Post by: Rich Grisier on April 16, 2010, 04:52:48 PM
Post by: Stuart Pendleton on April 16, 2010, 05:06:33 PM
Should give you something to read for a while.....try a search. Discussed plenty of times before now.
Post by: Rich Grisier on April 16, 2010, 05:15:42 PM
| Stuart Pendleton wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 17:06 |
Should give you something to read for a while.....try a search. Discussed plenty of times before now. |
Thanks for the pointer! I did search... but a search on Amp Racks, or Racks returns a haystack of results.
Post by: Stuart Pendleton on April 16, 2010, 05:19:17 PM
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on April 16, 2010, 07:08:55 PM
| Stuart Pendleton wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 14:19 |
The right search here will include the word "porn"." My search to find that thread for you was "amp rack porn." |
This is the internet, every search is for PORN.
Post by: John Cameron on April 16, 2010, 07:35:42 PM
Post by: Mario Data on April 16, 2010, 07:48:23 PM
FOH and amp. All connections are on the front of the amp rack. I makes setup a lot faster for me.
Post by: David Haulman on April 16, 2010, 09:13:57 PM
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on April 16, 2010, 09:29:17 PM
Post by: Jordan Wolf on April 16, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
| benjamin fisher wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 21:29 |
I dont think mine are good enough to post on here haha. |
I know you're being a bit facetious, but...
Sure they are! Just because they're not all neat n' tidy or full of the latest amps and processing doesn't mean you can't be proud of them. I say post some pics and, at the least, you'll get pointers on how to make sure everything is wired, organized, and placed properly.
Post by: Gerry Seymour on April 16, 2010, 10:07:46 PM
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on April 16, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
Racks and such:
Speakers:
"Big" FOH:
Otherwise, this is what I spend most of the year behind:
Evan
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on April 16, 2010, 11:07:56 PM
| Jordan Wolf wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 21:05 | ||
I know you're being a bit facetious, but... Sure they are! Just because they're not all neat n' tidy or full of the latest amps and processing doesn't mean you can't be proud of them. I say post some pics and, at the least, you'll get pointers on how to make sure everything is wired, organized, and placed properly. |
Fine. Pretty basic, I dont have any pics of the rear, but once I finally build new racks with rear rails, I will make a nice patch panel. Crossover is now in my FOH Rack. Nady Rack lights are just from my old setup. Although they are SKB cases, I'm really glad to have them over my old home made wood ones, and I got a killer deal on two 10ru's.
Post by: Joe Brugnoni on April 17, 2010, 12:13:34 AM
I am able to lave the back on so it is one less lid to find and reinstall when I am tierd
Post by: Tim Padrick on April 17, 2010, 03:42:09 AM
| RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 18:08 | ||
This is the internet, every search is for PORN. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc
Post by: Mario Data on April 17, 2010, 09:53:54 AM
| benjamin fisher wrote on Fri, 16 April 2010 22:07 | ||||
Fine. Pretty basic, I dont have any pics of the rear, but once I finally build new racks with rear rails, I will make a nice patch panel. Crossover is now in my FOH Rack. Nady Rack lights are just from my old setup. Although they are SKB cases, I'm really glad to have them over my old home made wood ones, and I got a killer deal on two 10ru's. |
The first thing I would do is put 4 screws in each component, not just 2.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on April 17, 2010, 12:20:07 PM
| Mario Data wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 08:53 |
The first thing I would do is put 4 screws in each component, not just 2. |
No, thats the 2nd thing I am going to do. The first thing to do is get actual SKB screws (or something that will work). None of the cases came with anything to mount with so I had to do a last minute rigging with some hardware left over from my studio racks.
Post by: John Cameron on April 17, 2010, 12:26:21 PM
| benjamin fisher wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 12:20 | ||
No, thats the 2nd thing I am going to do. The first thing to do is get actual SKB screws (or something that will work). None of the cases came with anything to mount with so I had to do a last minute rigging with some hardware left over from my studio racks. |
Ebay is your friend: http://cgi.ebay.com/SKB-19AC1-Rack-Mount-Nut-Retainer-Clips- Screws-Set-12_W0QQitemZ280429407981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item414ae52eed
John
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on April 17, 2010, 12:27:56 PM
| John Cameron wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 11:26 | ||||
Ebay is your friend: http://cgi.ebay.com/SKB-19AC1-Rack-Mount-Nut-Retainer-Clips- Screws-Set-12_W0QQitemZ280429407981QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item414ae52eed John |
Yeah I've seen them on there and other places, but $20 for 3 rack spaces? What a joke. When I find a cheaper, more reasonable alternative I will do the swap
Post by: Jake Scudder on April 17, 2010, 06:17:38 PM
| benjamin fisher wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 12:27 | ||||||
Yeah I've seen them on there and other places, but $20 for 3 rack spaces? What a joke. When I find a cheaper, more reasonable alternative I will do the swap |
You are right there. The faster you can move away from SKB, Gator, and other plastic cases the better. It may not be cheaper but it will definitely be more reasonable to invest in some better cases. There are numerous threads here discussing sources for these.
