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Title: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 11, 2019, 05:07:37 PM
Starting to hear a lot over on Facebook about a new 4.00 firmware and also a new X32 desk.  Anyone hearing anything as far as a new X32?  I'm hearing 4.00 will remove the 8 channel block patching among other things.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Taylor Hall on October 11, 2019, 05:48:31 PM
There's already a couple threads here and in the basement talking about both.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on October 11, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
Starting to hear a lot over on Facebook about a new 4.00 firmware (https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,171776.130.html) and also a new X32 desk (https://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,172181.0.html).  Anyone hearing anything as far as a new X32?  I'm hearing 4.00 will remove the 8 channel block patching among other things.
Yes, do keep up - the threads linked to above pretty much summarise anything that anyone is publicly aware of...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 11, 2019, 09:16:37 PM
Starting to hear a lot over on Facebook about a new 4.00 firmware and also a new X32 desk.  Anyone hearing anything as far as a new X32?  I'm hearing 4.00 will remove the 8 channel block patching among other things.

Douglas R. Allen

I saw this as the "New X32 Thread" not bits and pieces.  It looks like the block of 8's is still there yet not sure what the "Patch Points" is.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Brian Jojade on October 11, 2019, 11:35:28 PM
I saw this as the "New X32 Thread" not bits and pieces.  It looks like the block of 8's is still there yet not sure what the "Patch Points" is.

Douglas R. Allen

From what it appears, you still have the blocks of 8, but you get to define what's in the block of 8.  It's a good compromise, as if you had to configure each channel instead of blocks of 8, it would take longer to make most common configuration changes.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Luke Geis on October 12, 2019, 12:17:52 AM
From what I have seen and read, the blocks of 8 thing is now past-tense. They figured out a way to do it by making what is essentially a custom patch setting. In another window, you can configure what outputs exist in each block of 8. This is then saved as a user setting for that scene.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 12, 2019, 04:45:10 AM
Yes, that is correct.

You get a couple of input and output user blocks and each if them handles 8 sources/destinations.

They did it this way for two reasons; There is a hardware limitation with the current fpga so there is simply no room for a true 1:1 patch matrix. The other thing is that you don’t need to relearn the console if you don’t need the new routing capabilities. Your old blocks are still there. Best of both worlds if you ask me....

From what it appears, you still have the blocks of 8, but you get to define what's in the block of 8.  It's a good compromise, as if you had to configure each channel instead of blocks of 8, it would take longer to make most common configuration changes.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 12, 2019, 05:52:06 AM
Yes, that is correct.

You get a couple of input and output user blocks and each if them handles 8 sources/destinations.

They did it this way for two reasons; There is a hardware limitation with the current fpga so there is simply no room for a true 1:1 patch matrix. The other thing is that you don’t need to relearn the console if you don’t need the new routing capabilities. Your old blocks are still there. Best of both worlds if you ask me....

So if I understand this correctly a person could have 40/48 channels of stage boxes and mix down to any 38 of those. 32 plus 6 Aux remap. Maybe even having the Aux Remap not come down AES50 1-8 but each channel could be assigned from any stage box channel.  This would certainly open the desk up to better patching possibilities. I also wonder if this is just a precursor to a X48/M48. Time will tell I guess.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 12, 2019, 07:42:22 AM
With the new routing you can pull from multiple devices not possible before. Aux remap isstill there and can use the user blocks.

With the new routing I can assign an input user block to be:

Ch25. In27
Ch26. A46
Ch27. B23
Ch28. C18
Ch29. Aux6
Ch30. TB internal
Ch31. TB external
Ch32. In02

This while e.g. you still have assigned ch1-24 to be your sd16+sd8 on stage.

You can also do a similar thing with the output blocks giving you individual routing without the need to go via a channelstrip.


So if I understand this correctly a person could have 40/48 channels of stage boxes and mix down to any 38 of those. 32 plus 6 Aux remap. Maybe even having the Aux Remap not come down AES50 1-8 but each channel could be assigned from any stage box channel.  This would certainly open the desk up to better patching possibilities. I also wonder if this is just a precursor to a X48/M48. Time will tell I guess.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 12, 2019, 10:09:19 AM
With the new routing you can pull from multiple devices not possible before. Aux remap isstill there and can use the user blocks.

With the new routing I can assign an input user block to be:

Ch25. In27
Ch26. A46
Ch27. B23
Ch28. C18
Ch29. Aux6
Ch30. TB internal
Ch31. TB external
Ch32. In02

This while e.g. you still have assigned ch1-24 to be your sd16+sd8 on stage.

You can also do a similar thing with the output blocks giving you individual routing without the need to go via a channelstrip.


Thank you. I believe I understand it now. Still have the blocks of 8 ( 6 blocks of 8 ) but from there the desk now has user blocks that take from those and assign in channel locations as needed. That certainly works for me!

Thanks again;
Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 16, 2019, 12:40:12 PM
Starting to hear a lot over on Facebook about a new 4.00 firmware and also a new X32 desk.  Anyone hearing anything as far as a new X32?  I'm hearing 4.00 will remove the 8 channel block patching among other things.

Douglas R. Allen

I guess the Hints are starting to come in..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLfccwuV1Xw&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3nmhzEGELlozaCmdCxTiSvGb39r4jxioZgrbad5WhE9P0r5RWH0omenxU

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Mark Norgren on October 17, 2019, 08:35:00 AM
What was that!
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Brian Adams on October 17, 2019, 09:02:38 AM
What was that!

A waste of a good thirty seconds!
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Lance Rectanus on October 17, 2019, 09:13:13 AM
What was that!

