Although you are probably already set with those RCFís (nice), I just wanted to mention that I picked up a pair of the Alto TS310ís ( the TS312ís were mentioned earlier) and they are surprisingly good. I was able to test them against my DXR8 which of course is only an 8Ē compared to a 10Ē BUT the Alto holds up and even sounds better on some sources IMHO.
I used MP3 music of various styles to test and both Chris and I agreed that the Altos have a slightly clearer and punchier upper mid yet provide a beefy low end too. The build isnít as good perhaps and the finish - well that wonít remain unscated for very long but when it comes down to pure sound quality, they are pretty amazing for what I paid.
One of them went out on their maiden voyage last week as monitor and the guitar player LOVED it. We were all shocked how much we could push it and it still performed admirably...

OH and it is REALLY lightweight!!!
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Richard Penrose on June 04, 2021, 07:07:52 PM
Yep those 10Ē Altoís are really surprising little boxes. I have 3 of the older TS210ís and they have been used several times a week as wedge monitors, keyboard/bass amps and foh for small acoustic events and they have been a great workhorse that has paid for themselves over and over on a weekly basis! The TS310ís are said to be an improvement over the TS210ís.
A while back I saw a post on Facebook advertising a new Alto TS4 series with improved driver and amp module but this has since been taken down!
My only complaint with the Alto TS series is the finish on the cabinets. This finish scratches easier than any other speaker Iíve used by far! I really wish Alto updated these cabinets to something much more durable!
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on June 04, 2021, 07:45:28 PM
Yep those 10Ē Altoís are really surprising little boxes. I have 3 of the older TS210ís and they have been used several times a week as wedge monitors, keyboard/bass amps and foh for small acoustic events and they have been a great workhorse that has paid for themselves over and over on a weekly basis! The TS310ís are said to be an improvement over the TS210ís.
A while back I saw a post on Facebook advertising a new Alto TS4 series with improved driver and amp module but this has since been taken down!
My only complaint with the Alto TS series is the finish on the cabinets. This finish scratches easier than any other speaker Iíve used by far! I really wish Alto updated these cabinets to something much more durable!

Yes that was/is my concern too especially as I am quite fussy about how I look after my gear. I had a pair of the EV ELX speakers a few years ago and the finish was pretty poor - easily chipped and marked BUT at least any marks could be easily painted over and any dings could be filled and then painted because they were wood.

I have covers for the Altos but I know that even looking at them will cause marks over time.

Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Scott Bolt on June 04, 2021, 08:36:04 PM
I wonder if a nice thick clear coat wouldn't keep the cabs looking good?
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Heath Eldridge on June 06, 2021, 10:18:46 PM
I have 6 of the RCF art 310a that I use as monitors. The NX wonít go wrong.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on June 06, 2021, 11:47:30 PM
I wonder if a nice thick clear coat wouldn't keep the cabs looking good?

I could see that being a possibility with wood  - but they are plastic.

BTW - We used one of them again last night for a different band and once again I got the thumbs up!
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Kemper Watson on June 07, 2021, 08:57:50 AM
Well, after I posted something on FB asking if someone was selling some speakers.  I am picking up some lightly used RCF NX12SMA within my 'high' budget.

You will be happy with this purchase.
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Bill Hornibrook on June 07, 2021, 11:23:29 AM
FWIW - an associate up in Seattle just fixed his alto inventory.  by pulling the amps, installing passive crossovers and sealing the box up again...

Mal do you know why he did this? Did he have amp modules that were failing? If so, do you know which speakers?
Title: Re: "Best" Budget powered speakers
Post by: Richard Penrose on June 17, 2021, 06:29:10 PM
I used my Alto TS210ís for an outdoor choir rehearsal in a park yesterday. I had 1 vocal mic, keys and bass. The bass player used one of the TS210ís as a bass amp. I was really surprised at how well these little budget speakers performed. You could hear the vocal and keys clearly across the park and the bass sounded surprisingly good!
Iím not claiming these are better than other budget alternatives by RCF, EV and Yamaha etc, they have possibly been my biggest earners as they get used several times a week, most weeks of the year. They have also been very reliable and the limiter did a great job protecting the drivers when I made a big mistake. One of my TS210ís was being used to plug a vocal mic into it for a choir director and the input was turned well up into the mic gain at around 80%. Later that evening that same TS210 was being used as a monitor for a drummer who wanted to hear a lot of bass, keys, 4x vocals and I forgot to turn the input down into the line level area. When the band started the sound check, the sound was absolutely screaming through this little budget speaker. The bass was practically shaking the box and the sound was pretty distorted. At first I didnít work out where this was coming from so the TS210 took a hammering for a good minute or two. Amazingly though, when I turned the level down to line level and not mic level the speaker was still working perfectly. The speakers is still working perfectly 3-4 years later. Iíve had similar speakers blow for a lot less than this!
I just wish the cabinets were more durable as these are somewhat a bargain (I paid less than £200 each)!

Iím now getting to the point where my TS210ís are looking quite tatty and could do with being replaced. I am seriously considering the TS310ís based on my experience with the TS210ís but am slightly put off with the poor cabinet. I will probably wait a little longer fo the TS4 range as from memory, the brochure I saw said the cabinet will be more durable along with upgraded drivers and amps!