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This thread was created because as far as I know there is not a Ideascale or a place to post our recommended upgrades to the next software version for Midas Pro series.
My intention is to not start a debate about whats a good idea or bad. Its simple to give Midas a idea of our wants and needs. I figure that if enough of us post the same recommended updates then maybe they will act on it.
They're mother company seems to listen so why shouldn't they.
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My list:
#1 Save the channel name, and VCA assignment in the whole channel preset.
The name is the most important piece when saving a whole channel preset why is it not there.
#2 Have some sort of save history list you can go back to if you screwed up saving your scene or show file.
#3 UNDO button. We need a go back one step button. Or call it save my ass button.
#4 Parametric and graphic EQ's on all outputs.
#5 In flip mode you should be able to do the X32 style flip. Select your channel in flip mode and see the levels of that channel on the output faders for 8 mixes at a time.
#6 A Check box in setup so that you can turn on and off safety pop up windows when jumping scenes. I have solved this problem by installing covers over my Next and Last buttons using the SIP button covers.
#7 Talk Back on the back of the desk should be used for the talk back circuit. I was told currently it really doesn't serve a purpose.
#8 The up and down arrows in the aux knob area (pro2) should light up to indicate what group of 8 your on. Top group (top arrow) middle group (both arrows) bottom group (bottom arrow)
#9 When you have more than 8 channels in a pop group and that pop group is selected the desk should automatically go into extend mode (pro1/Pro2c) Have a box in setup to turn this on and off.
I think that most of these ideas could have a check box in setup to turn them on and off. I say give us the option to turn things on and off.
I think Midas needs to realize that the price point that these desks are now in puts them in the hands of local / regional sound companies which handle throw and go festivals for the most part. Lets face it the desk is designed for touring but carries a festival price tag. We need speed of setup like names in the presets and safety of not jumping scenes by accident that in a festival situation could mean from one band to another. FYI I'm sick of hearing "its Linux based the software can't do that" Bullshit X32 does it, so does every other Linux based desk.
Please post your ideas below. If you don't voice your opinion they wont know what you want.
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Dear Brian,
Thanks for sharing your feature requests. We look forward to hearing from you, our customers, with any feedback to further improve both our products and the overall MIDAS experience. Post your requests here and I will ensure the right people at MIDAS read them.
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This thread was created because as far as I know there is not a Ideascale or a place to post our recommended upgrades to the next software version for Midas Pro series.
My intention is to not start a debate about whats a good idea or bad. Its simple to give Midas a idea of our wants and needs. I figure that if enough of us post the same recommended updates then maybe they will act on it.
They're mother company seems to listen so why shouldn't they.
Having the Cue follow the mix that you are listening to when in a monitor world environment is my biggest thing.
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Dear Brian,
Thanks for sharing your feature requests. We look forward to hearing from you, our customers, with any feedback to further improve both our products and the overall MIDAS experience. Post your requests here and I will ensure the right people at MIDAS read them.
Thanks Chase much appreciated.
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My solution to the Scene problem I have.
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Hello,
My List.
1) Allow Aux ON/OFF to be unlinked on linked channels. This would allow me to have two linked channels, 1 for main mix, one for monitors.
I could control the aux levels from the main mix channel but it only affects the monitor mix channel since I would have the send turned off on the main channel but the send levels still linked.
This would work as a work around for the lack of pre-eq sends.
2) When using a Zoomed in Graphic on Mixtender 2, Still allow access to the Mix master Fader and mute for that graphic without having to zoom back out.
Thanks
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My list –
• Pre-fader pre-EQ auxiliary sends.
• When you select an aux send which has an EFX assigned, the EFX appear on the screen; have the same happen when there is an EQ assigned to an aux send.
• An RTA displayed on the EQ page like the iLive and the X32.
• A better reverb like a Lexicon …. or iLive 482 patch!
• GEQs and PEQs on all outputs automatically like an iLive
• Dynamic EQs on all channels like a Digico
Thx
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Post Fader Insert Points. Let me get my Dugan in there without crazy workarounds!
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Pre-EQ aux sends are not possible owing to the hardware.
Justin's idea of un-linked Aux on/off is a great one that I wish I'd thought of.
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Pre-EQ aux sends are not possible owing to the hardware.
may be .... http://soundforums.net/product-reviews/2470-midas-pro-2-a-3.html
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1/ On the Pro1 being in fader flip mode is not highlighted enough, I think there needs to some sort of global indicator. If you switch screens, say to FX rack & fader flip is still activated, the only indication I have is a lit aux send select button. Being in fader flip mode & not realising it can cause no end of trouble.
2/ I'd also like to see a better RTA.
With my previous setup I could solo any channel or send & see the audio with much higher resolution. This was very useful for finding those problematic frequencies.