I guees that's what passes for "Marketing" these days.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on October 17, 2019, 05:00:27 PM
I didn't see it the first time I watched that clip a few days ago but now I think I see something. It appears to show the side profile of the desk in a low light exposure that slowly comes into focus and to me it resembles the A&H QU32.

Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 17, 2019, 06:27:35 PM
I didn't see it the first time I watched that clip a few days ago but now I think I see something. It appears to show the side profile of the desk in a low light exposure that slowly comes into focus and to me it resembles the A&H QU32.

I was kind of thinking the same thing. I'm guessing with the release of the new personal monitors with 48 channel control and a hinted 4.00 software update so the X32 line can use it this could be a X48 mixer either as a control surface or a 24 xlr in with "hopefully" a 24 bus out frame. With the X32/M32 using SuperMac this would take full advantage of the available channels it can do. With the block of 8 limitation that may have a work around should a person run 2 AES50 cables that would make 96 channels of inputs available to mix down to 38 in the current line and maybe 48 channels to mix down should this be a X48 release. Interesting times.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Brian Jojade on October 18, 2019, 01:20:52 PM
I was kind of thinking the same thing. I'm guessing with the release of the new personal monitors with 48 channel control and a hinted 4.00 software update so the X32 line can use it this could be a X48 mixer either as a control surface or a 24 xlr in with "hopefully" a 24 bus out frame. With the X32/M32 using SuperMac this would take full advantage of the available channels it can do. With the block of 8 limitation that may have a work around should a person run 2 AES50 cables that would make 96 channels of inputs available to mix down to 38 in the current line and maybe 48 channels to mix down should this be a X48 release. Interesting times.

Douglas R. Allen

Making an X48 would be awesome.  They could just eliminate the crippled 'aux' channels and make all 48 channels work the same.  Adding additional AES50 ports would be great for additional routing options and add in a world of flexibility.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Dan Mortensen on October 18, 2019, 11:45:40 PM
Making an X48 would be awesome.  They could just eliminate the crippled 'aux' channels and make all 48 channels work the same.  Adding additional AES50 ports would be great for additional routing options and add in a world of flexibility.

Like.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 19, 2019, 08:01:14 AM
Console makers use those ‘crippled’ channels to be able to include more channels than otherwise would be possible due to limited processing. And to be fair, not all sources needs full processing anyway.

Making an X48 would be awesome.  They could just eliminate the crippled 'aux' channels and make all 48 channels work the same.  Adding additional AES50 ports would be great for additional routing options and add in a world of flexibility.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Mark Norgren on October 20, 2019, 10:05:36 AM
If Behringer is coming out with a new console, has anyone heard of a corresponding Midas board?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on October 20, 2019, 12:33:14 PM
If Behringer is coming out with a new console, has anyone heard of a corresponding Midas board?

I hope not, it's one of the reasons the Midas name is tarnished.  I'd like more separation between the brands, not less. 
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on October 20, 2019, 03:18:03 PM
I hope not, it's one of the reasons the Midas name is tarnished.  I'd like more separation between the brands, not less.

How is the Midad brand tarnished?  The M32 turned out to be immenaely popular, quality product that introduced who.knows how many to the brand and primed the pump for a mid-range console for their new you d market.  They actually have fan pages setup speculating on the new products.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Roland Clarke on October 20, 2019, 06:45:34 PM
If Behringer is coming out with a new console, has anyone heard of a corresponding Midas board?

I suspect processing power isn’t really that much of an issue these days, think about it in terms of Moore’s law, we’ve had several manufacturers even Behringer producing 32 channel console with all their features 8 years ago, how much further are we on in terms of power 8 years down the line?  Computing power, is becoming less and less of an issue.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on October 20, 2019, 06:56:17 PM
I think that it comes down to where you want to apply that extra computing power.

More channels requires more dsp. Better quality fx also requires more computing power. Lower latency and routing means that you need a faster dsp.

On the x32 the reason for not having vss3 was that the memory bandwidth wasn’t enough to cope with 4 vss3 engines, so there is that as well.

Add all this up and you need to pick what you want and/or need in the end.


I suspect processing power isn’t really that much of an issue these days, think about it in terms of Moore’s law, we’ve had several manufacturers even Behringer producing 32 channel console with all their features 8 years ago, how much further are we on in terms of power 8 years down the line?  Computing power, is becoming less and less of an issue.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on October 20, 2019, 07:02:19 PM
How is the Midad brand tarnished?  The M32 turned out to be immenaely popular, quality product that introduced who.knows how many to the brand and primed the pump for a mid-range console for their new you d market.  They actually have fan pages setup speculating on the new products.

The X32 is a solidly Behringer device, while the Pro 1/2/3/6/9/X are solidly Midas.  Lipstick on the X32 does not make it a Midas, it simply makes it a slightly updated X32.  This isn't to say the X/M32 are bad products, just that the 'X32 version 2' didn't get pulled upward to Midas level.  From the sale to Uli until recently (?; Heritage D is yet to be seen) Midas didn't equal top level quality and support - instead it stood for 'tweaked Behringer'. 

It's like Ford Taurus/Lincoln MKS and the many other 'luxury twins' of common cars.  I prefer the nicer interior of the upscale car clone, and would prefer M32 over X32, but I'm not clueless about the higher priced version being in a different class. 

The X/M32 - the M32 doesn't work with the 'real' Midas stage racks, doesn't use the same firmware, doesn't have the same sound (phase alignment).  It does use the exact same firmware as the X32 last I checked and shares the Behringer stage boxes.  It's not nor ever will be a 96kHz platform, since it's an X32.  Even Behringer/Midas groups the X/M32 together when talking about Behringer, and Pro1 on up as Midas, at least the last few times I talked with them. 

