Tom Manchester wrote on Fri, 17 July 2009 15:05 |
Neat. I've always wondered what the smaller tube ports in addition to the large center slot port accomplished. Why not one or the other? Anyone know? |
drewgandy wrote on Fri, 17 July 2009 21:51 | ||
3 thoughts: 2. They originally had just the slot but then realized it was tuned too low so they added the holes. drew |
Tom Manchester wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 19:39 |
Perhaps it had to do with the switch from older RCF L18-p300's to the newer 18-sound drivers that they added the ports. |
Tom Manchester wrote on Fri, 17 July 2009 16:05 |
Neat. I've always wondered what the smaller tube ports in addition to the large center slot port accomplished. Why not one or the other? Anyone know? |
Jon Waller wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 10:23 | ||
Perhaps it has to do with driver cooling. The round port tubes look like they end right above where the magnets on the drivers would be, and they help heat escape that would build up in the front corners of the box, above the woofers. This could improve driver reliability and reduce power compression losses. |
Jon Waller wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 15:05 |
Phillip, I think you are right. Clever of them and you... But for this to work, the turbulent flow conditions in the small ports could give rise to 'chuffing' noises (a Richard Small term, I believe) at high power levels. Perhaps this drawback, combined with newer, larger xmax drivers, are why they were not included on the new SB1002 model. |
Jon Geissinger wrote on Sun, 16 August 2009 18:56 |
I hope those little bitty wires are for some LED or sensor or something and they are NOT the speaker wires!?!? |
Phillip Graham wrote on Thu, 23 July 2009 20:06 |
Jon, I've read a couple of papers on these turbulence effects, and the change in the resistive component of the acoustic impedance of an undersized port can be extreme, like more than 2 orders of magnitude! If the change in these small ports was similarly extreme (likely), they would nearly shunt themselves out of the practical acoustic system w.r.t. the large port. ... Academic musings worth probably less than 2 cents. |
drewgandy wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 18:56 | ||
I had a post put together a couple weeks ago and thought it posted but somehow it did not. So this is a little late to the discussion... I kind of gave up on vented things many years ago on account of the vent velocity issues so I haven't given this much thought in quite awhile. Mostly I'm wondering if a downward movement of the tuning is actually what you want when the vc heats up and/or the woofer is really moving. Also, do you consider the vc temp to be the biggest characteristic begging dynamic manipulation? drew |
Jon Waller wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 14:05 |
Phillip, I think you are right. Clever of them and you... But for this to work, the turbulent flow conditions in the small ports could give rise to 'chuffing' noises (a Richard Small term, I believe) at high power levels. Perhaps this drawback, combined with newer, larger xmax drivers, are why they were not included on the new SB1002 model. |
Jeff Robinson wrote on Sat, 17 October 2009 09:13 | ||
With the parallel large port you are not pressurizing the back chamber, which would cause air to pump in and out of the port (what I have always regarded as "chuffing"). The turbulence restricts the small port's acoustic output to much less than the rest of the system (cone and slot port). To hear any chuffing you'd have to risk permanent tinnitus by sticking your ear right on top of the port when the input power level is set to "stun". Jeff Robinson |
Art Welter wrote on Sat, 17 October 2009 11:40 | ||||
When a sub is run without the upper speaker, port chuffing is easily heard without sticking your head in the cabinet, because the chuffing is high frequency, octaves above the fundamental tones. |
RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Wed, 21 October 2009 18:09 |
This is a really interesting subject that got me to thinking....Not always a good thing. My TCS 2800 subs ate built to be VERY similar to the SB1000s. They do however have a different porting to them. There is no big open port in the back of the chamber. Rather there is just two small hole ports on each side. If everyone is correct that the small ports in the SB1000 affectively become nulled at high output, It makes me wonder if the TCS box would be similar only at high outputs, act more like a sealed box? Hmmmm? |
Art Welter wrote on Mon, 19 October 2009 17:01 |
. Drew Gandy was also mistaken “wondering if a downward movement of the tuning is actually what you want when the vc heats up and/or the woofer is really moving”. Art Welter |
drewgandy wrote on Thu, 22 October 2009 22:10 | ||
? I think I was asking a question so I'm not sure how I was mistaken. Elaborate? |
Art Welter wrote on Fri, 23 October 2009 14:19 |
Drew, Sorry, my mistake about you being mistaken. Less port area (from a shunted port) would make for a downward tuning. Art Welter |
drewgandy wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 10:23 | ||
That's fine, I think there were a few different things going on in the posts. My question is about whether we want a downward shift or upward shift in response to either heating or excursion. Any thoughts? drew |
Art Welter wrote on Sat, 24 October 2009 14:30 |
In general, a downward shift in tuning at higher power would be preferable, as more excursion is required to reproduce lower frequencies at the same SPL. |
drewgandy wrote on Tue, 03 November 2009 00:01 | ||
But doesn't that open a larger excursion peak above resonance? drew |