Antone Atmarama Bajor wrote on Sat, 02 December 2006 15:42 |
... But almost none of the Car Sub forum people know anything about in cab gain. Most of the people working at car audio places don't know anything about it either. I want to know more about predicting room or cab gain. Antone- |
Mark "Bass Pig" Weiss wrote on Fri, 08 December 2006 23:12 |
What always gets me about the car sub folks is their de facto procedure of inflating SPL figures. 179dB from 4 18" drivers? C'mon, get real. |
Andy Peters wrote on Sun, 10 December 2006 05:14 | ||
I think they simply add the SPL numbers from each speaker together. You know, each speaker does 44.5 dB by itself, so four times 44.5 dB is ... -a |
Christian Effendy wrote on Fri, 26 January 2007 08:27 |
That's cabin gain, boys. Well, and with very large amount of power and excursion too. A single 'normal' 12" sub driver that's only have around 90dB SPL in free space, can have 20Hz SPL at 100dB in car with proper enclosure and placement. When the room is very small and the pressure is very high, you can have an incredible SPL numbers. Try this with an SPL meter: Crank your pro 2x18 sub in free field, then do the same thing in your house. Notice the added SPL in bass region? Want more? Play it in a small, concrete basement. |
Mark "Bass Pig" Weiss wrote on Sat, 09 December 2006 00:12 |
What always gets me about the car sub folks is their de facto procedure of inflating SPL figures. 179dB from 4 18" drivers? C'mon, get real. |
Mark "Bass Pig" Weiss wrote on Mon, 29 January 2007 23:50 |
There's a video reposted on YouTube, from Realm of Excursion, OTOH, if 4 RE 18" drivers COULD do that, then i reckon 4 Bassmaxx ZR18s would have broken all the store windows. |
Mike {AB} Butler wrote on Tue, 30 January 2007 08:04 |
Mark, Mark understands deep bass reproduction probably better than you and I put together (read down to posts below). Now to my point: Sure, there have been windows blown out of cars. Remember that the cubic air volume of a car is very small.. compared to that of a store. Unless they set up the speakers right at the store windows, the chances of that much movement diminish rapidly, as sound decreases in energy level over distance. You cannot get the same energy at 50' as you get at 4'.. without an exponential jump in accoustical output. Point is, the two events compared here (interior of a car and the interior of a store) are NOT one and the same. Regards, |
Mark Sadhra wrote on Tue, 30 January 2007 15:40 |
I understand but claiming that if the RE's can shake windows, Bassmaxx subs would shatter the windows is wrong. SPL has way more to do with the install than equipment used. I bet it's around 90% install 10% equipment. |
Mark "Bass Pig" Weiss wrote on Tue, 30 January 2007 20:48 |
Gentlemen: \ Auto systems are rediculously inefficient with tiny sealed boxes. A large, vented box with a Hemholtz resonator tuned to 10Hz might be believeable, but not sealed boxes with drivers that are clipping badly. |
Mark Sadhra wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 05:37 |
Why does it require massive output at 10hz? most SPL systems are tuned around 50hz.Spl systems don't use small sealed boxes they use very large ported boxes tuned high. Take a look at the link below. Thats a install log of a system similar to the one in the viseo. Same subs 4000 watts more power. http://fresnoracing.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=30159 |
Mark "Bass Pig" Weiss wrote on Mon, 29 January 2007 21:50 |
There's a video reposted on YouTube, from Realm of Excursion, claiming to be shaking the windows on some storefront. Here's the video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wAxPwh5bF0 However, it looks suspicious for the following reasons: Look at the guy leaving the store. Now most of us have seen windows shake like that when the door slams. The timing of the window shake, just a couple seconds before the guy passes by is awfully suspect. If it were really that possible to produce enough infrasound to shake the windows from 20' away like that, then the guy would be doubling over and vomiting on himself, or perhaps would avoid walking in that direction altogether. At the very least, he'd be putting his hands over his ears in a hurry as that soundblast occurs. He didn't react at all, which is suspicious. I think the audio was dubbed in later, or the whole video was shot at a time when they KNEW a customer would be leaving the store. OTOH, if 4 RE 18" drivers COULD do that, then i reckon 4 Bassmaxx ZR18s would have broken all the store windows. |
steve meade wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 13:06 |
just playin...anyway i wouldnt mind coming around here and learning some home audio expertise from you guys since im interested in that field. |
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I gotta say though when it comes to the car enviroment some of you guys should be taking notes and not coming to conclusions without having the facts.....the same way I SHOULD before popping off at the jaws about what YOU guys are doing. |
steve meade wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 20:54 |
i drive a Tahoe not a Scion thanks |
Antone Atmarama Bajor wrote on Fri, 01 December 2006 20:07 |
Just wondering what happened to the car subwoofer thread??? I know its not PA (Public Adress/Pro Audio) But it did involve using "PA" Drivers. Antone- |