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Title: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Stephen Snipes on November 20, 2011, 06:43:14 PM
So I generally use only 2 of the RGBA Pucks to wash the dance floor at the parties I do.  People still say that is too much light.  I was thinking of going with the Blizzard Flurry TRI since it is just a moving head that does wash. This way instead of having the light in one place I could just have it moving around thus it won't look so bright.  I used the Pucks on a DMX controller but you can't do sound active with the RGBA and when you use color macros you can't adjust the intensity.  Any ideas?

- Light needs to be under $500 as I'm sure I'll change lights in 2-3 years.
- Would like something small since I set the lights on a table beside me a lot
- Would love for it to be RGBAW
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Tim Weaver on November 20, 2011, 07:30:09 PM
So I generally use only 2 of the RGBA Pucks to wash the dance floor at the parties I do.  People still say that is too much light.  I was thinking of going with the Blizzard Flurry TRI since it is just a moving head that does wash. This way instead of having the light in one place I could just have it moving around thus it won't look so bright.  I used the Pucks on a DMX controller but you can't do sound active with the RGBA and when you use color macros you can't adjust the intensity.  Any ideas?

- Light needs to be under $500 as I'm sure I'll change lights in 2-3 years.
- Would like something small since I set the lights on a table beside me a lot
- Would love for it to be RGBAW

Tape a neutral density filter to the lights. Its like window tint, but it doesn't change the color. You'll find that all nicer camera stores will either have it, or can get it. It's made by the same guys that do color gel for par cans....
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Stephen Snipes on November 21, 2011, 12:09:43 AM
Tape a neutral density filter to the lights. Its like window tint, but it doesn't change the color. You'll find that all nicer camera stores will either have it, or can get it. It's made by the same guys that do color gel for par cans....

Oh I know exactly what you are talking about... I'll give that a try thanks.  They that have it in percentages?
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 21, 2011, 12:36:12 AM
So I generally use only 2 of the RGBA Pucks to wash the dance floor at the parties I do.  People still say that is too much light.  I was thinking of going with the Blizzard Flurry TRI since it is just a moving head that does wash. This way instead of having the light in one place I could just have it moving around thus it won't look so bright.  I used the Pucks on a DMX controller but you can't do sound active with the RGBA and when you use color macros you can't adjust the intensity.  Any ideas?

- Light needs to be under $500 as I'm sure I'll change lights in 2-3 years.
- Would like something small since I set the lights on a table beside me a lot
- Would love for it to be RGBAW

There is a Blizzard Flurry Wash Quad now.  They added W to the RGB.
email KPODJ and ask them.  It's new and not on their site yet.  Price is good, way under $500
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Tim Weaver on November 21, 2011, 01:24:19 AM
Oh I know exactly what you are talking about... I'll give that a try thanks.  They that have it in percentages?

It's graded in "stops" for the photo/film industry. 1 Stop of ND filter should give you half the light output. Make sure you pay attention, though because ND filters are typically graded by 1/3 stop increments.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Tim Padrick on November 21, 2011, 03:23:21 AM
How about just turning them down?
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: duane massey on November 21, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
A real part of the problem is location. If the lights are on tables, then they are probably shining into people eyes, and this is truly annoying. Buy 2 stands (or 1) and get them up in the air.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Stephen Snipes on November 21, 2011, 11:43:44 AM
How about just turning them down?

Only problem with that is when using a DMX controller and using color macros the intensity doesn't work for some odd reason.  It goes to full on so the only way for me to turn them down is to lower the lights on the stand and do them manually.  Doing that while I'm DJing just won't work as I barely have 2 mins between each song.  I may try setting them at 200 instead of 255 and see how that does.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Stephen Snipes on November 21, 2011, 11:47:08 AM
A real part of the problem is location. If the lights are on tables, then they are probably shining into people eyes, and this is truly annoying. Buy 2 stands (or 1) and get them up in the air.

The Pucks are on st-132 stands so they are pretty high up.  I was saying I usually put the moving head on the table.  Haven't really had anyone complain about it hitting their eyes as usually their bodies block most of the light.  I have them set to hit the ceiling anyway so that usually helps out some.  I just get tired of putting the clamps on every time I take them out of the box.  I need a case that lets me keep the clamps on so I can start putting them on my t-bar easier.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 21, 2011, 12:25:59 PM
The Pucks are on st-132 stands so they are pretty high up.  I was saying I usually put the moving head on the table.  Haven't really had anyone complain about it hitting their eyes as usually their bodies block most of the light.  I have them set to hit the ceiling anyway so that usually helps out some.  I just get tired of putting the clamps on every time I take them out of the box.  I need a case that lets me keep the clamps on so I can start putting them on my t-bar easier.

