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I just added an X32 rack to add to inventory. I went to download the firmware this morning and see that v3.04 is now available. Downloading it now. Dugan time!! :)
Release notes:
3.04 (2016-08-24):
improvements:
- PREV cue button function fixed
- gate and dyn module gain graphs always show active gain curve (in grey when module is not active)
- automix gain reduction meter scaling corrected
3.00 (2016-08-04):
improvements:
- indication of available outputs on routing page corrected for models with 8 outs
- fixed issue with send mutes when dca bank was selected in sends on fader mode
- compatibility with new editor version
- rearranged screen encoders on sends page for consistency
- show/snippet name redraw issue fixed
- monitor metering point changed (to indicate output clipping)
- channel name/icon no longer copied (odd->even) when link is activated
- -action/clearsolo now also deactivates key solo
new features:
- 8 channel (1..8 ) automixing with two groups
- phase invert on outputs, aux, aes/ebu, P16
- xover filter types on main and mono/center
- x-touch remote control (MIDI/Ethernet)
X32 downloads: http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Digital-Mixers/X32/p/P0ASF/downloads (http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Behringer/Mixers/Digital-Mixers/X32/p/P0ASF/downloads)
M32 downloads: http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Midas/Mixers/Digital-Mixers/M32/p/P0B3I/downloads (http://www.music-group.com/Categories/Midas/Mixers/Digital-Mixers/M32/p/P0B3I/downloads)
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Sorry. But it looks like it should have been called Version 2.2. I'm underwhelmed!
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Sorry. But it looks like it should have been called Version 2.2. I'm underwhelmed!
Yep. A few useful but expected new features, but no big surprises. I'm glad to have auto-mixing and the ability to use an X-touch in my arsenal now though. X-over filters on the main and mono busses will be useful for people who don't use matrices for their speaker outputs.
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Sorry. But it looks like it should have been called Version 2.2. I'm underwhelmed!
+1. Automix is useless to me.
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The X32 mix app is a DOWNGRADE if you ask me. Looks a lot more like the Xair garbage. Lack of using color to tell you what's going on. Using a scroll bar to get to different channels is so unbelievably cumbersome. Yes, there are other improvements, but that one alone just burns me.
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The X32 mix app is a DOWNGRADE if you ask me. Looks a lot more like the Xair garbage. Lack of using color to tell you what's going on. Using a scroll bar to get to different channels is so unbelievably cumbersome. Yes, there are other improvements, but that one alone just burns me.
Well, while you can have all of the 80 available faders in one row scrollable, have you examined the options?
There are eight user configurable fader views. You can easily fit 32 faders on a normal 4:3 monitor and the right hand view can be collapsed to show you even more faders. On my 13" mbp 2009 I can fit 63 faders in one row. They become very small but imagine this on some 27" 16:9 monitor.
There are so much color indicators like the on/off of the dyn/gate/eq, buses show the assigned scribble color. When engaging SoF the entire fader bank show the color of the bus scribble. The sends overview is even color coded to the scribble colors.
Bus names are populated throughout the application and on the righthand view you can even show their scribble names.
The app can be resized to any liking. Full overview of all sends. Dyn/gate GR for all faders in the main view for quick assesment of the current mix.
Floating windows for all fx, routing, metering, monitor, show control, library and utility windows giving you a full experience on multiple monitors.
A much better routing overview to quickly grasp how routing is setup.
You now even get hot-keys to control many functions.
And then some....
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Here is an old picture from my mbp 2009 running dual-screen on 4:3 monitors.
Plenty of faders 8)
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Multiple windows are nice.
Has anyone upgraded to the new firmware yet? I stopped being a guinea pig for updates years ago.
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+1. Automix is useless to me.
Automix is the reason I'll be taking an X32 to a major transportation safety conference next month.
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Multiple windows are nice.
Has anyone upgraded to the new firmware yet? I stopped being a guinea pig for updates years ago.
I updated my X32 Rack last night. All my config, scenes and libraries are intact. Other than playing some tracks and hooking up a mic I haven't had a chance to do much more but so far the update doesn't seem to have broken anything I was already doing or using. I have not updated my iPad and I don't know if the last update to Mixing Station (about a week ago) is V3 happy or not. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to see.