Other than the AES50 issues (physically 'fragile' cabling care and ESD) - I liked the Pro2 and look forward to the Heritage-D.  I've used the X/M32 a lot and it never grew on me. 
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 21, 2019, 06:00:51 AM
The X32 is a solidly Behringer device, while the Pro 1/2/3/6/9/X are solidly Midas.  Lipstick on the X32 does not make it a Midas, it simply makes it a slightly updated X32.  This isn't to say the X/M32 are bad products, just that the 'X32 version 2' didn't get pulled upward to Midas level.  From the sale to Uli until recently (?; Heritage D is yet to be seen) Midas didn't equal top level quality and support - instead it stood for 'tweaked Behringer'. 

It's like Ford Taurus/Lincoln MKS and the many other 'luxury twins' of common cars.  I prefer the nicer interior of the upscale car clone, and would prefer M32 over X32, but I'm not clueless about the higher priced version being in a different class. 

The X/M32 - the M32 doesn't work with the 'real' Midas stage racks, doesn't use the same firmware, doesn't have the same sound (phase alignment).  It does use the exact same firmware as the X32 last I checked and shares the Behringer stage boxes.  It's not nor ever will be a 96kHz platform, since it's an X32.  Even Behringer/Midas groups the X/M32 together when talking about Behringer, and Pro1 on up as Midas, at least the last few times I talked with them. 

Other than the AES50 issues (physically 'fragile' cabling care and ESD) - I liked the Pro2 and look forward to the Heritage-D.  I've used the X/M32 a lot and it never grew on me.

Not sure what you mean by "real Midas stage racks" but the M/X32's do work with several of the "blue boxes" out there. DL151, DL251 etc. Of course they have to be run at 48k which as we know is a down side.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Mark Norgren on October 21, 2019, 07:09:34 AM
Are the Midas stage boxes compatible with AH, Yamaha and other manufactures digital boards?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Keith Broughton on October 21, 2019, 08:37:58 AM
Are the Midas stage boxes compatible with AH, Yamaha and other manufactures digital boards?
AFAIK, not AH or Yamaha.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Andrew Broughton on October 21, 2019, 11:56:08 AM
Are the Midas stage boxes compatible with AH, Yamaha and other manufactures digital boards?
You'd have to convert their network format from AES50. KT makes a product for that, the 9650 (https://www.klarkteknik.com/Categories/Klarkteknik/Mixers/I-O-Interfaces/DN9652/p/P0AFU#googtrans(en|en)).
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Russell Ault on October 21, 2019, 04:56:37 PM
Are the Midas stage boxes compatible with AH, Yamaha and other manufactures digital boards?

You'd have to convert their network format from AES50. KT makes a product for that, the 9650 (https://www.klarkteknik.com/Categories/Klarkteknik/Mixers/I-O-Interfaces/DN9652/p/P0AFU#googtrans(en|en)).

...and then you'd have to figure out some way to control the preamps (gain, phantom power, etc.). Audio is audio and can usually be converted, but "compatible" tends to imply full-functionality.

The only cross-brand stage box compatibility I've heard of is that Focusrite RedNet boxes can be controlled directly by some Yamaha consoles, and I think there's some cross-brand control within a Waves SoundGrid network. Beyond that, stagebox-to-console is typically a closed ecosystem, even when the signals are being transported over the same protocol (e.g. I wouldn't expect a Soundcraft Vi console to control a DiGiCo SD-Rack).

-Russ
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 21, 2019, 05:59:19 PM
...and then you'd have to figure out some way to control the preamps (gain, phantom power, etc.). Audio is audio and can usually be converted, but "compatible" tends to imply full-functionality.

The only cross-brand stage box compatibility I've heard of is that Focusrite RedNet boxes can be controlled directly by some Yamaha consoles, and I think there's some cross-brand control within a Waves SoundGrid network. Beyond that, stagebox-to-console is typically a closed ecosystem, even when the signals are being transported over the same protocol (e.g. I wouldn't expect a Soundcraft Vi console to control a DiGiCo SD-Rack).

-Russ

Russ;
   The Behringer S16 and Midas DL16 have phantom power and gain control at the stage box, there may be more stage boxes that offer this too,  but as you say its really not as good as full control at the desk.
Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Russell Ault on October 21, 2019, 07:17:39 PM
   The Behringer S16 and Midas DL16 have phantom power and gain control at the stage box, there may be more stage boxes that offer this too,  but as you say its really not as good as full control at the desk.

Sure; Yamaha's R Remote software will control the Rio/Tio boxes over the network, etc., but "compatibility" to me means "I turn the gain knob on the console and it changes the gain on the stage box". Anything less might be interoperable, but I wouldn't call it compatible.

-Russ
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 31, 2019, 08:55:56 AM
Starting to hear a lot over on Facebook about a new 4.00 firmware and also a new X32 desk.  Anyone hearing anything as far as a new X32?  I'm hearing 4.00 will remove the 8 channel block patching among other things.

Douglas R. Allen

From the newest video. Looks to be a 40 input with 8 full hopefully mic/line XLR-1/4 Aux jacks for 48 total inputs. 16 bus, 8 Matrix , 4 Main output and 16 effects.
Time will tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnMrHXrM09M&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3uyq-8kOzH1XFv_vdrZQTMQcZ-_mHODUQuhHAioO0NcvLGHd7bAzhWBrw

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Corey Scogin on October 31, 2019, 11:23:10 AM
From the newest video. Looks to be a 40 input with 8 full hopefully mic/line XLR-1/4 Aux jacks for 48 total inputs. 16 bus, 8 Matrix , 4 Main output and 16 effects.
Time will tell.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnMrHXrM09M&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3uyq-8kOzH1XFv_vdrZQTMQcZ-_mHODUQuhHAioO0NcvLGHd7bAzhWBrw

Douglas R. Allen

That doesn't sound like a "game changer" for my purposes unless all 16 of those buses are stereo (good for IEMs).
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 31, 2019, 11:55:14 AM
That doesn't sound like a "game changer" for my purposes unless all 16 of those buses are stereo (good for IEMs).