You looking for a way to store Flurry Washes with clamps on them?
I have 4 of them (and want more!) so this is an issue for me as well.

I have an idea on how to do this (assuming you're using O-clamps)

As soon as I reclaim my table saw (that has somehow become a basement table!) I'm going to take a shot at it.
I'll let you know if it works. 
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Stephen Snipes on November 21, 2011, 10:49:27 PM
You looking for a way to store Flurry Washes with clamps on them?
I have 4 of them (and want more!) so this is an issue for me as well.

I have an idea on how to do this (assuming you're using O-clamps)

As soon as I reclaim my table saw (that has somehow become a basement table!) I'm going to take a shot at it.
I'll let you know if it works.

Correct!  I have O-Clamps and C-Claps so it just depends on which T-Bar I use.  But I have an idea on how to store them which is basically making a board that has a hole for the O-Clamp to sit down into and the base sits on the wood.  This way the light stays sitting right side up on the base and I can support the actual light with foam.  I already have someone that is going to build the box itself so that is a positive.  So far I have seen some good videos on the Flurry so I think I am going to get them.  I'm just not sure which ones I want. 
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 22, 2011, 07:55:14 AM
Correct!  I have O-Clamps and C-Claps so it just depends on which T-Bar I use.  But I have an idea on how to store them which is basically making a board that has a hole for the O-Clamp to sit down into and the base sits on the wood.  This way the light stays sitting right side up on the base and I can support the actual light with foam.  I already have someone that is going to build the box itself so that is a positive.  So far I have seen some good videos on the Flurry so I think I am going to get them.  I'm just not sure which ones I want.

That's pretty much what I have planned.  The hard part is leaving enough open space to be able to grab the fixture by the base when its down in the case.  If you make one,/have one made, please post.  I'll do the same.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 22, 2011, 09:02:42 AM
Once again the forum has stymied my attempts at attaching a picture - apparently my 140kB 1024X768 JPG is a security violation of some kind.  If you're interested in the case I was attempting to post about, feel free to email/PM me and I'll send you the picture.  If I get around to it, I may upload it somewhere and post a link back.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Tim Weaver on November 22, 2011, 01:12:57 PM
Once again the forum has stymied my attempts at attaching a picture - apparently my 140kB 1024X768 JPG is a security violation of some kind.  If you're interested in the case I was attempting to post about, feel free to email/PM me and I'll send you the picture.  If I get around to it, I may upload it somewhere and post a link back.

Photobucket is free. It's very ad heavy, but you don't see them when you link to the pics...
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 22, 2011, 01:17:30 PM
Photobucket is free. It's very ad heavy, but you don't see them when you link to the pics...
I have my own hosting as well.  My point was expressing frustration that 11 months into the new forum software I still can't upload a simple JPG.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on November 22, 2011, 01:37:37 PM
I have my own hosting as well.  My point was expressing frustration that 11 months into the new forum software I still can't upload a simple JPG.

TJ.....

That may be my fault:

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,134527.msg1262890.html#new
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 22, 2011, 02:25:07 PM
TJ.....

That may be my fault:

http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,134527.msg1262890.html#new
I tried again resizing to 800pix wide, fail.  Resized to 799pix, 109kB - fail again:
"Your attachment has failed security checks and cannot be uploaded. Please consult the forum administrator."

Even if that's the issue, the error message is more than a little bit unhelpful, though I seem to be having a different problem.

Mega fail.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on November 22, 2011, 02:43:46 PM
I tried again resizing to 800pix wide, fail.  Resized to 799pix, 109kB - fail again:
"Your attachment has failed security checks and cannot be uploaded. Please consult the forum administrator."

Even if that's the issue, the error message is more than a little bit unhelpful, though I seem to be having a different problem.

Mega fail.

