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Title: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Mike Rein on May 27, 2021, 01:04:35 AM
Starting from scratch and could use some recommendations, donít have any lights now.  Couple things to note: I play guitar for a rock cover band and plan on using a footswitch on stage to control things. I will be learning how to use DMXIS.  Mainly playing smaller to medium indoor (bars) and outdoor gigs.  No separate light guy, the band will need to setup and take down so portability and ease of setup is important.  Unlimited budget so I want good stuff however we also only play a couple shows a month so no need to go overboard either.  I have been doing some reading but could use specific suggestions of what to buy for lights and where relative to the stage they should go.  Also i did look at for instance the Chauvet 4bar quad that retails about 600 bucks for one but Iíve seen posts also where some recommend getting separate pars instead.  Also curious on using WiFi for less cablesÖI try to keep cables tidy and to a minimum when possible.  Thanks and apologies as I know this is a bit general of a thread.
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Post by: Mac Kerr on May 27, 2021, 08:02:33 AM
Starting from scratch and could use some recommendations, donít have any lights now.  Couple things to note: I play guitar for a rock cover band and plan on using a footswitch on stage to control things. I will be learning how to use DMXIS.  Mainly playing smaller to medium indoor (bars) and outdoor gigs.  No separate light guy, the band will need to setup and take down so portability and ease of setup is important.  Unlimited budget so I want good stuff however we also only play a couple shows a month so no need to go overboard either.  I have been doing some reading but could use specific suggestions of what to buy for lights and where relative to the stage they should go.  Also i did look at for instance the Chauvet 4bar quad that retails about 600 bucks for one but Iíve seen posts also where some recommend getting separate pars instead.  Also curious on using WiFi for less cablesÖI try to keep cables tidy and to a minimum when possible.  Thanks and apologies as I know this is a bit general of a thread.

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Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Jeff Lelko on May 27, 2021, 09:52:00 PM
Hi Mike, welcome to PSW.

If your budget is truly unlimited I'd say start with some ETC Source Four LED Series 3 product for key lighting, Mac Vipers for generic wash and texture, and few dozen of the Clay Paky Xtylos for effects.  A grandMA3 Full should do nicely for control.

Being realistic now...

The ETC ColorSource series does nicely for facial washing and good color.  The Elation Fuze Series can also work well.  I'd aim for around 4 of these fixtures per side of your stage getting them as far downstage left/right as you can - ideally around 45 degrees up and out from the talent they're intending to light.  I'd consider this the minimum "get lights on stage" setup you can plan for.  Beyond that, adding cyc (back wall) lighting, eye candy effects, and moving lights are bonus that you can supplement to fit your tastes.

Footswitch control comes up here every so often and a quick search can show you a few workable solutions, though as I typically mention this is rarely a preferred choice in control compared to alternatives.  I'm also in the minority of only using wireless control when absolutely necessary (such as controlling fixtures on multiple rooftops around a campus), but others here have had good results with it.  A quick search will also reveal the usual solutions in that regard as well.  Hope this helps!

 

Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Mike Rein on May 27, 2021, 10:25:56 PM
Thanks!  What would be like the next step down?  Sorry I had only checked like guitar center for pricing so I didnít realize things could be so much.  My bad.  As an example one of the more expensive things I saw on there was a chauvet 4 bar quad for 600 bucks so was trying to figure out for instance would be a step or could steps up from that.
Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Jeff Lelko on May 27, 2021, 10:38:21 PM
Thanks!  What would be like the next step down?  Sorry I had only checked like guitar center for pricing so I didnít realize things could be so much.  My bad.  As an example one of the more expensive things I saw on there was a chauvet 4 bar quad for 600 bucks so was trying to figure out for instance would be a step or could steps up from that.

No worries Mike.  People of all skill sets and experience levels participate here so different budget levels mean different things to different people.