I agree. 40/48 input channels would need more than 16 buses to work with. Hoping the effects don't chew those up... Like X/M32. Having the Bus sends 16 stereo and effects with there own dedicated send/returns would be nice.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Taylor Hall on October 31, 2019, 01:09:47 PM
Looks like it'll fall somewhere around the A&H SQ series based on that semi-useful video. Now to wait for another two months for any concrete info...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on October 31, 2019, 02:51:15 PM
That doesn't sound like a "game changer" for my purposes unless all 16 of those buses are stereo (good for IEMs).

I'm thinking it will do 48k or 96k. Depending on how you want to run it and what channel count and how many Cat cables you want to run. That way the existing stage boxes at 48k and still be used. 3 Supermac Cat cables running at 96k would give a person 72 bidirectional channels. The video shows 3 AES50 ports so who knows at this point.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Dan Mortensen on October 31, 2019, 03:32:13 PM
OK, that's a more useful video.

It does indeed show there's 3 AES 50 ports, which is very good news to me.

Why would it be called "Wing"? That sounds like an auxiliary to something else.

Noted that it only shows screenshots, nothing of a physical object. Is it only touchscreen mixing? A big Surface or something with audio I/O on a stage box?

From all the comments in these various threads from people who don't like mixing on an iPad (which I don't mind), computer screen-only mixing would not be universally welcomed no matter how feature-laden.

I'm now on the this-will-be-interesting bandwagon.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Mark Norgren on November 01, 2019, 12:09:21 AM
Is there any real timeline, or just these no news clips?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 01, 2019, 04:25:07 AM
They are teasers, not announcements... An announcement will follow the teasers.

Some people hate teasers while others love them. I fall into the later category  8)

Is there any real timeline, or just these no news clips?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 01, 2019, 07:41:33 AM
Noted that it only shows screenshots, nothing of a physical object. Is it only touchscreen mixing? A big Surface or something with audio I/O on a stage box?
I suspect it's because the display shows all the sexy stuff.  In the end faders & buttons are just faders & buttons.  This view of all of the source icons shows buttons to the left of the display.  In the end, we all want this to be the budget version of the Heritage-D.  Suspect it will start out above X32 prices, but remember how much they've dropped since the X32 launched.  Whatever, it's now starting to look interesting.
(https://i.imgur.com/W2fcRO0.jpg)

A few other salient screenshots for those who can't be bothered to sit and study the video:

40 ins, 16 mixbuses, 16 FX engines, 8 matrices
(https://i.imgur.com/gSoWpIf.jpg)

Tidy IO options, raising a few questions. 3 x AES50 - lovely.  Built-in MADI?  Is StageCon the new name for Ultranet?  WingLive looks like a card, as well as appearing to be the product name, could just be the equivalent of the X-USB card?  A couple more options that a blurred.
(https://i.imgur.com/70oRoWU.jpg)

DCA assignments?
(https://i.imgur.com/P16s8Xw.jpg)

Is the product called Wing Live? (caption at the top)
(https://i.imgur.com/hZgsfZJ.jpg)
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Chris Hindle on November 01, 2019, 08:31:14 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/hZgsfZJ.jpg)

Oh good, MORE COWBELL !!  8)
Chris.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Dan Mortensen on November 01, 2019, 12:01:37 PM

Tidy IO options, raising a few questions. 3 x AES50 - lovely. 
(https://i.imgur.com/70oRoWU.jpg)

Unlike the other three videos, this one is full of food for thought, and the 3 x AES50 is what I've been thinking about since yesterday.

The fact that there's three and not four is causing me some confusion.

Since one of the sweet things about the X32 system is the ability to have both Monitor and FOH consoles connected together with only one CAT cable, as well as having the Head Amp control switchable between consoles, it seems like there's a few possibilities for the three AES 50 ports:

1) 96k is possible with one but not two connected consoles;

2) They've figured out a way to have 96k in the system but have the non-HA controlling console operate on 1 cable;

3) 96k is not possible in this system, but two consoles can be combined to increase channel count;

4) 3 or 4 consoles can be combined somehow into one system;

5) Something else.

The last three possibilities are of great interest to me, because I'm in the middle of two projects to accomplish #3 and #4 separately, which I'm not quite ready to show (I am going to do a thread to show each one when they're done, which I hope will be by the end of this month).

This next part is off topic for the thread but a statement as to why I'm following the above closely and thinking about it so much.

My business has evolved to where I'm not really needing to please guest engineers beyond people who are happy with X32, so I've been able to buy gear that makes me happy and accomplishes what I'm being hired to do better and more enjoyably for me.

One of the things that I've realized really made me happy about analog consoles, and particularly big analog consoles, was the ability to reach out and grab the knob or slider for a function, and that function stayed the same so there was never any doubt that when you turned this knob it did this particular thing. While I understand how difficult that is on a digital console because there is so much stuff in there, if there was a way to make digital closer to analog in the control area, I would like that.

The first project, which I've already talked about here in a thread about the X Touch and X Touch Extender and my inability to make the latter work with X32/M32 (currently impossible due to firmware), is underway using only X Touches. For now, I'll just say that electronically it's working great but the integration into my workflow is taking some time, since my M32R's are in rolling racks (the EWI three-door ones). I think I've come up with a cool solution that I'm excited to show when it's done, as I think it looks pretty neat.

The second project, increasing channel count, will be a kludge of two full consoles and stage boxes and give 64 channels. In the Wing, while 40 channels is welcome compared to 32, it's not quite enough for a few annual events that I have, so if it allows two or four consoles to link up that would negate my kludge; if it doesn't then mine will proceed forward.