3/ The offline editor version needs to match the f/w version.
Slightly veering off thread but is it just me or are the firmware update links on the Midas site not working? I'm getting 404s. I'm not sure my F/W is fully up to date.
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1/ On the Pro1 being in fader flip mode is not highlighted enough, I think there needs to some sort of global indicator. If you switch screens, say to FX rack & fader flip is still activated, the only indication I have is a lit aux send select button. Being in fader flip mode & not realising it can cause no end of trouble.
2/ I'd also like to see a better RTA.
With my previous setup I could solo any channel or send & see the audio with much higher resolution. This was very useful for finding those problematic frequencies.
3/ The offline editor version needs to match the f/w version.
Slightly veering off thread but is it just me or are the firmware update links on the Midas site not working? I'm getting 404s. I'm not sure my F/W is fully up to date.
I've just downloaded the latest editor & it all matches up now, patching & effects. Thanks!
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I would like to be able to assign the user knobs and buttons to *selected channel* - gain, trim, eq f/q/g, HPF/LPF. It would be very useful on festivals to be able to run down the row getting things set quickly during line checks.
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I would like to be able to assign the user knobs and buttons to *selected channel* - gain, trim, eq f/q/g, HPF/LPF. It would be very useful on festivals to be able to run down the row getting things set quickly during line checks.
Exactly.
Or on the PRO1 to make them AUX1-8 (my monitors) for whichever channel is selected. The PRO2 already has these knobs.
Jason
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1/ On the Pro1 being in fader flip mode is not highlighted enough, I think there needs to some sort of global indicator. If you switch screens, say to FX rack & fader flip is still activated, the only indication I have is a lit aux send select button. Being in fader flip mode & not realising it can cause no end of trouble.
This is my biggest complaint regarding the PRO1. I am sure I will get used to it but it already has messed me up on several occasions. Flip Fader mode on other manufacturer's consoles is typically more "in your face". The little lights in the aux buttons are NOT very noticeable in sunlight.
Jason
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My list:
#3 UNDO button. We need a go back one step button. Or call it save my ass button.
#4 Parametric and graphic EQ's on all outputs.
#5 In flip mode you should be able to do the X32 style flip. Select your channel in flip mode and see the levels of that channel on the output faders for 8 mixes at a time.
#6 A Check box in setup so that you can turn on and off safety pop up windows when jumping scenes. I have solved this problem by installing covers over my Next and Last buttons using the SIP button covers.
I think that most of these ideas could have a check box in setup to turn them on and off. I say give us the option to turn things on and off.
I think Midas needs to realize that the price point that these desks are now in puts them in the hands of local / regional sound companies which handle throw and go festivals for the most part. Lets face it the desk is designed for touring but carries a festival price tag. We need speed of setup like names in the presets and safety of not jumping scenes by accident that in a festival situation could mean from one band to another. FYI I'm sick of hearing "its Linux based the software can't do that" Bullshit X32 does it, so does every other Linux based desk.
Please post your ideas below. If you don't voice your opinion they wont know what you want.
PLUS 1
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Having the Cue follow the mix that you are listening to when in a monitor world environment is my biggest thing.
This indeed is a feature i would really like to see in the new update. This would make the Pro1 a lot easier to use for monitor applications!
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-If you select a mix on the output faders, it flips to faders instead of having to select it in the outputs section.
-When you are viewing the mix outputs on the screen, the labels should line up with the pots, not all be together
-Gain control on the iPad app
-+1 for reverse flip and always there RTA (both X32 features...)
....and the biggest one....
-FIX THE PATCH SCREEN. IT MAKES NO SENSE. You should not have to hover your mouse over ever single thing to see what it is. Clearer labels would also be nice.
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How about making MIDI program change=scene recall work? I've tried and tried with no success and have had essentially no help from multiple calls to Midas Tech Support... :(
While we're talking MIDI, how about implementing delay tap tempo to follow MIDI beat clock?
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i like to have :
-Gain control on the iPad app
-reverse flip from aux master
- RTA in the eq screen like X32
-a indication in the screen when the console
is in fader flip mode. I see it on the pro2c but not on a pro1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r06n5WZmS6Q&feature=youtu.be
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i like to have :
-Gain control on the iPad app
-reverse flip from aux master
- RTA in the eq screen like X32
-a indication in the screen when the console
is in fader flip mode. I see it on the pro2c but not on a pro1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r06n5WZmS6Q&feature=youtu.be
Read the rules, fix your display name.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Thank you Vancoillie.
