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I was kind of shocked today when I opened my Christmas catalog from Full Compass to see that within it was the ad for a BBE MP24M digital mixer. Everyone is getting into digital mixers these days. It seems to be retailing at about $2,000 and seems to have the basic accouterments that a digital desk has over an analog one. The added plus is that the price includes the case. Not that I am interested in one or really care, but I thought it was interesting that the company that is basically taboo and factored more as a gimmick is now placing themselves into the market and packaging their top products into one item.
http://www.bbesound.com/products/digital-mixers/mp24m-digital-mixer.aspx
What are your thoughts about the product that the newest company to enter into the world of digital mixing is offering? Anyone actually seen or heard one yet?
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No mention of motorized faders.
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Looks like a plagiarized Presonus a la Behringer...but with a built in Sonic Crapitizer!!!
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Looks like a plagiarized Presonus a la Behringer...but with a built in Sonic Crapitizer!!!
To complement the sound of your Seismic Audio "line array"? Mark C.
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To add the bottom of the barrel, PHONIC has a 16ch digi-logue board for $1200
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1024895-REG/phonic_is16_16_input_8_bus_digital_mixing.html
Honestly, I lol'd at how they got away with copying almost all of the layout of the SL.
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To add the bottom of the barrel, PHONIC has a 16ch digi-logue board for $1200
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1024895-REG/phonic_is16_16_input_8_bus_digital_mixing.html
Honestly, I lol'd at how they got away with copying almost all of the layout of the SL.
Its more like a Yamaha 01v96. Motorized faders, jog wheel , etc.
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/417471.html?gclid=CKKstZXXqcICFY_m7AodYCIAcg
Douglas R. Allen
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To complement the sound of your Seismic Audio "line array"? Mark C.
I don't know, Mark... people dissed the X32 when it came out based on the brand and reputation. Look at its acceptance in the non-MI market now. Roland M400 also got a bad rap, but it's actually a good sounding and very stable board.
There have been so-so digital mixers from name brands: Tascam TDM1000 and Yamaha ProMix01, to name a couple. Granted those were first gen products, but point is 2nd tier brands can have well-designed products just as name brands can have also-ran products.
Hopefully folks on this board will get hands-on time with the new BBE board soon, then we'll know if it's a serious piece of pro gear or MI level.
JR
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To add the bottom of the barrel, PHONIC has a 16ch digi-logue board for $1200
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1024895-REG/phonic_is16_16_input_8_bus_digital_mixing.html
Honestly, I lol'd at how they got away with copying almost all of the layout of the SL.
External, 19 Volt power adapter. Yeah, that's not weird....
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The fact that it has a "built in Sonic Maximizer" is enough to make me not even interested in trying it. On the regular sonic maximizer, the bypass switch is designed in a way to make the sound quality horrid to make it seem like the maximizer is doing more. I'd guess they are going to play the same tricks inside this board. No thanks.
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External, 19 Volt power adapter. Yeah, that's not weird....
Actually, that's not that big of a deal. Sure as heck beats the proprietary connector that QSC used on their little mixer.
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I was kind of shocked today when I opened my Christmas catalog from Full Compass to see that within it was the ad for a BBE MP24M digital mixer. Everyone is getting into digital mixers these days. It seems to be retailing at about $2,000 and seems to have the basic accouterments that a digital desk has over an analog one. The added plus is that the price includes the case. Not that I am interested in one or really care, but I thought it was interesting that the company that is basically taboo and factored more as a gimmick is now placing themselves into the market and packaging their top products into one item.
http://www.bbesound.com/products/digital-mixers/mp24m-digital-mixer.aspx
What are your thoughts about the product that the newest company to enter into the world of digital mixing is offering? Anyone actually seen or heard one yet?
Remember Barnum's famous quote. No motorized faders and $200 less than an Expression 1. I don't need any door stops or anchors, and certainly wouldn't spend $2K for one even if it does have a sonic crapinizer. Keep in mind though there are plenty of people using the crapinizer who will no doubt want a fully digital crapinizer wo/ motorized faders. Catering to the uneducated is a prosperous undertaking for many companies selling low cost junk, and this is just another one of those companies IMO. Put them and Phonic in the same room and even the Phonic wins with it's motorized faders and recall for $900 less.