Even further off-topic: I got a couple of Midas DL-32's last summer before the price increase, and I think that despite how good I think the Behringer stage boxes sound, it's possible that the Midas do indeed sound better. Last night I looked into getting some more of the DL-32's, and learned that because of the U.S. Government's lunatic tariffs on Chinese goods, the -32's are now 42% higher dealer cost than they were in August!

It was mentioned that the X32's cost came down considerably after it was introduced, but if you look again I think you'll see that almost all the MG products are back up to where they were, or higher, thanks to the lunatic policies of our government.

Back on topic: along with you, I'm looking forward to learning more about this Wing. The X32 changed the course of my company big time, and I'm curious if this new one could have a similar effect.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Andrew Henderson on November 01, 2019, 12:50:24 PM
Since one of the sweet things about the X32 system is the ability to have both Monitor and FOH consoles connected together with only one CAT cable, as well as having the Head Amp control switchable between consoles, it seems like there's a few possibilities for the three AES 50 ports:

1) 96k is possible with one but not two connected consoles;

2) They've figured out a way to have 96k in the system but have the non-HA controlling console operate on 1 cable;

3) 96k is not possible in this system, but two consoles can be combined to increase channel count;

4) 3 or 4 consoles can be combined somehow into one system;

5) Something else.

I'm guessing they added a 3rd port so that users could dedicate one for the new Midas DP48 IEM mixers (https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Signal-Processors/In-Ear-Monitoring/DP48/p/P0BMX#googtrans(en|en) (https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Signal-Processors/In-Ear-Monitoring/DP48/p/P0BMX#googtrans(en|en))), and still have 2 to use for something else. Time will tell if the new console is somehow modular or cascade-able.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 01, 2019, 01:29:55 PM
The square after the orange one (“WING LIVE”) says “DANTE” if you squint your eyes...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 01, 2019, 01:58:49 PM
The square after the orange one (“WING LIVE”) says “DANTE” if you squint your eyes...
Indeed it does, which is why I suggested that Dante may be an internal interface on this, which would be good.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 01, 2019, 06:31:52 PM
I'm guessing they added a 3rd port so that users could dedicate one for the new Midas DP48 IEM mixers (https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Signal-Processors/In-Ear-Monitoring/DP48/p/P0BMX#googtrans(en|en) (https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Signal-Processors/In-Ear-Monitoring/DP48/p/P0BMX#googtrans(en|en))), and still have 2 to use for something else. Time will tell if the new console is somehow modular or cascade-able.

Could this new desk run at 48k to use the current X/M32 stage boxes and 96k for the Blue box stage boxes? 1 AES50 with SuperMac when run at 48k for 48 in / 48 out. Then use 2 AES50's still running SuperMac which gives 24 in , 24 out at 96k for Blue Box stage boxes. The 3rd AES50 for the DP48?
 
Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 01, 2019, 07:22:10 PM
It was mentioned that the X32's cost came down considerably after it was introduced, but if you look again I think you'll see that almost all the MG products are back up to where they were, or higher, thanks to the lunatic policies of our government.
Don't forget, not all users here are based in the US.  While UK/Europe X32 prices had a small increase this year, they've dropped back again, and are still pretty much at their their lowest price.

Could this new desk run at 48k to use the current X/M32 stage boxes and 96k for the Blue box stage boxes? 1 AES50 with SuperMac when run at 48k for 48 in / 48 out. Then use 2 AES50's still running SuperMac which gives 24 in , 24 out at 96k for Blue Box stage boxes. The 3rd AES50 for the DP48?
That's all unknown, and complete guesswork until we find out more.  Keeping this new line at 48k would help keep it as the MI solution not competing with the bigger boy boxes.

[Edit to clarify that I'm talking about UK/Europe prices]
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Guy Graham on November 02, 2019, 04:25:39 AM
Keeping this new line at 48k would help keep it as the MI solution not competing with the bigger boy boxes.

Is the whole 48k vs 96k debate/concern/speculation really worth having at this level?

Yamaha seem to do a fine job of making decent pro grade desks "limited" to 48k. I haven't heard any complaints about the CL or QL when in actual use.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 02, 2019, 04:35:47 AM
Given what people listen on today I think that we can reduce sample rate down to 22k instead.

Is the whole 48k vs 96k debate/concern/speculation really worth having at this level?

Yamaha seem to do a fine job of making decent pro grade desks "limited" to 48k. I haven't heard any complaints about the CL or QL when in actual use.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Roland Clarke on November 02, 2019, 05:01:17 AM
Given what people listen on today I think that we can reduce sample rate down to 22k instead.

Robert, I think you are a cynic! 😉
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 02, 2019, 05:50:12 AM
The square after the orange one (“WING LIVE”) says “DANTE” if you squint your eyes...

The one to the right of DANTE looks like USB-PLAYER

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 02, 2019, 05:51:47 AM
The one to the right of DANTE looks like USB-PLAYER

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 02, 2019, 10:49:07 AM
Given what people listen on today I think that we can reduce sample rate down to 22k instead.

:D  Yep.  The only reason for 96kHz in a live setting is *possibly* less end-to-end latency for IEM users.

It comes back to a double-blind listening experiment where out of the assembled audio professionals, only 2 were better than 50% (meaning the rest were no better than guessing) at naming the sample rate.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Dan Richardson on November 02, 2019, 02:58:36 PM
:D  Yep.  The only reason for 96kHz in a live setting is *possibly* less end-to-end latency for IEM users.

External plugin latency.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Dan Mortensen on November 03, 2019, 03:51:56 PM
Don't forget, not all users here are based in the US.

