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Think you can do it? This is a thought exercise but I am seriously considering doing just that. I sold my last trailer a couple years ago! Typical mid-sized SUV. Think CRV, Forerunner, Explorer type.
System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
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-Some flavor of rack mountable mixer that meets the channel count (X32 rack, UI24, QU Pac, etc) and suits the user's worklow
-DSR 12/15 for tops
-DSR 8 for monitors
-Danley TH-mini if subs are needed
-6/8U rack to hold the mixer, amp, and any outboard effects and wireless mics
-Handtruck with folding bottom plate
That all should pretty well fit in a modern SUV with the back seats folded, I was able to fit two dual 12" tops and a single 18" sub with stands, amps and mixer in my old Subaru hatchback. Probably could have weaseled a monitor or two as well in the back, and easily fit them in the passenger seat.
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I fit all this into a Honda Pilot for a 5 piece wedding band
2x SRX 718
2x SRX 712
2x Crown Itech 6000
2x Alto smx 112
3x qsc k-10
1x Allen Heath Qu-pac
4x milk crates mic cables, speaker cables an all other cabling
2x small brief case with random tools and accessories
Mic stands, speaker and light stands go into a Thule Roof Rack.
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I've had the following in a 2003 VW Polo:
2x 2x10" main speakers
2x 15" subs
4x 8" coaxial stage monitors
4U amp rack
Cables, stands, QSC TM16 desk
It's tetris in 3D, and it all packs quite tightly. The weight is about the same as having a couple of fat guys in the back, so not outside of the limits of the car.
That said, I don't do that any more - if the gig is big enough to need subs, I use a van and charge the extra.
Chris
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Honda Fit.
2- DXR12 tops and stands
1-DSR15sub
4-DXR10 monitors
Mics and stands
Cables, snake and cords
16ch analog mixer
No room for passenger.
The band was flabbergasted when I crammed it all in my car afterwards.
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Qsc ks112 subs and k12 tops.
Behringer b212d monitors (surprisingly amazing)
Whatever rack mixer you like.
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I use DSR112's for mains, PRX815XLFW's for subs, and have a 10U molded rack with the mixer head (UI24R), wireless mic receivers, wireless IEM transmitters, and a guitar modeler (Fractal Axe FX III) all connected and ready to go. Speaker stands, mic stands, mics, cables, and a few small monitors just in case - add a hand truck and it still easily fits in a typical SUV. Tons of other boxes of comparable size that would work just as well.
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I like this discussion. One day I'm going to want to get rid of all the bigger stuff and come up with a compact sound system for old people. Powered speakers for sure, compact mixer, and power distribution, and cables in general, that are no larger than they need to be. (Goodbye 12/3 SOOW, I'm old so f off!) I'd like it to fit comfortably in a mini urban delivery vehicle like the Ford Transit Connect.
When I was a teenager I could carry most of a PA in Volkswagen Beetle with the rear bench and front passenger seat removed. I cut two pieces of plywood that fit in the steel frame for the bench to provide a strong platform and the whole rig was remarkably capacious. Lifting heavy stuff in and out through the passenger door presented less of a problem than it would today. Where's the aching back emoji?
--Frank
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I fit all this in the cab of an F250 Super Duty.
2-iQ10
2-iQ15b
5-TFX122M-AN monitors
X32 Rack in a 4 space rack
2 speaker stands in a bag
8 boom stands and 4 short stands in 2 bags
Duffel bag full of cords
Utility box with mics, Dis, miscellaneous adapters and router
2 bass guitars
Helix stomp and iX12 for bass rig
I do keep a tough box with extra mic cord and power cords in the bed, but I rarely need to get into it.
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Think you can do it? This is a thought exercise but I am seriously considering doing just that. I sold my last trailer a couple years ago! Typical mid-sized SUV. Think CRV, Forerunner, Explorer type.
System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
this is what i use: note that all of this fits in a BMW 3 series Wagon/station car
2x 15" subwoofer (1 on each rear seat, see picture)
2x 12" top. (stacked in the middle rear seat)
4x PROEL WD10AV2 active monitor (2 on the front seat, 2 in the back)
1x soundcraft Expression 1 in dedicated flightcase
6HE Amprack (Without wheels offcourse)
1x small flightcase for XLR cables
1x small flightcase for Power/distro
1x Xsmall flightcase for Speaker cable.
1 toolbox for Mics
1 toolbox for Di's & spares
all mic stands in the foot area of the rear seats
see attached pictures
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Think you can do it? This is a thought exercise but I am seriously considering doing just that. I sold my last trailer a couple years ago! Typical mid-sized SUV. Think CRV, Forerunner, Explorer type.
System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
I carry the following for a 5 piece beatles clone band (with extra keys player). In a toyota tacoma pickup with cap. Sometimes a little less for other bands.
X32 Rack with SL32 snake (same rack)
6 RCF NX12-sma wedges
2 DSR112 tops
4 EV zxa1 powered subs (12" - yes I know then are barely subs)
Gator Mic case
Mic wire Case (carries 6 DI's and some misc cables)
Power cables case (Wire cases are both home depot plastic flip top tubs)
Stage Snakes (3)
Extra power cables with quad boxes (3)
2 bags of mic stands (on-stage bags)
Bag of pa stands
pair of chauvet mini 4-bar lights and pair of 12ft stands.
laptop/ipad bag.