In general I was hoping for a couple 'major features' to roll out with this update. I guess we'll see what happens at the v3.1 mark.
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Sorry. But it looks like it should have been called Version 2.2. I'm underwhelmed!
Party of one for Art
In context with the new edit app the X32 now just doubled it's value proposition and has features not available in control software of consoles 10 times it's price.
I find a lot if irony that one of the least expensive consoles has some of the best software. It makes sense that the much larger Music Group has better software resources than dedicated console manufacturers. Yamaha just has no excuse for the software they put out (Yamaha fans start the flame war).
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I updated my X32 Rack last night. All my config, scenes and libraries are intact. Other than playing some tracks and hooking up a mic I haven't had a chance to do much more but so far the update doesn't seem to have broken anything I was already doing or using. I have not updated my iPad and I don't know if the last update to Mixing Station (about a week ago) is V3 happy or not. Hopefully I'll have time tomorrow to see.
In general I was hoping for a couple 'major features' to roll out with this update. I guess we'll see what happens at the v3.1 mark.
It's great the console software will work with the old control software I have the opposite problem. If I upgrade my tablet what about all the walk up gigs I get that will still be on 2.x ??
What features are you still looking for Tim that you believe are achievable with the CPU bandwidth and DSP resources in place?
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Party of one for Art
In context with the new edit app the X32 now just doubled it's value proposition and has features not available in control software of consoles 10 times it's price.
I find a lot if irony that one of the least expensive consoles has some of the best software. It makes sense that the much larger Music Group has better software resources than dedicated console manufacturers. Yamaha just has no excuse for the software they put out (Yamaha fans start the flame war).
I'm not sure why but Yamaha has traditionally been kind of lame at getting the "inside" software to be presentable to humans on the "outside" of the console. What they do inside the machine is stable and reliable but controlling that from another device is not Yamaha's claim to fame. :(
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I'm not sure why but Yamaha has traditionally been kind of lame at getting the "inside" software to be presentable to humans on the "outside" of the console. What they do inside the machine is stable and reliable but controlling that from another device is not Yamaha's claim to fame. :(
Yes I will absolutely add that caveat that I am talking about the user/presentation layer not the underlying system.
Even the double page glossy trade press on the Rivage you can see at least three different UI paradigms taking place in front of you. You would think they would have a team to manage the commonality of the UI between development efforts.
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It's great the console software will work with the old control software I have the opposite problem. If I upgrade my tablet what about all the walk up gigs I get that will still be on 2.x ??
What features are you still looking for Tim that you believe are achievable with the CPU bandwidth and DSP resources in place?
To amplify a bit: I backed up my configs, show/scenes and libraries to a USB stick before updating the mixer. When it was done with the update all my existing stuff was still on the mixer and appears to be unchanged. This makes me smile already, Scott.
That said, I haven't tried to control the mixer with anything external - not the PC app, the i-thing app or David Giga's Mixingstation. I'll know more later tonight or sometime tomorrow.
The new X32 Edit for PC isn't "Apple-pretty" but it put a lot more stuff on screen and so far, makes it appear to be very manageable. I'm not sure what folks were expecting....
I wasn't looking for anything specific, but there has been a 2year+ thread over at Soundforums for suggestions about V3 feature additions. The automixer was one that got a fair bit of traction; another request with more than 1 supporter (/sarc) was for auto-tune (shudder). I'm not wanting autotune in any form but I bet it would sell consoles...
One thing I'd love to have on the physical mixers is a way to assign the input EQ filter type selection to a rotary control so I don't have to step thru them, live.
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Automix is the reason I'll be taking an X32 to a major transportation safety conference next month.
Great if you need it, useless to me.
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Wouldn't an X-Air be smaller or do you need an actual desk?
I need a full console. Panel discussion, moderator, audience Q&A along with VDO playback, DVD rolls and the usual AV stuff.
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To amplify a bit: I backed up my configs, show/scenes and libraries to a USB stick before updating the mixer. When it was done with the update all my existing stuff was still on the mixer and appears to be unchanged. This makes me smile already, Scott.