Yes, indeed.

What I forgot was that in replying to you it would appear that whatever I wrote would seem like I was specifically addressing you when I wasn't.

Sorry about that.

I did specify that it was the U.S. government imposing the tariff, which means that only people in the U.S. are subject to it. It's designed to punish the foreign government but really only punishes U.S. citizens and indirectly the companies doing business with the affected products if the citizens decide not to buy at that time.

And since the tariffs are imposed on a whim they can be removed on a whim, so what I buy today might be that much cheaper tomorrow. Why buy today unless desparate? That's bad for the companies today...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 04, 2019, 03:06:39 AM
Keep in mind that even if the tariffs are removed tomorrow, all goods already imported can’t be sold at a much lower price or the importer would lose money.

This becomes even more problematic if the goods have a long shelf life and other importers buying after the tariffs are removed can sell at a vastly lower price but still have the same original item cost.

And since the tariffs are imposed on a whim they can be removed on a whim, so what I buy today might be that much cheaper tomorrow. Why buy today unless desparate? That's bad for the companies today...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 04, 2019, 08:19:42 AM
What I forgot was that in replying to you it would appear that whatever I wrote would seem like I was specifically addressing you when I wasn't.
No need to be quite so snarky.  People often forget that they're posting to globally usable forums and quote money in numbers without units - very easy to be misunderstood!

I did specify that it was the U.S. government imposing the tariff, which means that only people in the U.S. are subject to it. It's designed to punish the foreign government but really only punishes U.S. citizens and indirectly the companies doing business with the affected products if the citizens decide not to buy at that time.

And since the tariffs are imposed on a whim they can be removed on a whim, so what I buy today might be that much cheaper tomorrow. Why buy today unless desparate? That's bad for the companies today...
All this pricing is interesting.  We just picked up an X32 & S32 for GBP 2,100, as prices started rising having bottomed out around GBP 1,950 for most of this year.  The UK price rises looked to be partly fallout from the US tarrifs, as well as currency related.  What surprised me was to look again this weekend and see that the package is back down to GBP 1,995.

More shocking still was to take a look at the US market, where an X32 is USD 2,500 at Sweetwater, who I've always taken to be one of the cheaper places.  For that money, we can get the S32 on top.  Now, that is a big difference where we've been used to seeing USD prices in the US being roughly the same as GBP prices here, meaning that *everything* is quite a bit more expensive in the UK.  Those tarrifs do seem to have bitten you hard.  And all that is even with the 20% VAT (effectively sales tax) that any UK purchase has to pay.

Nothing to do with technology/sound, but a really interesting insight into changes in "cost of living" as a result of policies.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on November 04, 2019, 02:24:47 PM
No need to be quite so snarky.  People often forget that they're posting to globally usable forums and quote money in numbers without units - very easy to be misunderstood!
All this pricing is interesting.  We just picked up an X32 & S32 for GBP 2,100, as prices started rising having bottomed out around GBP 1,950 for most of this year.  The UK price rises looked to be partly fallout from the US tarrifs, as well as currency related.  What surprised me was to look again this weekend and see that the package is back down to GBP 1,995.

More shocking still was to take a look at the US market, where an X32 is USD 2,500 at Sweetwater, who I've always taken to be one of the cheaper places.  For that money, we can get the S32 on top.  Now, that is a big difference where we've been used to seeing USD prices in the US being roughly the same as GBP prices here, meaning that *everything* is quite a bit more expensive in the UK.  Those tarrifs do seem to have bitten you hard.  And all that is even with the 20% VAT (effectively sales tax) that any UK purchase has to pay.

Nothing to do with technology/sound, but a really interesting insight into changes in "cost of living" as a result of policies.

Sweetwater is not even close to the lowest cost vendor.   
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Dan Mortensen on November 04, 2019, 03:49:44 PM
No need to be quite so snarky.  People often forget that they're posting to globally usable forums and quote money in numbers without units - very easy to be misunderstood!

Hmmm. Maybe "snarky" has a different meaning in the U.K. than it does in America? To me it's nearly synonymous with snippy or snide bordering on contemptuous, maybe.

The dictionary says

"adj.   Rudely sarcastic or disrespectful; snide.
adj.   Irritable or short-tempered; irascible.
adj.   Snide and sarcastic; usually out of irritation, often humorously."

None of those described my mood or intentions when writing that response, I was literally saying why I said what I wrote in response to your post that had the good pictures, without intending what I wrote to describe your exact situation.

I don't forget that there are people all over the world on this site and think that's one of the swell things about it.

I'm sorry it what I wrote came across as disrespectful, because that was not at all intended and I still can't see "snarky" in what I wrote.

And looking again at your second sentence quoted above, that doesn't sound like you felt what I wrote was contemptuous or irascible, which again makes me think "snarky" has a different meaning in the UK.

I will also confess that I thought twice about posting the part about the tariffs, worrying that it would get too close to the "no politics" policy, but decided that my business was currently suffering from a purely political decision by being at least temporarily priced out of an equipment purchase that would have been nearly automatic a few months ago before the US price increase.

Thus it seemed it would be appropriate to share the feeling and the cause because other US companies like mine might be in the same boat, and misery loves company.

