Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 04:43:16 pm
Post by: Joe Brugnoni on February 03, 2010, 04:48:44 pm
Post by: Patrick Campbell on February 03, 2010, 04:51:20 pm
Post by: Kristian Johnsen on February 03, 2010, 04:51:26 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 22:43 |
I'm looking for some affordable mics to use on snare/toms. I was going to just go with the typical sm57s. But thought about the e609, since they are only $10 more, and thought they could be easier placed in tight situations. Has anyone used these on any toms or snares? I know these are typically found on guitar cabs, but $100 is my budget on each mic. |
Kinda related: The Sennheiser e906 sounds good on snare under.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 04:58:27 pm
Post by: Spenser J. Hamilton on February 03, 2010, 05:05:33 pm
Post by: Jeff Wheeler on February 03, 2010, 05:09:19 pm
Post by: Ned Ward on February 03, 2010, 07:07:41 pm
The Audix kit is very good; when we play our corporate shows they use the Audix kit, although they prefer a B52 for kick. The D-Vice clamps are great.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 07:14:09 pm
doubt i'll get a kit, as i dont really need one
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on February 03, 2010, 07:19:15 pm
I use the Audix D series on my kick and toms. Couldn't be happier.
Evan
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 07:23:02 pm
What D series do you use on toms? Robust?
Post by: Lee Brenkman on February 03, 2010, 07:23:34 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 13:43 |
I'm looking for some affordable mics to use on snare/toms. I was going to just go with the typical sm57s. But thought about the e609, since they are only $10 more, and thought they could be easier placed in tight situations. Has anyone used these on any toms or snares? I know these are typically found on guitar cabs, but $100 is my budget on each mic. |
In the mists of the past the Santana band owned and used over a dozen Sennheiser 409s, the now highly prized "gold and black" ancestor of the 609. This was long enough ago that they were wired with the small Tuchel connectors and each one of them had a short adapter cord with an XLR end.
They used them on toms, congas and timbales and they worked very nicely. On larger toms they were a lot more fussy about positioning than an SM57 but they fit very nicely , especially on floor toms with a low riding cymbal.
Eventually the band stopped schlepping around their own PA and monitors and an outside sound provider became involved both locally and for tours.
Those very microphones are still floating around in mic boxes and studio closets in the SF Bay area.
BTW the Doobie Brothers used 409s as VOCAL microphones in the same era, as did Pink Floyd.
So go ahead, I've used 609s on floor toms a lot, with the 604s on the rack toms.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 07:29:56 pm
| Lee Brenkman wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 18:23 | ||
In the mists of the past the Santana band owned and used over a dozen Sennheiser 409s, the now highly prized "gold and black" ancestor of the 609. This was long enough ago that they were wired with the small Tuchel connectors and each one of them had a short adapter cord with an XLR end. They used them on toms, congas and timbales and they worked very nicely. On larger toms they were a lot more fussy about positioning than an SM57 but they fit very nicely , especially on floor toms with a low riding cymbal. Eventually the band stopped schlepping around their own PA and monitors and an outside sound provider became involved both locally and for tours. Those very microphones are still floating around in mic boxes and studio closets in the SF Bay area. BTW the Doobie Brothers used 409s as VOCAL microphones in the same era, as did Pink Floyd. So go ahead, I've used 609s on floor toms a lot, with the 604s on the rack toms. |
So what do you have to say about the durability of a 609? After some heavy stick hits?
Post by: Patrick Campbell on February 03, 2010, 07:35:27 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 18:14 |
which audix kit, there are several. doubt i'll get a kit, as i dont really need one |
Bennet Prescott (Thanks B)sold me a couple Audix D1's and a couple D2's - I already had a D6 for Kick so that is my setup. I usually use D1's on rack toms and D2's on floor toms. If the drummer only has one mounted I will use the leftover D1 on the snare with all flex clips to keep the drum area looking pretty clean.
Sad part is right after I bought those mics, my drummer in my band pulled out his Roland V _Drums module and now we trigger that with Ddrum triggers and we are very happy with that too. Works out well as do the D series Audux mics when I rent to other bands.