That said, I haven't tried to control the mixer with anything external - not the PC app, the i-thing app or David Giga's Mixingstation. I'll know more later tonight or sometime tomorrow.
One thing I'd love to have on the physical mixers is a way to assign the input EQ filter type selection to a rotary control so I don't have to step thru them, live.
Mixing station has a drop down menu and you can choose the filter types. The iPad options suck as when you scroll thru filters you would NEVER use in that situation come up. Makes changing filters while audio is passing a non option.
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To amplify a bit: I backed up my configs, show/scenes and libraries to a USB stick before updating the mixer. When it was done with the update all my existing stuff was still on the mixer and appears to be unchanged. This makes me smile already, Scott.
One thing I'd love to have on the physical mixers is a way to assign the input EQ filter type selection to a rotary control so I don't have to step thru them, live.
I have over 80 scenes at one of our venues and the same bands rotate through. These are fairly well vetted scenes so that is an issue for me too. One thing I have never figured out is how to backup all the scenes at once. I have tried the show backup but it didn't do what I thought it would (restore all the scenes). This was awhile ago so maybe that has been fixed.
The rotary control is already implemented by the soft encoder on the screen. If you hit view in the EQ section the far left soft know selects the EQ type. I don't have the board in front of me but the change doesn't take effect until you press the encoder, the same way as an insert or an effect type modification flows.
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I have over 80 scenes at one of our venues and the same bands rotate through. These are fairly well vetted scenes so that is an issue for me too. One thing I have never figured out is how to backup all the scenes at once. I have tried the show backup but it didn't do what I thought it would (restore all the scenes).
If you have all the scenes loaded as Cues in the Show, and "Show" set as your default mode, and then export the Show, doesn't that save all the Scenes in the Scene list? That's what I always thought it would/should do, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Mixing station has a drop down menu and you can choose the filter types. The iPad options suck as when you scroll thru filters you would NEVER use in that situation come up. Makes changing filters while audio is passing a non option.
John, does it fix the iPad mute discrepancy, where there was a difference between what is shown on the iPad and what is actually occurring (maybe only in the Matrix)? I remember you were having problems with that, and is why I never upgraded the app/firmware to the latest.
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I need a full console. Panel discussion, moderator, audience Q&A along with VDO playback, DVD rolls and the usual AV stuff.
I haven't done one of those since 96, no automix...PM3K and quick hands and working the kinks out in rehearsals.
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It's great the console software will work with the old control software I have the opposite problem. If I upgrade my tablet what about all the walk up gigs I get that will still be on 2.x ??
The ipad app should be backwards compatible with firmware 2.16 and above.
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Dugan time!! :)
I think you mean "Dugan-style time"...
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Wow, I'm really liking the ability to have the custom fader layers, and even be able to move the faders into whatever order I like on the edit app. I almost went with the GLD over the M32, that feature being one of the reasons. Now if only there were a way to translate that over to the console's physical faders...
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I think you mean "Dugan-style time"...
:-D
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I am a newbie to the X32/M32 platform, having mixed on them only a handful of times. But, our band just took delivery of an M32 last week, which I have updated to 2.16. I loaded a saved scene file from the board into the latest PC editing software last night, and that all seemed to work fine. I was looking for a way to print a channel patch list, but I couldn't find that option. I freely confess that I have not consulted any documentation or online help, so is anyone willing to help me? Is there a "print" menu somewhere that I over looked?
Use case: On our LS9 we started at channel 1 with the kick and worked our way up, but on the M32 we will be putting the kick in 17 and starting the instruments in channel 1, so a printout of the new assignments would be helpful for the first few gigs.
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Now, if they would just release a new version of the M32-Q(Cue) app, I'd be a happy camper...
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Wow, I'm really liking the ability to have the custom fader layers, and even be able to move the faders into whatever order I like on the edit app. I almost went with the GLD over the M32, that feature being one of the reasons. Now if only there were a way to translate that over to the console's physical faders...
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Those of us using Mixstation, or listening to the glowing accolades placed upon the software by other users have been doing this for over a year. It's nice Behringing caught up but I don't see giving up Mixstation.
