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Title: Anybody Working?
Post by: scottstephens on February 23, 2021, 12:54:56 pm
Hey All,

With this Vaccine thing kind of rolling out or stumbling out or whatever it is doing; I was wondering if anybody is locking in gigs.  Any contracts signed? Any firm handshakes?  Schools? Corporate? Uncle Bob's Backyard BBQ?

I have 1 school gig that is looking good for the end of March... Board Approval is a go and Dept. of Health hasn't said "no" yet. Social distancing in effect, blah, blah, blah. Just wondering.

Scott
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Stavross (Sam Buck) on February 23, 2021, 01:03:50 pm
Soonest in-person show I have booked is an outdoor show Memorial Day Weekend.

Other than that just live-streams.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: doug johnson2 on February 23, 2021, 02:00:57 pm
I have a A2 job in April, if I get my vaccinations done by that time.  It is with a band that believes that their right to play restrictions or not.  I am sure the show will happen, it is outdoors at a pretty large brewery and they were doing shows  in the fall.  I also have a outdoor wine festival the first weekend in May that is proceeding at this point with the assumption they can hold it with vaccine and distancing requirements.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: W. Mark Hellinger on February 23, 2021, 03:09:08 pm
A "fair amount" of "firm maybes" starting in May, that I fully expect at this time I won't know if it's a for-sure yes until the first song of the first set... if then.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Jeff Lelko on February 23, 2021, 03:39:43 pm
I'm getting jobs.  Nothing in pre-covid quantities yet but enough to keep me busy.  The socially-distanced choir job I posted about a few weeks ago is taking place tomorrow and Thursday, so that'll be a nice little bit of work.  I had an NYE job and then another one about a month ago.  I'll admit that the gigs I have been playing are doing a good job with the social distancing guidelines.  At the same time, a number of the bar bands that play the area are posting plenty of pictures on social media with no masks or social distancing in sight... 
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on February 23, 2021, 04:23:47 pm
I've been cutting up and burning pine limbs dropped by the ice storm... My aching back feels like I was working.

JR
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Brian Jojade on February 23, 2021, 05:24:30 pm
No jobs on the immediate horizon, but the flood gates are starting to open for requests this summer.  A couple of the major events we did are still on hold, but lots of newer (but smaller) ideas are starting to pour in.

AKA, it's mostly going to be stuff I can handle myself vs hiring a crew.  Kinda sucks, because I much prefer working with a crew vs alone.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on February 23, 2021, 05:37:11 pm
I'll consider it lucky if we have any Christmas parties at the hotel this year. So I don't expect anything until Mid November.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 23, 2021, 06:33:15 pm
One of my best clients had work starting in April, now nothing until August.  I'll be working at Home Depot by then.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: dave briar on February 23, 2021, 06:57:16 pm
The Taproom is starting back with two ticketed indoor shows March 12/13 which are seen as “events” by the county health department and hence require detailed individual plans and the expectation of compliance visits during the shows. Twelve spaced tables to reserve with six patrons each.  No dancing of course and if your butt ain’t pressing on a stool you need a mask on your face.  Long way from our normal packed 300 cap (soon to be 550 cap) rock show but hey, it’s a start.  I’ll have my second shot the week before so I said I’d risk doing sound for them. Expectation is that our outside stage will be a big draw this summer.

That said, the three July/August festivals I’ve worked are all cancelled for 2021.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Jonathan Hole on February 23, 2021, 10:31:49 pm
I mix and provide for a regional 80's band in the Carolinas and starting May we have 12 or so gigs under contract, all outdoors single band shows across NC and SC, we usually do a decent amount of multi-band festivals but none of those right now nor any planned or on hold at present.  Our booking folks are starting to get calls from those who cancelled last year but still have deposits so hopefully a few of those will schedule, all again outdoors.  Some of these are city/town concert series and so those are assuming NC eases restrictions between now and late May for outdoor events, so we'll see.  SC is more open.  The church I mix for has been on two services per week, reduced capacity, since late last summer so that's been solid.  Stay safe and well out there!
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 24, 2021, 01:42:10 am
Hey All,

With this Vaccine thing kind of rolling out or stumbling out or whatever it is doing; I was wondering if anybody is locking in gigs.  Any contracts signed? Any firm handshakes?  Schools? Corporate? Uncle Bob's Backyard BBQ?

I have 1 school gig that is looking good for the end of March... Board Approval is a go and Dept. of Health hasn't said "no" yet. Social distancing in effect, blah, blah, blah. Just wondering.

Scott


We have a St. Pat's day indoor on the books but I hold no hope of it actually happening.  For summer when the tundra thaws we have about 30 shows on the books that are all outdoor festivals.  The city sponsored stuff I don't see happening, private shows outdoors with very strict distancing we did all summer that series will go again.  Normally that series drew about 1000 and we kept it below 300 all summer.  I also have a winery planning 5 shows starting in June.  These typically saw 4000 guests and I have not seen there plan yet.  We do an annual zoofest in august, 12 small stages throughout the zoo and it's basically done bar crawl fashion with everyone ending up at mainstage at the end of the night.  That's about 8000 people in August, questionable.  The summer amphitheater stuff I have not heard a peep from.  My prediction is the big rig won't leave the warehouse and even more grim we won't have to rent a truck in 2021.  We have one box truck and 3 vans, that seems like plenty of capacity at this point, sadly. 

Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Keith Broughton on February 24, 2021, 06:55:28 am
I have some work...a couple of small installs and some web cast work but certainly not a lot.
Fortunately, the Canadian government is subsidizing self employed workers with a basic income so the bills get paid.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on February 24, 2021, 01:21:47 pm
I have some work...a couple of small installs and some web cast work but certainly not a lot.
Fortunately, the Canadian government is subsidizing self employed workers with a basic income so the bills get paid.


That got extended again in the US and now PPP loans are available to sole proprietors.  A lifeline for our industry.  Clubs and venues got a chunk of cash in Feb. depending on their revenue.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Brian Jojade on February 24, 2021, 04:13:13 pm
No dancing of course and if your butt ain’t pressing on a stool you need a mask on your face.

And from this, all i got is a visual of people walking around with cocktails in hand, and a barstool strapped straight out from the behind.  I mean, if the law says butt pressed on a stool, that would count, right?  :)
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on February 24, 2021, 06:47:15 pm
I’ve already started getting cancellations for annual redates.
I’m usually pretty chipper, but this is really starting to get old. Not just the whole sickness thing, but the after effects of closed or slowed manufacturing.
Tons of items for shop inventory are backordered, and my stress relief car hobby is affected too. I’ve been waiting for a set of aluminum heads for over 3 months due to shutdowns and shortages of materials.
But I guess it could be a lot worse.....an old school chum recently lost his dad to covid.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on February 24, 2021, 07:52:38 pm
And from this, all i got is a visual of people walking around with cocktails in hand, and a barstool strapped straight out from the behind.  I mean, if the law says butt pressed on a stool, that would count, right?  :)

Milking stool.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Michael Lascuola on February 25, 2021, 09:59:33 am
I'm only doing video shoots and recording sessions.  First "tentative" show is Memorial Day; we shall see.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chrysander 'C.R.' Young on February 25, 2021, 01:22:46 pm
Most of my work the last few months has been broadcast/stream audio for houses of worship.  Got one smallish Metallica Tribute show next month.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on February 25, 2021, 04:07:53 pm
Got some pre-bookings for an end of summer series.
Other than that, starting back up my parking lot jam this weekend.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Ed Taylor on March 01, 2021, 02:09:54 pm
I mix and provide for a regional 80's band in the Carolinas and starting May we have 12 or so gigs under contract, all outdoors single band shows across NC and SC, we usually do a decent amount of multi-band festivals but none of those right now nor any planned or on hold at present.  Our booking folks are starting to get calls from those who cancelled last year but still have deposits so hopefully a few of those will schedule, all again outdoors.  Some of these are city/town concert series and so those are assuming NC eases restrictions between now and late May for outdoor events, so we'll see.  SC is more open.  The church I mix for has been on two services per week, reduced capacity, since late last summer so that's been solid.  Stay safe and well out there!
hey Jonathan...SC boy here as well (Rock Hill)..so we do a lot of Charlotte biz normally too....the one working band that I have supported in the past had most everything cancelled last year and they had been doing a very few small outdoor things that they can handle with their own PA (think 2 SIS and 2 wedges).. I'm hoping the small town square stuff opens up again this season. Weddings are growing back to a size where a small system is needed for ceremony, but the days of 200 sitdown dinner receptions and live band from out of town...aren't happening right now, so my main rig looks to stay asleep in the trailer...the $1k ceremony/DJ gigs are out there still..but if I needed the income from this market... I'd be homless and sleeping on top of my subwoofers in my trailer (grin)
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Steve Cook on March 03, 2021, 03:39:01 pm
Worked in Homestead, FL last weekend, handling the fanzone at the NASCAR races.  Mandatory masks, temp check on entrance, and 10% of capacity.
Wedding this weekend on Sanibel Island, then back home to Iowa.  Nothing scheduled up there until the end of June. 
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 03, 2021, 07:40:38 pm
For one-person shops there should be no labor shortage.  For the rest of us -

https://www-wsj-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/concerts-are-ready-to-return-are-workers-11617015601
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Jeff Lelko on April 04, 2021, 10:08:51 pm
For one-person shops there should be no labor shortage.  For the rest of us -

https://www-wsj-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/concerts-are-ready-to-return-are-workers-11617015601

