Tim McCulloch wrote on Fri, 01 June 2007 15:24 |
If I were building a club rig that I had to move myself, I'd probably purchase Growlers. Tim Mc |
Matt Jordan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 21:04 |
I can demo Growlers in Boise, ID. I just took delivery on 2 units, and will be the Northwestern Growler dealer. Four words. I am VERY impressed. Thanks Jeff |
josh sense wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 22:13 | ||
boise is a loooooong way from new orleans. |
Phil LaDue wrote on Wed, 27 June 2007 20:27 | ||
Nahh, it's only 2221.88 miles |
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 13:04 | ||||
At Mach 1 it should take about 2 hours and 53 minutes for the sound to get there. Fire them up! -Bink |
Roy Tamanaha wrote on Thu, 28 June 2007 15:58 |
There have already been so many positive things said about the JTR Growlers on PSW so please forgive any redundancy in this post. But for anyone who hasn't had the opportunity to hear and/or use with these subs, I want to share my recent experiences with you. My take is from a slightly different angle?..I purchased twelve of these great little cabs. I started out by purchasing four Growlers from Jeff (great guy, easy to work with, and very knowledgeable), and was so impressed that I ended up purchasing twelve in all. My reason for acquiring so many was to have the extra head room if needed for a large outdoor event that took place this past Memorial Day with 5000+ in attendance. As it turned out, I believe that we could have gotten by with just eight (four a side). The Growlers are very efficient and capable of high power handling. We setup the Growlers in L-R clusters, mouths coupled, with eight Martin H3s on top. The system slammed! It required very little EQ and in fact, we ran the low end flat to the cut-off freq?.around 35Hz. The output from the Growlers was incredible! The lineup for the event included everything from jazz, to rap, to a high octane (but great!) rock band which included former members of Oingo Boingo. The Growlers pounded out the low end with extension and output that rivaled or beat any of the best dual 18?s we?ve used in the past and with much better sound quality! At about 500 ft back from the stage, the low end pounding was still very pronounced. Other than some stage and power problems, the event went very well. Lots of compliments on the sound system from both the audience and performers alike (lots of references to how ?fat? and ?full? the system sounded) and we were offered the contract for next year?s event. The Growlers are amazing subs especially when you consider their size, and keep in mind they?re loaded with a single twelve! They produce what I can only describe as a very in-your-face wavefront that for lack of a better term, ?growls?. The sound is full, with the kind of impact that you would expect from front loaded subs. I can't get over how much I appreciate the immense sound from such a small package! Not being the youngest guy in the sound business, size and weight have become very important considerations when contemplating purchases and upgrades. Of course, we?ve used the Growlers on a smaller scale, one or two a side for indoor corporate gigs. The bands are usually bass heavy, seven to nine pieces, for crowds ranging from 300 to 500. We?ve had no problem filling the rooms with plenty of punchy low end that keeps the dancers on the dance floor. Needless to say, as a satisfied customer I'm very impressed with the JTR Growlers. If you have an opportunity to hear them, I urge you to go check them out. It'd be worth your time, money, and maybe your back! Can't tell you how many times we've seen smiles appear on the faces of drummers and bassists during sound check owing to the fat sound that the Growlers deliver! Jeff?s other cabinets are due out soon and I hope to check them out as well?.. a pair of his tops to start with and possibly expand from there. I want to second Mike Christy?s ?big thank you? to the folks who organized the NY shootout! It was through the shootout that I first became aware of the Growlers. The shootout was very well done and the information, discussions, and observations that followed have been invaluable to all of us who couldn?t attend. Note to folks on the west coast: if you are attending the upcoming National Guitar Workshop in L.A., the Growlers will be used by McClendon Audio Inc. for all the live performances. Best regards, Roy |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 09:44 |