Dolly/hand truck.
Id love to have a bigger front end or at least some better subs but I'd need a truck or trailer and it's just not warranted.
--Kevin
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Oh, this sounds like fun!
Let's see... My plan is to have a financial benefactor :P so that money is no object :D
SM80M (no subs) [SM100 + TH-Mini (Subs)]
Art Welter's custom monitors (smaller and sound better than K12's)
DXR, CDD, RCF, DZR or similar if powered [swap main amp too]
6U Rack (A):
1U - Shure SBRC
1U - ULXD4Q (4x units, KSM9 heads)
2U - Drawer for wireless mics
6U Rack (B):
Rear - Ubiquiti AC-Mesh & intel NUC (waves MT or plugins)
3U - dLive CDM32 waves card
1U - APC Battery Backup
2U - Linea Research 88C20 (4ch monitor, 2ch sub, 2ch mains)
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If I get a FOH:
C1500 (run supercat)
IP8
If I don't:
1U (rack A) - PSM300 & ULXD1 (FOH: cans & remote iTunes)
Surface Pro 5/6 & portable battery
IP8
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Crate 1 (Speakon):
4x 50ft 16awg for monitors
2x 50ft 14awg for main/sub
2x 75ft 14awg for main/sub
Crate 2 (AC & XLR):
50ft stage stinger for AC power
50ft 12awg for racks
50ft 12awg for stage power
16x XLR
Crate 3 (Di & Mic):
-6x Senn 904 (SnT, SnB, T1, T2, T3, T4)
-1x B91A (Kick)
-1x J48 (Bass)
-1x Magic DI (Acoustic)
-1x ProD2 (Keys)
-2x JDX48 (2x electrics)
-1x 57 (misc)
-1x 58 (misc)
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Honda Odyssey, middle seats removed, rear saet folded into floor:
2x Fulcrum Acoustics TS215ac subs with removable casterboards
2x Fulcrum Acoustics FA12ac tops
6x RCF NX12sma wedges
2x 42x16 casterboards (for the wedges)
1x Yamaha QL1 in road case
1x 24x16x14 work trunk for XLR and other signal cables (on own casterboard)
1x 24x16x14 work trunk for AC cables (on own casterboard)
1x 24x16x14 work trunk for small mic stands
1 or 2x On-Stage stand bags for tall stands
1x SKB 3RU rack for Tripplite UPS, Triktag Powercon and Furman PDU
1x Audiopile mic locker
Backpack gack bag and anything else in the passenger seat and floor well
1x SKB 2RU rack for Yamaha Ri8 and Cisco switch
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Here's the system I used with my previous band, I could get my rig in my 2007 Toyota Highlander. But then I had to have the drummer transport my bass amp and cabs in his van.
2 JBL PRX718xlf subs in Tuki bags. These fit in the cargo space of the Highlander pushed against the front seats with not a centimeter to spare.
2 JBL PRX712 tops with padded covers
2 Phonic 10" wedges and Phonic powered mixer (4 small powered wedges would take up the same space)
Behringer XR18 in 4u rack case. Also transported laptop and iPad in this case.
2 hardware bags with mic stands and speaker poles
3 duffle bags with cable, mics, DI's, etc.
The Phonic system belonged to one of the singers. If I were to do it over I'd go with smaller mains and powered monitors (probably Yamaha DXR 8 or 10, and/or DZR10).
Think you can do it? This is a thought exercise but I am seriously considering doing just that. I sold my last trailer a couple years ago! Typical mid-sized SUV. Think CRV, Forerunner, Explorer type.
System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
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+1 on using RCF NX12SMA's for both mains and monitors! Great speakers and pretty compact. Choose your sub du jour. Obviously a 16 channel digital option for a mixer. Lastly is cables, and those can fit in a couple of pelican style cases.
I have a 2001 Chevy S10 extended cab ( third door with a fold-down seat in the cab ) and I can fit 2 x JBL SRX 812's, 2 x JBL SRX 818's, a 16 space rolling rack, a rolling case with doghouse for a 16 channel digital mixer, 8 x RCF NX12SMA's, 4 x 16" pelican cases, 2 x 18" pelican cases, 3 mic cases and all my stands and loose power cables!!!!! Not one square inch of space is left and I have to drop the gate, but it all fits.
Full disclosure, I rent a trailer whenever I can. Will all that fit in an SUV? I think you can get a basic rig to fit without too much issue. I used to fit 2 X dual 15" speakers, 2 x monitors, an amp rack, a 16 channel mixer and all my mics, cables and stands into a, wait for it....... Chevy Cavalier!
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I had a band drive up to Lake Tahoe to do a wedding reception for about 100 people. They could fit their instruments into their vehicle but not the PA so they rented one from me so they didn’t have to take multiple vehicles. Band was guitar, acoustic guitar, bass, keyboard and 4 piece drums.
