Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 06 December 2006 21:12 |
One of the A&H's new competitors is the Mackie onyx boards. Ive been mixing on the onyx's for some time now and really like their sound. The A&H sounds completely different though. I thought the Mackie would give the A&H a run for it's money, but there is no competition. The Mackie has a more middy sound to it, while the A&H has no "sound" to it. I like the EQ on the A&H a lot more and I like the feel of the A&H board. Mackie's sweeps dont go below 100hz, A&H goes to 35hz. You just cant beat that! The Mackie is also a lot larger and heavier then the A&H. The 32 channel gl2800 is just over 4' long, less then 2' deep and only around 100lbs. The Mackie is over a foot longer and deeper too. It also weighs around 10lbs more. I'd pick the A&H board over a Mackie any day, though Mackie has really improved. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 06 December 2006 19:12 |
I found myself using less eq then normal, but at the same time I was using completely different frequencies then normal. Normally I boost 3k on the kick channel, but I found myself boosting 1k with the A&H. |
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The mute groups are also nice. Instead of going through the trouble of hitting the mute button on each channel, I can just hit the mute group and be done with it. |
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However, there are a few things I didnt like so much. They did a great job with packing a ton of features into a small space, but thats the problem. Too much stuff too close together. |
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Also, another thing Ive noticed with all A&H's is slower meters. Ive never quite got the concept of that. On my Peavey board the meters are very quick, but with any A&H I've mixed on the meters are a lot slower. Whats the reasoning behind that? |
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I also would have liked an internal psu. The external one is a pain to haul around. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 06 December 2006 20:12 |
One of the A&H's new competitors is the Mackie onyx boards. Ive been mixing on the onyx's for some time now and really like their sound. The A&H sounds completely different though. I thought the Mackie would give the A&H a run for it's money, but there is no competition. The Mackie has a more middy sound to it, while the A&H has no "sound" to it. I like the EQ on the A&H a lot more and I like the feel of the A&H board. Mackie's sweeps dont go below 100hz, A&H goes to 35hz. You just cant beat that! The Mackie is also a lot larger and heavier then the A&H. The 32 channel gl2800 is just over 4' long, less then 2' deep and only around 100lbs. The Mackie is over a foot longer and deeper too. It also weighs around 10lbs more. I'd pick the A&H board over a Mackie any day, though Mackie has really improved. Evan |
Matt Viv wrote on Wed, 06 December 2006 23:02 | ||
Which Mackie Onyx are you using? Are you saying the A&H has a flatter sound than the Mackie? Did you ever play with SMAART on the different boards? like an A/B test... |
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Onyx1640 and Onyx2480 Havent smaarted the boards, but Ive mixed the 3 boards on the same rig. A&H has a more "flat" tone to it. Evan |
Tony Tissot wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 16:54 |
How is the build quality after the move to manufacturing in China? |
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How is the build quality after the move to manufacturing in China? |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 14:46 |
I ran the board hard again. Clipped the busses and you cant tell. It shows no signs of stress even pushing as hard as I can! Even though most of the night I was only running around 0. I made sure to push it up for the headliner though. Evan |
RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 20:40 | ||
Evan, Do you push you rig to the limits on every gig? That seems a little silly to me. You will lose you hearing, get tinitus, blow up 8" drivers, cause premature failures of equipment, etc. Is this just typical teenage behavior, wanting it really loud? |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 20:59 |
The world of Combat audio Ryan.... I normally find myself running out of gas pretty quick. With limited power its really a battle. 99% of the time I mix around the drummer. They play soo loud I have to try to get over top of it. So, I find myself running right up into the red. Im not gonna blow anything up, cause I know my limits. Ive gone past the limits once and blew up the 8's, but Im not letting that happen again. |
Tony Tissot wrote on Fri, 08 December 2006 13:24 | ||
We'll actually - no it does not... |
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 12:26 | ||||
I guess we won't know the truth of it until either of you actually shows the measurements. It would be interesting to fill the mixers up with pink noise on every channel and Smaart them mixed down to the main bus. The differences between mic preamps can be so subtle you have to add them together in quantity to show results. -Bink |
Bennett Prescott wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 11:33 |
I suspect that differences in timbre between mic preamps is one of those things, like differences in sound between two perfectly flat speakers that nonetheless sound different, that cannot (easily?) be measured in Smaart. No doubt there is a phase component, but the rest... who knows? |