Post by: Tim Padrick on April 17, 2010, 08:40:56 PM
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 17, 2010, 09:21:13 PM
Has it been 6 months already?
Post by: Mac Kerr on April 17, 2010, 09:35:38 PM
| Tim McCulloch wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 21:21 |
Aaaaarrrrrggggg.. Has it been 6 months already? |
No, not yet.
Mac
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on April 17, 2010, 10:10:40 PM
| Tim McCulloch wrote on Sat, 17 April 2010 21:21 |
Aaaaarrrrrggggg.. Has it been 6 months already? |
C'mon Tim! Let's see those shiny IT racks and Vertec rigs.
Last time you posted a rack, it was full of Crest Pro 01 amps! 
Evan
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 17, 2010, 11:06:08 PM
And a bunch of ITechs in Blackhust/Stage Gear shock racks, most with Schubert RedBox audio and data i/o panels. Nothing special about any of them.... at least, nothing special in the world of regional or touring production.
That's why these are pr0n threads. The posts by Derick S on his breakin/out panels, or your posts on building & wiring an IEM rack are very cool, but pics of racks by themselves are just exploitive. And every time you exploit a rack, god kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens!
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
Post by: Joe Brugnoni on April 18, 2010, 07:46:11 PM
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on April 18, 2010, 08:59:25 PM
My FOH rack; 01V96, Presonus D8, SLX wiress, 1231 (on the mains). Tablet PC for Lights.
The Lighting rig; 2 LED 420-B and 4 Par575 cans, 1W version & RBGAW. On the tree is LED-420B & 1 Par575 (pointed at the drummer) with 1 can on the floor per side.
Post by: Jeff Wheeler on April 18, 2010, 09:05:53 PM
Post by: Steve Hurt on April 18, 2010, 10:25:49 PM
Nice minimal footprint light rig, btw!
Post by: Tim Padrick on April 19, 2010, 03:37:44 AM
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Sun, 18 April 2010 20:05 |
Not to pick on Matt or those performers at all, but I noticed an illuminated EXIT sign above the door behind the drum kit. If someone asked me to setup in such a location, I would refuse to do the gig, and I would lose a customer over it if I had to. As far as I know it is totally illegal to block such an exit, and even if it seemed safe, any kind of inspector could jump on it. Am I right to think this way? |
Depends. Usually there are exit minimums, depending on the room capacity and the layout. If the minimums are met even with a particular exit blocked, you might meet code. Still not a good idea.
Post by: Gerry Seymour on April 19, 2010, 07:59:49 AM
Post by: Joe Brugnoni on April 19, 2010, 08:38:53 AM
I noticed that the monitor rack had all the connection at the top and the FOH rack looked like they are the bottom. Has one worked out better than the other?
Post by: Rick Stansby on April 19, 2010, 11:56:01 AM
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on April 19, 2010, 05:30:44 PM
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Sun, 18 April 2010 21:05 |
Not to pick on Matt or those performers at all, but I noticed an illuminated EXIT sign above the door behind the drum kit. If someone asked me to setup in such a location, I would refuse to do the gig, and I would lose a customer over it if I had to. As far as I know it is totally illegal to block such an exit, and even if it seemed safe, any kind of inspector could jump on it. Am I right to think this way? |
| Tim Padrick wrote on Mon, 19 April 2010 03:37 |
Depends. Usually there are exit minimums, depending on the room capacity and the layout. If the minimums are met even with a particular exit blocked, you might meet code. Still not a good idea. |
| Gerry Seymour wrote on Mon, 19 April 2010 07:59 |
And I don't think the lighted sign is supposed to be on over a blocked exit. The whole point of the sign is for folks to be able to find the way out if the room starts to fill up with smoke or the other lights are out, etc. Pointing folks to a blocked exit is very bad mojo. |
There is a Exit about 5' infront of the speaker stack... and a few more around the building. The double doors leads to a Wrap around deck, which is ajoined by the other doors.
This venue is a place that no one that 15 or so locals hang out at (the band can pack a 500 person room 15 miles away, but can fill this 100 person venue).
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on April 19, 2010, 05:34:32 PM
| Steve Hurt wrote on Sun, 18 April 2010 22:25 |
Where on the floor are the 2 cans. Nice minimal footprint light rig, btw! |
They are sitting behind the speakers.
Here is a "profile" shot of the light set-up.
Post by: Jeff Wheeler on April 19, 2010, 06:16:17 PM
| Matt Vivlamore wrote on Mon, 19 April 2010 16:30 |
There is a Exit about 5' infront of the speaker stack... and a few more around the building. The double doors leads to a Wrap around deck, which is ajoined by the other doors. |
Yeah, but the illuminated EXIT sign is still there over an exit that is effectively blocked and obstructed by trip hazards, some of which are owned by you.
Post by: Lee Patzius on April 19, 2010, 09:35:09 PM
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Mon, 19 April 2010 18:16 | ||
Yeah, but the illuminated EXIT sign is still there over an exit that is effectively blocked and obstructed by trip hazards, some of which are owned by you. |
Dude... Get over it.
Post by: Tim Padrick on April 20, 2010, 02:01:14 AM
| Rick Stansby wrote on Mon, 19 April 2010 10:56 |
Nobody likes a smartass!