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1. The rta in the EQ screen
2. Reverse flip mode
3. Unlinked aux on/off and pre/post
4. Ability to assign two outputs (left, right) on one bus. Stereo bus like Digico. That's useful for in ears which everyone prefer stereo. You won't have to use two busses linked for the same job. That kind of doubles the stereo busses.
5. Windows editor, and Android apps with the ability to lock each phone to a specific bus.
6. Some think like 48in/48 out via USB or whatever so we can use the console directly to a daw like x32, m32.
7. A complete addition to the software so we can use behringer's personal monitor system "powerplay 16"
8. Assignable controls for the selected channel. And layers on the controls so when we use it for auxes we can push left or right arrows to move between aux1-8, aux9-16, mtx1-8.
9. Lots of effects. Like pcm reverb, d2 delay, 3000 reverb, De essers (besides dynamic eq), some kind of feedback eliminator. would be nice..
10. The ability to select what the screen output will show. There is no use for the external screen if it shows what is shown on the onboard screen. It would be very useful for example to have the external screen always show the home page. This way you can monitor the outputs especially in the pro1 which doesn't have dedicated meters.
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1. The rta in the EQ screen
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Some great ideas here. Lets just hope they get off they're high horse and listen to the users.
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G 2.05.04 Is this the newest ver? Does anyone have or know of a link that describes the changes made from 3.03 ? I've been happy with the desk and no problems so if there is a good reason to update i would. Thank You for any help with this....
You're replying to a post heading regard ing the requirement to use your real, full name for Forum participation...yet you're using a moniker instead.
This seems to define the term "clueless".
How can you miss the posting rules?
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You're replying to a post heading regard ing the requirement to use your real, full name for Forum participation...yet you're using a moniker instead.
This seems to define the term "clueless".
How can you miss the posting rules?
Dick, thanks for bringing a smile to my face. It's been a crazy day here. :)
I guess those posting rules are hard to find or something? :-p
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Dick, thanks for bringing a smile to my face. It's been a crazy day here. :)
I guess those posting rules are hard to find or something? :-p
Yeah, you only have to scroll past them THREE TIMES to register.
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Yeah, you only have to scroll past them THREE TIMES to register.
Hey, come'on, you can't expect me to grasp something in only three tries!
-Ray "who says 'it took me two tries to get through the fifth grade,' while holding up *three* fingers" Aberle
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G 2.05.04 Is this the newest ver? Does anyone have or know of a link that describes the changes made from 3.03 ? I've been happy with the desk and no problems so if there is a good reason to update i would. Thank You for any help with this....
H E Y :
Read the rules, fix your display name.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Not a feature request. Just a bug report.
I had a strange thing happen where a fader for a channel in a POP group would affect a fader for a channel in a different POP group. Only the fader though, not the audio. They both shared the same position on the surface.
I could view the affected fader on Mixtender and it had not moved and it was were it should be in reference to the audio level. If I then moved the fader on the surface, the fader as seen in Mixtender would then move towards the position of the surface fader but only the amount I had moved the surface fader. I could actually move the surface fader up and down little increments at a lower position and the mixtender fader would move down towards the surface fader position in those little increments. Regardless if I pushed the surface fader up or down.
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Another feature request - When In Graphic EQ zoom mode, ability to switch between other mix eqs without having to zoom back out.
Thanks
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I have a thread suggesting these two things already, but I figured I would re-iterate here:
- Fix the random-direct-out-muting issue. I've been having this problem on the Pro 2...all direct outs will mute sometimes when moving around between scenes.
- Allow direct outs to be sent BETWEEN EQ and compression as opposed to the two being together.
Lastly, it would be great if there was an easier way to turn sends on/off in flip mode (maybe by touching the channel select/name button?). Maybe it's already there and I'm missing it...
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I have a thread suggesting these two things already, but I figured I would re-iterate here:
- Fix the random-direct-out-muting issue. I've been having this problem on the Pro 2...all direct outs will mute sometimes when moving around between scenes.
Been having this problem lately. Direct outs are feeding aviom, whenever we boot up the console, or sometimes between changing scenes, direct outs get muted seemingly at random. Happens to both channels that are all recall safed, and those that aren't.
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Been having this problem lately. Direct outs are feeding aviom, whenever we boot up the console, or sometimes between changing scenes, direct outs get muted seemingly at random. Happens to both channels that are all recall safed, and those that aren't.
My predicament exactly. Tends to be a big issue.
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i work now a few weeks with the console en in my opinion it wil be great if there is a knop in preference page that you can switch. or all the rotarys en channel strip are gain ,or all the Rotarys are gain en channel strip is trim. I mix foh en monitors with the same desk , a midas pro1. I work with gain ,but sometimes i turn the knob in channel strip en its trim. for me ,al the knobs(assign knop en gain/trim knob in channel strip) must be gain. I don't work with trim. En i think its for the most people trim or gain ,en not togheter ? If you work with 2 consoles ,1 on foh en 1 on monitors. The foh had for example the gain ,en monitors trim but not the 2 togheter. now we have the two en i miss a lot.
is there already news about a V3 for the consoles?