South Lake Tahoe is about an hour and a half from my shop (which is in Washoe County above Reno) so I decided to see if I could fit the PA in my Expedition instead of using a truck that would eat up gas.
2 EV ELX10P tops
2 EV ELX12-SP subs
2 poles
Audiopile M024 trunk with custom PA power cables that have 2 IEC to one 25’ power cord, extra IEC for mons, a few quad box 25’ power cords
M024 trunk with mics, clips and LP claws, 4 Countryman DI with 1/4 cables, Switchcraft Stereo DI with 1/8” for my iPad, 2 AT System 10 hand held wireless for Just-in-case, gaff tape
M024 trunk with 5’, 15’, 30’ and a few 50’ XLR cables
Extra 30’ and 50’ XLR left in truck
M024 trunk with 16 x100’ snake and some banjo pipe and drape panels to dress things up and a roll of 3” gaff
M024 trunk with 10’, 25’, 50’ AC cables, cube taps
2 50’ and 2 100’ AC cords in Expedition plus some extra IEC cables
4 Alto TX10 cabs for monitors
2 mic stand bags with K+M booms and Audiopile shorty booms
QSC Touchmix16
QSC Touchmix 16 as backup left in truck
Hand truck
My Show Suitcase with laptops, iPads, batteries, Whirlwind Q box, tools, Fox and Hound, measurement mic with folding table stand, etc
The Expedition was full with stuff on the front seat and floor but it all fit and I had a few spare items for the show. The EV rig is tiny but sound great and gets pretty loud for small to medium sized parties.
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What noiselevel at what distance? ;)
What kind of noise?
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What noiselevel at what distance? ;)
What kind of noise?
The challenge is as much as possible ;)
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The challenge is as much as possible ;)
In that case-
-TW T24N speakers have a lot of output per cu ft and still sound good.
-Subwoofers are the challenge, with as many TH118's as will fit, Powersoft X4 or DNA 20K4 power.
-Small coax wedges like NX12SMA.
-Mics, cables, stands - take up about the same space regardless of favorite flavor.
-Does a tow-behind small diesel generator count? Don't forget power distribution.
-Some sort of headless mixer, dLive preferred.
-Wireless IEM's instead of wedges, depending on the band - should free up space for another subwoofer.
Vehicle - I'd look closely at available space amount and shape, and use that as a key criteria for vehicle. A RAV4 and a Nissan NV2500, if you stretch 'SUV' to mean 'van', both carry gear but there's a huge difference in usable space. Maybe removable seats in the NV2500, tall ceiling, so it can double as a family hauler.
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2 x prx 618sxlf
2 x prx 612
4u rack
12 channel analog mixer
speakers stands
mic stands and mics
xlr and 12/3 soow cables
all packed into an '05 Toyota Prius.
With an SUV, I could easily add 4 more prx 612 for monitors.
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Think you can do it? This is a thought exercise but I am seriously considering doing just that. I sold my last trailer a couple years ago! Typical mid-sized SUV. Think CRV, Forerunner, Explorer type.
System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
In my '06 Ford Expedition:
- 1 amp rack (w/ Itech6000, XTI4000, XS4300, TX4P processor, 402C processor)
- 2 Yorkville (reloaded) ES808 subs
- 4 Bose 402's (monitors)
- 2 QSC K8's (monitors)
- 2 speaker poles to mount mid/high cabs on subs
- A&H QU-24 (or QU-16) mixer (w/router, ipad, etc.)
- NL4 cables
- XLR mic cables
- 2 band power stringers
- wall power extension cords
- 2 trees (4 cans per tree) par 38 old school lights
- 2 stands (for above lights)
- 6-8 tripod mic stands
- 10-12 assorted mics (drum mics included)
- drum drop snake
- 2 TX4 mid/high cabs carried on a unit similar (bagged in inclement weather) to this:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/CURT-500-lbs-Capacity-Basket-Style-Hitch-Cargo-Carrier-18153/205631490?cm_mmc=Shopping%7CG%7CBase%7CD25T%7C25-32_TRAILERS%7CNA%7CPLA%7c71700000034127215%7c58700003933021537%7c92700031755124604&gclid=Cj0KCQjwv8nqBRDGARIsAHfR9wDyvTQZyQo5_CFc72PBcV9a5hXkDiHN1hsHTa7nyzsRsV9XAikHsFEaAuCSEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
If the weather is really bad (torrential rain) I will forgo one of the subs and put the mid/high cabs inside.
This is my standard club rig.
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Vehicle - I'd look closely at available space amount and shape, and use that as a key criteria for vehicle. A RAV4 and a Nissan NV2500, if you stretch 'SUV' to mean 'van', both carry gear but there's a huge difference in usable space. Maybe removable seats in the NV2500, tall ceiling, so it can double as a family hauler.
I specifically chose "SUV" because I know plenty of people carry decent club rigs in Vans. That's not a challenge. I guess Minivan could be considered the same as an SUV, and There is the RAV4, then there's the Suburban. But really, I'm just doing the mental math on how much PA can fit in a reasonably sized family family truckster.