Most of the time I hear drums not sounding well it is bad tuning or not enough rig. I have seen good sized rigs with 57's and 58's on tom toms and they sounded incredible.......again as someone here on PSW states......What is the best Kick Drum Mic ?????? Answer = MORE RIG
L8R
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on February 03, 2010, 07:36:38 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 19:23 |
If the e609 isnt robust, it probably wont work well for me. I need something that is going to last, or else I'll just spend more money in the long run. The 900 series is out of my budget. What D series do you use on toms? Robust? |
D2 on Rack Tom
D6 on Floor Toms
They've been touring for 2 years now, doing 200+ shows a year. I've lost 1 D6 in that time, but a replacement was sent out very quickly.
Evan
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 07:42:24 pm
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on February 03, 2010, 07:42:39 pm
In the mean time, use 57s or what ever you have laying around.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 07:44:18 pm
| RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 18:42 |
While I don't think you need to be buying any gear right before your move, if you really want a great drum mic then just save up for a little bit longer and get the Beyer Dynamic Opus 88s. End of story! In the mean time, use 57s or what ever you have laying around. |
Well it kind of got brought up since other than currently having a e602, I borrow a friends drum mics. Once I move, I wont have access to them, so I have to get my own haha
Post by: Lee Brenkman on February 03, 2010, 08:50:49 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 16:29 |
So what do you have to say about the durability of a 609? After some heavy stick hits? |
I have two 609s, the "version one" all gray ones. I bought them for guitar amps but when I got the 906s I started using them for floor toms.
One drummer that I worked with regularly used an "autograph model" stick that his painted with white lacquer. He has left several "chalk marks" over the years on both these 609s and the 604s on the rack toms.
All of those microphones still work and sound up to spec.
It should be noted that this I use them on the drummers in funk/R&B and "adult" rock bands. If you play in the hardcore or metal fields or the band is "Trail of Dead" or "Mogwai" destructive then I'd use something either more durable or cheaper.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 09:02:51 pm
Post by: John Cameron on February 03, 2010, 09:22:14 pm
John
Post by: Phil Lewandowski on February 03, 2010, 09:34:41 pm
| RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 19:42 |
While I don't think you need to be buying any gear right before your move, if you really want a great drum mic then just save up for a little bit longer and get the Beyer Dynamic Opus 88s. End of story! In the mean time, use 57s or what ever you have laying around. |
+1 Love the Opus 88/87s on toms. And if you keep an eye out, they go on eBay for $90-125 shipped. I just picked up my second 88 for $110 for a total of 2 Opus 88's and 2 Opus 87's.
I have used the D2, D4 and e604's on toms. They all work well. The D-series captures a decent amount more attack than the e604's. The D4 does sound work well for floor toms. IMHO, the Opus 88's are just a slight step up from them both and have a more "natural" sound to them, plus they have the great handy clamp built in that works great.
If going for bang-to-buck, and if you don't need them right away keep your eye open for used Opus 88/87 or you couldn't go wrong with 2 D2's and a D4.
Take Care!
Phil
Post by: Jeff Wheeler on February 03, 2010, 09:49:56 pm
| Phil Lewandowski wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 20:34 |
you couldn't go wrong with 2 D2's and a D4. |
It never hurts to have a few extra general-purpose mics, too. I found out the hard way that if you only have 3 tom mics with you, the drummer will show up with a new kit that has 5 tom-toms.
Post by: John Cameron on February 03, 2010, 09:54:07 pm
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 21:49 | ||
It never hurts to have a few extra general-purpose mics, too. I found out the hard way that if you only have 3 tom mics with you, the drummer will show up with a new kit that has 5 tom-toms. |
This might sound crazy but I've used E906's on toms and floor before with great results. You just have to get creative with clamp hardware.
Post by: Phil Lewandowski on February 03, 2010, 10:19:50 pm
| John Cameron wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 21:54 | ||||
This might sound crazy but I've used E906's on toms and floor before with great results. You just have to get creative with clamp hardware. |
Actually just remembered I do use an e609 on floor at my standard Sunday gig because one of their e904's broke and it isn't to bad at all. I haven't had a chance to really compare them in depth though.
Phil
Post by: dustin Bradley on February 03, 2010, 10:51:10 pm
just my opinion/preference
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 03, 2010, 10:57:34 pm
Post by: Tim Weaver on February 04, 2010, 01:19:24 am
I am not too picky about tom mics. I'll be perfectly happy with 57's or whatever you have. You can make anything work if you know what you are doing. Like some previous poster said, many bands for years used extra sm58's on toms and it worked fine.