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One can get an X32-Producer for $1200. I think it will do.
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Actually, that's not that big of a deal. Sure as heck beats the proprietary connector that QSC used on their little mixer.
Isn't the connector on the DL series just as unique? I've never seen one before I got the 1608, which Phonic had already ripped off:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/phonic-acapela16-digital-mixer
FWIW I have friend who bought powered Phonic 15" speakers (thump copies) back in the early 2000s or late 90s and he's still using them. They really sound good for the price they were, much better than the Mackie's they copied IMHO. He actually owned Mackie's at the same time and we did side by sides on them. No contest, Phonics won. Not that that has anything to do with this thread other than Thomas mentioned the Phonic mixer.
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Its more like a Yamaha 01v96. Motorized faders, jog wheel , etc.
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/417471.html?gclid=CKKstZXXqcICFY_m7AodYCIAcg
Douglas R. Allen
Actually, the Phonic is VERY similar to the Yamaha 03D.
I have tried it. It does what it does OK I guess. The one thing that really annoyed me was a lag when changing screens/windows.
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External, 19 Volt power adapter. Yeah, that's not weird....
Actually more common than you think. Most laptop supplies are 19V.
May be a clue to the nature of it's internal electronics -chinese OEM generic laptop guts?
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Actually more common than you think. Most laptop supplies are 19V.
May be a clue to the nature of it's internal electronics -chinese OEM generic laptop guts?
Interesting thought. You may be right...
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Now throw in the tech support and software support and updates for the device and you will see your money not in the bank.
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Enjoy
http://youtu.be/eXAyIMu3azM
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I thought it was interesting that the company that is basically taboo and factored more as a gimmick is now placing themselves into the market and packaging their top products into one item.
Why are they "basically taboo and factored more as a gimmick?"
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Why are they "basically taboo and factored more as a gimmick?"
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Mac
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Enjoy
http://youtu.be/eXAyIMu3azM
So is he full of shit?
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Hopefully folks on this board will get hands-on time with the new BBE board soon, then we'll know if it's a serious piece of pro gear or MI level.
MI?
One can get an X32-Producer for $1200. I think it will do.
Really? Where from? Seems too cheap.
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MI?
Really? Where from? Seems too cheap.
This thread is from 2014?! Are you aware of that?
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This thread is from 2014?! Are you aware of that?
The BBE mixer is still for sale and therefore
the year the thread is from is irrelevant. Are you aware of that?
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Why are they "basically taboo and factored more as a gimmick?"
BBE is the maker of the "Sonic Maximizer" - one of the most infamous pieces of audio snake oil. Their intentional deception via their "bypass" mechanism pretty much ruins their reputation in professional circles.
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The BBE mixer is still for sale and therefore
the year the thread is from is irrelevant. Are you aware of that?
Being snarky 4 posts in to a new community is not a great way to make friends (welcome, by the way).
It's not necessarily a problem resurrecting an old thread, but sometimes it's better to start a new thread with your specific comment or question which keeps the thread more on track.
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Being snarky 4 posts in to a new community is not a great way to make friends
To be fair, it was a snarky response to a snarky comment. I'd agree with you if I started the 'snarkiness.'
(welcome, by the way).
Thank you sir.
It's not necessarily a problem resurrecting an old thread, but sometimes it's better to start a new thread with your specific comment or question which keeps the thread more on track.
Even if I was quoting people's posts?
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To be fair, it was a snarky response to a snarky comment. I'd agree with you if I started the 'snarkiness.'
You were asking where you could get an x32 for a price based on a 2014 post that you quoted almost two years later? I don't consider that still relevant.
It is not the first or last time a new user missed the date of a thread. If you consider me for being snarky for pointing this out then good luck to you... Yes, now I was being snarky!
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The BBE mixer is still for sale and therefore
the year the thread is from is irrelevant. Are you aware of that?
So the mixer is a piece of shit and it's only claim to fame is the debunked Sonic Maximizer.
Also this discussion should have been moved to the Lounge forum when it first posted.
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