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Hello all,
My name is Brian and I'm somewhat new to sound. I've been a drummer for 32 years now and finally was able to fulfill a dream of micing my kit in my home studio so I could actually hear the real sound of it as well as really feel the bass when playing along to other music through my westone in-ears. I picked up an audix DP7 mic kit and a yamaha mg166c mixer, all new. Got everything in about a week and a half ago.
I got everything setup last week, adjusted gains and eq and it was working great. Haven't had a chance to get down and play again till tonight. Went down to my drum room, turned the mixer on, made a few adjustments to the gain on my kick as well as the eq on it, the eq on my snare and first rack tom. The other night I had my phone plugged into channel 15/16 quarter inch inputs. Tonight I thought I'd try moving the ipod to channel 7 hoping to have a little more control over the sound. Realized I didn't so moved it back to 15/16 to keep it easier to remember what channel it was in. At that point I lost all sound except from the ipod which only the volume on the phone was controlling what was coming through.
The only way I can get a signal on the level meter and hear anything is to hit the pfl on each channel which isn't right. I can get the peak light to briefly blink on each channel like the manual said should happen so I know it's getting signal. I unplugged my phone, no luck. Turned the board off and back on, still nothing. I've reviewed the manual multiple times which everything is set per the manual and still nothing. I'm at a loss. Everything worked great till I plugged in my phone. I was so excited to have some quality practice time tonight with everything mic'd up and well I spent an hour trying to figure out what happened after my initial sound check. BTW I played along to some music with my phone the other night and everything worked fine
Can you guys give me any clues? I do have phantom power turned on for my adx51 overhead consenser mic's.
Thanks,
Brian
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Welcome Brian. It sounds like the PFL for ch 15/16 is engaged. I am guessing you checked this though.
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Welcome Brian. It sounds like the PFL for ch 15/16 is engaged. I am guessing you checked this though.
Yes I did. Problem is I have no sound coming through any channel now, I can't even get the levels on the level meter to move unless the pfl is engaged now.
Here is what I have going. All mic's plugged into XLR. Bass Drum in channel 1, snare channel 2, rack 1 in channel 3, rack 2 channel 4, floor tom in channel 5, overheads in 9/10 and 11/12. Gain turned up on each channel till the peak meter just flickers (per the manual) adjusted the high, mid and low eq, st switch engaged on each channel, fader moved to desired volume. Red stereo slider was set at zero db, monitor switch set to stereo. Ear monitors plugged into phone jack and the phone level adjusted accordingly.
I originally had my phone plugged into 15/16, tried moving it to channel 7 today. Moved it back to 15/16. I think that move to channel 7 might have caused a problem.
Everything was working great till I made that move with the phone to channel 7.
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Take a photo of the board and post it. Someone will probably spot the "gotcha" setting.
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Since you mentioned that you have the stereo switch engaged on each channel and the monitor switch set to stereo (two of three items I was going to suggest), the only remaining thing I can think of at the moment is to ensure the mutes aren't engaged. Perhaps overly obvious, but it happens. If that doesn't solve anything, try assigning a channel to one of the subgroups and give it another go.
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Since you mentioned that you have the stereo switch engaged on each channel and the monitor switch set to stereo (two of three items I was going to suggest), the only remaining thing I can think of at the moment is to ensure the mutes aren't engaged. Perhaps overly obvious, but it happens. If that doesn't solve anything, try assigning a channel to one of the subgroups and give it another go.
Tried the subgroups too and that didn't work either.
Jay I'll post a pic this afternoon. Have a busy morning.
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So this is totally bizarre!
This morning I had 5 minutes to head down and see if anything worked. Turned the board on, nothing, cycled each one of the channels I was using on and off and nothing, checked all the pfl switches and I'm 99% they were all off, went through and cycled each one on and off and all the sudden I have sound again. So maybe I had one one and didn't know it even after going over every switch yesterday for an hour or one was registering on for some reason when it was off. At this point I guess anything is possible!
For a minute I was thinking to myself I should have just not mic'd things up and kept it simple, but when you find a deal on the board for $299 when they are selling for $369+ it's hard to turn that down, especially when it gets very good reviews. Not to mention the incredible deal I got on the mics, $250 less then what 99% of dealers are selling them for, it was like they were calling my name "buy me, buy me" LOL!!!