I'm enjoying this! Keep it coming and show more pics! Joris in the BMW Estate might be winning the 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag so far! lol
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The challenge is as much as possible ;)
One Danley J7 with 2 pole cups installed, 20k4 amp, 2 Global St-132 stands! a little light on sub frequencies, but when you need 140+ dB in a bar... ;D ;D ;D
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I specifically chose "SUV" because I know plenty of people carry decent club rigs in Vans. That's not a challenge. I guess Minivan could be considered the same as an SUV, and There is the RAV4, then there's the Suburban. But really, I'm just doing the mental math on how much PA can fit in a reasonably sized family family truckster.
I'm enjoying this! Keep it coming and show more pics! Joris in the BMW Estate might be winning the 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag so far! lol
The OP said SUV, if we expand to a minivan, in the venerable Chevy Venture. Two KW153's 4 KW 181's 5 - HPR 112's (monitor) - usually an x32 rack but any of the small mixers fit. Includes cable trunk, power trunk, stands, pre-rigged PAR lights and a tech or two in the front.
It's a pain in the ass but I can fit two DXR12's, Two STX818's, 5 - Alto SXM112A's - 12" Drum sub - combined power and cable case, small case with M32C and DL32, Blizzard Weather LED lights all fit into my Acadia
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Think you can do it? This is a thought exercise but I am seriously considering doing just that. I sold my last trailer a couple years ago! Typical mid-sized SUV. Think CRV, Forerunner, Explorer type.
System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
My 2nd gen Jeep Grand Cherokee (WJ) can carry the following:
2 QSC KW181
2 Yamaha DZR12
2 Yamaha DXR12
2 Yamaha DXR10
Adjustable speaker poles (sub mount)
Mic stands
QSC Touchmix-16
Two 5-gallon totes containing signal cables, extension cables & strips
2 crates with 6 LED lights & extension cables
Roll around Stanley 3-piece tool box containing mics, cables, stage snake, tools & other miscellaneous
It's filled to the gills! Even though the Grand Cherokee competes in the mid-size SUV market, I think it's smaller than many of its competitors. Jeep designed this particular model well to maximize cargo capacity. The rear seat folds very flat and there's no big lip, dip or other stupid contraption at the rear lift-gate to hinder loading in/out.
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I fit this into a Citroen Berlingo with the rear seats removed:
Bag containing eight mic stands and speaker poles in the space in front of the rear seats (where they would fold into if still fitted).
Two powered 15" subs over this space with a flight cased Soundcraft Si Compact in between.
Six powered speakers RCF ART312A (or similar) stacked neatly. (usually only take four - two for monitors).
An old amp rack case rotated 90 degrees to become a trunk case (wheels on one lid, now the bottom) takes everything else. All cables, mics, DIs, router, iPad, etc. If I am going to be unloading on my own, I leave out the case and pack its contents into bags.
This all fits with nothing much higher than the bottom of the windows. Gives scope to add a few extras like lights if needed.
The Citroen Berlingo might not be known in the US. It's a popular European vehicle which can be bought as either a van or a car.
Steve.
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How about a VW Golf R? We’re doing a gig at a very small bar next week. It’s a place I’ve run sound for my last band at probably 125 times, but this band hires sound (and I’ve sold my trailer). For this show we couldn’t find sound for under $400, which is just silly for a place that holds maybe 75 peopls, so I’m going to do it with my “small rig”. Admittedly, covering 200 would be a stretch… but I’ve certainly seen worse. If it goes OK we'll do it for our smallest shows and for when a bar calls "last minute" needing to cover a cancellation. I also have a Mitsubishi Outlander, but that's what my wife drives so I tried to cram all this in my R, and it actually fit.
2 – RCF 702AS subs
2 – RCF 310A mains (if all goes well, will probably replace with a couple of RCF 710A and move these to monitors)
2 – JBL PRX 212A monitors - too big and heavy to sit on top of the subs so using for monitors (I have room in the car to switch these out for 10” monitors, and more of them)
1 – Samson 12” powered monitor (owned by the guitar player)
2 – small backpacks with audio and power cabling for each speaker stack
2 – Soundcraft Ui24r
1 – plastic tub of mic cables
1 – plastic tub of power cords, 2 DI boxes, various adapters and specialty cables, gaff tape, cable tester, tools
2 – padded mic cases one for vocal and one for drum mics
6 – microphone stands (4 vocal and 2 to hold tablets)
2 – K&M 21366 speaker poles with lock rings
2 - Chauvet wash lights that attach to a rig point on top of the mains
1 - R8 Rock-n-Roller cart
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2-RCF TT 1A
2-JBL VRX918SP
Soundcraft Ui24
Everybody on in-ears
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2x EAW KF300e in a pullover ATA case
2x EAW SB600e on dollies with covers
12U shock mount rack with amps, 50A distro, EAW MX300i processor, Ui24r mixer
4x Turbosound Milan's for monitors
Mic box, cables and 8 stands
Getting the KF300's up onto the tailgate is a rough lift.
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Think you can do it? This is a thought exercise but I am seriously considering doing just that. I sold my last trailer a couple years ago! Typical mid-sized SUV. Think CRV, Forerunner, Explorer type.
