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Title: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Henry Cohen on June 29, 2017, 08:12:37 PM
With this topic, we'll attempt to post 600MHz market activations by T-Mobile as soon as the information becomes available.

T-Mobile has announced a very aggressive schedule for 600MHz deployments (http://radioactiverf.com/news/t-mobile-announces-plans-to-launch-in-600-mhz-band-in-2017/), including in many markets before the end of 2017, which of course means testing prior to offering service to customers.

Most of the first markets T-Mobile will fire up will be rural and suburban, with major markets beginning early 2018. At this time, we have no news regarding any of the other carriers, but we hope to in the future.

As a reminder, the new 600MHz bandplan above channel 37 is:
Title: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Henry Cohen on June 29, 2017, 08:27:01 PM
Commencement of operations in Cheyenne WY and south of Portland ME beginning July 31, 2017
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Bob Charest on June 30, 2017, 10:07:32 AM
Commencement of operations in Cheyenne WY and south of Portland ME beginning July 31, 2017
Hi Henry,

Thanks for posting this. As someone who lives right near Portland, ME I'm going to have to take action in the short term, it appears. All that is left to work with is between 642 and 668... pretty cramped!

Best regards,
Bob Charest
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Jason Glass on June 30, 2017, 01:04:55 PM
Commencement of operations in Cheyenne WY and south of Portland ME beginning July 31, 2017

Henry,

Thanks a million for sharing this info.  It's deeply appreciated!
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Pete Erskine on June 30, 2017, 02:35:31 PM
With this topic, we'll attempt to post 600MHz market activations by T-Mobile as soon as the information becomes available.

This page is an over view of the entire sale and includes an animated plan for T-Mobile's rollout.  Not exact but Henry's notices will be more real...


The Broadcast Incentive Auction results (http://www.spectrumgateway.com/600-mhz-spectrum)
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 08, 2017, 12:19:21 PM
Hi Henry,

Thanks for posting this. As someone who lives right near Portland, ME I'm going to have to take action in the short term, it appears. All that is left to work with is between 642 and 668... pretty cramped!

Best regards,
Bob Charest

I think you need to be looking lower, below TV Ch 37.  There was some discussion about using guard bands but I don't recall the legality of using vacant blocks in the 600mHz band.
Title: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Bob Charest on July 08, 2017, 03:10:26 PM
Thanks Tim - I'll check. This is just a stopgap measure for me as things are coming at us quickly.

I know we have to vacate. 600MHz by end of 2018...


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Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Henry Cohen on July 09, 2017, 08:48:14 PM
I think you need to be looking lower, below TV Ch 37.  There was some discussion about using guard bands but I don't recall the legality of using vacant blocks in the 600mHz band.

It will not be legal (sans an STA) to use vacant blocks after the transition period concludes in July 2020, just as it's not legal to use fallow 700MHz channels.

Nor will it be legal to use the two 1MHz guard bands (616-617 MHz and 652-653 MHz).

The 600 MHz spectum above 614 that will be available to wireless mics are*:
614-616   Unlicensed wireless mic operations only.
653-657   Part 74 licensed operation only (part of the duplex gap).
657-663   Shared unlicensed mics and TVBD/WSD (part of the duplex gap).

*20mw ERP maximum.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on July 28, 2017, 04:55:39 PM
It will not be legal (sans an STA) to use vacant blocks after the transition period concludes in July 2020, just as it's not legal to use fallow 700MHz channels.

Nor will it be legal to use the two 1MHz guard bands (616-617 MHz and 652-653 MHz).

The 600 MHz spectum above 614 that will be available to wireless mics are*:
614-616   Unlicensed wireless mic operations only.
653-657   Part 74 licensed operation only (part of the duplex gap).
657-663   Shared unlicensed mics and TVBD/WSD (part of the duplex gap).

*20mw ERP maximum.
Henry, do you have an FCC source for this information?  The "layman's page" on the FCC website seems to indicate the guard bands and duplex gap will be available for wireless microphone use indefinitely. 

https://www.fcc.gov/general/wireless-microphones-0

"Spectrum will continue to be available for wireless microphone use on the other TV channels 2-36 (TV band frequencies that fall below 608 MHz), on portions of the 600 MHz guard band (the 614-616 MHz frequencies) and the 600 MHz duplex gap (the 653-663 MHz frequencies), and in various other spectrum bands outside of the TV bands."
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Henry Cohen on July 28, 2017, 05:26:57 PM
Henry, do you have an FCC source for this information?  The "layman's page" on the FCC website seems to indicate the guard bands and duplex gap will be available for wireless microphone use indefinitely. 

https://www.fcc.gov/general/wireless-microphones-0

"Spectrum will continue to be available for wireless microphone use on the other TV channels 2-36 (TV band frequencies that fall below 608 MHz), on portions of the 600 MHz guard band (the 614-616 MHz frequencies) and the 600 MHz duplex gap (the 653-663 MHz frequencies), and in various other spectrum bands outside of the TV bands."

My "source" is multiple FCC NPRMs, the FCC post auction data and T-Mobile for the various bits of information I'm able to disseminate and provide in a more coherent manner. I'm not quite sure what you're asking; the FCC statement you quote matches what I posted earlier. (Just note though that wireless mics will not permitted in the two 1MHz guard bands at 616-617 and 652-653.)
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on July 28, 2017, 10:18:34 PM
My "source" is multiple FCC NPRMs, the FCC post auction data and T-Mobile for the various bits of information I'm able to disseminate and provide in a more coherent manner. I'm not quite sure what you're asking; the FCC statement you quote matches what I posted earlier. (Just note though that wireless mics will not permitted in the two 1MHz guard bands at 616-617 and 652-653.)
The quote I copied says "Spectrum will continue to be available...". I am not a lawyer, but I take that to mean those spectrum sections will continue to be available indefinitely as an end date was not mentioned.