Truthfully, if budget is the biggest concern, the CAD drum mic kit (the bigger one, not the cheapest one) is actually pretty dang decent for the 100 bucks you'll pay on the used market. The kick mic is I'll dare say, actually pretty good. It also excels on floor toms. Although it would be hard to position on a kit with a low ride cymbal over the floor tom.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CAD-Six-Piece-Drum-Microphone-Set-6-PC-M ic-Kit-w-Case_W0QQitemZ230431978046QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item35a6d0f23e#ht_3120wt_1167
This is the kit I'm talking about. You'll find these on Craigslist for a C note all day.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 04, 2010, 11:38:30 am
The CADs are actually under budget. I dont want to spend alot, but I do want to get something a bit better than those
Post by: Dave Rickard on February 04, 2010, 12:18:35 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Thu, 04 February 2010 09:38 |
Well I mean like I have said before, I am not against e609's on toms, IF they will be durable enough to take stick whacks. No one has convinced me of this yet... |
What sort of proof are you looking for?
You can help the rest of us by whacking yours with a stick, and posting back about the result.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 04, 2010, 12:29:28 pm
| Dave Rickard wrote on Thu, 04 February 2010 11:18 | ||
What sort of proof are you looking for? You can help the rest of us by whacking yours with a stick, and posting back about the result. |
Someone who has used these solely for this job and can say " I use these all the time and after many blows from sticks, no problems whatsoever"
Or else I will just go with some D2s or Opus 88s. I'd rather not be the test dummy.
Post by: dustin Bradley on February 04, 2010, 12:35:34 pm
Post by: Bruce Gering on February 04, 2010, 12:49:44 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 15:43 |
I'm looking for some affordable mics to use on snare/toms. I was going to just go with the typical sm57s. But thought about the e609, since they are only $10 more, and thought they could be easier placed in tight situations. Has anyone used these on any toms or snares? I know these are typically found on guitar cabs, but $100 is my budget on each mic. |
Stay away from using the 57's, unless you want to be replacing 1 every other gig. These are the poorest mics I know of for taking a stick hit. One good one and they're gone.
Post by: Rick Stansby on February 04, 2010, 01:04:06 pm
| Bruce Gering wrote on Thu, 04 February 2010 09:49 | ||
Stay away from using the 57's, unless you want to be replacing 1 every other gig. These are the poorest mics I know of for taking a stick hit. One good one and they're gone. |
FWIW The
Post by: Tim Weaver on February 04, 2010, 01:33:24 pm
I've used 57's or 408's on toms for most of my career and have never lost one to a drummer.
So how about get what mics are right for you, and position them on drums where they won't get hit. You can see the strike pattern on the head of the drum. If the guy has good stick control hang the mic over the head a little farther, if not, then keep the mic way back off the rim. Your toms may not sound the best that night, but you won't lose a mic to a poor drummer either. And if the drummer has poor stick control, his drums probably won't sound great anyway.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 04, 2010, 01:49:17 pm
Post by: Walter Wright on February 04, 2010, 10:21:26 pm
| Lee Brenkman wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 20:50 |
I have two 609s, the "version one" all gray ones. I bought them for guitar amps but when I got the 906s I started using them for floor toms. |
aren't the "pre-silver" 609s getting sorta collectible? i damn sure couldn't find one, but found plenty of folks looking for them. (i ended up with a 906 for my guitar, which i like.)
Post by: Tim Padrick on February 04, 2010, 11:49:00 pm
604 is fine on snare and rack toms, might be wimpy on floor (used it only once - might have been the drum - didn't have anything else to try).
D2 is fine on snare and rack toms, wimpy on floor tom.
ADX20 as above.
D4 is fine on anything.
D6 is good on kick, no advantage over the D4 on anything else.
Post by: Jack Gunn on February 05, 2010, 01:25:58 am
When I bought my e906 used, I thought I had received the non-functional display model. This may not translate well in to being able to take abuse from a drumstick.
The D2, on the other hand, is much more solid, heavy, beefy. It also sounds identical to an MD421-II on toms at a much smaller price and size. The MD421 has been well respected as a go-to mic on toms in the past so I use it as my reference.
I've done a lot of A-B testing and the D2 is the closest thing I've found for that full bodied sound the MD421 normally gives.
