Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 October 2007 13:38 |
Also, the Growlers on Road Test are not for sale and will continue on the Road Test from start to finish. |
Tim McCulloch wrote on Fri, 12 October 2007 17:01 |
Evan would have to work much harder, with bigger amps than the Powersoft K10 we had in NYC... I don't think he can pull that off yet. Tim Mc |
Tim McCulloch wrote on Sun, 14 October 2007 13:53 |
Have fun, good luck, and don't blow stuff up. Tim Mc |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 14 October 2007 12:17 |
But, I'd be glad to test drive your subs. Evan |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 12:51 | ||
Looks like you'll be first up. Dave Dermont is giving up his dibs however you have to give the growlers to him next. |
Jeff Babcock wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 12:58 |
How many Growlers are going out on this Road test? I look forward to seeing Evan's feedback given his ongoing subwoofer quest! |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 12 October 2007 10:23 |
Tentative Schedule: East Coast 1)Evan Kirkendall 2)Dave Dermont 3)Brian Bolly |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Wed, 31 October 2007 18:07 |
The road test to will 2008 model Growlers..... |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Thu, 06 December 2007 15:58 |
Next up was some rock. I wanted to see what they can do, so I pulled out my Mest and played the intro to Cadillac. For you guys who have heard the song before, you know what this intro is like. PL6.0 was solid -10 and it was pretty sweet. The low end was quite impressive, as everything in my garage began to rattle off the shelves. Evan |
Adam Whetham wrote on Thu, 06 December 2007 21:23 |
I only wish i could use that song more often to kick some bass out... great album also That sub synth on that track is stupid nuts. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 09 December 2007 20:26 |
I was into the limiters all night trying to get them to keep up with the SLS920s, who were barely hitting -20. I was around 103-106dBA @ FOH. Again, I was hammering the PL6.0 trying to keep up. I was a little quieter, only around 100dBA. The subs do sound good, but I need 4 to keep up with 2 SLS920's. Evan |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Sun, 09 December 2007 20:26 |
My problem tonight was the subs walking around. They would not stay in place. I had to ratchet strap them together and strap them to the amp rack. They need rubber feet so they wont slide around as much. |
Phil Lewandowski wrote on Mon, 10 December 2007 09:11 |
Hey Evan! Just curious... where do you cross-over the 920s at to the Growlers since the 920s drop of higher? Thanks! Phil! |
Robert Lunceford wrote on Tue, 11 December 2007 11:20 |
What are the physical dimensions and weight of the Growlers? |
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My thoughts: 1 As a system both the tops and subs need to be "dialed in". You can simply crank the tops and expect the subs to keep up. 2 If the tops are very efficient compared to the subs, they most probably dont need as much gain as the subs. In other words you cant simply swap in another set of subs while leaving your tops gain the same and expect it to sound right. |
Steve Hurt wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 07:33 |
Evan, Are you passing on the Growlers because (in your opinion): a) one Growler won't out-thump one 2 x 18? or b) two Growlers won't out-thump one 2 x 18? (my opinion is: if it's "a", I agree, if it's "b", you definitely did something wrong) |
Rob Spence wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 11:33 |
For what you do, I would think a 4 block per side would be sweet. Nice and modular too so for smaller gigs you can bring fewer. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 11:36 |
The gigs I used them at were my "Smaller" gigs(>100 people), and they didnt cut it. I'd need 4 min for small shows, and probably 6 or 8 for larger gigs. Evan |
Steve Hurt wrote on Fri, 14 December 2007 13:09 | ||
I'm not a "95 db is too loud" kind of guy, but I have to say: A PL6.0 II cliping into 2 growlers center coupled at a 100 person show not being loud enough to keep up with the tops = you will be deaf soon. At least you'll be able to "ring" in the New Year(s) w/tinitus! |
Richard Rajchel wrote on Sat, 15 December 2007 15:19 |