I'm not doubting you, but as this seems to be the FCC's user-facing page for microphone users, I'm trying to understand if this is a page oversight, or if there is another FCC document that covers this that is parseable by normal people that I can forward to my clients that speaks more clearly to what you are saying.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Henry Cohen on July 28, 2017, 10:27:24 PM
The quote I copied says "Spectrum will continue to be available...". I am not a lawyer, but I take that to mean those spectrum sections will continue to be available indefinitely as an end date was not mentioned.

I'm not doubting you, but as this seems to be the FCC's user-facing page for microphone users, I'm trying to understand if this is a page oversight, or if there is another FCC document that covers this that is parseable by normal people that I can forward to my clients that speaks more clearly to what you are saying.

The FCC statement is correct: "Spectrum will continue to be available for wireless microphone use on the other TV channels 2-36 (TV band frequencies that fall below 608 MHz), on portions of the 600 MHz guard band (the 614-616 MHz frequencies) and the 600 MHz duplex gap (the 653-663 MHz frequencies), and in various other spectrum bands outside of the TV bands."  These are the >614MHz frequency ranges that will be available after July 2020 when the transition period ends.
Title: T-Mobile Nov 2017 Starts
Post by: Henry Cohen on August 17, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
T-Mobile testing beginning Nov 1, 2017:

August 16, 2017

Re: Notification of T-Mobile Deployment in the 600MHz Band

T-Mobile USA Inc. is planning to deploy commercial wireless services in some or all of our
owned Spectrum blocks in the attached list of counties. This is expected to begin in November
of 2017. We plan to add to this list continuously. For each county on the attached list, we ask
that all use of spectrum in the indicated channel blocks ceases prior to November 1, 2017.
For your information, the following chart illustrates how the new wireless Band 71 overlays on
the existing UHF channels 38-51. We wish to minimize interference with the wireless base
stations and handsets that will operate in the new band and we want to avoid disruptions to any
operations currently in use
.