Non-US people are welcome to laugh and shake your heads.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 04, 2019, 05:37:09 PM
The new 48 channel Personal Mixer can be driven from a M32R etc. He talks of a new firmware to make it happen so I'm guessing this is done to continue functionality with the older desk and the new desk will work with it as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJcZpEdlcAI&fbclid=IwAR2cUezKofnU3Lji5LPsUNX0yI8h2taNOQ39eZgawfHRajwxG3uJ-uCidP4

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 04, 2019, 06:29:36 PM
Dated October 23 for all our friends who speak German.

https://www.production-partner.de/test/behringer-x32-firmware-4/?fbclid=IwAR2QQ-toZcreLZn-qWLvAXQIAZrW7lIlZJMN6jkn8J2vuMvCIEiGepm5lPQ

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 04, 2019, 06:36:50 PM
Sweetwater is not even close to the lowest cost vendor.
Ah, fair enough - it's actually quite difficult to do google price searching in an overseas territory (unless I've been doing it all wrong, which is quite possible).  What is a good low price for an X32 in the US at the moment, then?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 04, 2019, 07:06:23 PM
Ah, fair enough - it's actually quite difficult to do google price searching in an overseas territory (unless I've been doing it all wrong, which is quite possible).  What is a good low price for an X32 in the US at the moment, then?

Mostly you'll get the USA Minimum Advertised Price (MAP).  Dealers can sell for less but can't publicly advertise a lower price.  For a better idea, search for "B Stock" or "open box" pricing.  I asked one vendor what the difference was between A stock and open box and he said "we break the seal on the box and re-tape it."  :D
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 04, 2019, 08:10:46 PM
The dp48 does not require the console firmware update. What the firmware does is to transfer channelstrip information and also to provide a remote push-out of the dp48 settings directly from the console.

But with the new routing capabilities it becomes possible to e.g. connect a local click to the dp48 and without going through a channelstrip on the x/m32 you can patch the click back into the aes50 stream. That is pretty neat?

The new 48 channel Personal Mixer can be driven from a M32R etc. He talks of a new firmware to make it happen so I'm guessing this is done to continue functionality with the older desk and the new desk will work with it as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJcZpEdlcAI&fbclid=IwAR2cUezKofnU3Lji5LPsUNX0yI8h2taNOQ39eZgawfHRajwxG3uJ-uCidP4

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 05, 2019, 07:59:08 AM
Mostly you'll get the USA Minimum Advertised Price (MAP).  Dealers can sell for less but can't publicly advertise a lower price.  For a better idea, search for "B Stock" or "open box" pricing.  I asked one vendor what the difference was between A stock and open box and he said "we break the seal on the box and re-tape it."  :D
The more I learn, the more realise I don't know!

At least it looks like we should find out properly about this new mixer on Friday.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Corey Scogin on November 05, 2019, 11:04:51 AM
What the firmware does is to transfer channelstrip information and also to provide a remote push-out of the dp48 settings directly from the console.

Does this mean that DP48 mixes can be saved and recalled with scenes?
How many DP48s will an X/M32 support?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on November 05, 2019, 11:11:50 AM
The more I learn, the more realise I don't know!

At least it looks like we should find out properly about this new mixer on Friday.

What's happening on Friday?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 05, 2019, 11:14:41 AM
Yes, that is correct but it isn’t an automatic process. You need to actively engage the pushout. Just recalling a scene is not enough.

What you do is to create a generic dp48 configuration and then you push this out to all connected dp48’s. After that it is up to the performer to make final tweaks to his/her convenience.

In theory you can connect as many dp48’s as you want. There is probably a limit due to physics, but none that I’m aware of.

Does this mean that DP48 mixes can be saved and recalled with scenes?
How many DP48s will an X/M32 support?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 05, 2019, 11:18:32 AM
There is a video that possibly indicates a final reveal by friday. This could also relate to v4 or something else, but it isn’t 100% certain.

What's happening on Friday?
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Corey Scogin on November 05, 2019, 12:00:26 PM
Yes, that is correct but it isn’t an automatic process. You need to actively engage the pushout. Just recalling a scene is not enough.
What you do is to create a generic dp48 configuration and then you push this out to all connected dp48’s. After that it is up to the performer to make final tweaks to his/her convenience.

I see. So it doesn't store a per-DP48 configuration, just pushes out a generic one.
I was hoping to finally have a setup where performers could configure their personal mixes per-scene and have them recalled from the main console (rather than at each unit). I think that will be one of the biggest game changing features if a console maker can pull it off.

The use case may not be that common but for one large event I do every year where I have 10-15 groups that each get a full rehearsal and then perform back to back, it would make all the difference in the world.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 05, 2019, 12:41:37 PM
There is a video that possibly indicates a final reveal by friday. This could also relate to v4 or something else, but it isn’t 100% certain.
It'll be the WingLive on Friday.  It would be nice if Firmware 4 came out at the same time, but who knows.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 05, 2019, 05:26:39 PM
It'll be the WingLive on Friday.

Idk, when it was "win" I said windows to a friend. It's now stuck.

The new console name is "windows" from now on for me and my group :P
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Andrew Henderson on November 05, 2019, 10:44:30 PM
I wonder if you could connect one of these DP48 mixers directly to a stagebox (DL32, DL16 S32, S16). Not saying it would always make sense over using a traditional console, but there might be a use case  (recording 2-track, or a small show with FOH + 1 monitor mix, etc.). You’d have to control preamps  from the stageboxes themselves... just a fleeting thought...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: drew gandy on November 06, 2019, 12:39:43 AM
It'll be the WingLive on Friday.

I thought Fridays were for fish fry? 
I guess you can eat chicken any day of the week if you really want to. 
(And supposedly it's one of the gentlest "meats" for the environment to 'absorb'). 
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 06, 2019, 03:46:10 AM
Yes, this is totally possible. The dp48 can act as a master aes50 clock sync. This also means that you can use the dn9630 for studio monitoring with you daw and dp48.