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on April 20, 2010, 10:08:22 PM
| Joe Brugnoni wrote on Mon, 19 April 2010 08:38 |
Great looking rig Matt!! I noticed that the monitor rack had all the connection at the top and the FOH rack looked like they are the bottom. Has one worked out better than the other? |
It doesn't make that much of a difference between the top Vs bottom for rack plates for me. I built the racks at different times.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on April 20, 2010, 10:11:58 PM
| Matt Vivlamore wrote on Tue, 20 April 2010 21:08 |
It doesn't make that much of a difference between the top Vs bottom for rack plates for me. I built the racks at different times. |
So, front or back? Preferences? Discussion?
Post by: Daniel Nickleski on April 20, 2010, 10:22:19 PM
| benjamin fisher wrote on Tue, 20 April 2010 21:11 | ||
So, front or back? Preferences? Discussion? |
All on the back with us. We do lots of outdoor festivals so we can put the front rack door on before we tarp for the night. Feel like the racks are better protected from the elements that way. Also it looks WAY cleaner to have no cables in front of the racks. When the show is done unpatch the back of the racks and roll them out of the way. Gives you more room to wrap up cables.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on April 20, 2010, 10:29:05 PM
| Daniel Nickleski wrote on Tue, 20 April 2010 21:22 | ||||
All on the back with us. We do lots of outdoor festivals so we can put the front rack door on before we tarp for the night. Feel like the racks are better protected from the elements that way. Also it looks WAY cleaner to have no cables in front of the racks. When the show is done unpatch the back of the racks and roll them out of the way. Gives you more room to wrap up cables. |
I agree on ease and cleanliness. Its how I planned to do it when I get around to making patch panels, I just saw a few people with them in front and found it interesting and wondered why
Post by: Steve Hurt on April 20, 2010, 10:37:47 PM
I can't remember the last show I was able to see my amps from FOH!
Not saying it's the right way for everyone by any means, just throwing out why someone might do it the other way.
Post by: Daniel Nickleski on April 20, 2010, 10:44:25 PM
| Steve Hurt wrote on Tue, 20 April 2010 21:37 |
I do a lot of tight stages and the back of the rack is hard to access at a show more often than not so I put my in/out panels on the front of my rack. I can't remember the last show I was able to see my amps from FOH! Not saying it's the right way for everyone by any means, just throwing out why someone might do it the other way. |
If you find it easier to have them in the front that is cool. I think the key is what works for you. We are on mostly portable stages so access to the back isn't much of an issue.
And I'm not saying you can see the racks from FOH, but you can see them while stand in front of them backstage. I like the clean look with no cable mess and I have even had a client or two comment on the clean look.
Post by: sndguy (Joel Ashcraft) on April 21, 2010, 01:13:38 AM
+1
Post by: sndguy (Joel Ashcraft) on April 21, 2010, 01:16:08 AM
Joel
Post by: Joe Brugnoni on April 21, 2010, 08:06:46 AM
That is why I opted to make mine all front access, I kept the panels at bottom bottome to try to keep the mess down and be able to hide excess under the rack if possible. It has worked ok so far.
Hey Matt, do you remember which rack you built first? I was wondering if that drove the decision to move down or up?
I am not picking on you at all, I am just very curious as I have seen both systems. Mine have always been at the bottom so I can hide cords and such under the bottom amp. The power distro in the racks always ends up so bulky, I try to put it low to minimize cord length out of the case and bends.
Like I said, I leave the backs on as it is one less cover to find and If I use "help" they cant get in the back and plug in wrong
Great comment Lee!!
Post by: Gene Hardage on April 21, 2010, 01:36:33 PM
At least the speakons are on the front even if you do have to dig aound back to plug the mics in. The lids are "guillotine" style and by far the quickest and easiest solution. They don't take up much room when you remove them and they are fine for poeple like me who do all my own work and never let gorillas near my junk.
Just grab the handles - tilt it back on the wheels and go.
Now - onward to another item that comes in handy for people like me who carry several guitars to every gig.
That's a standard Strat case with the guitar rack next to it.
Pull the guillotine cover off and it's ready to erect.
It's like the one I bought from Viking Cases years ago but I've modified it. It's now smaller - lighter - sturdier - and a little cheaper too.
Finally with a few geetarz...
Post by: Joe Brugnoni on April 21, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
Post by: Matt Vivlamore on April 21, 2010, 06:02:44 PM
| benjamin fisher wrote on Tue, 20 April 2010 22:11 | ||
So, front or back? Preferences? Discussion? |
I put all the panels in the front of the rack as most of the time the rack is pushed into a corner or up against the wall.
One of these, days I'm going to upgrade the 8sp to a 12sp and put some rack fans in the top to suck the air out and i would be able to leave the back door on (plus there is going to be 3 amps per rack).
Post by: Bill Burford on April 21, 2010, 06:14:26 PM
the only input I have is that I keep mine up by the board.
I've always wondered what the effect of having the 100 foot run before the driverack would be as opposed to having it after the drive rack--- other than any line-loss would be subtracted from the output as opposed to from the input.. I wonder what is better? probably at the stage. that figures.