System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
When I had my 2014 Ford Flex, I'd fold all of the seats flat and had a ton of room. We did a hotel gig a few years ago and packed-in:
QTY 6 = DSR112 w/Tuki covers
QTY 1 = FOH rack (6U with X32, VENU360, wireless gear)
QTY 1 = Mic stand bag (K&M)
QTY 1 = Ultimate TS90B stands in bag, speaker cables stored in bag
QTY 1 = Black plastic tote with XLR cables
QTY 2 = JTR C212Pro subs (powered) w/Tuki covers
QTY 1 = Black plastic tote with power cables/drops
QTY 1 = Loose Whirlwind DrumDrop snake for drums/backline
QTY 1 = Gator waterproof 16 mic case
QTY 2 = Gator Slim 88 bags with 2 sets of 4x Blizzard Hotbox & 2 ADJ LT2 stands
The tricks:
- Anything in a bag went in the foot well area under the 2nd row's folded seats, along with the drum drop
- Subs got set with drivers facing roof; mic case and Slim 88 bags on top of subs
- DSR112 got stacked "Tetris" style
- FOH case and black totes went in last
We went all the way to the roof, and used up all of the front-to-back space, but it worked. I miss that Flex...
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System must include 4 monitor mixes, and be usable for a typical bar band for maybe a couple hundred meat sponges in the audience. Lets say at least 16 channels on the desk, headless is OK since we are all about saving space!
What gear would you use? How would you package it? What tricks to make load in/out easier?
Hit me!
Band-on-ears scenario (could be up to 5 pieces, drummer hardwired)
MAIN PA
(2) Meyer Sound ULTRA-X40 mains with covers/bags
(2) Meyer Sound 750-LFC subs with covers/bags
HEAD END
(1) Circle Three Designs 6U Aluminum Fly Rack in a Pelican Air 1637 (https://www.circlethreedesigns.com/shop/fly-racks/6ru-aluminum-fly-rack-in-pelican-air-1637) loaded with:
(1) SurgeX SX1115R
(1) Midas M32C loaded with DN32 ADAT card
(1) Klang:Vier
(1) PWS UX-4
(2) Shure P10T
(1) Ubiquiti AC-Mesh WAP with bracket/clamp
(1) Custom I/O panel on the back including 20A Powercon blue input
(1) Circle Three Designs 6U Aluminum Fly Rack in a Pelican Air 1637 (https://www.circlethreedesigns.com/shop/fly-racks/6ru-aluminum-fly-rack-in-pelican-air-1637) loaded with:
(1) Shure QLXD4Q
(1) Midas DL32 or DL16
(1) 2U Drawer for Shure P10RA + QLXD1/2 Tx
(1) Custom I/O panel on the back including 20A Powercon blue input
UTILITY
(1) Pelican 1637 Air loaded with:
(6+) OA Windsor 3PC Powercon/Edison boxes
Multiple Powercon jumpers (since everything else is powercon)
Multiple Powercon to Edison cables
Edison Extensions
XLR/Powercon looms for the speakers
XLR/CAT5 loom for the head end to stage rack
XLR loom for drums
XLR kit + hardwired mics for the stage
Band on wedges? Ditch the Klang/P10T rig and add in some powered wedges du jour - Meyer Sound MJF208 for the high end/compact form factor.
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Band-on-ears scenario (could be up to 5 pieces, drummer hardwired)
MAIN PA
(2) Meyer Sound ULTRA-X40 mains with covers/bags
(2) Meyer Sound 750-LFC subs with covers/bags
HEAD END
(1) Circle Three Designs 6U Aluminum Fly Rack in a Pelican Air 1637 (https://www.circlethreedesigns.com/shop/fly-racks/6ru-aluminum-fly-rack-in-pelican-air-1637) loaded with:
(1) SurgeX SX1115R
(1) Midas M32C loaded with DN32 ADAT card
(1) Klang:Vier
(1) PWS UX-4
(2) Shure P10T
(1) Ubiquiti AC-Mesh WAP with bracket/clamp
(1) Custom I/O panel on the back including 20A Powercon blue input
(1) Circle Three Designs 6U Aluminum Fly Rack in a Pelican Air 1637 (https://www.circlethreedesigns.com/shop/fly-racks/6ru-aluminum-fly-rack-in-pelican-air-1637) loaded with:
(1) Shure QLXD4Q
(1) Midas DL32 or DL16
(1) 2U Drawer for Shure P10RA + QLXD1/2 Tx
(1) Custom I/O panel on the back including 20A Powercon blue input
UTILITY
(1) Pelican 1637 Air loaded with:
(6+) OA Windsor 3PC Powercon/Edison boxes
Multiple Powercon jumpers (since everything else is powercon)
Multiple Powercon to Edison cables
Edison Extensions
XLR/Powercon looms for the speakers
XLR/CAT5 loom for the head end to stage rack
XLR loom for drums
XLR kit + hardwired mics for the stage
Band on wedges? Ditch the Klang/P10T rig and add in some powered wedges du jour - Meyer Sound MJF208 for the high end/compact form factor.