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 11:26 |
I guess we won't know the truth of it until either of you actually shows the measurements. It would be interesting to fill the mixers up with pink noise on every channel and Smaart them mixed down to the main bus. The differences between mic preamps can be so subtle you have to add them together in quantity to show results. -Bink |
John Roberts {JR} wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 12:57 |
Arghhh... "Timbre"? While I suspect real differences between preamp are overstated, if there are repeatable audible differences they can be characterized by measurements. Note: I am not saying that they are characterized by published measurements only that they can be. |
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...BTW: hows the heat induced green to brown conversions coming? |
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 13:16 |
Just fine, thanks. Today's another conversion day. It turns out the 24v 2VA Ace Hardware doorbell xfrmr I used on the fan circuit was woefully underspec and burned out on me... a much larger Radio Shack xfrmr with the same 2VA spec is working perfectly. Not overheating at all. I failed to anticipate the two-week holiday vacation of Sweet Maria's people. Sometime between Xmas and NYE I'll run out of my stuff which means I'll use Peet's to tide me over until early Jan when I get another green bag. Current favorite is The Juan Francisco Project. -Bink |
ThomasDameron wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 15:09 |
Hold it with one hand on the armrest where there is an angle and the other on the back where the i/o is. Tilt it a little until the hand with the i/o feels comfortable. Then put it down and go order a roadcase. Also, I see the flat ends as a benefit because it means the console will have a narrower footprint. Some gigs every inch counts. thomas d. |
Tony Tissot wrote on Fri, 08 December 2006 16:24 |
... I gave up on Mackie after they became the BOSE of "MI/pro" audio. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Thu, 25 January 2007 20:23 |
The "latch" on the talk back mic no longer works. What's up with that? I use it once and it breaks... Thats not a good selling point. ...snip... Other then the talkback problem the console's preformed great. I still love mixing on it. Evan |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Thu, 25 January 2007 19:23 |
The "latch" on the talk back mic no longer works. What's up with that? I use it once and it breaks... Thats not a good selling point. |
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Also, I noticed the board says "made in England" on the back. Are the more expensive GL consoles still made in England, or do I have a special one? |
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Other then the talkback problem the console's preformed great. I still love mixing on it. |
Jim Brown wrote on Mon, 01 January 2007 18:24 |
TBH I'd take the view if I was designing it that there are two very likely scenarios for the desk: 1. Road use: Always cased, removed when a fault occurrs. Frequency of movement out of case low. Most cleaning in a fitted case can be done without desk removal. 2. Install use: Not cased, lifted from packaging into mix position. Not moved very often until a fault occurs. If you also factor in the expense of machining handles in, allowing the extra room in the desk for the recess, the extra components and the additional processes on the production line then I think it stacks up in favour of not having handles on the desk. |
Randall Cook wrote on Fri, 27 March 2009 16:05 |
Is it a good idea to use the stereo 9-10 aux for effects sends? Left or 9 to Reverb and Right or 10 to Delay? What's the best way to use the auxes of the GL2800 when you need more than 4 monitor mixes (pre fade) and at least 2 auxes for effects (post)? Thank you! |
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Routing buttons bunched up with no indication of on or off |
chris johnson wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 00:01 |
im not tryin to be a dick or anything, but that photo says 1994 in the corner. maybe im missing something, but that console, which was used, not new, in 1994, is better than a brand new A & H 2800? |
chris johnson wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 17:17 |
so i think we are purchasing a 48 channel 2800 sometime this month where i work. cheapest i can find currently new is 6700ish. i guess my question is, if you had 6700 to spend on a 48 channel FOH console, what would you buy? all signs for our current situation point to this board, but i am curious if there is anything out there i should be looking into. thanks for your time in advance. |
chris johnson wrote on Fri, 16 July 2010 13:00 |
we deal with riders fairly often, but for the most part, what we have to deal with is fairly easy to accommodate so far. we just have been renting in a 48 channel verona if our little champ will not cut it. damn you all. now i want a apb. wish i could find a 48 channel one used right now for cheap. |
Teri Hogan wrote on Sat, 17 July 2010 12:38 |
I have PMd you about my Spectra-T, whose name, by the way, is Phil Spectra. |
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FWIW the Verona is not a VCA console |
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and is fairly similar to the GL2800. |
Doug Fowler wrote on Mon, 19 July 2010 09:33 | ||
Riiiiiight...... |