State   County        T-Mobile Owned blocks
AL      Choctaw        BCDE
AL      Clarke        BCDE
AL      Clarke        BCDE
AL      Monroe        BCDE
AL      Pickens        BCDE
AL      Sumter        BCDE
AL      Sumter        BCDE
AR      Phillips        BCDE
AR      Phillips        BCDE
AZ      Coconino        BCDE
AZ      Coconino        BCDE
AZ      Coconino        BCDE
AZ      Navajo        BCD
AZ      Pima        BCDE
AZ      Yavapai        BCDE
CA      Del Norte        BCD
CA      Modoc        BCD
CA      Modoc        BCD
CA      Shasta        BCD
CA      Shasta        BCD
CA      Siskiyou        BCD
CA      Siskiyou        BCD
CA      Tehama        BCD
IA      Pottawattamie        BCDE
ID      Bear Lake        BCDE
ID      Caribou        BCDE
ID      Fremont        BCDE
ID      Lemhi        ABCDE
ID      Teton        BCDE
IL      Adams        BCD
IL      Adams        BCD
IL      Bond        CDE
IL      Brown        BCD
IL      Clay        BCDE
IL      Clinton        CDE
IL      Effingham        BCDE
IL      Fayette        BCDE
IL      Fulton        BCD
IL      Jefferson        BCDE
IL      Jefferson        BCDE
IL      Jersey        BCDE
IL      Madison        BCDE
IL      Marion        CDE
IL      Marion        CDE
IL      Montgomery        BCD
IL      Morgan        BCD
IL      Pike        BCD
IL      Pike        BCD
IL      Sangamon        BCD
IL      Schuyler        BCD
IL      Washington        BCDE
KS      Allen        BCDE
KS      Barber        BCDE
KS      Barton        BCDE
KS      Butler        BCDE
KS      Chase        BCDE
KS      Chase        BCDE
KS      Chautauqua        BCDE
KS      Cherokee        BCDE
KS      Clark        BCD
KS      Clark        BCD
KS      Clark        BCD
KS      Clay        BCDE
KS      Clay        BCDE
KS      Cloud        BCD
KS      Coffey        BCDE
KS      Coffey        BCDE
KS      Comanche        BCDE
KS      Cowley        BCDE
KS      Crawford        BCDE
KS      Decatur        BCD
KS      Dickinson        BCDE
KS      Dickinson        BCDE
KS      Edwards        BCDE
KS      Elk        BCDE
KS      Ellis        BCDE
KS      Ellsworth        BCDE
KS      Finney        BCD
KS      Finney        BCD
KS      Ford        BCD
KS      Geary        BCDE
KS      Graham        BCD
KS      Grant        BCD
KS      Gray        BCD
KS      Gray        BCD
KS      Greeley        BCD
KS      Greeley        BCD
KS      Greenwood        BCDE
KS      Hamilton        BCD
KS      Hamilton        BCD
KS      Hamilton        BCD
KS      Harper        BCDE
KS      Harvey        BCDE
KS      Haskell        BCD
KS      Hodgeman        BCD
KS      Jewell        BCD
KS      Kearny        BCD
KS      Kingman        BCDE
KS      Kiowa        BCDE
KS      Labette        BCDE
KS      Lane        BCD
KS      Lane        BCD
KS      Lincoln        BCD
KS      Lyon        BCDE
KS      Lyon        BCDE
KS      Marion        BCDE
KS      Marshall        BCDE
KS      McPherson        BCDE
KS      Meade        BCD
KS      Meade        BCD
KS      Mitchell        BCD
KS      Montgomery        BCDE
KS      Morris        BCDE
KS      Morton        BCD
KS      Morton        BCD
KS      Nemaha        BCDE
KS      Neosho        BCDE
KS      Ness        BCDE
KS      Norton        BCD
KS      Osborne        BCD
KS      Phillips        BCD
KS      Pottawatomie        BCDE
KS      Pottawatomie        BCDE
KS      Pratt        BCDE
KS      Rawlins        BCD
KS      Reno        BCDE
KS      Republic        BCD
KS      Rice        BCDE
KS      Riley        BCDE
KS      Riley        BCDE
KS      Rooks        BCD
KS      Rush        BCDE
KS      Russell        BCDE
KS      Saline        BCDE
KS      Scott        BCD
KS      Sedgwick        BCDE
KS      Seward        BCD
KS      Seward        BCD
KS      Smith        BCD
KS      Stafford        BCDE
KS      Stanton        BCD
KS      Stevens        BCD
KS      Stevens        BCD
KS      Sumner        BCDE
KS      Trego        BCDE
KS      Wabaunsee        BCDE
KS      Wabaunsee        BCDE
KS      Washington        BCDE
KS      Wichita        BCD
KS      Wichita        BCD
KS      Wilson        BCDE
KS      Woodson        BCDE
ME      Androscoggin        BCDE
ME      Aroostook        CDE
ME      Cumberland        BCDE
ME      Cumberland        BCDE
ME      Franklin        BCDE
ME      Hancock        CDE
ME      Kennebec        CDE
ME      Knox        BCDE
ME      Penobscot        CDE
ME      Penobscot        CDE
ME      Sagadahoc        BCDE
ME      Somerset        CDE
ME      York        BCDE
MI      Alger        DEFG
MI      Baraga        BCDE
MI      Delta        DEFG
MI      Gogebic        BCDE
MI      Houghton        BCDE
MI      Iron        BCDE
MI      Keweenaw        BCDE
MI      Marquette        BCDE
MI      Ontonagon        BCDE
MI      Schoolcraft        DEFG
MO      Audrain        BCD
MO      Barry        BCDE
MO      Barton        BCDE
MO      Boone        BCDE
MO      Butler        BCDE
MO      Callaway        BCDE
MO      Camden        BCDE
MO      Cole        BCDE
MO      Cooper        BCDE
MO      Crawford        BCDE
MO      Dallas        BCDE
MO      Dent        BCDE
MO      Gasconade        BCDE
MO      Greene        BCDE
MO      Hickory        BCDE
MO      Howell        BCDE
MO      Jasper        BCDE
MO      Laclede        BCDE
MO      Laclede        BCDE
MO      Lewis        BCD
MO      Lewis        BCD
MO      Lincoln        BCDE
MO      Madison        BCDE
MO      Maries        BCDE
MO      Marion        BCD
MO      Miller        BCDE
MO      Moniteau        BCDE
MO      Monroe        BCD
MO      Montgomery        BCDE
MO      Morgan        BCDE
MO      New Madrid        BCDE
MO      Newton        BCDE
MO      Oregon        BCDE
MO      Osage        BCDE
MO      Ozark        BCDE
MO      Phelps        BCDE
MO      Pike        BCDE
MO      Pike        BCDE
MO      Polk        BCDE
MO      Pulaski        BCDE
MO      Ralls        BCD
MO      Randolph        BCD
MO      Shelby        BCD
MO      Stoddard        BCDE
MO      Stone        BCDE
MO      Taney        BCDE
MO      Taney        BCDE
MO      Texas        BCDE
MO      Texas        BCDE
MO      Webster        BCDE
MO      Wright        BCDE
MS      Alcorn        BCDE
MS      Alcorn        BCDE
MS      Kemper        BCDE
MS      Lauderdale        BCDE
MS      Quitman        BCDE
MS      Tishomingo        BCDE
MS      Tishomingo        BCDE
MS      Tunica        BCDE
MS      Yalobusha        BCDE
NC      Beaufort        BCDE
NC      Beaufort        BCDE
NC      Carteret        BCDE
NC      Carteret        BCDE
NC      Columbus        BCDE
NC      Craven        BCDE
NC      Dare        BCDE
NC      Dare        BCDE
NC      Forsyth        BCDE
NC      Forsyth        BCDE
NC      Guilford        BCDE
NC      Hyde        BCDE
NC      Jones        BCDE
NC      Martin        BCDE
NC      New Hanover        BCDE
NC      Onslow        BCDE
NC      Pamlico        BCDE
NC      Pender        BCDE
NC      Pender        BCDE
NC      Randolph        BCDE
NC      Stokes        BCDE
NC      Stokes        BCDE
NC      Tyrrell        BCDE
NC      Washington        BCDE
ND      Billings        BCDE
ND      Billings        BCDE
ND      Burke        BCDE
ND      Divide        BCDE
ND      Divide        BCDE
ND      Dunn        BCDE
ND      Dunn        BCDE
ND      McKenzie        BCDE
ND      McKenzie        BCDE
ND      McLean        BCDE