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I am a newbie to the X32/M32 platform, having mixed on them only a handful of times. But, our band just took delivery of an M32 last week, which I have updated to 2.16. I loaded a saved scene file from the board into the latest PC editing software last night, and that all seemed to work fine. I was looking for a way to print a channel patch list, but I couldn't find that option. I freely confess that I have not consulted any documentation or online help, so is anyone willing to help me? Is there a "print" menu somewhere that I over looked?
Use case: On our LS9 we started at channel 1 with the kick and worked our way up, but on the M32 we will be putting the kick in 17 and starting the instruments in channel 1, so a printout of the new assignments would be helpful for the first few gigs.
John,
We can help but don't hijack a thread on a different topic " version 3.0 software " and ask for help. It's like interrupting a cluster of dentists at a party and asking them to look at your mouth.
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Wow, I'm really liking the ability to have the custom fader layers, and even be able to move the faders into whatever order I like on the edit app. I almost went with the GLD over the M32, that feature being one of the reasons. Now if only there were a way to translate that over to the console's physical faders...
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So this is on the PC app and it the iPad?
Is iPad functionality changed?
What versions are compatible?
Where is the gain sharing controls?
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So this is on the PC app and it the iPad?
Is iPad functionality changed?
What versions are compatible?
Where is the gain sharing controls?
I've been playing around with the editor on my Mac, which does have this functionality, but have not upgraded my iPad app yet. Maybe someone else who has can chime in, or I'll have a chance to get on my iPad in the next few hours.
I can't give much insight on forward or backward compatibility between firmware and apps, other than editor V3 works with firmware V3.
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The ipad app look and function pretty much the same as before but with bug fixes and the new v3 functionality. They will continue to enhance the ipad app though.
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The version of Mixingstation available yesterday (timestamping here...) is not fully compatible with V3.04. I expect David Giga will fix that very soon...
My i-Thingy battery was dead so after I get a full charge I'll update the X32 app and see if it works as it should. I really need to use a full size X32 so I can see more stuff at once...
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X32-Edit 3 Is not backwards compatible. Requires 3.x firmware. iOS app is fully compatible across versions 2.x and 3.x you just have no control over the newer automixer functions. It's possible given past updates that some recent iOS app will require 3.x firmware though.
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can someone with a console confirm that the Automixer is prefader? It appears to be prefader on the iPad app, which makes me sad.
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On my X32 full it is showing post fader.
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On my X32 full it is showing post fader.
Yay!
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The new X edit for PC is awesome.
Love the new layout and features. Making me think about picking up a Surface or other touch screen PC.
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The new X edit for PC is awesome.
Love the new layout and features. Making me think about picking up a Surface or other touch screen PC.
Thinking the same thing. Seems like it will be better than the iOS app.
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Wow, I'm really liking the ability to have the custom fader layers, and even be able to move the faders into whatever order I like on the edit app. I almost went with the GLD over the M32, that feature being one of the reasons. Now if only there were a way to translate that over to the console's physical faders...
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Yup it is really crap that this feature wasn't implemented in to the console. I rang music group to make ask if I could get the custom fader bank on the console, and they confirmed that it was only in the PC program... Sucks
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Yup it is really crap that this feature wasn't implemented in to the console. I rang music group to make ask if I could get the custom fader bank on the console, and they confirmed that it was only in the PC program... Sucks
I love the new X32-Edit. I have a show tonight and I'm thinking about upgrading the firmware but my question is, once I upgrade to 3.04, if the new X32-Edit software gives me problems during the gig, will the old 2.x version of X32-Edit still work once the console is on 3.x firmware?
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Are some of you actually mixing live using the x32- Edit? What's the advantage over just using the console surface?
Custom layers not withstanding, since that apparently is a new feature.
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Are some of you actually mixing live using the x32- Edit? What's the advantage over just using the console surface?
Custom layers not withstanding, since that apparently is a new feature.
I have for a couple years. I have the X32 Rack, which stays on stage.
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I have for a couple years. I have the X32 Rack, which stays on stage.
Same here.
2 Xracks and 1 Core.....no control surfaces.
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I applaud Behringer for the free update.
