Russ Buck wrote on Tue, 23 February 2010 15:34 |
I was asked to figure out what we need and come up with a price. Here is the quote I got " We don't need "Cadillacs" but we don't want "Yugos" either. Maybe a nice Oldsmobile" We are a smaller church maybe 120ish people each week and we meet in an 100+ old building with huge ceilings. I know our board is thinking this should cost around $1000, I am hoping to figure something out for around $2000 I don't think they can justify anything more than this. Currently we have a set of Yamaha club series (one of which has a blown woofer). From what I have heard here and else where just buying a set of speakers and setting them on each side of the stage is not the best way of doing things. I just don't know where to start. Do some of the bigger music equipt. suppliers have people that help with this? Should I look for a sound engineer to come and tell me what to get and where to place? currently we have the speakers about head height placed at each side of the room just in front of the stage, and angled them in. Any help would be great. Russ sorry if I rambled on... |
Russ Buck wrote on Tue, 23 February 2010 15:34 |
Here is the quote I got " We don't need "Cadillacs" but we don't want "Yugos" either. Maybe a nice Oldsmobile" |
Russ Buck wrote on Tue, 23 February 2010 15:34 |
From what I have heard here and else where just buying a set of speakers and setting them on each side of the stage is not the best way of doing things. |
Russ Buck wrote on Wed, 24 February 2010 09:18 |
That's why I am here getting advice. I Realize there is much more than just finding a speaker in my price range. i was thrown the number ($1000) by someone that would of just looked in a catalog for speakers that "Looked Good" for the price. There are other people involved that have the same approach, run to the local music store and buy some speakers within the price range, I am hoping to get the nessasary info to help them understand that we need to bring in an expert. My hope it to find a few options and let them decide how they want to proceed. I threw the prices out there to let everyone reading know where I am coming from. If Hiring a professional is going to run in the $10000+ then I don't think we are at that point yet, and maybe we need to figure out something to "get us buy a few more years. But I have know idea what cost we are talking about. |
Russ Buck wrote on Wed, 24 February 2010 11:18 |
That's why I am here getting advice. I Realize there is much more than just finding a speaker in my price range. i was thrown the number ($1000) by someone that would of just looked in a catalog for speakers that "Looked Good" for the price. There are other people involved that have the same approach, run to the local music store and buy some speakers within the price range, I am hoping to get the nessasary info to help them understand that we need to bring in an expert. My hope it to find a few options and let them decide how they want to proceed. I threw the prices out there to let everyone reading know where I am coming from. If Hiring a professional is going to run in the $10000+ then I don't think we are at that point yet, and maybe we need to figure out something to "get us buy a few more years. But I have know idea what cost we are talking about. |
Russ Buck wrote on Thu, 25 February 2010 12:26 |
To clairify more on my situation. the building is older, basicly a square, so it's wider than deep where people seat and the ceiling vaults up probably 40' at the point, with huge stained glass on one side and the back wall. I am guessing the room dim. are close to 100' square. |
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Currently the speakers are at the far sides sitting on shelfs the band is to one side of the stage so that speaker is set a little bit closer to the pews than the other side. |
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We are a very contemporary music style with drums, guitars, bass, keyboards, and everything is run through the board, including the Bass via a direct box. We are also planning on caging the drums sometime in the near feature which I think will make the speaker issues even worse. |
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The front is loud and they are not very clear in sound, you get very different sounds depending on where you are at in the room. |
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We have a newer Allen and heath GL2400 sound board , Apc8 compressors on the individual inputs, currently power the existing speaker with a crown amp and no processors, or crossovers. |
Keith Shannon wrote on Thu, 25 February 2010 11:34 |
...your #1 concern is taming the room's acoustics. That will definitely require some professional consultation. Be aware that acoustical treatment will alter the aesthetics of the space; curtains, acoustical paneling, even architectural changes may be required to bring the reverb time down to "acceptable" levels. It's likely also going to cost several times your budget. |
Russ Buck wrote on Fri, 26 February 2010 15:46 |
I had a chance to get some excat measurements legth of room is 50' deep and it's 45' wide. There is a small room off the side of the main room. 8' deep and 20' wide. I am not really concerned with the sound quality in that area but thought I would put it in as it might changes something. the ceiling height is 25' high and as you can see in the picture it's vaulted on all sides almost to a point. the stage area is 8 1/2' deep at the center and 12 1/2' deep on the left side where the drums and instruments are. |
Russ Buck wrote on Tue, 23 February 2010 20:34 |
I was asked to figure out what we need and come up with a price. stage, and angled them in. Any help would be great. |
George S Dougherty wrote on Tue, 23 March 2010 10:54 |
I feel reasonably safe the speakers aren't coming down before the building does. |
Brad Weber wrote on Sun, 28 March 2010 09:52 | ||
I think that it is important to note that George had a good idea of the issues involved and specifically tried to address them. He also had a good situation for attaching the speakers to the structure. And he is probably willing to assume liability for his work. These are not all valid for every situation and should not be seen as suggesting that just anyone can or should fly their own speakers or build speakers for flying. I think David gave some good ideas based on the budget available. However, the comment regarding running the bass and drums through the system concerns me as if you need the speakers to provide support for those sources beyond their natural sound in that room, then you may be looking for a lot more speaker than a ZX1. |
Russ Buck wrote on Wed, 21 April 2010 07:27 |
Ok after looking into this a little more, thinking I may be better off finding some main speakers that can handle the bass as well, cost wise this should be cheaper than mains and subs, and extra processor for the subs. Can anyone give me a recomendation for a decent flyable speaker that can handle bass, and drums. maybe not perfect as down the road we can add subs. |