Lol. I guess you are loading this into your Lamborghinin Urus then?
Nice choices, but I'd invest in a nice trailer or sprinter van to haul gear this nice.
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Art Welter's custom monitors (smaller and sound better than K12's)
?? I've not heard about these - DIY forum? - link? ... cheers
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back in the day we used 1 cabinet on each side of the stage. we used VOT, or 15" scoop with a horn, or a home made 15",12",horn stack. we never used or needed a monitor mix in those bars. guitar,bass,keyboards were plenty loud with their stage amps. drums were usually plenty loud but sometimes hihats were in the pa. vocals were about the only thing in the pa. a pair of used JBL SRX cabinets should do the job just fine. 12 channel board.
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You guys rule!
This is exactly what I am dealing with right now.
I love this forum.
Can’t say I know all the gear you refer to.
I have pack space 7 feet long,4 feet wide,and 3 feet tall.
I have big bag for light stands
1 large keyboard case for 2 T-bars of LED’s
1 smaller case for extra lights and cables.
On order with Mike Pyle
2 DZR12’s
2 Ig4T’s
1 QuPac
Gotta work out the rest. Probably 2 Captivator 212.
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I'm pretty happy with my rig that fits in my Focus ST Hatchback.
2x Yamaha DBR10 tops
1x Yamaha DXS12mkII sub(could fit 2; currently own 1)
1x Plastic tub of various cables, DIs, and mics
1x 4u Shallow Rack with
XR18
WiFi AP velcro'd to the back of the XR18 so I can stick it somewhere with better line of sight to FOH
Rack mount power strip with 15ft cable and plugs on the front and back (whole rig can easily run off one circuit)
2x Ultimate Support speaker stands
I mix on a Samsung tablet with an iPad and laptop as backup.
I could easily add a second sub and a few more powered speakers for monitors and still fit it in the car. The sub and 2 tops I have now will fit behind the rear seat in the "trunk" area. Definitely not the loudest rig listed here, but I'm all in for around $2500 and it suits my needs.
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i carry the band PA + some lighting, and my own personal Guitar and vocal gear.
Volvo V70 estate.
2 x panel floods + 2 x 8ch 15m snakes in rear footwells.
1 light stand bag and bag with 3x mic stands, 2 x guitar stands
2 QSC ksub
2 QSC K12
4u rack case with UI24
4u rack case with 5 way wireless IEM system
1 qsc k12 for mons,
1x qsc k8 for mons
2 x milk crate type boxes, 1 with power leads / extensions etc, 1 with XLR and 1/4 leads
1 small suit case size case containing receivers, mics, picks , tools, DB meter, cable checker, battery chargers
line 6 helix floorboard in full flight case, 2x guitars in soft bags.
2nd flight cased pedal board containg helix stomp+pedals in case of breakdown
computer bag with lap top for cat tethered connection and 2 ipads for wireless desk control.
and that still leaves the front passenger seat free.
Amazing really what you can get in a normal family car, if you plan it properly.
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I get this in a Honda CRV:
2 K12s
1 DXS15
XR18 in soft case
4-5 piece drumkit
Drum hardware case(I use a golf bag travel case with wheels)
Cymbal bag
Bag of mic stands and other various items
Mic soft case
laptop
Cable wrangler
folding cart
All this fits well when placed in precisely the same order. Now I just got a 6 space SKB rack for the XR18, plus a power conditioner and a rack drawer. It will take quite a bit of re-configuring, but I think I can still get it all in.
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Guys
2015 Honda Pilot: All of this lays on top of a drum rug, 2-PRX718, 2-PRX 812, 4-JBL MRX 512 Monitors, QU-16 in case, 1 case holding mic cables, 1 holding electric stuff
6 stands laying on the floor behind the seats, Also 2 speaker stands, 1 case holding a dozen mics and 4 Di's and 1 4space rack holding 2xti 4002's, 1- misc. case and a 16x4 100ft. snake in an old Yamaha drum case. It all fits, but barely.
Scott
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Quote from: Nathan Riddle on August 13, 2019, 04:53:03 pm
Art Welter's custom monitors (smaller and sound better than K12's)
?? I've not heard about these - DIY forum? - link? ... cheers
Martin,
Sorry, no build link, and Nathan owns the only four built in 2012. The plywood horns were a lot of work!
They use Eminence Alpha 8" and PSD 2002 HF drivers, some "leftovers" dating back to before the turn of the century.
Cute little things, but for really small DIY monitors I'd suggest using higher power 8" or 10" co-axial drivers.
Art
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Quote from: Nathan Riddle on August 13, 2019, 04:53:03 pm
Art Welter's custom monitors (smaller and sound better than K12's)Martin,
Sorry, no build link, and Nathan owns the only four built in 2012. The plywood horns were a lot of work!
They use Eminence Alpha 8" and PSD 2002 HF drivers, some "leftovers" dating back to before the turn of the century.
Cute little things, but for really small DIY monitors I'd suggest using higher power 8" or 10" co-axial drivers.