Post by: Bill Burford on April 21, 2010, 06:20:21 PM
too many 4-channel single spacers in their.. a couple of 2 channel pieces.. a cheap furman.. even with the wire-ties, there are just cables everywhere. its only an 8 space yet its super heavy without a single amp in it.. or I'm just weak.
Post by: Bill Burford on April 21, 2010, 06:25:31 PM
I mix on an allen & heath wz3 16 channel. it doesn't look impressive.
one of my amp racks looks ok with the XTi's in it.. but then, I don't want to post pics because it just announces I use XTi's for subs.
They really worked really well when new but I think the heat from the current is slow-cooking the output circuits and they are getting a little "tamer"..
I WISH I had an ITech.
your gear looks pretty sweet. I'd hire you.
Post by: Daniel Nickleski on April 21, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
| Bill Burford wrote on Wed, 21 April 2010 17:14 |
I see a lot of situations where people keep their driverack / speaker management system close to the stage and amps.. the only input I have is that I keep mine up by the board. I've always wondered what the effect of having the 100 foot run before the driverack would be as opposed to having it after the drive rack--- other than any line-loss would be subtracted from the output as opposed to from the input.. I wonder what is better? probably at the stage. that figures. |
There is no actual difference between the two in terms of audio. The main reason we keep out DSP in the amp racks is because we have different FOH and Speaker setups so the DSP travels with it's amp/ speaker setup. Plus when we are running a digital FOH we don't need racks out front. Hope that makes sense.
Post by: Jake Scudder on April 22, 2010, 01:13:12 AM
| Bill Burford wrote on Wed, 21 April 2010 18:20 |
Yeah, the back of my board rack is too much of a birds-nest to show on this site. I'd be embarrassed. too many 4-channel single spacers in their.. a couple of 2 channel pieces.. a cheap furman.. even with the wire-ties, there are just cables everywhere. its only an 8 space yet its super heavy without a single amp in it.. or I'm just weak. |
Sometimes even with proper mults and cable management there still isn't much you can do. Maybe this will make you feel better. Plus it's something a little out of the ordinary for most of the rock and roll guys to look at.
The other side is a little cleaner.
Post by: Bill Burford on April 22, 2010, 10:28:14 AM
ha ha..
if you saw mine.. you'd laugh.. maybe I'll take some pics today.
one rack looks ok.. the other one... yikes.
its a small rig.. lower lower end of medium at best.
Post by: Gerry Seymour on April 23, 2010, 08:52:15 AM
| Bill Burford wrote on Thu, 22 April 2010 09:28 |
that looks BEAUTIFUL compared to mine.. ha ha.. if you saw mine.. you'd laugh.. maybe I'll take some pics today. one rack looks ok.. the other one... yikes. its a small rig.. lower lower end of medium at best. |
Don't worry, Bill. I've promised to post pics of my rig. Yours will look expensive, sleek, and well-organized by comparison.
Post by: Stephen Snipes on April 23, 2010, 10:09:44 AM
a bunch of wireless mics and multiple DJs plugged up.
Post by: Jordan Wolf on April 23, 2010, 04:32:40 PM
| Stephen Snipes wrote on Fri, 23 April 2010 10:09 |
nothing like you guys but it makes my life easier when I have a bunch of wireless mics and multiple DJs plugged up. |
Hey, it's a start! Keep on improving from there and upgrade as you can. It's how you use what you have that makes you a "good" engineer or not.
Post by: Cody Hazelwood on April 24, 2010, 06:59:25 PM
I keep my Rane G4 Gates and Alto compressors in a separate smaller rack that I can travel with when needed.
Post by: Simon Ryder on April 24, 2010, 08:27:19 PM
Post by: Simon Ryder on April 24, 2010, 08:28:15 PM
Post by: Jake Scudder on April 24, 2010, 08:33:45 PM
| Simon Ryder wrote on Sat, 24 April 2010 20:27 |
That looks seriously like an M3000 in your Lounge rack Evan. It's a little "big league" isn't it? |
While certainly capable of "big league" performance I've never thought the M3000 to be terribly cost prohibitive for a lounge rig. Then again, I don't have to buy the stuff, I just spin the knobs.
Post by: Jeff Baumgartner on April 24, 2010, 10:12:39 PM
77 if you want to be precise.
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on April 25, 2010, 12:41:33 AM
| Simon Ryder wrote on Sat, 24 April 2010 20:27 |
That looks seriously like an M3000 in your Lounge rack Evan. It's a little "big league" isn't it? |
I like my toys.
TC D2
TC M3000
Midas DCX2496 monitor DSP (recently removed)
dbx 1066
BSS DPR504 (recently added)
BSS DPR404
Evan
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 25, 2010, 02:53:59 AM
| Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sat, 24 April 2010 23:41 | ||
I like my toys. TC D2 TC M3000 Midas DCX2496 monitor DSP (recently removed) dbx 1066 BSS DPR504 (recently added) BSS DPR404 Evan |
Stop it, you're killin' me!
Post by: Gerry Seymour on April 26, 2010, 09:54:33 PM
OK, I promised to make some others feel good about their racks by showing mine.