Yep.  My tiny solo jobs are one thing, but I’ve been keeping in touch with my preferred crew members to be sure they’re still available for hire next time I need to build a proper team.  I rarely exceed a dozen techs working under me but can see this being a real problem for the larger tours - especially where skilled labor is needed.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Jonathan Goodall on April 05, 2021, 01:36:44 am
Just finished a two week run of Lizzie the musical.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on April 05, 2021, 02:17:55 pm
I had a show last week, electrified string quartet.  Venue PA, our monitor rig, our techs.  For the venue it was the first show since last year.

No blood, no bodies, so it was all good.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: scottstephens on April 07, 2021, 03:06:30 pm
Hey All,

So a couple of weekends ago I had the school musical which went really well except for some weird battery issues, where a few of the Energizer Maxes were crapping out after an hour. We changed them out at intermission so no one knew. It was weird. No interference, no noises, all transmitters on low power, no nothing. Just new batteries going kaput.  So much for Sam's Club Energizers.  Back to Duracell's.

This weekend I have a masked choir thing for my sister in law.  And I received a call about a National Day of Prayer thing the first Thursday of May. So, it's good to be working.

BTW, the social distance thing is a joke. The kids at the school had to sit in every other seat and every other row.  Once the show was over they were all hanging on to each other, hugging, kissing, holding hands.  AFAIK, no one died, no one got sick.  Just an observation.

Scott
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: raymondsoly on April 07, 2021, 04:29:19 pm
I'm only doing video shoots and recording sessions. 

Been lucky to do video shoots also.....Red Zone Montreal has opened up to live shows with limited audience capacity, distancing and masks since March 26...although we still have a 9.30 pm curfew  :o.....The Symphony is playing this week and the Ballet in 2 weeks with a GALA program!  I'm a little weary since I'll be at the board in the house with perhaps 250 ppl Being over 70 I'm considered much at risk of complications, but, I did get my first Pfizer shot almost a month ago...So you could say I'm literally dying to get back to live shows......Orange alert zone Quebec city was opened for the last month but cases have since ballooned and they're all but shut down ..again...

ray
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on April 07, 2021, 08:01:04 pm
First scheduled gig not until July.  Then a bunch in august.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Al Rettich on April 08, 2021, 03:08:36 pm
There is a local small (cap. 3000) amphitheater here in Northern Cincinnati that I'm doing 17 shows at. Other than that not much. I keep hearing that the Fall / Winter is going to be booked solid..
Hey All,

With this Vaccine thing kind of rolling out or stumbling out or whatever it is doing; I was wondering if anybody is locking in gigs.  Any contracts signed? Any firm handshakes?  Schools? Corporate? Uncle Bob's Backyard BBQ?

I have 1 school gig that is looking good for the end of March... Board Approval is a go and Dept. of Health hasn't said "no" yet. Social distancing in effect, blah, blah, blah. Just wondering.

Scott
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on April 08, 2021, 11:04:57 pm
There is a local small (cap. 3000) amphitheater here in Northern Cincinnati that I'm doing 17 shows at. Other than that not much. I keep hearing that the Fall / Winter is going to be booked solid..


For the past couple of weeks I have been turning down micro-spreader events in the clubs which I haven't worked in years.  If they are calling last call Scott the labor pool must be thin.  I took a few at a club that has a big elevated platform, arrived long before doors and then waited until they closed to strike the stage.   It was more just for some chance to be part of a live show. 


As far as the summer people sure are optomistic here, we have almost 2 dozen outdoor shows and a smattering of indoor events.  The outdoor are all good paying stuff.  I am not holding my breath. 



Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Luke Geis on April 09, 2021, 12:06:52 am
I am a spoiled brat, I actually made a post a couple of weeks ago about it, but I am doing pretty well lately.

I have a new L'Acoustics Kiva II system in my companies arsenal to play with, did sound for Steve Aoki ( the DJ from Linkin Park ) last week, and may have Earth Wind & Fire on my stage with said L'Acoustics PA in the next few weeks. I am doing a kids play for the next two weeks; again with the new PA! I am still not full-time, but the past few weeks have been on point for me and the future is looking pretty bright!!!!
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Helmke on April 10, 2021, 02:20:54 pm
We had a few Easter things, including a big drive-in one where they had a festival-sized stage and halfway-back video walls.  Now it's commencement ceremony season, and everybody wants to do them outside. 
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Eric Snodgrass on May 04, 2021, 07:52:51 pm
Los Angeles IATSE stagehand work is picking up very quickly.  The awards shows have put a lot of people to work in the last month.  Outdoor venues are starting to open up in May (to limited capacity).  This past weekend I did a large live-to-tape benefit concert at an outdoor stadium with a live audience of healthcare workers.  Each audience member had to present proof of vaccination and a picture I.D. in order to get into the building.  I hadn't seen this large of a crowd since pre-pandemic times (what seems like eons ago and yet only yesterday).  The entire crew was tested and required to wear masks at all times except for eating and drinking.
Outdoor L.A. County facilities are opening up and programming live events for the summer.  I just booked a gig for a few weeks a month through July.  I'm unsure of requirements for attendees (mask, no mask, etc.).  What I am sure about is that the protocols will be changing as we get closer to the actual events.  I just received my second dose last week, so I'm feeling much better about going back to work.  Luckily L.A. County is now home to one of the lowest infection rates in the nation.  I had heard that there were no reported Covid-related deaths this past Sunday, which marks the first time in months that has happened.  I hope we keep trending in that direction. 
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 04, 2021, 11:15:36 pm
The NFL draft here in CLE was a boom for the union guys and outdoor shows are booking up for the summer.  We have a short outdoor show season.  Right now I am sitting at 23 outside bookings, that's not bad.  Last week we booked a quick 5 date comedy tour that is playing AAA ballparks.  It was full service, stage, PA, power etc.  That was unexpected and starts May off right!


My biggest problem is I waited a year to get sick, I tested positive and was down hard for almost 10 days, I am getting better but still get very tired and easily winded.  My business partner ended up with it too and we are lost in space as to how we managed to give it to each other unless the infection was a week before the symptoms. 


To top is all off the COVID caused his back to inflame and set off a bad case of sciatica he is still recovering from so thankfully we have a young and healthy crew because the two of us are a mess.



Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on May 05, 2021, 01:25:15 am
My business partner ended up with it too and we are lost in space as to how we managed to give it to each other unless the infection was a week before the symptoms. 
From what I understand, infection to symptoms can be 2 to 5 days.
THAT is what makes this "thing"almost impossible to control.
You get infected.
You pass it around (infect others)
You show symptoms
Those you may have passed it to are now passing to others....
ad infinitum...
Not even considering the asymptomatic.......

Scott, I hope you get over this quickly, and pray for no long-term complications.

Chris.

Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 05, 2021, 02:13:26 am
From what I understand, infection to symptoms can be 2 to 5 days.
THAT is what makes this "thing"almost impossible to control.
You get infected.
You pass it around (infect others)
You show symptoms
Those you may have passed it to are now passing to others....
ad infinitum...
Not even considering the asymptomatic.......

Scott, I hope you get over this quickly, and pray for no long-term complications.

Chris.


Thanks Chris, I have been isolating since symptomatic however as you pointed out who knows.  My energy level is low and I have shaken the cough, probably start another round of steroids next week.  Hasn't been a lot of fun, my wife lost her father last month and she has been down in Florida taking care of the estate with her sister, they want to get the house sold while the market is hot so basically been isolated and trying to be positive and keep moving forward. 


Thanks for the concern Chris, it's very much appreciated.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Jeff Lelko on May 05, 2021, 05:05:03 am
Sorry to hear Scott!  Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

I committed to a nice big Fourth of July job in South Florida last week.  Hopefully things stay on the upward trend as July 4th is typically my single biggest job of the year, but at this point it's anybody's guess where things will be 2 months from now...
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on May 05, 2021, 07:04:34 pm
Sorry to hear Scott!  Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

I committed to a nice big Fourth of July job in South Florida last week.  Hopefully things stay on the upward trend as July 4th is typically my single biggest job of the year, but at this point it's anybody's guess where things will be 2 months from now...