Did you take all the change out of your pockets and remove your belt and shoes before posting????
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 22, 2011, 03:20:35 PM
Did you take all the change out of your pockets and remove your belt and shoes before posting????
Breathalizer, DNA sequencing, the whole gamut.  Maybe it's the highly offensive nature of the Duratex-finished plywood case I took the picture of that is at issue here. 
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 23, 2011, 09:00:53 AM
Breathalizer, DNA sequencing, the whole gamut.  Maybe it's the highly offensive nature of the Duratex-finished plywood case I took the picture of that is at issue here.
Hopefully this isn't anticlimactic after all my complaining, but I wrote up a build post on my case here:
http://www.soundforums.net/live/threads/2419-Chauvet-SlimPar-Pro-RGBA-Review?p=21272&viewfull=1#post21272

Obviously this isn't a case for Flurry Washes, but I suspect I had similar goals in needing small cases for van-level gigs that don't require 3/4 ply and 2" of foam around everything.  Hopefully this is helpful.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 12:26:06 PM
Hopefully this isn't anticlimactic after all my complaining, but I wrote up a build post on my case here:
http://www.soundforums.net/live/threads/2419-Chauvet-SlimPar-Pro-RGBA-Review?p=21272&viewfull=1#post21272

Obviously this isn't a case for Flurry Washes, but I suspect I had similar goals in needing small cases for van-level gigs that don't require 3/4 ply and 2" of foam around everything.  Hopefully this is helpful.

<Deleted pic I posted to test the pic function - it worked, but was off topic (was from an ad of a camera I'm selling)>
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 23, 2011, 02:32:29 PM

I'm not sure why you can do it and I can't - my picture was smaller dimensionally and in file size than what you posted.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 02:48:56 PM
I'm not sure why you can do it and I can't - my picture was smaller dimensionally and in file size than what you posted.

I copied your photo and tried to post it and it wouldn't take so I tried to post something of my own as an experiment.
Then I had to leave home and go do something so the post went up w/no text.
There's something odd on why your pics won't post, but I don't know what it is. 
(you on a mac or something?  LOL!)

I don't like the image posting software on PSW currently
(fwiw, I don't like what the "other" forum uses either - they're both clunky at best)
but seeing what I pay, I am getting my money's worth from it!

<edit - trying again to attach the file>
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 03:10:06 PM
I copied your photo and tried to post it and it wouldn't take so I tried to post something of my own as an experiment.
Then I had to leave home and go do something so the post went up w/no text.
There's something odd on why your pics won't post, but I don't know what it is. 
(you on a mac or something?  LOL!)

I don't like the image posting software on PSW currently
(fwiw, I don't like what the "other" forum uses either - they're both clunky at best)
but seeing what I pay, I am getting my money's worth from it!

<edit - trying again to attach the file>

Looks like it worked.

fwiw, I copied the file, resized it down to 800 and saved it and tried to post again.
Worked that time.  Not sure why it worked for me.  Who knows.  The software here is definitely on the clunky side.

I can't slag on them too hard though, stuff has been getting done (albeit slowly)
They actually got the old PSW posts converted and made them searchable!
(which was a huge bone of contention with some posters)   
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 23, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
Looks like it worked.

fwiw, I copied the file, resized it down to 800 and saved it and tried to post again.
Worked that time.  Not sure why it worked for me.  Who knows.  The software here is definitely on the clunky side.

I can't slag on them too hard though, stuff has been getting done (albeit slowly)
They actually got the old PSW posts converted and made them searchable!
(which was a huge bone of contention with some posters)
My picture workflow is as follows:
- Take picture with canon 5DII in RAW
- ACR fix color, exposure, crop, etc., save as JPG quality 10, sRGB
- Open with Photoshop CS4 (yes I'm stuck in 2009)
- Change image size to XXXX x YYYY
- Save as JPG

As far as I know I'm not doing anything weird - they're 8-bit/channel JPGs, standard color space, and they work fine on other forums.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 04:23:59 PM
My picture workflow is as follows:
- Take picture with canon 5DII in RAW
- ACR fix color, exposure, crop, etc., save as JPG quality 10, sRGB
- Open with Photoshop CS4 (yes I'm stuck in 2009)
- Change image size to XXXX x YYYY
- Save as JPG

As far as I know I'm not doing anything weird - they're 8-bit/channel JPGs, standard color space, and they work fine on other forums.

Send me one and I'll try it from here and see what happens.

[email protected]
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 23, 2011, 04:26:48 PM
Send me one and I'll try it from here and see what happens.