I am playing around with the new X32 Edit, and I can see where this software will be much easier to get around on once I get used to the new layout.
I believe that having the automixer capability is nice; however, the X32's little brother the XR18 can do this with 16 channels.
For those who already own an X32 (especially sound companies), the new feature brings more usability to the mixer now that it can be so easily used for talking head venues.
I have to agree with some of the others here that for bar bands, this is really not useful.
I was really hoping for the downloadable FX ;)
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I was really hoping for the downloadable FX ;)
+1
...dave
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I updated both my board and my IOS apps this morning. Only had a few minutes to play as i have to get to my gig today. Easy to see which channels are assigned on the app and the buttons to turn automix on and off are right there.
Is there a way to view the automix working on the console? So far I have only found the tab to assign the channel to the X or Y mix.
Where do you actually turn the automix on and off on the console?
EDIT - Found it. new tab under meters
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I updated both my board and my IOS apps this morning. Only had a few minutes to play as i have to get to my gig today. Easy to see which channels are assigned on the app and the buttons to turn automix on and off are right there.
Is there a way to view the automix working on the console? So far I have only found the tab to assign the channel to the X or Y mix.
Where do you actually turn the automix on and off on the console?
EDIT - Found it. new tab under meters
You are a brave man. I guess you like to be on the cutting edge. They also call that the bleeding edge.
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I have had some more time to fiddle with the new X32 Edit.
I would say that this program is the single biggest improvement for the X32 in V3.X so far ;)
I am still learning some of the details, but from what I have seen so far, this is a huge improvement from the previous version ..... I would really love it if this app could port to X32 Mix on iPad and on Android.
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I have had some more time to fiddle with the new X32 Edit.
I would say that this program is the single biggest improvement for the X32 in V3.X so far ;)
I am still learning some of the details, but from what I have seen so far, this is a huge improvement from the previous version ..... I would really love it if this app could port to X32 Mix on iPad and on Android.
I'm starting to like the idea of a Surface Pro more and more...
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I have had some more time to fiddle with the new X32 Edit.
I would say that this program is the single biggest improvement for the X32 in V3.X so far ;)
I am still learning some of the details, but from what I have seen so far, this is a huge improvement from the previous version ..... I would really love it if this app could port to X32 Mix on iPad and on Android.
I have to agree. I pulled a rack from inventory to update, I have not upgraded any production systems yet. My main concern is the iPad's will no longer be able to control consoles that have not been upgraded. This means I have to develop a plan to upgrade not just my inventory but the venues we server with installed x32's. We provide iPad's for our guys so this is a serious concern.
Personally I am very excited about using the new Xedit during a show. I ordered an ergotron arm and a 22" touch screen monitor for FoH at the club I call home on Friday. I am going to try and run ShowXptress and Xedit at the same time right over the physical console.
The custom surface is a great upgrade, even though we have had it in Mixstation it's hard to get it into the workflow.
Tonight I ended up moving two vox, two guitar, an LF group for Kick and Bass and three effects bus's into the DCA layer. It would be great to be able to arrange a custom layer on the console.
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I have to agree. I pulled a rack from inventory to update, I have not upgraded any production systems yet. My main concern is the iPad's will no longer be able to control consoles that have not been upgraded. This means I have to develop a plan to upgrade not just my inventory but the venues we server with installed x32's. We provide iPad's for our guys so this is a serious concern.
Ran newest ipad version with m32 core on version 2.11, new purchase and didn't have the update firmware with me. It worked fine
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Ran newest ipad version with m32 core on version 2.11, new purchase and didn't have the update firmware with me. It worked fine
That is really good to know.
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That is really good to know.
The iPad app seems totally backwards compatible. I used it this week on 2 different full size consoles and my rack...the extra features just don't show up on the iPad if the console software is an
Older version.
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The iPad app seems totally backwards compatible.
I'm rather hoping it is, as the iPad has updated itself!
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The iPad app seems totally backwards compatible. I used it this week on 2 different full size consoles and my rack...the extra features just don't show up on the iPad if the console software is an
Older version.