My FOH rack and table. There are 3 more computers (two Dell laptops and an HP netbook) that go on that table, too. It gets crowded. A second table is added to the right, and that's where the playback laptop goes.
A better view of the front of the FOH rack. Yes, those are E-machines computers mounted into my FOH rack. They add a certain something, don't you think? I think they go nicely with the "boutique shelf" I installed. Much this customization is temporary, but it gets the job done for now. Some paint is in order, though.
[/URL]The mixer and topside spaghetti. Still a bit of neatening to do on Wednesday.
The back of FOH rack. Almost as pretty as the front.
The amp/wireless rack. Need to put some blanks in to fill the empty slots. The receiver on top is for our backup lav. It's not rackable, so it stows in back for transit.
Speaking of "in back", the small opening through which I have to grope for connections. I'll be leaving the cables connected wherever possible, and simply stow them in this rack for transit.
Okay, I hope everyone has enjoyed this tour. Hopefully the next time I have to post some pics, you'll see something a bit more professional, in both appearance and function.
Post by: Mike McNany on April 27, 2010, 11:20:36 AM
Post by: Mike McNany on April 27, 2010, 11:25:07 AM
Post by: Mike McNany on April 27, 2010, 11:30:54 AM
Mike McNany
Post by: Mike McNany on April 27, 2010, 11:37:46 AM
Below that is the back of the monitor amp/power rack showing an I/O panel setup for 4 monitor mixes although only 2 are being used.
Mike McNany
Post by: Dave Bourn on May 02, 2010, 09:41:10 AM
Post by: Robert Weston on May 02, 2010, 08:56:39 PM
Here's what's used for bars/festivals/events/etc... A Yamaha board with the usual outboards. The Behringer EQ's are used to help with EQ's on channels (via inserts) as needed.
This is driving a QSC PLX amp rack.
Post by: Jeff Wheeler on May 03, 2010, 12:58:42 AM
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Post by: Jeff Wheeler on June 16, 2010, 10:56:45 PM
Post by: Mike McNany on June 17, 2010, 10:34:45 AM
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Wed, 16 June 2010 22:56 |
I bet it's for his backup mixer. Nothing wrong with that! |
Except 15.4# (just looked it up) of otherwise dead weight in that rack. Fine if he decided he needs to work out more
Me, I'd just rack it in when needed or better yet, put it in it's own little case.Mike McNany
Post by: Dave Bigelow on June 17, 2010, 12:42:31 PM
One of the racks I use at home
Power conditioner
DN360
DBX 166 that usually goes in bypass since I don't compress mains but others in the company do
Older Roland reverb
TC Dtwo
REV500
SPX90 or 90II, I;d have to go in the warehouse and unpack a truck to look
Ancient Yamaha delay unit (D1500)
8 channels of B comps
8 channels of B gates
an honest to goodness CD player
If I have time to take better pics of some of the other racks today I will.
Post by: Jake Scudder on June 17, 2010, 02:40:45 PM
Top to bottom:
Littlite
Courtesy outlets
Sliding shelf for phone, iPod, Power Mute (bonus points for whomever guesses what that's for)
9pr panel so I can inject signal from FOH
(2) 3U drawers
(2) 4U drawers
Post by: Eric Simna on June 17, 2010, 03:03:19 PM
| Jake Scudder wrote on Thu, 17 June 2010 14:40 |
Power Mute (bonus points for whomever guesses what that's for) |
Talkback to Mon World?
Post by: Jake Scudder on June 17, 2010, 03:21:06 PM
| Eric Simna wrote on Thu, 17 June 2010 15:03 | ||
Talkback to Mon World? |
No. In fact, it is not muting audio at all.
Post by: Tim Weaver on June 17, 2010, 08:33:32 PM
And BTW, how friggin tall are you that you needed 2 20sp racks for a console stand!
I'm 6'4" and that would be a little too tall for me. I use a 12/20 space for my 01v and it's just right, but it's also racked so that it sits flush with the top of the rack. I wouldn't want it any taller.
Post by: Jake Scudder on June 18, 2010, 02:35:18 PM
| Tim Weaver wrote on Thu, 17 June 2010 20:33 |
Tap sync for delays? And BTW, how friggin tall are you that you needed 2 20sp racks for a console stand! I'm 6'4" and that would be a little too tall for me. I use a 12/20 space for my 01v and it's just right, but it's also racked so that it sits flush with the top of the rack. I wouldn't want it any taller. |
I'm 6'3". Keep in mind these are rack inserts only. Pulled out of their ATA style surrounds. 18U is my preference but the shop only had shallow 18U inserts when we did the build so I went with 20. Most people wouldn't like it but it saves me a bunch of tendonitis.
Post by: Jake Scudder on June 18, 2010, 02:41:18 PM
The midi connections are all in a booth so an actual midi mute isn't practical. Instead, we just adapted a standard 5 pin midi cable to XLR, circuited that through two of my dry lines (the 9 pair panel), and used the Power Mute.
Post by: Phil Lewandowski on June 18, 2010, 05:00:58 PM
Take Care,
Phil
Post by: Mike McNany on June 19, 2010, 09:27:43 AM
Two questions.
