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Title: small line array
Post by: Tamar Ghobria on April 19, 2021, 04:24:14 pm
Was looking to build a small line array...something comparable to an rcf hdl6a....but they are backordered for two months.......Is there anything else out there that is similar in size and output?
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Bob Faulkner on April 19, 2021, 06:15:19 pm
Without knowing what type of events you plan on doing, I think the RCF HDL-10A would be a better option.  Also, take a look at dbTechnologies.   They may have other options for you.
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Don T. Williams on April 19, 2021, 07:09:15 pm
DB Technologies is a sister company of RCF and offers similar (not identical) products.  EAW has some smaller offereings in their Radius RSX and KF series, as does D.A.S.  The Presonus CDL12P is an interesting constant curve array, and many companies offer smaller line source "column" type systems that can work well in smaller venues. There are more, but remember for smaller venues (and many venues of all sizes) a "line array" may be a poor choice.  If you don't have taller ceilings to "fly" the array and don't have an array length that approaches 8 to 10 feet of length, you should look at other options.  A four foot long "line array" really will not produce the line source effect that line arrays should emulate, and are far more expensive that very good point source systems.
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Doug Fowler on April 19, 2021, 11:23:36 pm
Was looking to build a small line array...something comparable to an rcf hdl6a....but they are backordered for two months.......Is there anything else out there that is similar in size and output?

What is your budget?
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Tamar Ghobria on April 20, 2021, 07:23:52 am
What is your budget?


Around 15k....needs to be powered not passive....lightweight...RCF HDL6 fits my needs but is back ordered..
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Tamar Ghobria on April 20, 2021, 07:24:23 am
Without knowing what type of events you plan on doing, I think the RCF HDL-10A would be a better option.  Also, take a look at dbTechnologies.   They may have other options for you.

Mostly mobile dj events....some corporate public speaking also
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Tamar Ghobria on April 20, 2021, 07:25:33 am
DB Technologies is a sister company of RCF and offers similar (not identical) products.  EAW has some smaller offereings in their Radius RSX and KF series, as does D.A.S.  The Presonus CDL12P is an interesting constant curve array, and many companies offer smaller line source "column" type systems that can work well in smaller venues. There are more, but remember for smaller venues (and many venues of all sizes) a "line array" may be a poor choice.  If you don't have taller ceilings to "fly" the array and don't have an array length that approaches 8 to 10 feet of length, you should look at other options.  A four foot long "line array" really will not produce the line source effect that line arrays should emulate, and are far more expensive that very good point source systems.

Line array probably is not needed but clients ask for it and I am losing too many jobs because I don't own one...needs to be a lightweight powered system...RCF HDL6 works but backordered for 6 weeks
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: MikeHarris on April 20, 2021, 07:48:52 am
where are you.
how many did you need to start
i may have a secret source
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Tamar Ghobria on April 20, 2021, 08:04:26 am
where are you.
how many did you need to start
i may have a secret source

Long Island New York...please message me
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Doug Fowler on April 20, 2021, 03:17:34 pm
Line array probably is not needed but clients ask for it and I am losing too many jobs because I don't own one...needs to be a lightweight powered system...RCF HDL6 works but backordered for 6 weeks

Clients asking is the best reason.  Depending on audience size you can get away with 4 tops and as many subs as you need.   EDM playback is much more forgiving than live in that way.

What do you have for subs?
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Tamar Ghobria on April 20, 2021, 05:22:58 pm
Clients asking is the best reason.  Depending on audience size you can get away with 4 tops and as many subs as you need.   EDM playback is much more forgiving than live in that way.

What do you have for subs?


I am putting together an entire system
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Doug Fowler on April 20, 2021, 05:53:38 pm

I am putting together an entire system

That means nothing. 

What is your budget?
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Don T. Williams on April 20, 2021, 06:26:11 pm
I like the RCF HDL6's a lot!  Four per side do not a line array make from a physics and accoustical stand point, but that really doesn't matter!  Your clients listen "with their eyes" and not with their ears so give them what they want.  FBT is another company that makes a similar small line array system, but is probably pricier than RCF.  The D.A.S. Eventer 26A is very similar in size and price, but I have not comparied the two systems.  I have installed a couple of HDL6 arrays and they work and sound very good, but both were much larger than 4 box arrays.  Full disclosure - I am a dealer for all three brands but I do not sell mail order.  I'm not trying to make a sale, I'm just trying to help you with your issue.  Good luck.
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Steve-White on April 20, 2021, 07:17:19 pm
Line array probably is not needed but clients ask for it and I am losing too many jobs because I don't own one...needs to be a lightweight powered system...RCF HDL6 works but backordered for 6 weeks

I'd find an alternative solution for 6 weeks and then get what you want.  I picked up JBL VT4886's and went with the passive version.  Light weight, easy to handle and scaleable.