ND      McLean        BCDE
ND      Mercer        BCDE
ND      Mountrail        BCDE
ND      Mountrail        BCDE
ND      Sioux        BCDE
ND      Ward        BCDE
ND      Ward        BCDE
ND      Williams        BCDE
ND      Williams        BCDE
NE      Cass        BCDE
NE      Douglas        BCDE
NE      Lancaster        BCDE
NE      Otoe        BCD
NE      Sarpy        BCDE
NE      Sioux        BCDEF
NE      Thayer        BCD
NM      Chaves        BCDE
NM      Chaves        BCDE
NM      Eddy        BCDE
NM      Eddy        BCDE
NM      Eddy        BCDE
NM      Guadalupe        BCDE
NM      Lea        BCDE
NM      Lea        BCDE
NM      Lea        BCDE
NM      Lea        BCDE
NM      Los Alamos        BCDE
NM      Mora        BCDE
NM      Rio Arriba        BCDE
NM      Rio Arriba        BCDE
NM      Rio Arriba        BCDE
NM      San Miguel        BCDE
NM      San Miguel        BCDE
NM      San Miguel        BCDE
NM      Santa Fe        BCDE
NM      Taos        BCDE
NM      Taos        BCDE
NY      Clinton        BCDE
NY      Clinton        BCDE
NY      Essex        BCDE
OK      Alfalfa        BCDE
OK      Alfalfa        BCDE
OK      Atoka        BCD
OK      Beaver        BCD
OK      Beaver        BCD
OK      Beckham        BCDE
OK      Caddo        BCDE
OK      Cimarron        BCD
OK      Coal        BCD
OK      Comanche        BCD
OK      Cotton        BCD
OK      Craig        BCDE
OK      Custer        BCDE
OK      Dewey        BCDE
OK      Dewey        BCDE
OK      Ellis        BCDE
OK      Ellis        BCDE
OK      Grant        BCDE
OK      Grant        BCDE
OK      Greer        BCDE
OK      Harper        BCDE
OK      Harper        BCDE
OK      Hughes        BCD
OK      Jackson        BCDE
OK      Kay        BCDE
OK      Kay        BCDE
OK      Kiowa        BCDE
OK      Major        BCDE
OK      Ottawa        BCDE
OK      Pittsburg        BCDE
OK      Pittsburg        BCDE
OK      Pontotoc        BCD
OK      Pontotoc        BCD
OK      Roger Mills        BCDE
OK      Roger Mills        BCDE
OK      Stephens        BCD
OK      Texas        BCD
OK      Texas        BCD
OK      Washita        BCDE
OK      Woods        BCDE
OK      Woodward        BCDE
OK      Woodward        BCDE
OR      Baker        BCDE
OR      Baker        BCDE
OR      Baker        BCDE
OR      Coos        BCD
OR      Coos        BCD
OR      Curry        BCD
OR      Douglas        BCD
OR      Douglas        BCD
OR      Douglas        BCD
OR      Gilliam        BCDE
OR      Jackson        BCD
OR      Klamath        BCD
OR      Klamath        BCD
OR      Lane        BCD
OR      Lane        BCD
OR      Morrow        BCDE
OR      Morrow        BCDE
OR      Umatilla        BCDE
OR      Umatilla        BCDE
OR      Union        BCDE
OR      Wallowa        BCDE
OR      Wallowa        BCDE
OR      Wallowa        BCDE
SC      Dillon        BCDE
SC      Florence        BCDE
SC      Horry        BCDE
SC      Marion        BCDE
SD      Brown        BCDE
SD      Brown        BCDE
SD      Campbell        BCDE
SD      Corson        BCDE
SD      Dewey        BCDE
SD      Dewey        BCDE
SD      Edmunds        BCDE
SD      Faulk        BCDE
SD      Marshall        BCDE
SD      McPherson        BCDE
SD      McPherson        BCDE
SD      Meade        BCDE
SD      Potter        BCDE
SD      Spink        BCDE
SD      Walworth        BCDE
SD      Ziebach        BCDE
TX      Andrews        BCDE
TX      Brewster        BCDE
TX      Coke        BCDE
TX      Concho        BCDE
TX      Concho        BCDE
TX      Crane        BCDE
TX      Crockett        BCDE
TX      Dawson        BCDE
TX      Ector        BCDE
TX      Edwards        BCDE
TX      Gaines        BCDE
TX      Glasscock        BCDE
TX      Howard        BCDE
TX      Irion        BCDE
TX      Jeff Davis        BCDE
TX      Kimble        BCDE
TX      Kimble        BCDE
TX      Kinney        BCDE
TX      Martin        BCDE
TX      Mason        BCDE
TX      McCulloch        BCDE
TX      McCulloch        BCDE
TX      Menard        BCDE
TX      Pecos        BCDE
TX      Presidio        BCDE
TX      Reeves        BCDE
TX      Runnels        BCDE
TX      Runnels        BCDE
TX      Schleicher        BCDE
TX      Sterling        BCDE
TX      Sterling        BCDE
TX      Sutton        BCDE
TX      Sutton        BCDE
TX      Terrell        BCDE
TX      Tom Green        BCDE
TX      Tom Green        BCDE
TX      Upton        BCDE
TX      Val Verde        BCDE
TX      Ward        BCDE
TX      Ward        BCDE
TX      Winkler        BCDE
UT      Kane        BCD
UT      Rich        BCDE
UT      San Juan        BCD
VA      Amherst        BCDE
VA      Appomattox        BCDE
VA      Bedford        BCDE
VA      Bedford City        BCDE
VA      Botetourt        BCDE
VA      Botetourt        BCDE
VA      Campbell        BCDE
VA      Franklin        BCDE
VA      Franklin        BCDE
VA      Lynchburg City        BCDE
VA      Lynchburg City        BCDE
VA      Montgomery        BCDE
VA      Montgomery        BCDE
VA      Pulaski        BCDE
VA      Radford City        BCDE
VA      Roanoke        BCDE
VA      Roanoke        BCDE
VA      Roanoke City        BCDE
VA      Roanoke City        BCDE
VA      Salem City        BCDE
VT      Chittenden        BCDE
VT      Chittenden        BCDE
VT      Franklin        BCDE
VT      Franklin        BCDE
VT      Rutland        BCDE
WA      Adams        BCDE
WA      Adams        BCDE
WA      Benton        BCDE
WA      Chelan        BCDE
WA      Chelan        BCDE
WA      Chelan        BCDE
WA      Douglas        BCDE
WA      Franklin        BCDE
WA      Grant        BCDE
WA      Grant        BCDE
WA      Kittitas        BCDE
WA      Kittitas        BCDE
WA      Okanogan        BCDE
WA      Okanogan        BCDE
WA      Yakima        BCDE
WI      Ashland        BCDE
WI      Ashland        BCDE
WI      Bayfield        BCDE
WI      Bayfield        BCDE
WI      Clark        BCDE
WI      Clark        BCDE
WI      Florence        BCDE
WI      Forest        BCDE
WI      Iron        BCDE
WI      Langlade        BCDE
WI      Lincoln        BCDE
WI      Marathon        BCDE
WI      Marinette        BCDE
WI      Oneida        BCDE
WI      Price        BCDE
WI      Richland        BCDE
WI      Sauk        BCDE
WI      Shawano        BCDE
WI      Taylor        BCDE
WI      Vilas        BCDE
WI      Wood        BCDE
WV      Preston        BCDE
WV      Preston        BCDE
WY      Albany        BCDE
WY      Albany        BCDE
WY      Albany        BCDE
WY      Campbell        BCDE
WY      Campbell        BCDE
WY      Campbell        BCDE
WY      Carbon        BCDE
WY      Carbon        BCDE
WY      Converse        BCDE
WY      Crook        BCDE
WY      Crook        BCDE
WY      Fremont        BCDE
WY      Fremont        BCDE
WY      Goshen        BCDEF
WY      Goshen        BCDEF
WY      Hot Springs        BCDE
WY      Laramie        BCDE
WY      Laramie        BCDE
WY      Lincoln        BCDE
WY      Lincoln        BCDE
WY      Lincoln        BCDE
WY      Natrona        BCDE
WY      Natrona        BCDE
WY      Niobrara        BCDE
WY      Niobrara        BCDE
WY      Platte        BCDE
WY      Sublette        BCDE
WY      Sublette        BCDE
WY      Sweetwater        BCDE
WY      Sweetwater        BCDE
WY      Teton        BCDE
WY      Teton        BCDE
WY      Washakie        BCDE
WY      Washakie        BCDE
WY      Weston        BCDE