What did you use for your I/O Panel labeling? Looks great, almost etched?
What's with both the BBE DSP and the U15 Processor?
Mike McNany
Post by: John Halliburton on June 19, 2010, 10:03:32 AM
| Mike McNany wrote on Sat, 19 June 2010 08:27 |
Phil, Two questions. What did you use for your I/O Panel labeling? Looks great, almost etched? What's with both the BBE DSP and the U15 Processor? Mike McNany |
One of these or similar, using black tape that produces white lettering:
http://www.amazon.com/Brother-PT-1880-Advanced-Deluxe-Labele r/dp/B000JVHH9W
I use one to wrap labels around mics, mic cables, stands, etc., and sometimes use clear shrink wrap over that, but IIR, Brother is making some heavier duty label tape stock now too. Comes in 3-4 widths as well as white and clear.
Best regards,
John
Post by: Phil Lewandowski on June 19, 2010, 01:04:41 PM
| Mike McNany wrote on Sat, 19 June 2010 09:27 |
Phil, Two questions. What did you use for your I/O Panel labeling? Looks great, almost etched? What's with both the BBE DSP and the U15 Processor? Mike McNany |
Hey Mike,
Yes, John is correct I got a version of a Brother labeler that supported white on clear labeling.
Pretty much, the U15 processor just alone isn't powerful enough for what I am doing. The U15 does have a specific EQ, but of course I probably could have measured it with Smaart and then matched it pretty close even with a value DSP like the BBE DS.
But the big reason for the Unity processor is bi-amping the U15s. It is much easier to bi-amp them with it since it is made specifically for that. The inputs of the rack go to the DSP. The L-R high outs of the DSP go to the Unity processor.
That is actually the next thing to pick up; a PLX3002 for the horn.
Take Care!
Phil
Post by: Brad Gibson on June 20, 2010, 02:02:05 PM
Post by: Joe Brugnoni on June 20, 2010, 05:18:53 PM
Phil I love the fact that you painted the outlet boxes!!!
Post by: Phil Lewandowski on June 20, 2010, 08:04:25 PM
| Joe Brugnoni wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 17:18 |
WOW very nice!! Phil I love the fact that you painted the outlet boxes!!! |
Thanks Joe
I knew I needed some way to easily power the amps while not going as far as a mounted distro. Plus I wanted to be able to split them up onto 2 circuits.
It just kinda worked well out of dumb luck because the EWI rack I had had a bolt at that perfect height on each side that could be unscrewed and then be used to bolt each quad to each side.
Thanks,
Phil
Post by: Jared Chrysostom on June 20, 2010, 08:17:44 PM
Post by: devin Basile on June 20, 2010, 09:00:56 PM
Post by: Bill Burford on June 21, 2010, 11:31:59 AM
Post by: Jared Chrysostom on June 21, 2010, 12:05:52 PM
| Bill Burford wrote on Mon, 21 June 2010 11:31 |
That looks awesome. I'd love to hear all those GX amps running. I've got a GX3 I use to power two small Yamahas all the time. I love it. Man, thats a lot of GX5's. I'm super curious how you use them. |
The 2 in the 4-space rack are for 4 monitor mixes, pushing 4-5 CM12V's. The one in the rack with the PLX3102 and the connection panel is for the mains, the PLX runs a pair of SRX718's. If I need a bigger amp for mains I'll pull the GX5 and replace it with a PLX3602... But that hasn't happened yet. Great amps.
Post by: Chris Blust on June 27, 2010, 09:10:42 AM
FOH is all the way to the left. Monitors are in the middle.
I set this up to run a pair of UPA's per side in stereo over a 1ea 650 sub per side. And four independent UM-1C monitor mixes. I've been doing mostly Acoustic gigs as of late so I am going to reorganize what I need into one rack.
Post by: Hasse Queisser on June 27, 2010, 11:19:53 AM
| Joe Brugnoni wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 23:18 |
WOW very nice!! Phil I love the fact that you painted the outlet boxes!!! |
The post you replied to was not Phil's, it was Brad's. Could people please reply to the right post. I spent about 5 min looking for painted boxes on Brad's pic before I realised there weren't any...
Post by: Hasse Queisser on June 27, 2010, 11:26:41 AM
| Bill Burford wrote on Mon, 21 June 2010 17:31 |
That looks awesome. I'd love to hear all those GX amps running. I've got a GX3 I use to power two small Yamahas all the time. I love it. Man, thats a lot of GX5's. I'm super curious how you use them. |
There isn't a single GX3 amp in the picture in the post you replied to. Why can't people just reply to the right post?
Post by: Jared Chrysostom on June 27, 2010, 11:49:12 AM
| Hasse Queisser wrote on Sun, 27 June 2010 11:26 | ||
There isn't a single GX3 amp in the picture in the post you replied to. Why can't people just reply to the right post? |
He never said there was a GX3 in my pic. He said he has a GX3, and that I have a bunch of GX5's.
Post by: Hasse Queisser on June 27, 2010, 12:01:14 PM
| Jared Chrysostom wrote on Sun, 27 June 2010 17:49 | ||||
He never said there was a GX3 in my pic. He said he has a GX3, and that I have a bunch of GX5's. |
OK. Let me rephrase that. There isn't a single GX amp in the pic he replied to, only PLX2 amps.