My wife is still down in Melbourne, I wonder if she is ever coming home :-)  It's getting awful hot I am surprised she hasn't wrapped up! 


This kind of puts the kibosh on me visiting, at least in the short term. 


Hope your 4th of July gig goes great.


 
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on May 07, 2021, 12:02:21 am
I've been only sporadically working. Did three recording sessions for the local symphony, one each in February, March, and April, and also just finished an opera concert recording which I am mixing and will be broadcast on NPR nationally later in the summer.

That's all I've got booked for the rest of the year now. And no word from the tour. I'm not sure that they will even be able to come back at this point.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on May 07, 2021, 09:54:27 am
I've been only sporadically working. Did three recording sessions for the local symphony, one each in February, March, and April, and also just finished an opera concert recording which I am mixing and will be broadcast on NPR nationally later in the summer.

That's all I've got booked for the rest of the year now. And no word from the tour. I'm not sure that they will even be able to come back at this point.

Wow.  I figured BMG would be one of the "back sooner than later" producers.

Oops, hit 'send' too soon... 

Not sure what's going on in T-Town but things are coming back slowly here - a hand full of shows this month, Local Crew work is coming back - summer stock theater, some corporate meetings.

In my shop, the 'big' summer events had to make decisions in Jan and Feb, when the Covid future looked even more bleak so our calendar gets crazy in August and continues through December.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on May 07, 2021, 12:20:30 pm
I'm not involved, but the SF Opera is putting on a large parking lot event at the Marin civic center over the next month or two.
Giant stage and video screens.  No idea how many are employed, as I have only seen the setup during the day from afar.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on May 07, 2021, 06:01:43 pm
Wow.  I figured BMG would be one of the "back sooner than later" producers.
Yeah I don't know. Last official word we had from the company was back in August when they were predicting a February/March return. Obviously that didn't happen. I think things with them are being complicated by the Cirque bankruptcy and impending sale of the company.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on May 07, 2021, 06:52:40 pm
Yeah I don't know. Last official word we had from the company was back in August when they were predicting a February/March return. Obviously that didn't happen. I think things with them are being complicated by the Cirque bankruptcy and impending sale of the company.

Justice, I just read this...
Montreal, Quebec, April 21, 2021 — Cirque du Soleil Entertainment Group (“Cirque du Soleil”), the world’s leading producer of high-quality live entertainment, marks a milestone moment in the company’s history today. The Cirque du Soleil sun is rising as the company proudly announces the reopening of four of its most iconic shows after being closed for more than a year due to the pandemic. “O” at Bellagio and Mystère at Treasure Island will reopen this summer in Las Vegas. For the touring show division, KOOZA will be presented in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, starting November 2021, while LUZIA will reopen at London’s Royal Albert Hall in January 2022. Additionally, the Group’s affiliate show Blue Man Group will return to Luxor Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas this summer.

And this...

CIRQUE DU SOLEIL ENTERTAINMENT GROUP CONFIRMS CLOSING OF SALE TRANSACTION AND EMERGENCE FROM CREDITOR PROTECTION
Montreal, Tuesday, November 24, 2020

    Cirque du Soleil Entertainment Group closes previously announced Purchase Agreement with its secured lenders and emerges from CCAA/Chapter 15 protection.
    Cirque’s President and CEO, Daniel Lamarre, to remain in position to continue building upon the legacy of excellence and imagination fostered by Cirque du Soleil founders and to expand this iconic brand to new markets.

Montreal, QC, November 24, 2020 – Cirque du Soleil Entertainment Group (“Cirque du Soleil,” “Cirque,” or the “Company”), the world’s leading producer of high-quality live entertainment, announces today the successful closing of a sale transaction with its secured lenders (the “Lenders”) and its emergence from creditor protection under the Companies’ Creditors Arrangement Act (“CCAA”) in Canada and Chapter 15 in the United States.

From the press releases, it all sounds quite positive.
Chris.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on May 07, 2021, 07:13:37 pm
Justice, I just read this...
Unfortunately, they permanently closed the Orlando show, and there's still no word on the NYC, Boston, Chicago, or Berlin shows, or the tour. And they closed several other Cirque shows in Vegas as well. I'm hoping that KA and Love will come back eventually and just need a longer tech restart process.

I've heard nothing from our company management, don't know how many of their 14 shows will come back. I estimate no more than 7 or 8 probably.

I talked to another Broadway tour producer a few weeks ago. They are cutting down from 7 shows to 4. There's going to be a lot of people in our industry still looking for work a year from now.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on June 04, 2021, 01:04:50 pm
I got my first band rider the other day. Show's only tentative and not till November but I'm excited.

As usual, it's 2 years out of date and the Tour manager told me that he'll be sending a new one.

Good to know that some things never change.

I was also asked for the booking agent for a band in December. I somehow feel that this trickle will be turning into a flood.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on June 04, 2021, 01:12:19 pm
I got my first band rider the other day. Show's only tentative and not till November but I'm excited.

As usual, it's 2 years out of date and the Tour manager told me that he'll be sending a new one.

Good to know that some things never change.

I was also asked for the booking agent for a band in December. I somehow feel that this trickle will be turning into a flood.


That is interesting, for the summer we are booked over capacity on some dates.  Nothing from the  corporate and wedding crowd but music and live entertainment is moving right along. 





Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on June 04, 2021, 01:41:23 pm
That is interesting, for the summer we are booked over capacity on some dates.  Nothing from the  corporate and wedding crowd but music and live entertainment is moving right along.

The US vaccination rate is the envy of the world. The rest of us are still cancelling summer festivals...

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 04, 2021, 02:16:11 pm
Here in Tulsa our PAC is packed tight through the end of the year. And it appears that our physical distancing requirements have gone out the window too. I'm working every day this week. May be working next week too.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on June 04, 2021, 05:56:32 pm
The US vaccination rate is the envy of the world. The rest of us are still cancelling summer festivals...

-Russ


We passed 70% of adult population has gotten at least first dose today, I was shocked, amazed, flabbergasted, gobsmacked and maybe even a little twitterpated. 
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: dave briar on June 04, 2021, 07:54:46 pm

We passed 70% of adult population has gotten at least first dose today, I was shocked, amazed, flabbergasted, gobsmacked and maybe even a little twitterpated.
Twitterpated.  I’ll have to remember that one:-)

We are once again running full bore. No masks and packed shoulder to shoulder/chest to back dance floor. We’re still inside for another week and while I know it’s only my “having-lived-through-2020” imagination I swear I can see a virus cloud over all the dancers between me and the stage — but thankfully not much SARS-coV2 these days.  Only 35 new cases in all of Montana yesterday. Starting next week we’ll be on our outdoor stage all summer. More room (and wind) to dissipate sweat and viri.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Helmke on June 04, 2021, 10:27:45 pm

We passed 70% of adult population has gotten at least first dose today, I was shocked, amazed, flabbergasted, gobsmacked and maybe even a little twitterpated.

If there's one thing that the USA is good at, it's mass production and distribution when we really need it.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John Fruits on June 06, 2021, 01:43:27 am
Twitterpated.  I’ll have to remember that one:-)
Remember to keep Addlepated close at hand.  Also, I must admit that I am overly fond of gobsmacked.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on June 20, 2021, 06:50:28 pm
Whew, I'm pooped!  First gig in over a year.  Juneteenth celebration on Fillmore in SF.  Got to break out the Danleys.
It's been near 100s at my shop in Marin, so I wasn't expecting the fog and cold.  At least I brought a jacket, although shorts were not the best choice.
But, how can you not have fun with live music and people!
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Thomas Le on June 21, 2021, 01:02:22 pm
Two weeks ago, I helped out a group set up their sound system for an outdoor "pre fathers day" crawfish boil event. I was sweating like crazy in the Texas humidity as I was running cables and gear all over the place. I think there was 20 or 30 tables with 10 chairs each table, so 200 or 300 people? I couldn't stay for the event but got a bag of crawfish to go as thanks for setup and quick n dirty tutorial.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John Hiemburg on June 22, 2021, 07:17:22 pm
Two weeks ago, I helped out a group set up their sound system for an outdoor "pre fathers day" crawfish boil event. I was sweating like crazy in the Texas humidity as I was running cables and gear all over the place. I think there was 20 or 30 tables with 10 chairs each table, so 200 or 300 people? I couldn't stay for the event but got a bag of crawfish to go as thanks for setup and quick n dirty tutorial.


