| Phil Lewandowski wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 15:05 |
| Franz Francis wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 09:03 |
Finally, as soon as you are financially capable:}:} get yourself another TH-118 they work better in pairs or more with the mouths coupled together
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Hey,
Just wanted to note that with the tapped horn that you don't see the slight extra LF extension that you would see with a normal horn sub when the mouth is made larger by coupling. So coupling 2 TH-118's wouldn't have any effect beyond the normal ~6dB in output you see with any speaker where you get have complete summation.
That is one cool thing about the tapped horn is it is designed to get the lowest LF corner out of the smallest box, so it is already optimized for that.
But I would still say getting another TH-118 is a great idea, since headroom is great. 
Take Care,
Phil
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You are correct about the additional cabinet changing the loading and extension of the tapped horn-specifically the TH118 (and others like it).
However you DO get additional gains with more cabinets stacked up. This comes from the additional boundary area (created by the front of the cabinet that is not part of the actual exit) that acts as the old "barn doors" of days past.
This is because with the boundaries the energy is more "focused/directed" forward.
Now the effect of this will vary with the physical size of the stack.
That is the whole idea behind the TH812-and if you use a pair of the TH812 (each turned 90
You are exactly correct. The low freq corner (as referenced to the sensitivity) doesn't get any lower with added cabinets (as with a regular horn), but the low freq do get louder-which can make the overall sound to appear to be going lower.
It is all where your reference is.
The added "wings" do give more forward directivity than a regular horn would have.
Everything in audio is a tradeoff.
Maybe it's time for Danley to up their prices before they risk becoming a gold-plated DJ brand like Bassmaxx. Electronic music doesn't provide the best basis for fidelity and musicality claims.
| Rory Buszka wrote on Fri, 18 June 2010 18:21 |
Maybe it's time for Danley to up their prices before they risk becoming a gold-plated DJ brand like Bassmaxx. Electronic music doesn't provide the best basis for fidelity and musicality claims.
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Fatuous drivel. I'd use the rolling eye emoticon on you but that also would be fatuous drivel.
| Mike Pyle wrote on Mon, 21 June 2010 03:47 |
| Rory Buszka wrote on Fri, 18 June 2010 18:21 |
Maybe it's time for Danley to up their prices before they risk becoming a gold-plated DJ brand like Bassmaxx. Electronic music doesn't provide the best basis for fidelity and musicality claims.
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Fatuous drivel. I'd use the rolling eye emoticon on you but that also would be fatuous drivel.
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+1
In fairness, the difference between Danley and Bassmaxx is that in the case of Bassmaxx, the damage is already done; they've pigeon-holed themselves as a DJ brand (top-tier, but still a DJ brand) right on their own website, with features like "DJs raving on Bassmaxx" and "Ultra Fest 2009". Danley isn't there yet; they at least seem to be doing well in the installed sound market, though their products could benefit from a cosmetic facelift, like custom-punched grilles. These things don't increase performance, but they do increase perceived value.
The only people who wouldn't benefit from a small price increase across the Danley product line are the people who are just barely able to afford Danley gear as things currently stand. Danley's existing customer base would benefit because the value of their investment just went up, and fewer people can play in their league. Prospective Danley customers would feel they're buying into a more exclusive club (closer to the level of the larger brands like EAW and JBL), and are buying a product that's of greater value. And, of course, Danley would benefit from an improved brand image (since fewer of the people who have no business owning gear of that level would actually end up owning and misusing it; witness the tragedy of the Peavey brand) and increased profit.
| Rory Buszka wrote on Tue, 22 June 2010 01:20 |
In fairness, the difference between Danley and Bassmaxx is that in the case of Bassmaxx, the damage is already done; they've pigeon-holed themselves as a DJ brand (top-tier, but still a DJ brand) right on their own website, with features like "DJs raving on Bassmaxx" and "Ultra Fest 2009". Danley isn't there yet; they at least seem to be doing well in the installed sound market, though their products could benefit from a cosmetic facelift, like custom-punched grilles. These things don't increase performance, but they do increase perceived value.
The only people who wouldn't benefit from a small price increase across the Danley product line are the people who are just barely able to afford Danley gear as things currently stand. Danley's existing customer base would benefit because the value of their investment just went up, and fewer people can play in their league. Prospective Danley customers would feel they're buying into a more exclusive club (closer to the level of the larger brands like EAW and JBL), and are buying a product that's of greater value. And, of course, Danley would benefit from an improved brand image (since fewer of the people who have no business owning gear of that level would actually end up owning and misusing it; witness the tragedy of the Peavey brand) and increased profit.