Post by: devin Basile on June 27, 2010, 03:15:02 PM
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 27, 2010, 03:52:00 PM
| devin Basile wrote on Sun, 27 June 2010 14:15 |
he was referring to an earlier posted picture. doesn't really take that much to figure it out if you are following the topic or if you have common scene but lets not assume anything either. |
Actually the issue is sloppy reply posts from FLAT VIEW users who simply post replies at the bottom.
Flat view for index, tree view for the topics. It works more the threaded discussions on UseNet.
Have fun, good luck.
Tim Mc
Post by: Jake Scudder on June 27, 2010, 07:36:22 PM
| Jared Chrysostom wrote on Sun, 20 June 2010 20:17 |
I'll challenge anyone to an OCD rack-wiring battle. |
OK.
Post by: Patrick Campbell on June 28, 2010, 12:23:08 PM
Beats the 4 wedges and 250 lb Crown CT-1600 rack with Eq's
Post by: Thom "Fig" Fiegle on June 28, 2010, 12:46:15 PM
Post by: Jared Chrysostom on June 28, 2010, 02:26:09 PM
The zip-tying of cable bundles is a lost art.
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 28, 2010, 02:44:59 PM
| Jared Chrysostom wrote on Mon, 28 June 2010 13:26 |
Jake, you and I would get along just fine. The zip-tying of cable bundles is a lost art. |
Zip ties are still "nearly this century." The lost art is the application of lacing cord.
Post by: Jake Scudder on June 28, 2010, 03:22:23 PM
| Tim McCulloch wrote on Mon, 28 June 2010 14:44 | ||
Zip ties are still "nearly this century." The lost art is the application of lacing cord. |
True enough. But I'd feel really bad about cutting up someone's hard work when something breaks. Zip ties are much easier to replace.
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Further thoughts: The pictured rack was built for the current Broadway run of "Fences" starring Denzel Washington. It is the Mult Distro (hub for all i/o) and EQ Rack (2x Galileo plus a spare) all in one. These are usually two separate racks so space was a little tight with all of the copper. It had to be condensed to a single rack because ampland was being installed up on a jump in a very small space.
I only did the show build so it was imperative that the production crew be able to look at the back of that rack and have it just "make sense". Inevitably something will be rerouted or added once on site so neatness and labeling are crucial.
Post by: Geoff Doane on June 28, 2010, 08:36:37 PM
| Jake Scudder wrote on Mon, 28 June 2010 16:22 |
True enough. But I'd feel really bad about cutting up someone's hard work when something breaks. Zip ties are much easier to replace. |
The trouble with zip ties (or ty-raps) is that they tend to cut up your hands when you're working inside the rack. No such problems with lacing twine.
This isn't my work, and when this picture was taken, it was still a work in progress. Once all the wires are added, the releasable ty-raps will be removed, and more lacing twine added.
Whether using ty-raps or lacing twine, wire bundles can be a work of art.
GTD
Post by: Dan Brown on June 28, 2010, 10:56:56 PM
| Patrick Campbell wrote on Mon, 28 June 2010 11:23 |
New monitor amp rack Beats the 4 wedges and 250 lb Crown CT-1600 rack with Eq's |
Patrick,
That looks like an antenna splitter instead of a combiner in that rack?
The Sennheiser IEM combiners have a air vent in the front
hmmmmm
db
Post by: Tim Woodworth on June 29, 2010, 06:12:03 PM
Post by: Tim Woodworth on June 29, 2010, 06:23:57 PM
Post by: Tim Padrick on June 29, 2010, 08:25:41 PM
| Tim Woodworth wrote on Tue, 29 June 2010 17:12 |
These are our EV TG-7 amp racks for our XLC rig. |
Who's the maker of those racks?
Post by: Tim Woodworth on June 30, 2010, 12:19:06 PM
http://www.rrcases.com/rackesp.htm
Post by: Chad Griswold on July 01, 2010, 02:03:36 AM
Post by: devin Basile on July 01, 2010, 03:52:26 PM
Post by: Scott Smith on July 01, 2010, 05:12:24 PM
Post by: Chad Griswold on July 01, 2010, 07:48:49 PM
If you're me you draw it up in Stardraw and send it to Whirlwind to have it made...that's where the ones in the pics came from and tey turned out great! I have used other custom panel shops for a couple of other projects that did almost the same thing and they just didn't come out quite as nice so I'm willing to pay the little extra $$ to have them done right!
Post by: Wali Raffiqi on July 02, 2010, 12:05:21 AM
If you don't mind me asking, where did you get those split AC cords from?
Thanks.
Post by: Seth Hochberg on July 02, 2010, 12:41:42 AM
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/YIE406/
(BTW, you might want to append your full family name to your handle - not sure that just initials are OK with the board rules).
Best regards,
-Seth
Post by: Wali Raffiqi on July 02, 2010, 08:59:08 AM
And thanks for the name hint as well. This is the first board i've ever been on that requires your actual full name!