Title: Re: T-Mobile Nov 2017 Starts
Post by: Pete Erskine on August 17, 2017, 08:15:53 PM
Here is the cover letter which came with the county list of startup for 2017

Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Pete Erskine on August 24, 2017, 03:26:09 PM
T-Mobile will be energizing various counties throughout the continental US (all of the areas in the last T-Mobile email) before the end of this year.  Once they begin testing, wireless operators must cease operation of any device in the affected spectrum. Radio Active Designs is in communications with T-Mobile Spectrum engineers and will be posting test sites on our web site along with the specific counties throughout the US. 

Following is a map that our friends at Professional Wireless Systems have put together that provides details on the counties across the United States that T-Mobile plans on lighting up November 1.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Cameron Stuckey on October 12, 2017, 01:18:29 PM
In September I went to Portland, ME to see the second ever announced 600MHz T-Mobile tower for myself and to take some scans. I've attached a screen shot showing their operation.

T-Mobile won Blocks BCDE, but as you can see from the frequency markers in the picture they are only transmitting C and D. I can only speculate that that is to decrease interference to the lower and upper adjacent DTV channels until they complete their transition.

To note, these carriers are clean. There was some speculation early on that Guardbands and Duplex Gaps may have been too noisy to operate wireless mics. I am optimistic that the Guard Band and Duplex Gaps will be useable as the skirts of these carriers are small. Front end saturation may very well still be a problem depending on your location, but OOBE should not cause interference. These are different signals than we are used to with DTV. They are 5MHz per block rather than 6MHz, there is no pilot tone and they will be operated in many more locations than DTV towers, to be certain. Lots to reconsider as these systems begin transmitting, I hope this helps some of you.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Ike Zimbel on November 01, 2017, 08:14:57 PM
In September I went to Portland, ME to see the second ever announced 600MHz T-Mobile tower for myself and to take some scans. I've attached a screen shot showing their operation.

T-Mobile won Blocks BCDE, but as you can see from the frequency markers in the picture they are only transmitting C and D. I can only speculate that that is to decrease interference to the lower and upper adjacent DTV channels until they complete their transition.

To note, these carriers are clean. There was some speculation early on that Guardbands and Duplex Gaps may have been too noisy to operate wireless mics. I am optimistic that the Guard Band and Duplex Gaps will be useable as the skirts of these carriers are small. Front end saturation may very well still be a problem depending on your location, but OOBE should not cause interference. These are different signals than we are used to with DTV. They are 5MHz per block rather than 6MHz, there is no pilot tone and they will be operated in many more locations than DTV towers, to be certain. Lots to reconsider as these systems begin transmitting, I hope this helps some of you.
This is a great picture of what the towers are going to look like...assuming the folks looking after them are good citizens and don't try and cheat up the power to the point where we start to see spill into the guard bands.
But, this raises the question: What will the signal from the devices look like? That is something that we will be more likely to encounter, at close range inside a venue.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Mark Hadman on November 25, 2017, 06:20:09 PM
It's quite concerning that there seem to be at least 4 TV broadcasts still operational there, including in the duplex gap which is supposed to be for mics and whitespace devices only as I understand it.