Sounds like you got paid well.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Slater on June 23, 2021, 07:17:21 am
Work has started coming in, only now we're dealing with a labor shortage.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim Hite on June 24, 2021, 01:44:20 pm
Whew, I'm pooped!  First gig in over a year.  Juneteenth celebration on Fillmore in SF.  Got to break out the Danleys.
It's been near 100s at my shop in Marin, so I wasn't expecting the fog and cold.  At least I brought a jacket, although shorts were not the best choice.
But, how can you not have fun with live music and people!

I had to run over to my job site at Fort Mason Sunday evening, probably drove right past you. It was 108 in Trinity county where I'd been rafting.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: gordonmcgregor on June 25, 2021, 02:10:04 pm
first gig in 15 months, at least we got good weather and everything worked  ;D
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 26, 2021, 12:22:59 pm
My gig for the last couple of days was an outdoor concert/charity fundraiser.  In true Kansas tradition, if you want torrential rain or excruciating heat, put on an outdoor show... because you can have both in the same day!  We put up sound and lights on Thursday for the Friday event.  Hot and humid with a "feels like" temp of 105°F at 3pm.

The charity wisely decided Friday morning to move the concert portion indoors and move the food outside under tents.  The first rains came at 2pm while we were taking down the outside PA; then cleared off until about 5p when we got some more, then clearing again.  Some of the client's staff was grumbling about the indoor move.  Good thing the plan was maintained because right at 8pm show time the clouds arrived and dumped nearly 2" of rain with 40MPH winds.

The charity really wanted the concert outside (Covid, partly) but by making the changes: they got to use all their show elements, food and beverage contributions, hold their auction and entertain their donors.  If they'd stuck with their original plan, they'd have served some food and booze and then everyone would have gone home in a thunderstorm.  The part of the auction that occurs during the entertainment typically raises $250k or so in about 10 minutes, so they'd have lost those donations.

We finished our outdoor rig loading about the time the 5pm rain came.  We'd moved 1/3 of the LX rig indoors and ran 200' of 2/0 to power lights and sound.  Show over at 9:30 and by 11p, we'd loaded the consoles/IEM rental rig truck, our lighting truck, and had the venue's house systems restored to the point they could be open today at noon.  Except... we had flown the snakes and those took time to get down; as we slammed the trunk lids, the next wave of storms came it.  We pushed the last 5 cases through 4" of rain water in the alley to get to the trucks.  I was home by midnight.

The client was happy, my crew made some overtime money, and in the end the event was snatched from the jaws of Kansas weather and was successful.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 26, 2021, 12:35:54 pm
first gig in 15 months, at least we got good weather and everything worked  ;D

So that's where you've been!
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on June 26, 2021, 07:31:44 pm
My gig for the last couple of days was an outdoor concert/charity fundraiser.  In true Kansas tradition, if you want torrential rain or excruciating heat, put on an outdoor show... because you can have both in the same day!  We put up sound and lights on Thursday for the Friday event.  Hot and humid with a "feels like" temp of 105°F at 3pm.
That sounds like my last two days.


I will never understand why anyone would do outdoor events in Oklahoma during the summer. It's almost as dumb, and sucks just as much as virtual events.


And this one was a special kind of suck, what with the 16 hour days and not a single break the whole time an no schedule, coordination of performers or communication at all. At least they had a DJ to manage all the playback for me.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on June 26, 2021, 07:33:22 pm
Things are different in Canada. I got a call today for an Aug 7th briefcase outdoor gig. It's tentative. We can't have any concerts right now. We can't have anything and that includes single and duos outside on a patio.

I'm trying not to get excited cause it could be canceled but it's a buddy's SM80/TH118/M32 rig. I haven't heard my SM80's as mains for 4 years so I'm looking forward to hearing what they sound like again.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Riley Casey on June 26, 2021, 08:46:42 pm
Try not to put too many eggs in the 'pandemic is over, resume your normal lives' basket. There are indications that this may get worse again before it gets better. Vax hesitancy / pugnaciousness may team up successfully with the natural propensity of organisms to look for every possible path forward and put us in the same or possibly worse place than 15 months ago.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/booster-shots-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine.html
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 27, 2021, 10:07:48 am
Try not to put too many eggs in the 'pandemic is over, resume your normal lives' basket. There are indications that this may get worse again before it gets better. Vax hesitancy / pugnaciousness may team up successfully with the natural propensity of organisms to look for every possible path forward and put us in the same or possibly worse place than 15 months ago.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/06/booster-shots-johnson-and-johnson-vaccine.html

Some of my clients subscribe to expensive pundits that attempt to predict these things, and since I'm under NDA I can't say who/what... but the consensus is there will be a big, nasty surge of Covid (probably Delta or other mutation) in October.

Anyone still fence-sitting regarding vaccination, PLEASE get the shot(s).  Think of it as protecting commerce and our ability to work.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on June 27, 2021, 10:24:11 am
Just got my first 2 riders for shows at the resort. One's for November, the other is for December.  Both are tentative.

I'm seeing S6L's on the riders. Wonder where I can find one of those in Ontario?

I'm also getting calls and emails from tribute bands and single/duos. My reply is that we're not even remotely thinking of live entertainment right now.  Wish I had a different answer for them. I have a lot of struggling musician friends.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John Sulek on June 27, 2021, 12:23:17 pm
Just got my first 2 riders for shows at the resort. One's for November, the other is for December.  Both are tentative.

I'm seeing S6L's on the riders. Wonder where I can find one of those in Ontario?

I'm also getting calls and emails from tribute bands and single/duos. My reply is that we're not even remotely thinking of live entertainment right now.  Wish I had a different answer for them. I have a lot of struggling musician friends.

Actual shows on the calendar for the end of July/August, but they are in the US. Standing by for the next round of cross border travel decisions/restrictions on July 21st. I'm fully vaccinated so that will make this slightly easier.

There are S6L's available for rent in Ontario. Apex, Solotech, and Metalworks have them.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on June 28, 2021, 10:29:10 pm
Things are different in Canada. {...} We can't have anything and that includes single and duos outside on a patio. {...}

For better or for worse this is somewhat jurisdiction-dependent. I was recalled last week by the local PACT (basically Canada's LORT) theatre to work on a series sporadic, self-contained concerts that people can hire for their back yard event or block party: a pair of Equity performers (out of three pairs, each doing a different set), one IA tech (out of a pool of three, all taking turns), a PA, and a Ford Transit. The rig isn't much to write home about, but it sure was nice to sit behind a console again (and those Mackie one-knob compressors are a lot more useful than I would have initially guessed). Given the weather I'm thankful there's no bookings this week, but it sounds like there are some coming down the pipe.

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on June 28, 2021, 11:08:16 pm
For better or for worse this is somewhat jurisdiction-dependent. I was recalled last week by the local PACT (basically Canada's LORT) theatre to work on a series sporadic, self-contained concerts that people can hire for their back yard event or block party: a pair of Equity performers (out of three pairs, each doing a different set), one IA tech (out of a pool of three, all taking turns), a PA, and a Ford Transit. The rig isn't much to write home about, but it sure was nice to sit behind a console again (and those Mackie one-knob compressors are a lot more useful than I would have initially guessed). Given the weather I'm thankful there's no bookings this week, but it sounds like there are some coming down the pipe.

-Russ

Are you able to have live music in Alberta? What are the guidelines? We can't have anything live in Ontario right now. I think we have to wait for Stage 3 and we're just expecting to enter Stage 2 this weekend. I'll finally be able to get a haircut! :)
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on June 29, 2021, 08:52:49 am
Are you able to have live music in Alberta? What are the guidelines? We can't have anything live in Ontario right now. I think we have to wait for Stage 3 and we're just expecting to enter Stage 2 this weekend. I'll finally be able to get a haircut! :)

HAha. A week after the lock-down started, I ordered a Wahl hair trimmer kit on Amazon.
The wife does a fine job, and I am not too picky. I don't expect to pay for a haircut aver again.
At 25 bucks a pop, the kit was paid for in 6 or 8 months......
Chris.
Oh, on topic... Still nothing live going on in Montreal, We're "green zone" now, whatever that means.....
You can go to a bar at limited capacity, SIT DOWN and drink. No  dancing or walking around.
Bell Center (17,000 cap i think) is open to 2,500 spectators for the Stanley Cup series. Open a week and a half now. You can have a wedding for 250 - space permitting, but the reception is 25 inside, 50 outside. No dancing, sit down meals.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Ike Zimbel on June 29, 2021, 12:18:00 pm
HAha. A week after the lock-down started, I ordered a Wahl hair trimmer kit on Amazon.
The wife does a fine job, and I am not too picky. I don't expect to pay for a haircut aver again.
At 25 bucks a pop, the kit was paid for in 6 or 8 months......
Chris.
Oh, on topic... Still nothing live going on in Montreal, We're "green zone" now, whatever that means.....
You can go to a bar at limited capacity, SIT DOWN and drink. No  dancing or walking around.
Bell Center (17,000 cap i think) is open to 2,500 spectators for the Stanley Cup series. Open a week and a half now. You can have a wedding for 250 - space permitting, but the reception is 25 inside, 50 outside. No dancing, sit down meals.
Yeah, but can you get a haircut? I'm heading down there tomorrow to work on the Stanley Cup. I tried to get one today, but no haircuts in Toronto until tomorrow, and of course they're all booked solid for two weeks! ???
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on June 29, 2021, 12:33:12 pm
Yeah, but can you get a haircut? I'm heading down there tomorrow to work on the Stanley Cup. I tried to get one today, but no haircuts in Toronto until tomorrow, and of course they're all booked solid for two weeks! ???