Post by: Dave Rickard on July 04, 2010, 12:57:37 AM
| Wali Raffiqi wrote on Fri, 02 July 2010 06:59 |
This is the first board i've ever been on that requires your actual full name! |
It helps keep the place sane.
Those are Hosa AC cables.
Post by: Jared Chrysostom on July 04, 2010, 01:04:58 AM
Hosa also makes a NEMA 5-15 to IEC C13 adapter. If you're running a single amp, or powered speaker, whatever... You plug the little adapter into an appropriate length of extension cord, and bam, it's an IEC power cable. Awesome.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Live-Wire-IEC-F--3-Prong-M--Powe r-Adapter-765449-i1166804.gc
Post by: Dave Rickard on July 04, 2010, 01:52:49 AM
| Jared Chrysostom wrote on Sat, 03 July 2010 23:04 |
Hosa also makes a NEMA 5-15 to IEC C13 adapter. If you're running a single amp, or powered speaker, whatever... You plug the little adapter into an appropriate length of extension cord, and bam, it's an IEC power cable. Awesome. |
You plug any IEC cable into an appropriate length of extension cord, and bam, it's an IEC power cable. The adapter plus an Edison receptacle will stick out pretty far from the gear and be more vulnerable.
I prefer short TRS-XLR cables over adapters for the same reason.
Just sayin'
Post by: cecil abrego on July 04, 2010, 02:16:51 AM
Post by: Jordan Wolf on July 04, 2010, 02:45:23 AM
Post by: Wali Raffiqi on July 04, 2010, 09:50:16 AM
Post by: Jared Chrysostom on July 04, 2010, 10:52:00 AM
| Dave Rickard wrote on Sun, 04 July 2010 01:52 | ||
You plug any IEC cable into an appropriate length of extension cord, and bam, it's an IEC power cable. The adapter plus an Edison receptacle will stick out pretty far from the gear and be more vulnerable. I prefer short TRS-XLR cables over adapters for the same reason. Just sayin' |
My OCD goes the other way. I don't mind the extra length sticking out of the back, because the cable is all nice and uniform.
Post by: Dave Bigelow on July 11, 2010, 11:44:09 AM
SDE 1000 (the old)
D-Two (the new)
160
4 channels of B* comps
8 channels of b* gates
Just gimmie a 'verb or two and a FOH EQ.
Post by: Deke Lockrem on July 11, 2010, 12:30:47 PM
The second pic shows what the back of the rack used to look like. I got tired of all the excess cable. I had those 4 plugged into a quad that just used to sit in the bottom of the case.
The third pic shows the new shorter IEC cables and I mounted the quad with some brackets that I got from an electrician buddy of mine.....alot cleaner look.
Post by: Deke Lockrem on July 11, 2010, 12:31:54 PM
Post by: Deke Lockrem on July 11, 2010, 12:33:22 PM
Post by: Pete Sams on July 11, 2010, 03:29:30 PM
Post by: Dave Bigelow on July 12, 2010, 12:52:34 AM
Probably has more to do with the fact that they are loaded down to the point where the back panel is full of NL8s for tops and NL4s for subs and a ton of fans plus the twist locks for power though.
Post by: Pete Sams on July 12, 2010, 03:40:13 AM
Post by: Dave Bigelow on July 12, 2010, 11:52:37 AM
| Pete Sams wrote on Mon, 12 July 2010 03:40 |
I'm more interested in mounting a snake box to some rack rails. It'll be tricky for sure but with the right parts not so bad. |
Here ya go
http://www.radialeng.com/rcs/snakes_v12.htm
Post by: Deke Lockrem on July 12, 2010, 12:25:51 PM
| Pete Sams wrote on Sun, 11 July 2010 14:29 |
Where did you get the rack kit for the edison box? I need something like that for a snake box to rack mount it. I'd like to inset it into the rack a little to make more room for the lid. |
Im not sure what they are called, but I would check some of the electrical supply stores in your area. I know that they are used for mounting all types of elec boxes in stud walls. The brackets have two seperate parts that slide into one another so that they are adjustable for different stud spacing. The tabs you see on the sides actually fold down flat, so you can adjust them as well.
Post by: Henning Fjeld on September 23, 2010, 03:06:19 PM
I tried to find the smallest rack possible. Only problem is that I have to connect and disconnect the ADAT cables and powercable on the 01v96 because it is REALLY thight..
I also have modified my ADA8000 so it`s inputs and outputs are on the backside patchpanel.
I made a powerbox today so I only need one powercable to power the whole rack.
Post by: Patrick Campbell on September 27, 2010, 12:55:07 PM
Post by: Patrick Campbell on September 27, 2010, 12:56:24 PM
Post by: Patrick Campbell on September 27, 2010, 12:57:08 PM
Post by: Phil Ouellette on September 29, 2010, 10:17:06 PM
| Geoff Doane wrote on Mon, 28 June 2010 20:36 | ||
The trouble with zip ties (or ty-raps) is that they tend to cut up your hands when you're working inside the rack. No such problems with lacing twine. |
Not if your using one of these.
Controlled tension and the cut end is retracted below the surface of the pawls (no cutting up your hand).
Anybody who would trim a nylon wire tie with a diagonal cutter needs to find another job.