Do you per chance have any pictures of this? Becuase I'd love to see how that looked with 12 of these things Also I'm personally VERY interested in getting a pair of these - hopefully by Christmas - to replace my ES608s, which while I love them I'd like something that can go lower. Plus I like the idea that Jeff is right here in the Chicago area! How would a pair of Growlers compare with a Peavey QW218? |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Fri, 29 June 2007 09:44 |
I'm personally VERY interested in getting a pair of these |
Rob Spence wrote on Thu, 12 July 2007 17:50 |
I sure wish I could be in Chicago for that... Jeff, post some pics after... Have a few pints for me too |
Ivan Beaver wrote on Sun, 02 September 2007 08:44 |
Kinda looks like when I used to do sound for deaf schools. The kids would crawl up into my W bins (Servodrive SDL5's) and LOVE it. |
Kent Clasen wrote on Wed, 05 September 2007 11:00 |
This isn't techno, but here is a Growler from a church install. It was recessed into this cement walled cavity. We used 2. |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Mon, 17 September 2007 02:33 | ||
What was the capacity of that church? Any other pics? |
Matt Jordan wrote on Tue, 18 September 2007 20:53 |
I started with just two Growlers. They all raised their eybrows and said "that's not bad for 6 12 inch speakers". Then I reached over and turned on the other four... |
David Haulman wrote on Wed, 19 September 2007 14:44 |
What happened when you activated the other 4 cabinets?? |
Cosmas Bain wrote on Wed, 31 October 2007 08:48 |
where can I demo the Growlers in The Ny/Nj area? Cosmas |
Chaz Myers wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 12:28 |
Ok, how do we get JTR to make a powered Growler? Maybe a built-in 1000W amp. I would buy two of them! |
Jeff Babcock wrote on Wed, 07 November 2007 14:52 |
I'll second that.... Jeff, a powered Growler should sell like hotcakes, totally ideal for the market you are serving. How 'bout it? |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Thu, 08 November 2007 09:25 |
Even is it made the sub 2" deeper, gained 15 lbs and added $500 to the price tag? |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Thu, 08 November 2007 08:25 |
Even is it made the sub 2" deeper, gained 15 lbs and added $500 to the price tag? |
Phil Lewandowski wrote on Tue, 04 December 2007 09:49 |
Has anyone used the QSC RMX5050 on it? Either at 1 per channel or 2 per channel? It seems like it could work decently! Thanks! Phil Lewandowski |
paris mcbride wrote on Wed, 16 April 2008 03:45 |
i have not played a gig with them yet so i cant review them but heres some pics. btw, will 2 yorkville nx-750s keep up with them? |
Peter Etheredge wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 16:55 | ||
Lose the Sonic Maximizer - it's snake oil and you're only hurting your sound with those Growlers and the Yorkies. -pete |
John Halliburton wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 10:51 |
Here's an on topic shot from the cell phone camera yesterday for a daytime gig in the (actually)630 seat theater I do a bunch of gigs at during the year. The shot is back at FOH, looking over the GL220 mixer to the stage about 75' away. A pair of Growlers holding up a pair of SPL Trik Traps, and four coax wedges spaced across the front. The balcony overhang is clearly visible. Best regards, John |
kevinjames wrote on Tue, 10 June 2008 13:29 |
Anyone know how the growlers compare to a 3015lf loaded Tuba 36 24" wide? I have 6 of the Tubas but am interested in how the Growlers compare as i am puting together a smaller secondary set up. Oh i should mention, this is for dance music dj use. Also are the growlers avalable with recessed handles on top and bottom and 4 casters on the back? |
Rain Jaudon wrote on Tue, 24 June 2008 00:21 |
How would a pair of Growlers do with a set of Community RS220 tops? (with the tops dropping off around 140/120hz, id think there would be a slight gap in there) Perhaps 4 RS220 tops? Alas, not sure I can afford a pair of Growlers and another amp.. but never hurts to dream.. or get 1 now, 1 later. |
Brian Harden wrote on Sat, 07 February 2009 19:43 |
I would be thinking of the QSC amp mentioned by the previous poster or the Digmoda stuff that's out now. Come to think of it, I wonder if the QSC gets their plate amps from KSC/Digmoda? |
J. Brown wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 03:33 |
I know this if off topic but I was able to meet Jeff in person at his Warehouse and he showed me the "supergrowler." It is a prototype so it isn't for sale yet, he is still working on it. |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 16:22 |
They have simular response as the growler, 103db 1 watt, 18mm 13ply baltic birch, 120 lbs, 36" x 24" x 26" and load with a 15" driver 600watts continous/1200watts program, 17mm xmax. I'm holding for building them because I want a more powerful driver. |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 17:22 |