Yup. Montreal has been open to that (and hairdressers) since going Orange a bunch of months ago.
Trade a haircut for a pass??
Heck, I'd give you a trim myself.......
Hottest tickets in the province right now...
Chris.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on June 29, 2021, 12:55:06 pm
Are you able to have live music in Alberta? What are the guidelines? We can't have anything live in Ontario right now. I think we have to wait for Stage 3 and we're just expecting to enter Stage 2 this weekend. I'll finally be able to get a haircut! :)

Except for a few months during the second wave, "live music" didn't really quite stop here. Edmonton's professional choir was able to get health authority approval for live-streamed performances (no audience, masks, 2 m distance between singers, very large spaces with good ventilation), and the theatre that recalled me did the same events last summer (outdoors, audience and technician masked, 2 m spacing between performers, plexi shields between performers and audience if warranted) although last year I declined out of an abundance of caution. And by the time the current heatwave ends, Alberta will have basically "reopened", so I'm not entirely sure what things will look like when we start doing the actual shows.

HAha. A week after the lock-down started, I ordered a Wahl hair trimmer kit on Amazon.
The wife does a fine job, and I am not too picky. I don't expect to pay for a haircut aver again.
{...}

When this all started my wife bought a pair of hair scissors and watched some YouTube videos, and everyone on Zoom has been impressed with how good my hair has looked!

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on June 29, 2021, 01:15:39 pm
Our premiere is messed up more than the others. Bear in mind that Ontario was the only place in the world where golf courses were closed in late April to mid May.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on June 29, 2021, 02:11:49 pm
Our premiere is messed up more than the others. Bear in mind that Ontario was the only place in the world where golf courses were closed in late April to mid May.

Not that it's a competition (what a terrible Olympic sport this would make), but I think I can state (without breaking the rules) that however messed up things are in Ontario, Alberta is almost certainly messier. For example, right around the time that India started running into shortages of basic medical supplies like oxygen, Alberta's per capita case rate was actually higher than India's.

Even messier: a few months ago there was an opinion poll about the province's COVID-19-related restrictions which indicated that ~48% of Albertans felt or strongly felt that the restrictions went too far while ~48% felt or strongly felt that the restrictions didn't go far enough. Good luck with that.

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on June 29, 2021, 03:02:52 pm


Even messier: a few months ago there was an opinion poll about the province's COVID-19-related restrictions which indicated that ~48% of Albertans felt or strongly felt that the restrictions went too far while ~48% felt or strongly felt that the restrictions didn't go far enough. Good luck with that.

-Russ

When do you expect to be doing full blown concerts there with no restrictions? My best estimate here would be late fall but I really hope I'm being pessimistic.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on June 29, 2021, 03:25:45 pm
When do you expect to be doing full blown concerts there with no restrictions? My best estimate here would be late fall but I really hope I'm being pessimistic.
haha.
The Alberta Premier is hell bent on full open for July 1st, and Calgary Stampede to proceed as normal. July11 I believe.
Not all (most) Doctors agree with this "strategy"
I have not heard of any change of plan in the last few weeks, and the first is 2 days away......
Chris.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on June 29, 2021, 03:50:38 pm
haha.
The Alberta Premier is hell bent on full open for July 1st, and Calgary Stampede to proceed as normal. July11 I believe.
Not all (most) Doctors agree with this "strategy"
I have not heard of any change of plan in the last few weeks, and the first is 2 days away......
Chris.

It's not quite this, but close. Stampede, for example, is limiting capacity somewhat to encourage social distancing, and Calgary's mandatory mask bylaw might still be on the books by then (this is currently an open question). Everyone else in the industry around here seems to be proceeding with a good deal more caution, though, so other than Stampede there isn't much happening for big shows until August at the earliest (although even those dates are all "tentative"). The fact that a goodly number of the shows around here (and basically all of the really big ones) are part of US-based tours complicates things, too.

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on June 29, 2021, 05:56:27 pm
It's not quite this, but close. Stampede, for example, is limiting capacity somewhat to encourage social distancing, and Calgary's mandatory mask bylaw might still be on the books by then (this is currently an open question). Everyone else in the industry around here seems to be proceeding with a good deal more caution, though, so other than Stampede there isn't much happening for big shows until August at the earliest (although even those dates are all "tentative"). The fact that a goodly number of the shows around here (and basically all of the really big ones) are part of US-based tours complicates things, too.

-Russ
Thanks for clearing that up a bit for me Russell.
My sources are the national news (for what it's worth), and a business associate in Edmonton who is scared. Real scared.

Stay Safe.
Chris.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 29, 2021, 07:36:15 pm
Not that it's a competition (what a terrible Olympic sport this would make), but I think I can state (without breaking the rules) that however messed up things are in Ontario, Alberta is almost certainly messier. For example, right around the time that India started running into shortages of basic medical supplies like oxygen, Alberta's per capita case rate was actually higher than India's.

Even messier: a few months ago there was an opinion poll about the province's COVID-19-related restrictions which indicated that ~48% of Albertans felt or strongly felt that the restrictions went too far while ~48% felt or strongly felt that the restrictions didn't go far enough. Good luck with that.

-Russ

The Plains is the Plains, whether in the USA or Canada.

Tim "44% vax in KS" Mc
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Doug Fowler on June 29, 2021, 07:50:55 pm
The Plains is the Plains, whether in the USA or Canada.

Tim "44% vax in KS" Mc

We're "winning" here in Missourah.  Virtually everyone who has it is un-jabbed, almost all outside of the Metro areas.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 29, 2021, 07:52:26 pm
It's not quite this, but close. Stampede, for example, is limiting capacity somewhat to encourage social distancing, and Calgary's mandatory mask bylaw might still be on the books by then (this is currently an open question). Everyone else in the industry around here seems to be proceeding with a good deal more caution, though, so other than Stampede there isn't much happening for big shows until August at the earliest (although even those dates are all "tentative"). The fact that a goodly number of the shows around here (and basically all of the really big ones) are part of US-based tours complicates things, too.

-Russ

My observations have been that as an industry, live entertainment is capable of delivering safely produced shows and events right down to the stage apron.  Beyond that - audience, vendors, etc - is a whole 'nuther story.  We know how to keep our crews, talent, and other personnel safe in our bubbles, we've got a very high rate of vaccination and PPE compliance...  But it's the folks who buy the tickets and beers and t-shirts who are not getting vaccinated and who are more inclined to inconsistent use of PPE who pose the challenge.

Good luck, neighbors.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on June 29, 2021, 07:53:38 pm
We're "winning" here in Missourah.  Virtually everyone who has it is un-jabbed, almost all outside of the Metro areas.

Ah, the Charlie Sheen definition of "winning", I see!  ::)
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on June 30, 2021, 12:36:42 am
{...} My sources are the national news (for what it's worth), and a business associate in Edmonton who is scared. Real scared. {...}

The Plains is the Plains, whether in the USA or Canada.

Tim "44% vax in KS" Mc

You know, it's strange out here. Over 70% of those eligible in Alberta have received at least one dose, and over 40% now have two (with that number climbing by a couple of percent per day, limited only by availability).

Things are especially strange in Edmonton. We currently have about 124 active cases (or less than 12 per 100k population), and that number has been dropping for a while. The Delta variant (i.e. the one that can run roughshod over a half-vaccintated population) hasn't taken hold at all (the British variant is still the most dominant one, to the extent that we have a dominant strain right now). New cases are very low in the province, and much lower in Edmonton than in Calgary. And, while government-mandated masking will come to an end here in a couple of days, businesses all across the city have come out publicly and said they are going to continue requiring masks for the foreseeable future.

Of course there are a lot of unknowns, and the Delta variant in particular will continue to be a threat here for at least another month, but we're doing better now than we have in a long time. I just hope Stampede doesn't fuck it all up.