I'm passing through Natrona County, Wyoming tomorrow. I'll try to get some detailed scans.

mH

In September I went to Portland, ME to see the second ever announced 600MHz T-Mobile tower for myself and to take some scans. I've attached a screen shot showing their operation.

T-Mobile won Blocks BCDE, but as you can see from the frequency markers in the picture they are only transmitting C and D. I can only speculate that that is to decrease interference to the lower and upper adjacent DTV channels until they complete their transition.

To note, these carriers are clean. There was some speculation early on that Guardbands and Duplex Gaps may have been too noisy to operate wireless mics. I am optimistic that the Guard Band and Duplex Gaps will be useable as the skirts of these carriers are small. Front end saturation may very well still be a problem depending on your location, but OOBE should not cause interference. These are different signals than we are used to with DTV. They are 5MHz per block rather than 6MHz, there is no pilot tone and they will be operated in many more locations than DTV towers, to be certain. Lots to reconsider as these systems begin transmitting, I hope this helps some of you.
Title: T-Mobile Website 600MHz Map of Deployments
Post by: Henry Cohen on December 02, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
This is T-Mobile's website (https://howmobileworks.com) where they will be updating information on their deployments through the transition period [as their legal department permits]. At this time, they only list deployments at the county level. We are working with them to see if a bit more granularity can be provided for those particularly large counties.

And just a reminder: We are in the midst of the transition period (through July 2020). Things are transitioning for the next 29 months . . .
Title: Re: T-Mobile Website 600MHz Map of Deployments
Post by: Tom Burgess on December 04, 2017, 01:54:15 PM


This is T-Mobile's website where they will be updating information on their deployments through the transition period [as their legal department permits]. At this time, they only list deployments at the county level. We are working with them to see if a bit more granularity can be provided for those particularly large counties.

And just a reminder: We are in the midst of the transition period (through July 2020). Things are transitioning for the next 29 months . . .
 (https://howmobileworks.com[/url)

I think you may have missed a bracket and a keystroke in your link...  was this the one you were pointing to?

https://howmobileworks.com

Incidentally, thanks to you and the other wireless pros for keeping us posted on your findings on this subject.  Very helpful info!
Title: Re: T-Mobile Website 600MHz Map of Deployments
Post by: Henry Cohen on December 04, 2017, 04:40:25 PM
I think you may have missed a bracket and a keystroke in your link...  was this the one you were pointing to?

Fixed.

Thank you.
Title: T-Mobile Deployment Update.
Post by: Henry Cohen on December 16, 2017, 11:28:25 AM
First - I'd like to acknowledge the help and assistance of the 600MHz spectrum group at T-Mobile for their understanding and willingness to provide as much advance information on their 600MHz deployments as their legal department will permit. Their communications and assistance will hopefully minimize the pain for most.

Some important updates:
1)  Due to the way they've conducted their initial testing in the first two markets (Cheyenne, WY and Portland, ME), when T-Mobile now commences service in additional markets the actual testing is only about a day's worth and then it's full service.

2) Major markets, including metro areas, will be seeing service beginning as early as second quarter 2018.

3) Although T-Mobile for the most part has two to three blocks in each major market and three to four in secondary markets, virtually all as adjacent pairs, the initial commencement of services in 2018 will only be a single downlink/uplink pair in major markets and two block pairs in the secondaries. These will be the the most centered block pair(s); C or C & D. The remaining blocks will come online mid to late 2019, after IEEE publishes the final 5G standards (5th generation of cellular phone system architecture, not 5GHz) and cell site radio OEMs provide updated software and firmware.

4) Although right now T-Mobile is only providing commencement of service information at a county level, we are working on getting a bit more granularity for the large counties (such as those out west).


Regarding the other new 600MHz licensees (Comcast, Dish and others), there is still no direct line of communication with any knowledeable representatives from any of these entities. Cellular industry chatter suggests it will be a while before any of these licensees light up, but do not become complacent: Whereas T-Mobile understands the advantages of an open line of communications, the others probably do not care and will simply commence service with little or no warning, other than 120 letters to LPTV and translator owners as required by FCC regulations (maybe).
Title: Re: T-Mobile Deployment Update.
Post by: Ike Zimbel on December 18, 2017, 05:52:29 PM
First - I'd like to acknowledge the help and assistance of the 600MHz spectrum group at T-Mobile for their understanding and willingness to provide as much advance information on their 600MHz deployments as their legal department will permit. Their communications and assistance will hopefully minimize the pain for most.

Some important updates:
1)  Due to the way they've conducted their initial testing in the first two markets (Cheyenne, WY and Portland, ME), when T-Mobile now commences service in additional markets the actual testing is only about a day's worth and then it's full service.

2) Major markets, including metro areas, will be seeing service beginning as early as second quarter 2018.

3) Although T-Mobile for the most part has two to three blocks in each major market and three to four in secondary markets, virtually all as adjacent pairs, the initial commencement of services in 2018 will only be a single downlink/uplink pair in major markets and two block pairs in the secondaries. These will be the the most centered block pair(s); C or C & D. The remaining blocks will come online mid to late 2019, after IEEE publishes the final 5G standards (5th generation of cellular phone system architecture, not 5GHz) and cell site radio OEMs provide updated software and firmware.