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Rory,
Being the little guy's I am very aware of the things I see other folks do well and not so well. We did bordered grills for a while and due to slow turn around time frames,where our supplier couldn't meet demand, we switched to the grilles we use now. I can't say we've had anyone complain about the switch but your point is well taken.
Thanks,
Mike Hedden
Danley Sound Labs,Inc.
| Rory Buszka wrote on Mon, 21 June 2010 20:20 |
In fairness, the difference between Danley and Bassmaxx is that in the case of Bassmaxx, the damage is already done; they've pigeon-holed themselves as a DJ brand (top-tier, but still a DJ brand) right on their own website, with features like "DJs raving on Bassmaxx" and "Ultra Fest 2009". Danley isn't there yet; they at least seem to be doing well in the installed sound market, though their products could benefit from a cosmetic facelift, like custom-punched grilles. These things don't increase performance, but they do increase perceived value.
The only people who wouldn't benefit from a small price increase across the Danley product line are the people who are just barely able to afford Danley gear as things currently stand. Danley's existing customer base would benefit because the value of their investment just went up, and fewer people can play in their league. Prospective Danley customers would feel they're buying into a more exclusive club (closer to the level of the larger brands like EAW and JBL), and are buying a product that's of greater value. And, of course, Danley would benefit from an improved brand image (since fewer of the people who have no business owning gear of that level would actually end up owning and misusing it; witness the tragedy of the Peavey brand) and increased profit.
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Peavey tragic? Infra dig, cornball, lowest common denominator marketing, sure, but they've done rather well.
Perhaps Bassmaxx has concluded that it is profitable to have its main target market to be the club/rave scene, just as Funktion One has done in Europe.
And perhaps Danley's site has Biblical quotes in order to be looked upon favorably by the large church install market.
| Rory Buszka wrote on Mon, 21 June 2010 20:20 |
In fairness, the difference between Danley and Bassmaxx is that in the case of Bassmaxx, the damage is already done; they've pigeon-holed themselves as a DJ brand (top-tier, but still a DJ brand) right on their own website, with features like "DJs raving on Bassmaxx" and "Ultra Fest 2009". Danley isn't there yet; they at least seem to be doing well in the installed sound market, though their products could benefit from a cosmetic facelift, like custom-punched grilles. These things don't increase performance, but they do increase perceived value.
The only people who wouldn't benefit from a small price increase across the Danley product line are the people who are just barely able to afford Danley gear as things currently stand. Danley's existing customer base would benefit because the value of their investment just went up, and fewer people can play in their league. Prospective Danley customers would feel they're buying into a more exclusive club (closer to the level of the larger brands like EAW and JBL), and are buying a product that's of greater value. And, of course, Danley would benefit from an improved brand image (since fewer of the people who have no business owning gear of that level would actually end up owning and misusing it; witness the tragedy of the Peavey brand) and increased profit.
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This whole concept seems a little elitist to me but it's your opinion and I don't care... the price tag of this gear and others in its class is already far out of the price range of the many DJs I know. Some of them don't look or care for this kind of sound quality but I do so I did. 
Now if your whole agenda was to climb aboard this review thread and hate on the fact that a DJ has a piece of top-notch gear he has no business owning, then shame on you... you get the rolling eye emoticon... 
Danley's website already has plenty of church, coliseum, arena, stadium and theatre references to not be mistaken for GC quality stuff.
If it makes you feel better: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a& hs=YvW&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=DJ+site% 3Awww.danleysoundlabs.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= &gs_rfai=
+1 Reggie.... Mr. Rory Buszka's input to this thread places him in the category of those who will make the final decision on a piece of audio gear based on cosmetics, brand name and pricing. Not by fidelity.
There are so many consumers out there who seem to be brainwashed by the brand name.
Franz
Well if you try this way then is totally different game now 
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a& rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=DJ+site%3A+www.danl eysoundlabs.com&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&a mp;oq=&gs_rfai=
LoL... none of those sites are Danley websites.
| Franz Francis wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 15:39 |
+1 Reggie.... Mr. Rory Buszka's input to this thread places him in the category of those who will make the final decision on a piece of audio gear based on cosmetics, brand name and pricing. Not by fidelity.
There are so many consumers out there who seem to be brainwashed by the brand name.
Franz
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While I generally agree with your sentiment I'm very glad it's DSL speakers that appeal to me and my needs and not so much BassMaxx's (too big for my purposes). I would hate to have to buy speakers called "BassMaxx"....sorry, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't matter. Not that I wouldn't buy them if they were perfect for me and I have no doubt from reading this forum that they make some very good speakers...but man, that name is just bad IMO.