Post by: Evan Kirkendall on February 05, 2010, 10:56:40 am
| Tim Padrick wrote on Thu, 04 February 2010 23:49 |
D6 is good on kick, no advantage over the D4 on anything else. |
Except for when you put a D6 on an 18" floor tom. Then the D4 stands no chance. It's quite an impressive tone.
Evan
Post by: Justin Bartlett on February 05, 2010, 01:29:35 pm
The Audix mics sound great, but in my experience the Audix mic clips break too much and I find the D-Vice clamps to be a pain; I much prefer the Sennheiser clamps and clips, and that's made the difference in my decisions.
I love the e906 on guitar cabs, but it and the e609 seem like they might be a bit large for toms; YMMV.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 05, 2010, 02:11:46 pm
Post by: Lee Brenkman on February 05, 2010, 03:38:31 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 11:11 |
Alright once again, my decision has been altered. I will be using my current e602 on floor toms, and sm57 on snare. I am going to pick up 2 D2's for rack toms, and either a B52 or D112 for kick, not sure yet. And eventually, an AT Pro 37 for high hats. Compiled together this should give me a pretty decent sound without breaking my budget. |
I agree with most of your choices EXCEPT your kick drum choices.
I'm in the camp that HATES the B52 in most cases and on most drums. The D112 is better on a wider variety of drums but neither of them would be my first choice.
Of course "best mic for a kick drum?" is such a frequent question in here that it's become a running joke.
Use the search function and see what we've discussed endlessly in the past.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 05, 2010, 03:48:05 pm
| Lee Brenkman wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 14:38 | ||
I agree with most of your choices EXCEPT your kick drum choices. I'm in the camp that HATES the B52 in most cases and on most drums. The D112 is better on a wider variety of drums but neither of them would be my first choice. Of course "best mic for a kick drum?" is such a frequent question in here that it's become a running joke. Use the search function and see what we've discussed endlessly in the past. |
I've never asked what kick drum mic I should get. I've used several. I prefer the D112 for rock. Thump, click, got it. And, I've read a ton of threads here and other places. It comes down to preference. A million people like the B52, a million people like the D112, a million people like the D6, etc, etc,etc. I'm pretty set on the D112, but if you want to post your "first choice" feel free, but I'm not going to search for it.
Post by: Lee Brenkman on February 05, 2010, 03:55:52 pm
That's a good thing.
I guess I've gotten too accustomed to people asking questions in here who have done neither.
Post by: Jeff Wheeler on February 05, 2010, 06:04:58 pm
| benjamin fisher wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 14:48 |
A million people like the B52, a million people like the D112, a million people like the D6, etc, etc,etc. I'm pretty set on the D112, but if you want to post your "first choice" feel free, but I'm not going to search for it. |
I keep waiting for the "what's the best kick drum mic stand" thread. I have no special love for the ones I own.
Post by: (BJ) Benjamin Fisher on February 05, 2010, 06:09:02 pm
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 17:04 | ||
I keep waiting for the "what's the best kick drum mic stand" thread. I have no special love for the ones I own. |
I have one of these. It works fine.http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/ProLine-MS112 -Low-Profile-Boom-Microphone-Stand?sku=454312
Post by: RYAN LOUDMUSIC JENKINS on February 05, 2010, 06:10:11 pm
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 16:04 | ||
I keep waiting for the "what's the best kick drum mic stand" thread. I have no special love for the ones I own. |
We had that discussion a few years back. If you search real hard, you'll find the picture of the one that Andy Peters posted and it was the best. I don't think there will be any shootouts about them anytime soon though.
Post by: Dave Rickard on February 06, 2010, 01:45:39 am
| Jeff Wheeler wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 16:04 |
I keep waiting for the "what's the best kick drum mic stand" thread. I have no special love for the ones I own. |
http://www.apexelectronics.com/products.asp?type=18&cat= 28&id=1074
Post by: Tim Padrick on February 06, 2010, 12:08:36 pm
| Justin Bartlett wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 12:29 |
The Audix mics sound great, but in my experience the Audix mic clips break too much and I find the D-Vice clamps to be a pain; I much prefer the Sennheiser clamps and clips, and that's made the difference in my decisions. |
You must still have the old hard plastic clips. The new (at least 5 years old?) clips have been 100% for me.
I agree that the Senny clips are pretty slick. The trouble I have with the Audix is that some have a big-ass burr inside, and lock up - I have to prise on them to open them up.