I wonder if you could connect one of these DP48 mixers directly to a stagebox (DL32, DL16 S32, S16). Not saying it would always make sense over using a traditional console, but there might be a use case  (recording 2-track, or a small show with FOH + 1 monitor mix, etc.). You’d have to control preamps  from the stageboxes themselves... just a fleeting thought...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 08, 2019, 09:47:57 AM
Here are some new cool stuff...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Alec Spence on November 08, 2019, 10:23:33 AM
So, StageConnect is the little surprise in there (https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Mixers/I-O-Interfaces/HUB4/p/P0DM1#googtrans(en|en)):

Quote
StageCONNECT – The Future of XLR

HUB4 also features a designated StageCONNECT port on the rear panel, anticipating the future of XLR connectivity.

What if any standard XLR, microphone or DMX cable could be used to transmit more than one channel of audio?
What if that cable could transmit signals not only one way, but bi-directionally?
What if that cable would allow the passage of control data or even MIDI at the same time?
What if a connected StageCONNECT device could receive up to 18 W of power through that same cable?

Well, these capabilities are exactly what StageCONNECT delivers – a new interface standard to be released by Music Tribe after two years of development. This new standard comes with outstanding technical specs: 32 channels of uncompressed PCM audio in various I/O configurations, 24-bit at 48 kHz, below 0.5 ms of latency. The design we developed will be publicly available free of charge for anyone interested in designing their own audio equipment, compatible with the future of XLR – StageCONNECT.
So, multichannel over a single cable, supporting power.  Why wouldn't you just use a Cat5 solution?  The use of XLR has the appeal of being robust and flexible, but the drawback of needing to be more careful what you plug your XLR cables into.  Think I need to hear more about this...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Jason Joseph on November 08, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
Cool indeed... Glad I waited..
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Jay Marr on November 08, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
So, StageConnect is the little surprise in there (https://www.midasconsoles.com/Categories/Midas/Mixers/I-O-Interfaces/HUB4/p/P0DM1#googtrans(en|en)):
So, multichannel over a single cable, supporting power.  Why wouldn't you just use a Cat5 solution?  The use of XLR has the appeal of being robust and flexible, but the drawback of needing to be more careful what you plug your XLR cables into.  Think I need to hear more about this...

Fractal Audio designed a similar solution for their Foot Controllers (moved from CAT5 to XLR), while retaining all the same data transfer capability.
Biggest benefit from my perspective - cables are less expensive and easier to find if/when one breaks.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 08, 2019, 11:06:31 AM
Stupid marketing
11am CDT - synth
https://youtu.be/6HdRtDESrMU
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Jay Marr on November 08, 2019, 12:04:52 PM
11am CDT
https://youtu.be/6HdRtDESrMU

Synth.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on November 08, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
Synth.

Yeah lame. Does anyone know what the actual release schedule is?
I hate this marketing hype crap.  >:(
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on November 08, 2019, 12:52:52 PM
Yeah lame. Does anyone know what the actual release schedule is?
I hate this marketing hype crap.  >:(

V4 dropped today


Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Taylor Hall on November 08, 2019, 12:59:05 PM
V4 dropped today
Where at? I don't see it for the X32 or M32 on their respective support download portals.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on November 08, 2019, 01:00:11 PM
Where at? I don't see it for the X32 or M32 on their respective support download portals.

Hmmm, the euro distributor posted all over Facebook.  Will follow up this afternoon.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Taylor Hall on November 08, 2019, 01:08:38 PM
Hmmm, the euro distributor posted all over Facebook.  Will follow up this afternoon.
Well, we are 5 hours behind them after all  ;D
I'm quite interested in the DL8, would make for a wonderful breakout snake for drums or remote stage drops. The fact that it's PoE is even better, I wonder if it can be powered off a standard injector and not the HUB4...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 08, 2019, 01:49:15 PM
V4 dropped today

V4 of X- Edit is up. Firmware shouldn't be too far behind. I hope people don't put V4 Edit on their laptops/tablets etc. then go out this weekend and it does not work with the older firmware!

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 08, 2019, 01:53:38 PM
Well, we are 5 hours behind them after all  ;D
I'm quite interested in the DL8, would make for a wonderful breakout snake for drums or remote stage drops. The fact that it's PoE is even better, I wonder if it can be powered off a standard injector and not the HUB4...

DL8? Like a DL16?
Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Taylor Hall on November 08, 2019, 01:55:27 PM
DL8? Like a DL16?
Douglas R. Allen
Yeah, you can see it referenced in the top part of the screengrab that Robert posted earlier.
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 08, 2019, 01:59:26 PM
V4 of X- Edit is up. Firmware shouldn't be too far behind. I hope people don't put V4 Edit on their laptops/tablets etc. then go out this weekend and it does not work with the older firmware!

Douglas R. Allen

I'm hearing now they pulled it and its not available. Anyone know for sure?
Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Douglas R. Allen on November 08, 2019, 02:01:11 PM
DL8? Like a DL16?
Douglas R. Allen

Found it on the site.

Douglas R. Allen
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Robert Lofgren on November 08, 2019, 02:22:47 PM
Hub4 is IEEE802.3at, so any injector that supports it... However the dp48 uses ieee802.3af according to my notes, but I assume that at is backwards compatible with af...?

Well, we are 5 hours behind them after all  ;D
I'm quite interested in the DL8, would make for a wonderful breakout snake for drums or remote stage drops. The fact that it's PoE is even better, I wonder if it can be powered off a standard injector and not the HUB4...
Title: Re: New X32?
Post by: Taylor Hall on November 08, 2019, 03:29:55 PM
Hub4 is IEEE802.3at, so any injector that supports it... However the dp48 uses ieee802.3af according to my notes, but I assume that at is backwards compatible with af...?

I think it varies from manufacturer, but I do know that there are many af (PoE) devices that will work with the at (PoE+) standard. It seems like it really boils down to if the PoE device actually adheres to that standard and is not something proprietary (ubiquiti, etc), then it should be able to properly initiate a connection with a PoE+ source.