Frederik Rosenkj
| Rory Buszka wrote on Mon, 21 June 2010 18:20 |
In fairness, the difference between Danley and Bassmaxx is that in the case of Bassmaxx, the damage is already done; they've pigeon-holed themselves as a DJ brand (top-tier, but still a DJ brand) right on their own website, with features like "DJs raving on Bassmaxx" and "Ultra Fest 2009". Danley isn't there yet; they at least seem to be doing well in the installed sound market, though their products could benefit from a cosmetic facelift, like custom-punched grilles. These things don't increase performance, but they do increase perceived value.
The only people who wouldn't benefit from a small price increase across the Danley product line are the people who are just barely able to afford Danley gear as things currently stand. Danley's existing customer base would benefit because the value of their investment just went up, and fewer people can play in their league. Prospective Danley customers would feel they're buying into a more exclusive club (closer to the level of the larger brands like EAW and JBL), and are buying a product that's of greater value. And, of course, Danley would benefit from an improved brand image (since fewer of the people who have no business owning gear of that level would actually end up owning and misusing it; witness the tragedy of the Peavey brand) and increased profit.
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What is it with you giving unsolicited business advice to Danley again? Now you add Bassmaxx to your list of companies whose business models don't measure up to your expectations. Too bad Hartley Peavey didn't have you around when he started, eh?
The need to vicariously "fix" other companies is strange, especially from someone with precious little expertise to offer. Didn't you learn your lesson last time?
Don't start down this road again and have to become - again. This time you can't delete all your posts.
http://srforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/m/122838/503/#msg_ 122838
Dave, I don't see why my expressing an opinion or observation about a company or its products/marketing/technology/etc. should bother you one bit unless you have some grounds to disagree (and then by all means do so) or unless you have some large vested interest (in which case you'd better come up with a real counterargument quickly instead of trying to attack my legitimacy). The Internet is a place that very nearly anyone can go to express their opinions, and in my opinion, a glowing review from a DJ who owns ONE TH-118 doesn't do very much to improve the image of the Danley brand unless the target market of the Danley brand is DJs who intend to purchase only one box. I could be way off, but I don't think that's exactly Danley's target market. So while the positive comments from those customers are nice, they carry very little weight when a large system provider or installation contractor is considering whether to purchase a large inventory or carry the brand.
Regarding Bassmaxx and Peavey: Bassmaxx may make fantastic speakers for every conceivable application and which are well suited to every type of musical program, but a visitor to their web site might never have any idea, since their current website screams "We design for and sell to DJs; DJs-R-Us" and this very topic has come up in another thread. This is an opportunity for Bassmaxx to improve -- they should remove references to DJ end-users in prominent locations on their web site and hide those references somewhere else, such as a testimonials page, unless they're satisfied with being pigeon-holed as a gold-plated DJ brand. They ought to use that valuable front-page real estate for product information. And Peavey makes some excellent pro-level gear, but the very fact that their brand name is associated with weekend warrior and garage band end-users will prevent them from ever gaining meaningful traction at the varsity level, no matter how competent their Versarray rigs are or how many events they sponsor. They cannot simultaneously occupy both markets, and instead IMO they ought to make use of their Crest Audio brand, which does have pro-level clout, to market the upper-echelon speaker systems they seem to want to produce. In pro audio, brand positioning is vital, crucial, and critical to success at a particular price point, because it helps the consumer have some idea of what performance/quality/support they will get, and every manufacturer who has attempted to break the mold in that regard by trying to serve all levels of the pro audio market from a single brand has historically done poorly and is continuing to do poorly, with perhaps the exception of JBL, and that's because the JBL brand still has a lot of reputation left to be frittered away on MI-level product.
Regarding my abrupt exit from this forum's politics in 2007, I didn't think it made sense for me to stick by my controversial opinions at the expense of membership on this forum, because at that point I thought that membership was of some value to my professional development, but that viewpoint is very rapidly on the decline in my mind. (And while my personal desire is to see Danley succeed, I still think their branding could use a little work. It's distinctive, but that's all, and Walt Disney still wants his 'D' back, but I can respect the company's desire to focus on products and not marketing at this point.) In hindsight, I regret compromising my opinions for the sake of popularity, though I still think it was prudent to lay low for a while after that big blow-up.
| Rory Buszka wrote on Sun, 27 June 2010 16:40 |
Dave, I don't see why my expressing an opinion or observation about a company or its products/marketing/technology/etc. should bother you one bit unless you have some grounds to disagree (and then by all means do so) or unless you have some large vested interest (in which case you'd better come up with a real counterargument quickly instead of trying to attack my legitimacy). The Internet is a place that very nearly anyone can go to express their opinions, and in my opinion, a glowing review from a DJ who owns ONE TH-118 doesn't do very much to improve the image of the Danley brand unless the target market of the Danley brand is DJs who intend to purchase only one box. I could be way off, but I don't think that's exactly Danley's target market. So while the positive comments from those customers are nice, they carry very little weight when a large system provider or installation contractor is considering whether to purchase a large inventory or carry the brand.