The Chauvet SlimPar Series is a very reasonable lower-budget alternative.  I personally find the SlimPar Pro H to be a nice balance of output and budget, and while it's no pro-grade fixture I consider it acceptable for use in certain professional applications.  I tend to find lesser fixtures too much lacking in either color quality or output...or both.  The added UV is a fun addition that might work well your band too.  Four of these per side should be a nice start to your system.  Be sure to reach out to the Chauvet dealers here on PSW too - they tend to be much more reasonable with pricing compared to the outlets like Guitar Center.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Mike Rein on May 27, 2021, 11:22:54 PM
No worries Mike.  People of all skill sets and experience levels participate here so different budget levels mean different things to different people.

The Chauvet SlimPar Series is a very reasonable lower-budget alternative.  I personally find the SlimPar Pro H to be a nice balance of output and budget, and while it's no pro-grade fixture I consider it acceptable for use in certain professional applications.  I tend to find lesser fixtures too much lacking in either color quality or output...or both.  The added UV is a fun addition that might work well your band too.  Four of these per side should be a nice start to your system.  Be sure to reach out to the Chauvet dealers here on PSW too - they tend to be much more reasonable with pricing compared to the outlets like Guitar Center.  Good luck!

Thanks! Yes the slim par pro H is more in my price range.  Oh ok who are the dealers ? Or is there a thread I should look at that has them?
Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Mike Rein on May 28, 2021, 12:17:02 AM
How would this compare to the pro H?

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1379240-REG/chauvet_dj_slimparproqz12_usb_slimpar_pro_qz12_usb.html/?ap=y&gclid=Cj0KCQjwhr2FBhDbARIsACjwLo3ubz4-YEz5S17J5zgVxmESMYCK7X3Tc9sZ67gorVxpFaXcUizIDNIaAm1XEALw_wcB&lsft=BI%3A514&smp=y
Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 28, 2021, 05:33:04 AM



Footswitch control comes up here every so often and a quick search can show you a few workable solutions, though as I typically mention this is rarely a preferred choice in control compared to alternatives.  I'm also in the minority of only using wireless control when absolutely necessary (such as controlling fixtures on multiple rooftops around a campus), but others here have had good results with it.  A quick search will also reveal the usual solutions in that regard as well.  Hope this helps!


We have Blizzard Weather Systems in our rental inventory, they are light, bright and have a footswitch controller that actually works.  Bands love them.



Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Mike Rein on May 28, 2021, 03:10:35 PM
Thanks! Yes the slim par pro H is more in my price range.  Oh ok who are the dealers ? Or is there a thread I should look at that has them?

Does each pro H needs itís own power or can they be daisy chained to one power supply?
Title: Re: Help with Lighting for a band
Post by: Jeff Lelko on May 28, 2021, 08:28:46 PM
How would this compare to the pro H?

I'll preface this by saying that I don't have direct experience with the SlimPar Pro QZ12, but looking at the specs I'd wager that the QZ12 will be a hair brighter especially if zoomed in, but I wouldn't consider miles ahead of the Pro H.  You're essentially swapping the White and UV emitters for slightly brighter RBGA diodes and the zoom.  On non-moving fixtures zoom isn't a must-have for me - it's nice to dial in a fixture or play with the beam size for eye candy effects, but since neither light is a moving head you don't get the added multipurpose flexibility seen with zoomable moving washes and whatnot. 

With the QZ12 being roughly twice the price of the Pro H I'd either take twice as many Pro Hs or for similar money step up to either a homogeneous fixture such as a Fuze Par or something with superior output/color rendering such as the Elation Seven Par or an ETC offering.  The Pro H is tough to beat for bang to buck.

Does each pro H needs itís own power or can they be daisy chained to one power supply?

All fixtures mentioned thus far allow for power daisy chaining.  I know many users here who build their own pre-wired battens with a wireless dongle on the first fixture and pack it pre-rigged in a keyboard case.  Setup only entails mounting the bar on your light stand and plugging in a single power run.  It's similar to the 4bar-style units but gives you much more flexibility on both choosing fixtures and also being able to reconfigure your rig as needed.  Hope this helps!