I concur. Used an X32 that had older firmware with the latest iPad App, no problems at all. Same goes for X32-Edit. The latest iPad and PC software is backwards-compatible with older firmware on the X32.
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Just an update, after using 3.04 firmware and X32 Edit both Friday and Saturday night. I got to the gig and setup and then did something I normally wouldn't do right before a show, which is update the firmware. It worked without a hitch. FYI, the "old" X32 Edit works just fine with the new firmware, but it wasn't needed.
The new X32 Edit is the biggest improvement (to me) since I've owned the console. Things are laid out much more logically, and quicker to get to while mixing. User layers are awesome, as is the ability to move channels into any order. Thanks you Behringer for this free upgrade!
The software worked without any issues at all over the entire weekend, which included 5 bands over two nights. A couple of very minor things which I do not know if they are bugs or I just haven't figured out yet:
1.) When saving a scene, I cannot figure out how to save the scene directly to the console, as opposed to saving to my PC. The old X32 Edit had an option for that. I can't find it on the new version.
2.) The "Tap" buttons for the delays do not continue tapping after you click them. If I click the tempo, the button will continue to display that tempo for another 2-3 beats and then it just stops. The tempo does not change, but it was nice to have that continued indicator of the current tempo.
All in all, I am thrilled with what Behringer has done here. If anybody has any reservations about upgrading, don't hesitate.
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Just an update, after using 3.04 firmware and X32 Edit both Friday and Saturday night. I got to the gig and setup and then did something I normally wouldn't do right before a show, which is update the firmware. It worked without a hitch. FYI, the "old" X32 Edit works just fine with the new firmware, but it wasn't needed.
The new X32 Edit is the biggest improvement (to me) since I've owned the console. Things are laid out much more logically, and quicker to get to while mixing. User layers are awesome, as is the ability to move channels into any order. Thanks you Behringer for this free upgrade!
The software worked without any issues at all over the entire weekend, which included 5 bands over two nights. A couple of very minor things which I do not know if they are bugs or I just haven't figured out yet:
1.) When saving a scene, I cannot figure out how to save the scene directly to the console, as opposed to saving to my PC. The old X32 Edit had an option for that. I can't find it on the new version.
2.) The "Tap" buttons for the delays do not continue tapping after you click them. If I click the tempo, the button will continue to display that tempo for another 2-3 beats and then it just stops. The tempo does not change, but it was nice to have that continued indicator of the current tempo.
All in all, I am thrilled with what Behringer has done here. If anybody has any reservations about upgrading, don't hesitate.
1) If you look at the top icons when you have selected the scene button on the right you'll see that the icons are doubled, even though with a slightly graphical difference.
The icons to the right belongs to the console scenes and the icons to the left are for the locally stored scenes.
2) In gui preferences you can select if tap tempo should flash all the time or not.
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1) If you look at the top icons when you have selected the scene button on the right you'll see that the icons are doubled, even though with a slightly graphical difference.
The icons to the right belongs to the console scenes and the icons to the left are for the locally stored scenes.
2) In gui preferences you can select if tap tempo should flash all the time or not.
Got it! Thank you so much.
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As per Behringer:
"For situations when one person is speaking for extended periods of time, it may
be helpful to select the Last Gate box beneath the auto mix button. This keeps
the most recently active channel open, preventing unwanted artifacts of the gate
opening and closing during pauses in speech."
Anyone have experience with the new auto mix function that would like to comment?
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As per Behringer:
"For situations when one person is speaking for extended periods of time, it may
be helpful to select the Last Gate box beneath the auto mix button. This keeps
the most recently active channel open, preventing unwanted artifacts of the gate
opening and closing during pauses in speech."
Anyone have experience with the new auto mix function that would like to comment?
I understand that is a feature that is only in the X-Air implementation of automix.
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Thanks. That's why I couldn't find it on M32 Edit 3.0
But, "...select the Last Gate?" Gate? I believe a true automixer has no gate, or threshold either.
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Thanks. That's why I couldn't find it on M32 Edit 3.0
But, "...select the Last Gate?" Gate? I believe a true automixer has no gate, or threshold either.
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,162316.msg1493214.html#msg1493214