2 Growlers: 27600 Cubic Inches ~$1800 retail 200 lbs 2000 watts rated 4 Ohms 1 double 18(I picked JBL SRX728s here) 33300 Cubic Inches ~$1400 retail 166 lbs 3200 watts rated 4 Ohms There should be no doubt that the 2 Growlers should beat the output of the JBLs. |
Richard Rajchel wrote on Sun, 16 December 2007 05:01 |
The key though is that when you use 2 horn loaded cabs together they get a 6dB boost. So instead of 100 dB sensitivity they actually now have 106 dB as a pair. |
Richard Rajchel wrote on Sun, 16 December 2007 04:01 |
I didn't based on the specs listed. |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Thu, 20 December 2007 23:17 |
So, who wound up with the growlers after the shootout? |
Brad Gibson wrote on Mon, 07 January 2008 22:29 |
If they come thru south Georgia I would love to tell you what I think of them. I will even do a small shoot out with my 728's. |
Vic Cowles wrote on Tue, 19 February 2008 23:04 |
I did a comparison. 2 Growlers , 1 728. Do a search. The Growlers won. Didn't have any graphs. By the way, still haven't blown a Growler. Blew the HELL out of the JBHELLS |
E. Lee Dickinson wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 21:01 |
An update for those of you playing along: When I received the Growlers, two corners were split pretty violently, indicating some transportation trauma. We couldn't get much performance out of the pair, and the cracked speaker gave up the smoke right as we pushed them past 100db at 15'. I feel bad about cooking it, but I do think it was damaged on its way here. Jeff seems to agree with me as he is sending out a new driver, which I will slap in before taking these guys on a gig. |
E. Lee Dickinson wrote on Thu, 15 May 2008 21:01 |
An update for those of you playing along: When I received the Growlers, two corners were split pretty violently, indicating some transportation trauma. We couldn't get much performance out of the pair, and the cracked speaker gave up the smoke right as we pushed them past 100db at 15'. I feel bad about cooking it, but I do think it was damaged on its way here. Jeff seems to agree with me as he is sending out a new driver, which I will slap in before taking these guys on a gig. |
Evan Kirkendall wrote on Fri, 16 May 2008 13:50 |
Oh, and I dont think these growlers should be shipped around anymore... I just see the cabinets getting destroyed. I think they should be hand delivered from person to person. Just my .02. |
E. Lee Dickinson wrote on Thu, 05 June 2008 15:17 |
FYI, they arrived to me surrounded by 1" insulation foam, then into cardboard boxes. |
Phil LaDue wrote on Thu, 05 June 2008 18:04 | ||
For instance, if you buy a new piece of assembled furniture you will likely find layered fiberglass and cardboard "corners" attached to the piece. The reasoning of course is that the "corner" will transfer the force of an impact evenly over the object. |
Sean Bugg wrote on Fri, 05 September 2008 15:15 |
If the road test is over, cool. |
Steve Hurt wrote on Fri, 05 September 2008 15:29 |
I'm doing a show tonight from 9-12 at Champps 82nd & Keystone On Indianapolis north side |
Jeff Permanian wrote on Fri, 05 September 2008 18:13 |
The road test is people evaluating products and then writing a review for others to read. It just seems that everyone wants to hear the Growlers but no one wants to write the review. |
Scott Smith wrote on Mon, 07 September 2009 10:10 |
If the Growlers ever make it to south Florida, I'd love to do a test drive... and would MOST certainly do a write-up immediately afterwards. I do about 3-4 various outdoor gigs a week, and a downsize performer would definately be of interest to me. |
Bennett Prescott wrote on Sun, 16 December 2007 16:57 | ||
When you use ANY two cabinets together, within 1/4 wavelength of each other, and you also apply the same power to both of them, you get a 6dB increase in SPL. 3dB is from cabinet coupling, 3dB is from doubling the power (if you had an 8 ohm sub connected to an amplifier capable of delivering 1000 watts at 8 ohms, and you connect another identical sub to the same amp channel, the amplifier now provides 2000 watts into what is now a 4 ohm load to be "shared" by both subwoofers, so each still gets 1000 watts). |
Jonathan Goodall wrote on Thu, 22 October 2009 21:04 |
You don't export do you? I could try a pair out for you "down under" and see if they still work upside down |
Adam Whetham wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 09:33 |
Jeff... where did your website go? I'm getting a register.com splash page when i go there... |