(sorry for my bad english)
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1) I would like to have mic pre and insert separated in recall scope page. ( I'm trying to build a scene that recalls only insert settings, so that I can run plugins through computer and if something happens with the computer, I would be able to switch off all the inserts routed through computer. At the moment, the preamp gains will be also recalled)
2) there should be more options for the assignable buttons, they should have just about every option available on the board.
3) some kind of music player in the console for PA check
Also it should read usb sticks with music.
4) dynamics and gain/trim in the ipad app
5) de-esser is very needed.
6) dynamic eq option instead of comp for every channel
7) few more effect racks, eq bands would be nice.
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Been having this problem lately. Direct outs are feeding aviom, whenever we boot up the console, or sometimes between changing scenes, direct outs get muted seemingly at random. Happens to both channels that are all recall safed, and those that aren't.
Do you use the "Automate Patching?" option? That may have a bearing on the muting problem.
Cheers,
Andy.
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@ Kaarel Tamra
Point 6: dynamic eq instead of compression on every channel is not something i would prefer. I would like to have more dynamic Eq's and maybe as an addition to the channel strip in stead of the FX rack. But not as a replacement of the compressors.
Point 7: Few more effect racks is also not going to happen. Smaller footprint mixers of the PRO series are being downgraded in channel count and FX count but not in Soundquality. This is one of the strong points of their series. So unless you are talking about the Pro-X where you would like more FX this is probably not going to happen.
Point 5: I could not agree more with you!
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#1 undo scene recall. I accidentally hit "now" and got zeroed out once.
#2 parametric stays when inserting graph on outputs. This really seems like a no brainer at this point in digital consoles. I was pretty shocked when I had a parametric happening and heard it go away when I clicked the geq button....
#3 maybe have the arrows on the aux knob selection stay lit depending on where you are. Top arrow is 1-8, bottom Arrow 9-16. Both arrows matrix sends?
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well here are a few:
1 Preview Mode
I would like to have the ability to take the console offline in a ‘Preview Mode’ well it will still passes audio from the last state I was active. Giving the engineer the ability to ‘check’ his programmed stuff, and on stage they can go one, without interruption of scene recall.
2 Recall scope
Altering the recall scope, without having it to store over and over an again. I think this is a real deal breaker
3 VCA mutes
When a VCA is muted, all contribution should show their state.
4 VCA virtual faders
VCA Virtual faders visible in software, so you know when you push a input fader open, there will be no sound coming off, because the VCA fader is ‘down’.
5 Eventlist/Macro list
Creating action and triggers, so the console can adapt to everyone’s workflow
6 Hardware safe
Hardware safe buttons should be show file specific not global.
7 VCA area A&B assignments
VCA area assignments should be show file specific not global
8 Numeric values visible
Extra option for displaying numeric values besides each control that won't disappear. Could be real handy for mixing monitors, making them visible in the home screen
9 VCA members recall in scope
Recall scenes without recalling VCA members
10 Channel names safe in scope
Recall scenes without recalling channel names
11 channel pan safe in scope
Recall only Pan Information
12 Delay safe in scope
Recall only delay Information
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well here are a few:
1 Preview Mode
I would like to have the ability to take the console offline in a ‘Preview Mode’ well it will still passes audio from the last state I was active. Giving the engineer the ability to ‘check’ his programmed stuff, and on stage they can go one, without interruption of scene recall.
2 Recall scope
Altering the recall scope, without having it to store over and over an again. I think this is a real deal breaker
3 VCA mutes
When a VCA is muted, all contribution should show their state.
4 VCA virtual faders
VCA Virtual faders visible in software, so you know when you push a input fader open, there will be no sound coming off, because the VCA fader is ‘down’.
5 Eventlist/Macro list
Creating action and triggers, so the console can adapt to everyone’s workflow
6 Hardware safe
Hardware safe buttons should be show file specific not global.
7 VCA area A&B assignments
VCA area assignments should be show file specific not global
8 Numeric values visible
Extra option for displaying numeric values besides each control that won't disappear. Could be real handy for mixing monitors, making them visible in the home screen
9 VCA members recall in scope
Recall scenes without recalling VCA members
10 Channel names safe in scope
Recall scenes without recalling channel names
11 channel pan safe in scope
Recall only Pan Information
12 Delay safe in scope
Recall only delay Information
For your #2 have you looked into Show Editor? Its a great tool I'm not sure if this would solve your problem. But I agree with all of your suggestions.