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Title: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 05, 2014, 05:43:59 PM
Working an a big 15 band/act music show (one-off). I have 18 snapshots already setup from previous rehearsals. I'm adding an audio feed from the video system tonight. I don't want to add it to my snapshots by firing them all, adding phantom and updating. I went to the channel input section and hit all the normal channel safes - but the one thing that isn't "safe" seems to be my phantom power. Global scope "input device" will safe it, but I want to keep my input device info on other channels.

How can I input device safe just one headamp? It's on local IO. I will have a few minutes in a but where I can fire all the snapshots and update to include that phantom power, if that's what I need to do... But can I really not safe phantom power on just one pre? I haven't worked with the snapshot system to much. Any tips would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Chris Johnson [UK] on April 05, 2014, 06:08:25 PM
Hi Sam,

You can do this in the recall scope of the snapshots.

Simply go to the snapshot list. Press 'Edit Range'. Select all snapshots. Go to Scope > Recall Scope. Un-scope the relevant inputs. Press 'Confirm' in the 'Edit Range' control popup.

Job done! :-)
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 06, 2014, 04:38:29 PM

Hi Sam,

You can do this in the recall scope of the snapshots.

Simply go to the snapshot list. Press 'Edit Range'. Select all snapshots. Go to Scope > Recall Scope. Un-scope the relevant inputs. Press 'Confirm' in the 'Edit Range' control popup.

Job done! :-)

Thanks Chris! Never done that before. Just getting acquainted with the snapshot system and I had a very good show.
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Chris Johnson [UK] on April 06, 2014, 04:54:21 PM
Good to hear.

The Digico snapshot system is almost certainly the most powerful in the Live sector. Possibly the most powerful across all sectors.
However, it isn't necessarily as user friendly as it could be.

As with all things though, once you've climbed the learning curve, it's all good!

I moved to mainly Digico consoles from Avid profiles and the snapshot system was one of the biggest operational differences.

I still maintain that the Avid system strikes the best balance for most users. Its got ~80% of the power of the Digico system, but I can program complicated shows more quickly.
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Steve Bunting on April 06, 2014, 05:40:48 PM
The other way to do it is to enable the phantom power in all snapshots in one go without changing the scope.

Select 'Edit Range' and select all snapshots as before. Then turn phantom power on on the channels you want (or cycle it off/on if it's already on) and then confirm the edit.

Hi Sam,

You can do this in the recall scope of the snapshots.

Simply go to the snapshot list. Press 'Edit Range'. Select all snapshots. Go to Scope > Recall Scope. Un-scope the relevant inputs. Press 'Confirm' in the 'Edit Range' control popup.

Job done! :-)
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 06, 2014, 07:13:44 PM

Good to hear.

The Digico snapshot system is almost certainly the most powerful in the Live sector. Possibly the most powerful across all sectors.
However, it isn't necessarily as user friendly as it could be.

As with all things though, once you've climbed the learning curve, it's all good!

I moved to mainly Digico consoles from Avid profiles and the snapshot system was one of the biggest operational differences.

I still maintain that the Avid system strikes the best balance for most users. Its got ~80% of the power of the Digico system, but I can program complicated shows more quickly.

It functioned very well for me that night. We had 18 acts, from bands to vocalists with tracks, running all night with judge panels speaking in between. I was able to safe all my judge and MC inputs, so I'd run the act, fire the next snap which would bring up all the right processing and channels but muted. I'd unmute the judges and MC and while they talked and open the artist channels as they cleared them to me via com. Thanks again! I'll definitely be trying to dig into the system more in the future.
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 07, 2014, 01:59:37 AM

The other way to do it is to enable the phantom power in all snapshots in one go without changing the scope.

Select 'Edit Range' and select all snapshots as before. Then turn phantom power on on the channels you want (or cycle it off/on if it's already on) and then confirm the edit.

Sorry, I don't follow. Snapshot noob here. If I select all the snapshots and hit "update selected", won't that push all scoped parameters to those snapshots, basically writing the one I have loaded to everything? Are you saying you can do something like write or propagate changes?
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Steve Bunting on April 08, 2014, 08:53:47 PM
Sorry, I don't follow. Snapshot noob here. If I select all the snapshots and hit "update selected", won't that push all scoped parameters to those snapshots, basically writing the one I have loaded to everything? Are you saying you can do something like write or propagate changes?