Art
Thanks Art, being a devout follower of your shenanigans I never saw this design. In the context of this thread, they look perfect for a small/lightweight setup.
Cheers
Martin
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+1 on using RCF NX12SMA's for both mains and monitors! Great speakers and pretty compact. Choose your sub du jour. Obviously a 16 channel digital option for a mixer. Lastly is cables, and those can fit in a couple of pelican style cases.
I have a 2001 Chevy S10 extended cab ( third door with a fold-down seat in the cab ) and I can fit 2 x JBL SRX 812's, 2 x JBL SRX 818's, a 16 space rolling rack, a rolling case with doghouse for a 16 channel digital mixer, 8 x RCF NX12SMA's, 4 x 16" pelican cases, 2 x 18" pelican cases, 3 mic cases and all my stands and loose power cables!!!!! Not one square inch of space is left and I have to drop the gate, but it all fits.
Full disclosure, I rent a trailer whenever I can. Will all that fit in an SUV? I think you can get a basic rig to fit without too much issue. I used to fit 2 X dual 15" speakers, 2 x monitors, an amp rack, a 16 channel mixer and all my mics, cables and stands into a, wait for it....... Chevy Cavalier!
Luke I use to think trailers were the bee's knees I could use my personal vehicle when we were out of vans.
However, parking and loading logistics are not worth it. Bigger trailers are worse. The other night a band with a 20 footer I think took 20 minutes to back it into the venue bay (old downtown hotel) then another 10 to get close to the dock. Of course there shit wasn't cased up so instead of a moderate push up a long ramp they handed all their gear up to the dock. Wr were next to it in out not dock height bkx truck with a ramp and I felt bad for them.
The wear and tear on a personal vehicle is not worth it. My first van was a $800 Chevy venture. 3 years and 70k miles, brakes I did myself, tires, battery and a water pump were all I had to do. So much easier in a flat floor van.
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Luke I use to think trailers were the bee's knees I could use my personal vehicle when we were out of vans.
However, parking and loading logistics are not worth it. Bigger trailers are worse. The other night a band with a 20 footer I think took 20 minutes to back it into the venue bay (old downtown hotel) then another 10 to get close to the dock. Of course there shit wasn't cased up so instead of a moderate push up a long ramp they handed all their gear up to the dock. Wr were next to it in out not dock height bkx truck with a ramp and I felt bad for them.
The wear and tear on a personal vehicle is not worth it. My first van was a $800 Chevy venture. 3 years and 70k miles, brakes I did myself, tires, battery and a water pump were all I had to do. So much easier in a flat floor van.
Agreed! I used to trailer and after the expense of burned transmission and other wear and tear, that practice is no more. Instead of finding compact gear that I can cram into some tiny vehicle - that undoubtedly will need to be lifted there, I now just use old vans that you can get super cheap. My current one cost me less than $1000. Everything in road cases that can ramp up into the van. Load in and load out is SO much faster that way. I can be in and out of a loading dock in 10 minutes. Venues love that.
So, now instead of trying to find the smallest possible gear, finding the most modular sized gear is what's important to me. If I could find subs that matched the pack width of my standard 19" racks, that would make me one happy camper!
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Agreed! I used to trailer and after the expense of burned transmission and other wear and tear, that practice is no more. Instead of finding compact gear that I can cram into some tiny vehicle - that undoubtedly will need to be lifted there, I now just use old vans that you can get super cheap. My current one cost me less than $1000. Everything in road cases that can ramp up into the van. Load in and load out is SO much faster that way. I can be in and out of a loading dock in 10 minutes. Venues love that.
So, now instead of trying to find the smallest possible gear, finding the most modular sized gear is what's important to me. If I could find subs that matched the pack width of my standard 19" racks, that would make me one happy camper!
My first PA vehicle was a Ford EconoLemon. The citrus experience was mostly my fault as a young guy with more aspirations that $$ after I spent on PA... I was really good about overloading (hey, there's still some air space in there!). As a result of putting 10 lbs of stuff in a 5 lbs bag, I got good at swapping rear axles/differentials while the van was held up by the wrecker...
These days I do zero of my own automotive repairs. I think I had an amateur's lifetime of that 30 years ago.
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Agreed! I used to trailer and after the expense of burned transmission and other wear and tear, that practice is no more. Instead of finding compact gear that I can cram into some tiny vehicle - that undoubtedly will need to be lifted there, I now just use old vans that you can get super cheap. My current one cost me less than $1000. Everything in road cases that can ramp up into the van. Load in and load out is SO much faster that way. I can be in and out of a loading dock in 10 minutes. Venues love that.
So, now instead of trying to find the smallest possible gear, finding the most modular sized gear is what's important to me. If I could find subs that matched the pack width of my standard 19" racks, that would make me one happy camper!
Everyone focuses on light and small but you are right, the key is everything in cases, nothing lose. Small speakers ride on cases. Bigger speakers get wheelboards.
Long ramps are your friend too. Then you can do it by yourself. I am still a little too broken down to do it fast enough by myself but I swear next summer I am losing this weight and getting in shape.
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the key is everything in cases, nothing lose.