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For a minute I was thinking to myself I should have just not mic'd things up and kept it simple, but when you find a deal on the board for $299 when they are selling for $369+ it's hard to turn that down, especially when it gets very good reviews. Not to mention the incredible deal I got on the mics, $250 less then what 99% of dealers are selling them for, it was like they were calling my name "buy me, buy me" LOL!!!
I feel an intervention coming on....
Brian, you're showing signs of a serious addiction, Gear Acquisition Syndrome, or GAS. If you stop now, you might escape the living hell of gear sales, negative reviews and lateral purchases, or worse - microphone collecting. Relapse is nearly 100% without help.
/satire
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For a minute I was thinking to myself I should have just not mic'd things up and kept it simple, but when you find a deal on the board for $299 when they are selling for $369+ it's hard to turn that down, especially when it gets very good reviews. Not to mention the incredible deal I got on the mics, $250 less then what 99% of dealers are selling them for, it was like they were calling my name "buy me, buy me" LOL!!!
IMO, as far as the board goes, you'd probably been better off waiting till you could afford a used A&H MixWiz(can be found for ~$500). I've had one of those "wonderful" mg166c's and there was a very noticable sound quality improvement switching to my current Mackie Onyx 1640(similar in quality and features in the MixWiz). Also for $300-500 you could have found a used first generation Yamaha 01v digital board.
Anyway good luck, that's just 2¢ FWIW
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I feel an intervention coming on....
Brian, you're showing signs of a serious addiction, Gear Acquisition Syndrome, or GAS. If you stop now, you might escape the living hell of gear sales, negative reviews and lateral purchases, or worse - microphone collecting. Relapse is nearly 100% without help.
/satire
Yeah I have that problem with a lot of things LOL ;D I have no doubt this will probably end up that way too ;)
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IMO, as far as the board goes, you'd probably been better off waiting till you could afford a used A&H MixWiz(can be found for ~$500). I've had one of those "wonderful" mg166c's and there was a very noticable sound quality improvement switching to my current Mackie Onyx 1640(similar in quality and features in the MixWiz). Also for $300-500 you could have found a used first generation Yamaha 01v digital board.
Anyway good luck, that's just 2¢ FWIW
Hey Tommy, I had looked at the MixWiz boards as well as the ZED series from A&H along with the MG series from yamaha. The main use is personal monitoring at home for rehearsing and practicing on my own. I also considered one of the 01V from Yamaha and I was tempted but felt that since this is my first foray into mixers that an analog would be better to get started on. I was really concerned about feeling overwhelmed with a digital console with not having the visual path for each channel like you find on an analog console. Since I'm just learning this new art I know if I feel overwhelmed or frustrated that will keep me from wanting to use it.
So I figured for the price the MG was a decent mixer to get started on and learn on. While I know the MixWiz and the 01V are better boards I didn't want to make that $500+ investment in a board right away to find out for purposes of practicing and rehearsing that it didn't really do what I wanted. Also recording isn't a big need for me, if I find out later on that I want to start recording or doing videos for youtube or find that I want something different in sound I can sell this board without taking a huge hit and invest in a better one that will be more flexible for those needs.
That was my thought process going into this.
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Hey Tommy, I had looked at the MixWiz boards as well as the ZED series from A&H along with the MG series from yamaha. The main use is personal monitoring. I also considered one of the 01V96 from Yamaha and I was tempted but felt that since this is my first foray into mixers that an analog would be better to get started on. I was really concerned about feeling overwhelmed with a digital console with not having the visual path for each channel like you find on an analog console. Since I'm just learning this new art I know if I feel overwhelmed or frustrated that will keep me from wanting to use it.
So I figured for the price the MG was a decent mixer to get started on and learn on. While I know the MixWiz and the 01V96 are better boards I didn't want to make that $500-$1000 investment in a board right away to find out for purposes of practicing and rehearsing that it didn't really do what I wanted. Also recording isn't a big need for me, if I find out later on that I want to start recording or doing videos for youtube I can sell this board without taking a huge hit and invest in a better one that will be more flexible for those needs.
Understandable. Just wanted to make sure you know about the other options. Have a great week!
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Understandable. Just wanted to make sure you know about the other options. Have a great week!
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And I greatly appreciate that!
I've been looking,contemplating and researching this for months. My wife was actually somewhat surprised I didn't go for the "higher tech" digital board. When I explained it to her why I was shying away from it she said it makes sense. I have a feeling at some point I will end up with a different board but for now this is a start.