Regarding Bassmaxx and Peavey: Bassmaxx may make fantastic speakers for every conceivable application and which are well suited to every type of musical program, but a visitor to their web site might never have any idea, since their current website screams "We design for and sell to DJs; DJs-R-Us" and this very topic has come up in another thread. This is an opportunity for Bassmaxx to improve -- they should remove references to DJ end-users in prominent locations on their web site and hide those references somewhere else, such as a testimonials page, unless they're satisfied with being pigeon-holed as a gold-plated DJ brand. They ought to use that valuable front-page real estate for product information. And Peavey makes some excellent pro-level gear, but the very fact that their brand name is associated with weekend warrior and garage band end-users will prevent them from ever gaining meaningful traction at the varsity level, no matter how competent their Versarray rigs are or how many events they sponsor. They cannot simultaneously occupy both markets, and instead IMO they ought to make use of their Crest Audio brand, which does have pro-level clout, to market the upper-echelon speaker systems they seem to want to produce. In pro audio, brand positioning is vital, crucial, and critical to success at a particular price point, because it helps the consumer have some idea of what performance/quality/support they will get, and every manufacturer who has attempted to break the mold in that regard by trying to serve all levels of the pro audio market from a single brand has historically done poorly and is continuing to do poorly, with perhaps the exception of JBL, and that's because the JBL brand still has a lot of reputation left to be frittered away on MI-level product.
Regarding my abrupt exit from this forum's politics in 2007, I didn't think it made sense for me to stick by my controversial opinions at the expense of membership on this forum, because at that point I thought that membership was of some value to my professional development, but that viewpoint is very rapidly on the decline in my mind. (And while my personal desire is to see Danley succeed, I still think their branding could use a little work. It's distinctive, but that's all, and Walt Disney still wants his 'D' back, but I can respect the company's desire to focus on products and not marketing at this point.) In hindsight, I regret compromising my opinions for the sake of popularity, though I still think it was prudent to lay low for a while after that big blow-up.
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I guess you still don't get it.
Have fun, good luck.
Well, I just got home with a new addition to the family... my 2nd TH-118.
I've got them coupled in my rectangular-shaped basement and the output is ridiculous! I first turned the sensitivity knob up on amp channel 1. Of course the bass was sick but then I turned up the 2nd amp channel and the bass was deafening, thunderous and all those other good superlatives. I was nowhere near the limit thresholds and had to turn it down. My neighbors were all at work but my immediate neighbor just had a baby and I'm sure she could feel it... don't want my babies to wake her baby 
I'm officially good on my sound setup. I may want to get another DSP. I want one on with the ability to inverse polarity, no turnoff thump + longer delay capability.
I'll be taking both subs to my residency this weekend and putting them inline to augment their sound system.
Thanx Ivan for taking time out of your schedule to demo the Synergy stuff and answer questions.
You get used to it after a while. The minor shame is more than mitigated by the looks of awes when people hear them used properly. [/quote]
As I have eluded to in previous posts in other threads;
I'm left somehow wondering WHO CARES what silly little badge is hot glued to mine/your/their rig...
Deployed properly, for given price awarded, sounds good (enough, see price awarded), No beating chest gorilla style needed....
Peavey and Bassmaxx et al may have tapped into something you big boys miss..
Alot of aspiring DJ's spend ALOT of money building and expanding their rigs..
Witness; There is a certain chain store, with a showroom full of bronze/silver/gold " DJ " level gear, in most major cities nationwide, probably around the corner from you.
Wouldn't it be funny if the rider for given artist SPECIFIED Bassmaxx because they know all the hot DJ's are spinning their hit(s) on them every night at ground zero??
LOL. That's the first time I've heard someone refer to Peavy and Bassmaxx in a similar vein. Ross, just so you have an idea of who and what Bassmaxx is:
http://www.bassmaxx.com/index.php?option=com_content&tas k=view&id=28&Itemid=53
PS Bassmaxx is not sold at Guitar Center.
| Pascal Pincosy wrote on Wed, 13 October 2010 22:36 |
LOL. That's the first time I've heard someone refer to Peavy and Bassmaxx in a similar vein. Ross, just so you have an idea of who and what Bassmaxx is:
PS Bassmaxx is not sold at Guitar Center.
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I bet they wish they were...  While I wouldn't expect them to admit that publicly.
JR
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