They have simular response as the growler, 103db 1 watt, 18mm 13ply baltic birch, 120 lbs, 36" x 24" x 26" and load with a 15" driver 600watts continous/1200watts program, 17mm xmax. I'm holding for building them because I want a more powerful driver. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 23:02 | ||
Why is every so hung up on "wanting more power?" That seems to be the new trend "my box handles X watts, so it's better then yours!" I'd rather have a 500/1000w driver in a box that'll do 136dB peak vs. a 1000/2000w driver in a box that'll do the same. The less power, the better IMO. Evan |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 22:02 |
Why is every so hung up on "wanting more power?" That seems to be the new trend "my box handles X watts, so it's better then yours!" I'd rather have a 500/1000w driver in a box that'll do 136dB peak vs. a 1000/2000w driver in a box that'll do the same. The less power, the better IMO. |
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Why is every so hung up on "wanting more power?" That seems to be the new trend "my box handles X watts, so it's better then yours!" I'd rather have a 500/1000w driver in a box that'll do 136dB peak vs. a 1000/2000w driver in a box that'll do the same. The less power, the better IMO. |
Mark Hobbs wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 22:21 |
but there are many other variables, trade offs etc. involved there. |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 16:22 |
They have simular response as the growler, 103db 1 watt, 18mm 13ply baltic birch, 120 lbs, 36" x 22.5" x 25" and loaded with a 15" driver 600watts continous/1200watts program, 17mm xmax. I'm holding for building them because I want a more powerful driver. |
Rick Powell wrote on Fri, 13 February 2009 03:33 | ||
So what is the advantage or the difference if the efficiency and response curve is similar, but the cabinet is bigger and heavier? |
Rick Powell wrote on Thu, 12 February 2009 21:33 | ||
So what is the advantage or the difference if the efficiency and response curve is similar, but the cabinet is bigger and heavier? |
Rick Powell wrote on Thu, 12 February 2009 18:33 | ||
So what is the advantage or the difference if the efficiency and response curve is similar, but the cabinet is bigger and heavier? |
Rick Powell wrote on Thu, 12 February 2009 21:33 |
So what is the advantage or the difference if the efficiency and response curve is similar, but the cabinet is bigger and heavier? |
Phillip Graham wrote on Wed, 11 February 2009 22:14 |
Jeff is almost assuredly not speaking about the drivers' input power capacity. He is likely speaking of 1 of two things: 1. A driver with a higher BL product for the motor 2. A driver with more usable XMAX. |
Mark Hobbs wrote on Sun, 15 February 2009 16:11 | ||
Well, by wanting to increase the sensitivity by 3db and double the power handling of the standard growler with the 15 inch version it would appear that he is almost assuredly talking about input power capacity and that you were wrong. Either that or am I missing something. |
Mark Hobbs wrote on Sun, 15 February 2009 17:11 | ||
Well, by wanting to increase the sensitivity by 3db and double the power handling of the standard growler with the 15 inch version it would appear that he is almost assuredly talking about input power capacity and that you were wrong. Either that or am I missing something. |
Phillip Graham wrote on Mon, 16 February 2009 12:38 |
Mark, you are indeed missing something. The vast majority of modern drivers, in almost all speaker alignments, have more power handling capability than they do excursion capability. Practically, in most loading situations, the way you add power handling is by adding XMAX! A few very good horn-loaded systems, the best of the tapped horns, and some 6th order bandpass systems have enough driver loading to provide excursion control sufficient to render them voice coil heating limited, rather than XMAX limited. A short horn like the growler is almost assuredly going to need as much XMAX help as it can get. Increasing the sensitivity 3dB would require a driver whose parameters are more compatible with the horns' acoustic impedance, to improve the power transfer. Depending on the nature of the horn that is going to lead a specific BL product target, hence my note 1. Edit: I figured out the driver used in the Growler, and it only has a moderate BL product, so perhaps a higher BL product will not be needed. |
Russ Havrylik wrote on Wed, 11 March 2009 01:52 |
Hey Jeff, what about putting two 12's in the super growler? |