4) Although right now T-Mobile is only providing commencement of service information at a county level, we are working on getting a bit more granularity for the large counties (such as those out west).


Regarding the other new 600MHz licensees (Comcast, Dish and others), there is still no direct line of communication with any knowledeable representatives from any of these entities. Cellular industry chatter suggests it will be a while before any of these licensees light up, but do not become complacent: Whereas T-Mobile understands the advantages of an open line of communications, the others probably do not care and will simply commence service with little or no warning, other than 120 letters to LPTV and translator owners as required by FCC regulations (maybe).
Thanks for the update(s), Henry!
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Henry Cohen on January 29, 2018, 09:54:52 PM
Latest T-Mobile spreadsheet (https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FIPS-Notification-1.29.2018.xlsx) of deployment activity, past and for 2018. As of Jan 28, 2018.
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Aram Piligian on January 29, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
Thanks Henry! 
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Jason Glass on February 03, 2018, 03:55:06 PM
Latest T-Mobile spreadsheet (https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FIPS-Notification-1.29.2018.xlsx) of deployment activity, past and for 2018. As of Jan 28, 2018.

Thank you, Henry!  Here's that data, sorted and mapped.  https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&hl=en&mid=1b_LOMSl3Xewr7VEzK6OkqrlJKJQBwqgU&ll=39.71440121216505%2C-96.2548908&z=4 (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&hl=en&mid=1b_LOMSl3Xewr7VEzK6OkqrlJKJQBwqgU&ll=39.71440121216505%2C-96.2548908&z=4)
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Ike Zimbel on February 03, 2018, 04:02:40 PM
Thank you, Henry!  Here's that data, sorted and mapped.  https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&hl=en&mid=1b_LOMSl3Xewr7VEzK6OkqrlJKJQBwqgU&ll=39.71440121216505%2C-96.2548908&z=4 (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&hl=en&mid=1b_LOMSl3Xewr7VEzK6OkqrlJKJQBwqgU&ll=39.71440121216505%2C-96.2548908&z=4)
Holy sh*t! So much for the 39 month transition period, in case anyone still had the fantasy that that was a thing. Thanks for doing this, Jason!
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Don Boomer on February 03, 2018, 08:17:03 PM
The 39 month was never a guarantee. Only a best case if the wind was to your back. I’m still suprised that there hasnt been more discussion of what impact the Microsoft Whitespace plan will have on witeless mics in the UHF TV band. In my opinion this will be the killer.
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Scott Helmke on February 08, 2018, 06:01:12 PM
Thank you, Henry!  Here's that data, sorted and mapped.  https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&hl=en&mid=1b_LOMSl3Xewr7VEzK6OkqrlJKJQBwqgU&ll=39.71440121216505%2C-96.2548908&z=4 (https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&hl=en&mid=1b_LOMSl3Xewr7VEzK6OkqrlJKJQBwqgU&ll=39.71440121216505%2C-96.2548908&z=4)

Wow, that's a great resource - thanks!

Based on a quick look, I'm very happy that I'm in Chicago rather than New York City.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Jay Marr on March 04, 2018, 11:51:49 AM
The FCC statement is correct: "Spectrum will continue to be available for wireless microphone use on the other TV channels 2-36 (TV band frequencies that fall below 608 MHz), on portions of the 600 MHz guard band (the 614-616 MHz frequencies) and the 600 MHz duplex gap (the 653-663 MHz frequencies), and in various other spectrum bands outside of the TV bands."  These are the >614MHz frequency ranges that will be available after July 2020 when the transition period ends.

Can someone confirm I'm understanding this correctly?

As long as I stay between 653-663, my Sennheiser wireless system will be fine?  (which is B-Band 626-662 I believe).
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Henry Cohen on March 04, 2018, 01:05:26 PM
Can someone confirm I'm understanding this correctly?

As long as I stay between 653-663, my Sennheiser wireless system will be fine?  (which is B-Band 626-662 I believe).

Yes, but no. The issue is more that the equipment you're using now will lose its FCC certification on July 13, 2020 because it will still be able to tune to frequencies within the auctioned spectrum, and operate at a power level greater than 20mW. So although you might operate only within the 653-663 MHz range if you have a Part 74 license, or 657-663 if you don't, and set your transmitter to 20mW or less, the equipment will not be in compliance with the new technical rules and thus you'll be operating illegally.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Jay Marr on March 04, 2018, 01:21:02 PM
Yes, but no. The issue is more that the equipment you're using now will lose its FCC certification on July 13, 2020 because it will still be able to tune to frequencies within the auctioned spectrum, and operate at a power level greater than 20mW. So although you might operate only within the 653-663 MHz range if you have a Part 74 license, or 657-663 if you don't, and set your transmitter to 20mW or less, the equipment will not be in compliance with the new technical rules and thus you'll be operating illegally.

Thanks Henry.  I guess my question should have also stated.  Maybe my device itself is not complaint, but I can operate with a frequency range that is considered legal, so I should not have interference with (for example) T-Mobile?

That's certainly a situation that would be fine for me.  If the FCC wants to swing by the bars I play at to investigate my wireless mic...then shame on me and I'll accept the consequences.  But otherwise, it seems like I can squeeze for life out of my Sennheiser unit.
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Henry Cohen on March 04, 2018, 02:39:46 PM
Maybe my device itself is not complaint, but I can operate with a frequency range that is considered legal, so I should not have interference with (for example) T-Mobile?