The RCF's you're looking at are lighter than the JBL's.  I bought them all used, may end up replacing a diaphragm or two and maybe a couple of drivers, but paid less than $0.50 on the dollar compared to new stuff.  For the $35-$40K I saved going used, I can do a little repair and still come out good.

Today, the logistics of moving the gear around is an important consideration.  Having lugged 250-400 lb junk around in the past.  :)
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: gordonmcgregor on April 21, 2021, 04:47:29 am
I'd find an alternative solution for 6 weeks and then get what you want.  I picked up JBL VT4886's and went with the passive version.  Light weight, easy to handle and scaleable.

The RCF's you're looking at are lighter than the JBL's.  I bought them all used, may end up replacing a diaphragm or two and maybe a couple of drivers, but paid less than $0.50 on the dollar compared to new stuff.  For the $35-$40K I saved going used, I can do a little repair and still come out good.

Today, the logistics of moving the gear around are an important consideration.  Having lugged 250-400 lb junk around in the past.  :)

The dB tech DVA Mini is a good alternative, the latest version is single boxes unlike the earlier one which ran in pairs, I would also argue the DVA subs are great bang for buck both in size and price. We've had a Mk1 Mini system now for a few years and it has been reliable and very easy to assemble and transport.
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Tamar Ghobria on April 21, 2021, 06:26:50 am
That means nothing. 

What is your budget?

Asked and answered previously 15k
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Steve Ferreira on April 25, 2021, 02:06:09 pm
Asked and answered previously 15k

Is that for the PA or the whole thing?
Will you be using motors or chainfalls?
Do you have spansets, shackles, safety wire etc...
All the associated "equipment" to fly the gear can add up pretty fast also.
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Doug Fowler on April 27, 2021, 02:30:07 pm

I am putting together an entire system

Used Geo S might work.   12 per side with subs gets surprisingly loud.
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 27, 2021, 02:51:10 pm
Used Geo S might work.   12 per side with subs gets surprisingly loud.

LABster Kent Classen installed a bunch of Geo S8 rigs with S-2 subs in municipal auditoriums and similar venues.  I'll be tending one of them next week. :)

I'd like to mix on a 12 box S8 hang.  I've been very pleased with the 8 box rigs in theaters and auditoriums.

After using enough Yamaha gear over the years I came to understand some of the underlying, guiding philosophy behind their product choices; it did not surprise me when they invested in Nexo.
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Kent Clasen on April 28, 2021, 06:57:50 pm
LABster Kent Classen installed a bunch of Geo S8 rigs with S-2 subs in municipal auditoriums and similar venues.  I'll be tending one of them next week. :)

I'd like to mix on a 12 box S8 hang.  I've been very pleased with the 8 box rigs in theaters and auditoriums.

After using enough Yamaha gear over the years I came to understand some of the underlying, guiding philosophy behind their product choices; it did not surprise me when they invested in Nexo.

Hi Tim!

yeah, those S8s ticked the boxes in several venues at the time due to discreet size and great sound. Now there are several options. The most we have used is 13 in a hang- I believe you have worked there, as well. I think that venue holds around 2500-3000?

Used S8s with analog processors with analog amps would probably not be too costly.

Have a good gig. Glad you are getting back out there!!
 
Title: Re: small line array
Post by: Doug Fowler on May 21, 2021, 11:14:16 pm
Hi Tim!

yeah, those S8s ticked the boxes in several venues at the time due to discreet size and great sound. Now there are several options. The most we have used is 13 in a hang- I believe you have worked there, as well. I think that venue holds around 2500-3000?

Used S8s with analog processors with analog amps would probably not be too costly.

Have a good gig. Glad you are getting back out there!!

Most S8 I have used was prob 16 deep and it's a bit shocking how much you get from them.