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on June 30, 2021, 09:57:32 am
Got a call yesterday. One of our summer series is going ahead in August with a shortened season and no openers. More are likely to follow.
And I’m fully vax’d as of yesterday. Still not sure how I feel about all this. I’m kinda not feeling ready to go back, yet at the same time I can’t wait. Very conflicted. Not afraid of getting Covid, just hesitant for some unkown reason.
Decided that I needed to get back into shape and loose my Covid-19lbs. Shouldn’t take long....probably shed 2lbs of sweat during this mornings workout.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on June 30, 2021, 12:11:32 pm
Shouldn’t take long....probably shed 2lbs of sweat during this mornings workout.
Unfortunately, my extra weight isn't sweat. ::)
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Mike Pyle on June 30, 2021, 12:46:13 pm
I'm expecting to sub contract part of a car show in August. That will be my first production work since February 2020.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Pluke on June 30, 2021, 02:52:23 pm
I'll finally be able to get a haircut! :)

I beat you by about a week. Feels like I shed 10 pounds!

Dave
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Stephen Swaffer on July 01, 2021, 12:45:47 pm
We're "winning" here in Missourah.  Virtually everyone who has it is un-jabbed, almost all outside of the Metro areas.

I guess I don't understand what the hesitation to get back to "normal" is-if it's the unvaccinated getting covid.  Since the vax is available to everyone, then those getting covid chose not to get vaxed and have to deal with the consequences.  We all deal with the consequences of our choices every day-that's life.  My day job is essentially back to normal-still do prework screens, but no known cases (I am in a position to know) in the last 6-8 weeks.  If you're worried, get the vax and relax.  Not trying to argue, I just honestly don't understand.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Helmke on July 01, 2021, 02:28:35 pm
I guess I don't understand what the hesitation to get back to "normal" is-if it's the unvaccinated getting covid.  Since the vax is available to everyone, then those getting covid chose not to get vaxed and have to deal with the consequences.  We all deal with the consequences of our choices every day-that's life.  My day job is essentially back to normal-still do prework screens, but no known cases (I am in a position to know) in the last 6-8 weeks.  If you're worried, get the vax and relax.  Not trying to argue, I just honestly don't understand.

Not everybody can get the vaccine.  I personally know somebody who is allergic to one of the ingredients.

But beyond that, there's still a bit of risk with respect to variants which may or may not be prevented by the current vaccines.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on July 01, 2021, 03:42:48 pm
Not everybody can get the vaccine.  I personally know somebody who is allergic to one of the ingredients.

But beyond that, there's still a bit of risk with respect to variants which may or may not be prevented by the current vaccines.

This, plus (if you'll pardon the cliche) "think of the children". None of the vaccines in Canada have been authorized for children under 12 (and I believe this is true 'State-side, too). I have colleagues who are double-vaccinated but nothing has really improved for them because they're trying to protect their young children.

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on July 01, 2021, 03:52:52 pm
I guess I don't understand what the hesitation to get back to "normal" is-if it's the unvaccinated getting covid.
Do YOU trust the government, ANY government to have anyone's best interest in mind in this entire cluster fuck?

I certainly don't. There have been far too many examples through history of government pushing out untested and unreliable medical practices of all sorts, including vaccines (or lack of vaccines). Just because we're in 2021 doesn't mean that human nature has changed over the last 100 or 150 years. It's only about money, and power. Nothing else.

And yes, I took the vaccine. If I didn't have to have it to work, I wouldn't have taken it. But I will make sure that every employer I work for knows that that's the only reason I took it, and not out of some altruistic concern for my self or those around me. Because frankly, I DON'T trust that we are being given accurate and truthful information about this entire COVID Pandemic. I trust the government and it's bureaucracy so little that if they told me that the sky was blue, I would have to walk out side and check for myself, just to be sure.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on July 01, 2021, 04:02:48 pm
I guess I don't understand what the hesitation to get back to "normal" is-if it's the unvaccinated getting covid.  Since the vax is available to everyone, then those getting covid chose not to get vaxed and have to deal with the consequences.  We all deal with the consequences of our choices every day-that's life.  My day job is essentially back to normal-still do prework screens, but no known cases (I am in a position to know) in the last 6-8 weeks.  If you're worried, get the vax and relax.  Not trying to argue, I just honestly don't understand.

It's a little more complicated than that.
Both the wife and I are double vaccinated with Moderna.
So far, so good.
This vaccine offers 94% efficacy to a normal, healthy adult.
You can still catch the virus, and spread it, BUT you should not end up in hospital yourself.
IF you're an otherwise healthy adult.

Here's the rub. I am on immunosuppresants for a kidney transplant. My wife has severe asthma / COPD, and was told last month by her lung doctor that even vaccinated, her lungs would not survive catching the virus. She would die.

General public has it in their heads that 2 shots, and go back to the old ways.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
There have been many hospitalizations and a few deaths around here in people that have been fully vaccinated.
Yes, they have all been weakened or frail. Again, NOT healthy adults.

To my family, the threat is very real,and on-going.
Chris.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Chris Hindle on July 01, 2021, 04:06:31 pm
Do YOU trust the government, ANY government to have anyone's best interest in mind in this entire cluster fuck?

In my view, the Governments job, ANY government, is to get re-elected.
End of story.
Chris.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: drew gandy on July 01, 2021, 11:07:08 pm
This is getting philosophical and perhaps a bit existential but here's my take.

Quite a few human beings throughout time have died of diseases (and many other things) without the intervention of any government. A friend recently rejected the offer of an apple from Panera Bread telling me that they won't eat 'that poison' (Panera's apples apparently aren't certified organic). The funny thing is that the seeds of apples are indeed poisonous. It's one of the old tried and true poisons that mankind has come to rely on. We humans have been trying to figure out which things are safe to eat for thousands of years and I think we take for granted (or should I just say, assume) the "safeness" of traditional foods.

I think that the real reason that governments are evil is because they are made up of people. We humans are irrational, egocentric and terribly myopic. It's not government's fault. We've all noticed that humans vary radically in terms of risk taking rationale. Some take risks all day long and some (apparently) try to avoid risk at all costs.

The problem I have is that we never know who's level of "reasonable risk" we're living under at any given moment. When we drive on the road, order a milk shake, receive a vaccine or simply set foot in a condominium building, we're at the mercy of someone else's decisions. I don't think it's reasonable to trust my neighbors (that I barely know) any more than any person in government. They are ALL more than likely to make bad decisions at some point. They are also capable of (sometimes) making altruistic decisions that save a lot of lives.

Now as far as work goes, my work was mostly in corporate AV for smaller meetings. I haven't heard anything yet about going back except some very faint suggestions about some kind of meetings perhaps sometime later this year. I don't know if the decisions about returning will be made by infectious disease experts but since most of the work was for pharma companies with meetings run by actual medical doctors, I suspect there will be some educated and perhaps scientifical risk assessments involved.

Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Russell Ault on July 02, 2021, 12:07:39 am
This is getting philosophical and perhaps a bit existential but here's my take.

Quite a few human beings throughout time have died of diseases (and many other things) without the intervention of any government. A friend recently rejected the offer of an apple from Panera Bread telling me that they won't eat 'that poison' (Panera's apples apparently aren't certified organic). The funny thing is that the seeds of apples are indeed poisonous. It's one of the old tried and true poisons that mankind has come to rely on. We humans have been trying to figure out which things are safe to eat for thousands of years and I think we take for granted (or should I just say, assume) the "safeness" of traditional foods.

I think that the real reason that governments are evil is because they are made up of people. We humans are irrational, egocentric and terribly myopic. It's not government's fault. We've all noticed that humans vary radically in terms of risk taking rationale. Some take risks all day long and some (apparently) try to avoid risk at all costs.

The problem I have is that we never know who's level of "reasonable risk" we're living under at any given moment. When we drive on the road, order a milk shake, receive a vaccine or simply set foot in a condominium building, we're at the mercy of someone else's decisions. I don't think it's reasonable to trust my neighbors (that I barely know) any more than any person in government. They are ALL more than likely to make bad decisions at some point. They are also capable of (sometimes) making altruistic decisions that save a lot of lives.
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I think I take a slightly more optimistic view of human nature than this, but otherwise I think you're striking to the heart of the matter. I often feel like trust is one of those things we all "get", but no one truly understands. The real challenge is that, unless we are all to become recluses (or worse), we are all effectively obliged to trust both our neighbours and our government to at least some extent. Thus, it seems to me that many of problems that facing western societies today can be traced back to this fundamental dilemma: we are forced by practical necessity to trust people who have not, in our eyes, earned it.