[email protected]
Email sent.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 04:31:51 PM
Email sent.

and

"Your attachment has failed security checks and cannot be uploaded. Please consult the forum administrator"
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 23, 2011, 04:33:43 PM
and

"Your attachment has failed security checks and cannot be uploaded. Please consult the forum administrator"
I'm at least glad it's not personal.  :) 

Any forum administrators who would be interested in troubleshooting with my image are welcome to contact me.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 04:34:37 PM
and

"Your attachment has failed security checks and cannot be uploaded. Please consult the forum administrator"

Open in Corel photo paint and save to new name....
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 04:39:56 PM
I'm at least glad it's not personal.  :) 

Any forum administrators who would be interested in troubleshooting with my image are welcome to contact me.

Contact:

Ernie Black

He's the admin that does the bits and bytes of the forum
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 23, 2011, 04:42:46 PM
Just trying to help!
I believe you have - I'm not sure if somehow you interpreted my response as not being grateful - I was saying that I was glad it wasn't something to do with my user profile, and that I'm willing to help test with forum admins if they want to.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: g'bye, Dick Rees on November 23, 2011, 04:43:45 PM
I believe you have - I'm not sure if somehow you interpreted my response as not being grateful - I was saying that I was glad it wasn't something to do with my user profile, and that I'm willing to help test with forum admins if they want to.

I posted a link to this thread in the Bugs & Comments for Ernie.....
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Steve Hurt on November 23, 2011, 04:45:36 PM
I posted a link to this thread in the Bugs & Comments for Ernie.....

You beat me to it!  I was editing my post to say "call ernie"
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Ernie Black on November 29, 2011, 11:33:12 AM
You beat me to it!  I was editing my post to say "call ernie"

I can't tell from the discussion above what the problem is or might be. Perhaps, TJ, you could send me ([email protected]) the photo you tried to post so I can test the process with your original image.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 29, 2011, 12:03:45 PM
I can't tell from the discussion above what the problem is or might be. Perhaps, TJ, you could send me ([email protected]) the photo you tried to post so I can test the process with your original image.
Email with picture sent.  Thanks for looking into this.
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Ernie Black on November 29, 2011, 03:24:17 PM
Email with picture sent.  Thanks for looking into this.

OK, I don't know why the original photo generated the error msg, but that's also what I got when I attempted to post it. I then opened it in Photoshop (CS4, I'm skipping CS5 lol) and Saved for Web, which actually yielded a slightly larger filesize (93.8Kb rather than 86.8 ), but this file uploaded properly with no error msg. In Photoshop, the only difference that I see is that the original shows as ( RGB/8 )* while the resaved copy shows as ( RGB/8 )#. I know this has somewhat to do with color space, but beyond that I haven't a clue.

Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Tim Padrick on November 30, 2011, 01:31:22 AM
Download IrfanView (and the plug-ins).  You can resize pics, and decrease the resolution to get the file size down (which IME seldom makes a visible difference unless you have your browser blow it back up). 
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: TJ (Tom) Cornish on November 30, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
Download IrfanView (and the plug-ins).  You can resize pics, and decrease the resolution to get the file size down (which IME seldom makes a visible difference unless you have your browser blow it back up).
Tim - I assume you're replying to me, but I guess I'm confused, as the problem I am having is not related to image size or file size - I always resize my pictures to a web-appropriate size.  My gripe is that SMF pukes on whatever the default settings are from Photoshop CS4, something the other forums I'm on can handle without issue.  Ernie has suggested a workaround of "saving for web", which would be my first choice rather than additional software.

Also, I'm confused at your comment - you seem to be indicating a difference between image size and resolution.  Unless you're working in print where you have a target paper output size and stretch or compress an image to fit that, image size and resolution are one and the same.  Did you mean changing the compression settings?
Title: Re: I need less lighting!!! I know it sounds odd but please help!
Post by: Tim Padrick on December 04, 2011, 04:17:48 AM
Unless you're working in print where you have a target paper output size and stretch or compress an image to fit that, image size and resolution are one and the same.  Did you mean changing the compression settings?

Possibly.

One has the ability to change the picture size by specifying pixels wide x pixels high.

One also has the ability to adjust the "Save quality" - the file size in mb/kb is decreased as the quality is decreased.  Whether this is a form of compression I do not know.