If you select all snapshots and select 'update selected', it will write the current console settings (all of those which are stored in snapshots) to every snapshot.

I am talking about using the 'Edit Range' function. This lets you select a number of snapshots, make some edits, and it will write only the edits you have made to the snapshot(s) you have selected.
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 08, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
Oh wow. Lots to get into in the Digico snapshot feature. Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on April 09, 2014, 01:07:04 AM
If you select all snapshots and select 'update selected', it will write the current console settings (all of those which are stored in snapshots) to every snapshot.
I've never understood why this is even possible on the DiGiCo consoles. In what scenario would you ever want to overwrite all (or multiple) snapshots with the current state of the console? The current snapshot, sure! But somebody please give me an example of what situation would call for a bunch of snapshots to be overwritten with the same settings. What's even crazier about this "feature" is that there's no undo if you accidentally have the wrong snapshot selected and hit "update selected".
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 09, 2014, 01:49:57 AM
As long as we are on the subject - other snapshot questions...

The little LCD screen that shows the snapshot status on the SD8 is nice. Always made me feel better about hitting "next", even if just in  in my head. I miss it on the SD9. I have macro keys to bring up the FX rack, solo busses, and other things but I couldn't find a macro parameter to bring up the snapshot list. Seems like I have to tap the tab on the master screen. Did I miss it? Any tips for snapshot management on the SD9 specifically?
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Chris Johnson [UK] on April 09, 2014, 03:07:53 AM
What you need, is an overview screen.

Grab you're favorite cheap 17" LCD monitor, and hook it up to the overview screen output.

Now you can have your snapshot list and snapshot notes up here all the time. Along with meters and other useful info
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Steve Bunting on April 09, 2014, 12:18:38 PM
I've never understood why this is even possible on the DiGiCo consoles. In what scenario would you ever want to overwrite all (or multiple) snapshots with the current state of the console? The current snapshot, sure! But somebody please give me an example of what situation would call for a bunch of snapshots to be overwritten with the same settings. What's even crazier about this "feature" is that there's no undo if you accidentally have the wrong snapshot selected and hit "update selected".

On second thoughts, is this actually possible? Is it possible to select more than one snapshot when not in 'Edit Range' or 'Delete' mode?

As long as we are on the subject - other snapshot questions...

The little LCD screen that shows the snapshot status on the SD8 is nice. Always made me feel better about hitting "next", even if just in  in my head. I miss it on the SD9. I have macro keys to bring up the FX rack, solo busses, and other things but I couldn't find a macro parameter to bring up the snapshot list. Seems like I have to tap the tab on the master screen. Did I miss it? Any tips for snapshot management on the SD9 specifically?

You should be able to make a macro for this. The easiest way is to 'capture' it. Otherwise, you can add a 'Layout>Switch screen>Master' command, followed by a 'Snapshots panel>Snapshots panel>On' command. But the best way with the single screen consoles is to use an overview screen if possible.
Title: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 09, 2014, 01:03:59 PM
Ah, excellent. I've got just the thing laying around! Thanks so much guys. Really helpful.

Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on April 09, 2014, 01:44:41 PM
On second thoughts, is this actually possible? Is it possible to select more than one snapshot when not in 'Edit Range' or 'Delete' mode?
My mistake. You are correct, you can only select one snapshot, but updating a snapshot that is not the current snapshot is still pretty dangerous since there's no undo if you hit that accidentally. It's a function that you should be able to disable for safety reasons.
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Samuel Rees on April 09, 2014, 03:17:42 PM

You should be able to make a macro for this. The easiest way is to 'capture' it. Otherwise, you can add a 'Layout>Switch screen>Master' command, followed by a 'Snapshots panel>Snapshots panel>On' command. But the best way with the single screen consoles is to use an overview screen if possible.

I should include that master screen move in my solo and FX macros! That's excellent. Somehow the "snapshots panel" parameter eluded me. But the overview screen will work a lot of this out.
Title: Re: Digico SD9 individual headamp snapshot safe?
Post by: Chris Johnson [UK] on April 10, 2014, 04:16:02 AM
My mistake. You are correct, you can only select one snapshot, but updating a snapshot that is not the current snapshot is still pretty dangerous since there's no undo if you hit that accidentally. It's a function that you should be able to disable for safety reasons.

This is a good point, and one of the reasons I think the Avid system is vastly underrated. The History section of the Files tab is a godsend.