This is a challenging enough problem when it pertains to neighbours, but it becomes downright pernicious when applied to government, for the gains and losses of trust in government have a tendency to become self-perpetuating cycles. On the one hand, a government that is generally trusted by those it governs will be given more opportunities and resources (i.e. mandates and taxes) to improve the lives of the governed which, in turn, will cause those people to trust the government more, resulting in more opportunities and resources, etc. (I think of this as the "I'm a happy taxpayer" scenario). Conversely, a government that is generally distrusted by those it governs will be given fewer opportunities and resources, forcing a reduction in services, which in turn will foment further distrust in the government, etc. (the "why would I want to pay more taxes when those bozos can't even do 'X'" scenario). At some point the distrusted government lacks the resources to fulfil even the barest minimum of its intended purpose, and is so distrusted that people start seriously contemplating its abolition (or, rather, its replacement, for nature abhors a power vacuum).

I think for me, regardless of my political leanings, my single greatest belief is not that governments should be "big" or "small", but merely that they must be good. The nature of how societies have developed over time means that we need to be able to trust our governments regardless of who happens to be in charge of them today. Some places seem to have figured this out better than others, but my strong sense is that the sooner we can all trust the governments we live under (or, perhaps, the sooner those governments can find a way to earn our trust), the happier we'll all be.

-Russ
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: John L Nobile on July 02, 2021, 10:22:56 am
I didn't realize this till yesterday but we can now have bands performing outdoors in Ontario. Finally! Numbers for the audience are still limited to 25% though.

That starts our stage 2 opening.  Let's see what Stage 3 brings us.

Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Jonathan Johnson on July 02, 2021, 01:32:16 pm
I didn't realize this till yesterday but we can now have bands performing outdoors in Ontario. Finally! Numbers for the audience are still limited to 25% though.

That starts our stage 2 opening.  Let's see what Stage 3 brings us.

As of June 30, both Washington and Oregon are "fully open" -- whatever that means. So, in theory, we should be able to have gigs and go to restaurants and whatnot without restrictions.

I'm still seeing some masks in the stores. What's less clear is who's wearing masks: is it really people who aren't vaccinated, or is it people who ARE vaccinated doing virtue signalling? Everyone has been eligible for vaccination for over two months by now, and when I went for my second dose at the mass vax site, the providers were mostly standing around doing nothing waiting for people to show up. That means those not vaccinated fall into a few groups:

To the first group, I'd say, "I'm sorry." To the second group, I'd say "How can I help?" To the third group I'd say "Get off your ass and get vaxxed!" To the fourth group I'd say "Freakin' lemmings." (That fourth group would say the same to me, I'm sure. Groupthink can go both ways.)
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Helmke on July 02, 2021, 02:55:28 pm
I'm still seeing some masks in the stores. What's less clear is who's wearing masks: is it really people who aren't vaccinated, or is it people who ARE vaccinated doing virtue signalling?

Don't forget that for a lot of people we've basically been through a war fought somewhere else. More than half a million Americans have died, and a lot of the rest have had to rearrange their life somewhat to get through.  The mental toll is still something we're going to be reckoning with for years.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Doug Fowler on July 02, 2021, 03:01:45 pm
Don't forget that for a lot of people we've basically been through a war fought somewhere else. More than half a million Americans have died, and a lot of the rest have had to rearrange their life somewhat to get through.  The mental toll is still something we're going to be reckoning with for years.

Agreed on the mental health issue. 
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Stephen Swaffer on July 02, 2021, 05:16:32 pm
As of June 30, both Washington and Oregon are "fully open" -- whatever that means. So, in theory, we should be able to have gigs and go to restaurants and whatnot without restrictions.

I'm still seeing some masks in the stores. What's less clear is who's wearing masks: is it really people who aren't vaccinated, or is it people who ARE vaccinated doing virtue signalling? Everyone has been eligible for vaccination for over two months by now, and when I went for my second dose at the mass vax site, the providers were mostly standing around doing nothing waiting for people to show up. That means those not vaccinated fall into a few groups:
  • Medically unable
  • Unable to get to a vaccination clinic or don't know how to
  • Procrastinators
  • Fearful of vaccine / Antivaxxers

To the first group, I'd say, "I'm sorry." To the second group, I'd say "How can I help?" To the third group I'd say "Get off your ass and get vaxxed!" To the fourth group I'd say "Freakin' lemmings." (That fourth group would say the same to me, I'm sure. Groupthink can go both ways.)

I would say there are some that have been vaccinated that are acting as lemmings-and some that are not vaccinated that are the same.

I am also sure there are people in both groups that are not acting as lemmings.  They have looked at the evidence (not from media!), considered their personal experience and not personal situation and made a decision that they hope is right based on their analysis of the risk vs reward.  There is most certainly a risk and most certainly a reward.

I have no idea how large that “thinking” group is-hopefully a very large percentage.  I hope we all learn to be considerate of others realizing that those that we see wearing masks may well have a very real concern and reason for doing so and those who decline the vaccine may have reasons just the same.

I’m concerned the divisiveness that has resulted may be more harmful than the disease-it certainly isn’t helping mental health.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Caleb Dueck on July 02, 2021, 05:41:18 pm
I am also sure there are people in both groups that are not acting as lemmings.  They have looked at the evidence (not from media!), considered their personal experience and not personal situation and made a decision that they hope is right based on their analysis of the risk vs reward.  There is most certainly a risk and most certainly a reward.

I have no idea how large that “thinking” group is-hopefully a very large percentage.  I hope we all learn to be considerate of others realizing that those that we see wearing masks may well have a very real concern and reason for doing so and those who decline the vaccine may have reasons just the same.

I’m concerned the divisiveness that has resulted may be more harmful than the disease-it certainly isn’t helping mental health.

Agreed.  It's very far from 'smart people get the shot, dumb/ignorant/wild-eyed people don't'.  There are both immediate and far-ranging risks, and potential risks, that are very serious on both sides.  Most of which we won't know for another 5-ish years.  What about miscarriages from the shot?  That will take time to sort out for a definitive answer, but that risk isn't something to be taken lightly. 

Most people I know of that are waiting, are doing so until there is enough independent info to make a well-informed decision. 

I was reminded recently that people's medical information is private; using it as a way to condemn others is wrong, regardless of which side of the fence we're on.  I'm seeing that already - I have many relatives on both sides of the fence that are destroying our large, extended family because of this.  That's beyond sad.   
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: drew gandy on July 03, 2021, 06:34:19 pm
I would say there are some that have been vaccinated that are acting as lemmings-and some that are not vaccinated that are the same.

How about comparing the Japanese idiom, "The nail that sticks out is the one that gets hammered down", vs the Disney tale about the lemmings? When I see people conforming I never know if they are dumb or exceedingly wise.

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I’m concerned the divisiveness that has resulted may be more harmful than the disease-it certainly isn’t helping mental health.

Astute and compassionate observation. I concur.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Jonathan Johnson on July 06, 2021, 05:06:39 pm
I would say there are some that have been vaccinated that are acting as lemmings-and some that are not vaccinated that are the same.

I am also sure there are people in both groups that are not acting as lemmings.  They have looked at the evidence (not from media!), considered their personal experience and not personal situation and made a decision that they hope is right based on their analysis of the risk vs reward.  There is most certainly a risk and most certainly a reward.

I have no idea how large that “thinking” group is-hopefully a very large percentage.  I hope we all learn to be considerate of others realizing that those that we see wearing masks may well have a very real concern and reason for doing so and those who decline the vaccine may have reasons just the same.

I’m concerned the divisiveness that has resulted may be more harmful than the disease-it certainly isn’t helping mental health.

When I looked at the numbers and my health conditions, should I have contracted COVID I most likely would have recovered with minimal to no long term effects. But my circle of influence includes people whom I love who would be much more vulnerable. Further, the statistical risk of complications from the vaccine seemed to be far lower than the statistical risk of complications from the disease. Doing the math, it seemed to me that accepting the vaccine posed a far lower risk than rejecting it.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on July 06, 2021, 08:32:16 pm
When I looked at the numbers and my health conditions, should I have contracted COVID I most likely would have recovered with minimal to no long term effects. But my circle of influence includes people whom I love who would be much more vulnerable. Further, the statistical risk of complications from the vaccine seemed to be far lower than the statistical risk of complications from the disease. Doing the math, it seemed to me that accepting the vaccine posed a far lower risk than rejecting it.
The severity of infection seems pretty random from what I've seen.  Overall health may be a factor, but not much of one.  This is the most scary part of Covid to me.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 07, 2021, 01:11:41 am
The severity of infection seems pretty random from what I've seen.  Overall health may be a factor, but not much of one.  This is the most scary part of Covid to me.

^^^ This.

Overall health isn't a consistent indicator of severity, although it may be related to long-haul Covid (the kind that healthier, younger people are getting and likely to have for a year or longer).  If a person has co-morbidity factors like diabetes, COPD, heart disease etc, that person is more likely to end up in ICU and on a ventilator.  Better general health may mean an infection that keeps on giving...  Qualitatively, it's more of case of do you die slowly (or wonder each day if you'll ever recover) or take the express lane to ICU and hope you're among the 65-70% recovery rate.