Operating within the prescribed band (653-657, 657-663 MHz) at or below the correct power level, virtually insures you will not cause interference to, or suffer interference from, the adjacent channel wireless carriers, which is mostly not T-Mobile. Except for about a half dozen markets where T-Mobile acquired 600MHz LTE blocks A or G, it will be other carriers adjacent to the duplex gap.


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That's certainly a situation that would be fine for me . . .  But otherwise, it seems like I can squeeze for life out of my Sennheiser unit.

It's likely not wise to state on a public forum your intent to flout federal regulations; low hanging fruit, steep fines and all that jazz. Neither action is condoned or recommended.
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Henry Cohen on April 03, 2018, 10:13:44 PM
Latest T-Mobile spreadsheet (https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FIPS-Notification-1.29.2018.xlsx) of deployment activity, past and for 2018. As of Jan 28, 2018.

Updated as of March 28, 2018 (https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/non-stations-notifications-_03282018.xlsx)
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Jason Glass on April 11, 2018, 05:56:33 PM
Updated as of March 28, 2018 (https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/non-stations-notifications-_03282018.xlsx)
FYI I updated the map on 4/5. Guys, it's important to keep checking on these. I see that they pushed back their Nashville deployments from Q1 to Q3. I doubt that it's the only instance of changes.

https://goo.gl/maps/d51MKdBxbRP2

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Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Scott Helmke on February 20, 2019, 05:03:53 PM
T-Mobile sent out a fresh spreadsheet this month:
https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/FIPS-Notification-by-county-020519.xlsx
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Jason Glass on February 21, 2019, 09:32:43 PM
T-Mobile sent out a fresh spreadsheet this month:
https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/FIPS-Notification-by-county-020519.xlsx
FYI everyone, my Google map is updated with this new info.

https://goo.gl/maps/d51MKdBxbRP2

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Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Nathan McBee on March 01, 2019, 04:27:52 PM
at this point in time, 3/19, what are the legal operating criteria for the 600 band?
If TM has deployed is it illegal to operate? I was under the impression that when they took over a market it was then void.

This of course before the loss of certification in 2020


***** i got my answer. this reply can be deleted
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Jonathan Novick on April 13, 2019, 06:51:17 PM
FYI, a fellow from T-Mobile came by my booth and mentioned that recently they turned on 100 towers in They hope to keep that pace going too. It is a fast changing world out there.
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Eric Snodgrass on April 18, 2019, 02:22:35 PM
On Friday April 12th I worked two different events in the Los Angeles area.  On the corporate one during the day their wireless Telex com system was taking hits, even though it was working the day before.  Yes, it was in the 600MHz range and the production knew that it would eventually be illegal.
Then that same night as I was working as a local A2 for a first national Broadway tour they experienced transmit/receive problems with at least 5 packs, all in the 500MHz range.  Those packs had been working fine for the prior 17 days of their sitdown in Los Angeles.
The next morning I had to rescan my television because a few channels had moved. 
I think I experienced the T-Mobile deployment in one day.  The Broadway tour has their wireless racks hooked up via Wi-Fi to the vendor's server and receives updated scans of the area, but the deployment and channel move happened quicker than the vendor could update the channel frequency scans. 
So when the map says that T-Mobile is deploying on a certain date, believe it. 
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Brian Bolly on May 31, 2019, 10:26:01 AM
T-Mobile has a new spreadsheet as of May 9:

https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FIPS-Notification-by-county-050919.xlsx
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Jason Glass on June 18, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
FYI everyone, my Google map is updated with this new info.

https://goo.gl/maps/d51MKdBxbRP2

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http://cleanwirelessaudio.com (http://cleanwirelessaudio.com) cellular Band 71 600 MHz USA map updated today to show T-Mobile deployment info distributed on 6/5/2019.
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Ike Zimbel on June 18, 2019, 06:35:30 PM
http://cleanwirelessaudio.com (http://cleanwirelessaudio.com) cellular Band 71 600 MHz USA map updated today to show T-Mobile deployment info distributed on 6/5/2019.
Thanks Jason!
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: John Sulek on June 18, 2019, 06:37:18 PM
http://cleanwirelessaudio.com (http://cleanwirelessaudio.com) cellular Band 71 600 MHz USA map updated today to show T-Mobile deployment info distributed on 6/5/2019.

Thank you kind sir!
Title: Re: Cheyenne & Portland ME 07/31/2017
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on September 15, 2019, 04:20:52 PM

It's likely not wise to state on a public forum your intent to flout federal regulations; low hanging fruit, steep fines and all that jazz. Neither action is condoned or recommended.

I was rereading this thread and I was wondering if you can answer a question regarding this statement you made regarding steep fines?

I have been telling people that if caught violating this (is it a rule a regulation or a law) the chances are that they will first be issued a cease and desist order. If they don’t cease and desist using the device (or devices) that violates this that they will then be fined. And the fine is for each device and each incident. So if they have 10 wireless mics in use the fine could be $$$$$$ times 10 per usage. And this enforcement will come from the FCC based on complaints.

Is this correct and what is the dollar amount of the fine? I am curious if I have the numbers and information correct, because I can’t remember where I first heard it.
Title: Re: T-Mobile 600MHz Testing Commencements by Market
Post by: Scott Helmke on October 24, 2019, 09:57:40 AM
New T-Mobile deployment spreadsheet for October 2019:
https://howmobileworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FIPS-Notification-by-county-102119.xlsx