Absolutely. Earlier this year, I converted an old amp rack case into a road case. Turned it through 90 degrees and put the wheels on what was once the front or back.
Everything which isn't a speaker, mixer or mic stand goes in it. For my little system for folk/acoustic events (subs, tops, two monitors) I have just eight things to load/unload.
And when this case is emptied, the lid goes back on and the mixer sits on top.
Steve.
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My S10 makes nothing but $$$$ for me!!!! I currently have 200,500 miles on it and it has been my fleet vehicle since 2004 when it had 12,700 miles when I got it. It can haul an impressive amount of gear. Trailering for me is usually scoped out first of course. Most hotel venues in my area can't handle an 8 piece band and the associated equipment desired by them. But seeing as how I can get 8 monitors, 2 mains, 2 subs, a full size rack, and a 16 channel mixer case and all the peripherals into this thing is nothing short of crazy, yet amazing. Not fun either really. Using a trailer when applicable, which for most of my gigs it can be accommodated, is nice. While having a Van or other larger vehicle would be preferable, the S10 for me pulls double duty as my transport vehicle for me to go to my Freelance gigs. It gets me from Santa Barbara to LA quite often. I do a couple of gigs monthly in San Diego too where I travel using the S10. So This keeps me from needing 2 vehicles.
Keep in mind it doesn't rain much in Cali, so the weather isn't usually a factor for me, and again a trailer isn't hard to get. I still feel a pickup truck at the small scale is the best utilitarian vehicle to have.
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Honda “Haul-a-Matic” (Odyssey) here! It’s been one heck of a workhorse, purchased new in 2010 and only changed tires, brakes, Oil (Trans & Engine) and Power Steerng Pump (Mfgr recall item).
Before becoming a 1-man SoundCo, used it to haul 8-10 Taiko Drums for our Japanese Taiko Drum group - as well as out-of-town family members who needed that typical NYC siteseeing thingy.
Today, I can get 3 PRX718XLF’s, 2 PRX712’s, 4 PRX612’s (For Monitors f necessary), Stands (Speaker/Light/Mic), Blizzard Lights, UI24 (or SI Desk), Cabling, Mic Case, Wireless Rack, Tool box and foldable ramp with room to spare. Everything is on wheels so roll in / roll out is quick.......relatively speaking...
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Honda “Haul-a-Matic” (Odyssey) here! It’s been one heck of a workhorse, purchased new in 2010 and only changed tires, brakes, Oil (Trans & Engine) and Power Steerng Pump (Mfgr recall item).
My Odyssey is 2003 with 190K miles. 16 years of wedding/corporate use, hauling Srx700 system tops and subs, amp rack, mics, two keyboards, etc. Breakdowns could be catastrophic for a wedding date! So I have pumped $ into it’s smooth running, including new transmission, but I don’t repair external big dents, and it looks like a beat to death trash vehicle that can’t possibly have anything of value in it.
Wheelchair ramp is the best piece of gear I’ve ever purchased.
The thing about Odyssey (and I bet other brands) is that the more recent models have added comfort and seating convenience at the cost of reduced cargo capacity. Just something to be aware of.
To me, Minivans seem like a different class of vehicle from what most people regard as a SUV. But for PA and keyboard rig in one vehicle (!), minivan looks like the minimum. YMMV.
Looking at a variety of SUVs, I notice that the rear or side entrances are often not tall enough to load a 12U rack on casters. I keep on thinking I’ll move to smaller modular racks with Ethernet interconnects, but, I keep returning to the 12-space on wheels.
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I have never understood SUV. What sport can you play in a car? Same with sports jackets!
Steve.
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2 x RCF ART 722
1 x RCF ART 705AS
4 x RCF ART 710 - for monitors
1 sports bag of cables
1 sports bag of mics/DIs/ephemera
XR18 in Gator soft bag
Mic stand bag
Speaker stand bag
All fits in a Vauxhall Vectra hatchback with space for 1 passenger, plus a little more luggage if required. 12 units to transport at the other end. As I'm manning/handling the kit, soft bags/cases save a load of weight, pack tighter and do the job.
For smaller jobs I'll remove the sub and a couple of tops/monitors. At that point I can carry three passengers.
I was always intrigued by Flare Audio speakers (https://www.flareaudio.com/pages/pro-audio) which appeared to break the laws of physics. 18" subs only 513 x 513 x 261mm and 12" tops only 497 x 382 x 167mm. Pure sorcery - a sub plus top system that would fit on the back seat of a small hatchback. Unfortunately, I think the laws of physics were the winners in the end. Their marketing was always vague, and the one conversation I had with one of their guys was bullshit city, and they're now focussing mainly on their magic titanium earplugs. Clearly, if it appears too good to be true...
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Quote from: Nathan Riddle on August 13, 2019, 04:53:03 pm
Art Welter's custom monitors (smaller and sound better than K12's)Martin,
I'd suggest using higher power 8" or 10" co-axial drivers.
Art
Are you still living in Florida? - stay safe Art ...
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Are you still living in Florida? - stay safe Art ...
Still here, still safe, still watching the weather forecasts predicting hurricane Dorian will arrive here another day later each morning...