I'm very concerned for the folks who've not been vaccinated, and particularly those persons who are medically ineligible to receive a vaccine - because they rely solely on community immunity for their protection.  In Kansas we're at 44% vaccination rate; higher in the metro areas and university towns, lower in rural areas.  The further out the physical location (or paranoid thinking), the less likely there will be community immunity to help the medically ineligible.

I mentioned previously about pundits and prognosticators predicting a Covid variant wave of infections and hospitalizations in October.  Right now I'm not sure we'll get to mid-Sept before things get bad again.

Don't give up your mask stash yet...
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Mal Brown on July 11, 2021, 09:24:26 pm
I can attest to the variability.  For me the Covid experience was much like a bad cold.  After 10, days I went for the test as I had a Dentist appt the following week.  3 days later I get the call that I'm positive.   Definately not a false positive as I give blood regularly and am still testing positive for antibodies.

Day I got the call was the best I'd felt in 2 weeks.   We were in the middle of a remodel and unable to really isolate me.  My wife did not and still does not test positive.  Carpenter I was working with is the same.

I got my first shot o'Pfizer and it kicked me to the curb for a week.  Way worse than anything I felt when I actually had it.  Nurse warned me that it might take for a ride and so it did.  Seond shot I had no reaction at all...  was wondering if the second was saline...  I 'm good friends with the county public health nurse- we've played music together - She was the one who called.  We talked a couple of weeks ago, maybe some upcoming gigs (Yay!)  She is sooo burned out on Covid and the non-vaxxed...  apparently gives the talk 10 times a day still...

So, last night I had my first gig in ages.  Sound and video projection for a celebration of life.  A ton of logistical stuff had to happen, piano rental, mutltiple projectors, video camera to record the presentations.  There were 6 or 8 presenters, 5 to 8 minutes each. The deceased was a bit larger than life.  Had a knack for really bring people in.   Heli ski operator in AK, went down last winter.  His clientel wanted to send him off in style and has the means. (Yay!)   

So.. in between the first three speakers I swap the mic bodies.  Bring them back for a wipe down with the clorox wipes and changed out the foam wind screen.  I'm about to swap out for the fourth and...  stopped.   I could sense that I was really just annoying these folks.  They were so not into it.

What I was sure was going to be seen as thorough and safety conscious simply was not.  Ultimately after reading the room, I felt conflicted but given the nature of the event, decided it was not my place to be intrusive.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 11, 2021, 09:41:31 pm
Yesterday's gig was municipal park (a very nice park, perm stage, good power, dock...) for ~2500.

We provided stacks 'n' racks for the headliner and full production for the support.  We wiped down vocal mics as we built stands.  A quick poll showed 90% of artists/crew vaccinated.  Not sure about the audience.

Normal work day - 8am in with full production, artist at noon for a 3pm sound check, support checks starting at 4, gates at 530p for a 7 start.

Our concert venue work is picking back up with "normal" stipulated capacities for those rooms.  If I were 3 people...
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on July 12, 2021, 02:37:38 am
Just finished a 16hr afternoon / evening double header with one band.
SO MANY happy audiencers.  Fun show.  First real show at one of my regular venues.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Ed Taylor on July 20, 2021, 04:29:28 pm
Just finished a 16hr afternoon / evening double header with one band.
SO MANY happy audiencers.  Fun show.  First real show at one of my regular venues.
hey good for you Dave!

it's hit n miss here in the Carlinas. The large shops are busy, but large, means national level stuff. The small venue things...merchant funded etc...they seem to be scraping bottom for local talent that can bring their own PA. Weddings have yet to get back to the size where they need pro audio for ceremony  let alone live band for reception...so I've gotten some small town festival work  but not a lot. I've gotten the call to 1099 it for a large national and i'm now onboard offiicially..but they know that my ability to travel is very limited, and I'm not that good a pro A1...so I am the solution when it's a smaller stage, non-national act, etc.  Looks like that calendar will be healthy come early FAll season.
in the meantime, the oppty came my way to return to a church staff position...regular work, regular income, warm in winter, cool in summer, and the gear lives there...so, yeah... I surrender..my rig can sit in the trailer if need be, I'll take the church gig, and the call to move faders on someone elses rig.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 21, 2021, 12:21:41 am
Sound and video projection for a celebration of life.


What is a "celebration of life"?


COVID kicked me pretty hard, they wanted me in hospital.  I compromised with home O2 and constant Pulseox monitoring.  If I hit 90 I was headed to the emergency room.  I stayed at 95 almost all the time. 


I still have antibodies but the Dr. finally relented and I got the vaccine today, Pfizer.  Have a wedding on Sat. so praying no side effects, so far so good.


Corporate has not come back, I have no idea what 8th day does, but all the other companies in town (notice I said companies, no idea what the trunk slammers are doing) are booked to or above capacity.  A1's are scarce as hens teeth and stage hands that are any good are too. 


This wedding on Sat. is an oddball, I am just doing the ceremony.  We work with three primary wedding bands, nothing with them until October.  Convention center, conference center at both universities are still closed.  Outdoor and 1000 or so capacity venues are crazy.  We have done more music gigs in the last 60 days than we did in 2019.


Good luck Mal.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on July 21, 2021, 03:02:14 am
Corporate has not come back, I have no idea what 8th day does, but all the other companies in town (notice I said companies, no idea what the trunk slammers are doing) are booked to or above capacity.  A1's are scarce as hens teeth and stage hands that are any good are too. 

I'm curious if you are hiring union stage hands and A1s? Or if the scarcity is mainly from the freelancers and non-union crews?

I'm only asking because I've done a few non-union A1 calls here locally, but have done more union work. But most of our work isn't going to gear up until mid August when Broadway comes back, which will signal the beginning of our regular season with our regular arts groups, which looks to be pretty much back to normal. Hopefully more lockdowns won't ruin that trend and put everyone out of work again.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 21, 2021, 03:27:29 am
I'm curious if you are hiring union stage hands and A1s? Or if the scarcity is mainly from the freelancers and non-union crews?

I'm only asking because I've done a few non-union A1 calls here locally, but have done more union work. But most of our work isn't going to gear up until mid August when Broadway comes back, which will signal the beginning of our regular season with our regular arts groups, which looks to be pretty much back to normal. Hopefully more lockdowns won't ruin that trend and put everyone out of work again.


Hi Justice, glad to hear good news continue to come from you.  Are you thinking of going back out with BMG?



Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on July 21, 2021, 04:21:22 am
Hi Justice, glad to hear good news continue to come from you.  Are you thinking of going back out with BMG?


I'm hoping to. I don't have any definite information that I can talk about publicly however. And they have not released any info for the restart of the tour as of yet.


I'm on tap as the house A1 for the PAC that I formerly worked at full time. Though this time I'll be on the IA payroll instead of the city/venue payroll. Probably do some recording in the fall also. We'll see how much work I'm getting locally and see how that relates to what I would make on the road.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Brian Bolly on July 21, 2021, 07:39:50 am
What is a "celebration of life"?

Anything from just another term for a funeral, to a party/gathering at a (much) later date for friends and family to celebrate the past life of the decedent.  I’ve seen a lot more of these mentioned in the last 18 months. 

Glad to hear you’re on the mend, Scott.  It seems everyone’s response to the shot is a bit different, much like the virus itself.  If you make it through to tomorrow without any major side effects, you may want to clear your schedule for 24-48 hours after the second jab, just in case.  Have a few bottles of Gatorade and some Advil on hand as well.

As for work, I didn’t want to take any dates prior to getting both shots. Since Europe was a bit slow on the rollout, we weren’t even eligible until the beginning of June.  Throw a transatlantic move into the mix and I’m just now comfortable with filling the calendar.  So the end of this month is a slow ramp, but next month is full on, including a few new clients - always a bonus.  In the meantime, plenty of shop prep to be had.
Title: Re: Anybody Working?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 22, 2021, 03:12:56 am

I'm hoping to. I don't have any definite information that I can talk about publicly however. And they have not released any info for the restart of the tour as of yet.


I'm on tap as the house A1 for the PAC that I formerly worked at full time. Though this time I'll be on the IA payroll instead of the city/venue payroll. Probably do some recording in the fall also. We'll see how much work I'm getting locally and see how that relates to what I would make on the road.


Excellent, I was looking for any inside scoop.  I was more interested if you were thinking of staying close to home or hitting the road again.  Sounds like you have a plateful of options now.  Quite a difference from those most challenging of days.  Now we just need to get together over a plate of your amazing looking BBQ!