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Title: Conference Sound
Post by: Ian Appleby on August 19, 2011, 09:10:13 am
I'm doing sound for a church Conference. The question is should i use wind screens even tho they dont like them. ? i know it will cut down on the popping..  But they dont like them? Do what the clients wants?

Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Geoff Doane on August 19, 2011, 09:47:18 am
I don't like them either, but there's no better way to stop popping from happening.

If they've already said they don't want them, I'd start off without, and have some ready to put on the mics when the popping gets too intolerable.  Simply rolling off the low end can help, but it can't cure the problem completely, and damages the sound quality in other ways.

GTD
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Ian Appleby on August 19, 2011, 01:45:29 pm
I don't like them either, but there's no better way to stop popping from happening.

If they've already said they don't want them, I'd start off without, and have some ready to put on the mics when the popping gets too intolerable.  Simply rolling off the low end can help, but it can't cure the problem completely, and damages the sound quality in other ways.

GTD



The worst of it is they wanted monitors for the choir. I told  them this is a no no.. I rang it out the best I could to get as much gain as possible.
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Jordan Wolf on August 19, 2011, 02:52:01 pm
The worst of it is they wanted monitors for the choir. I told  them this is a no no...
There's nothing innately wrong with monitors for the choir - it's nice to hear the music you are singing along to if the source is electronic or a fair distance away. 

The mistake most people make is trying to put the choir themselves into the monitors.  If the members of the choir can't hear each other and blend based off of that, there needs to be more leadership from the director in that matter.
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Geoff Doane on August 19, 2011, 03:46:00 pm
There's nothing innately wrong with monitors for the choir - it's nice to hear the music you are singing along to if the source is electronic or a fair distance away. 

Except that usually they want the monitors so loud that's all you can hear in the choir mics.  ::)

I've had fairly good success with the monitors behind the back row of singers (singers on risers).  Sort of a "butt fill" technique.  The bodies tend to cut down on the bleed.

It sounds like you may be dealing with some unreasonable expectations.

GTD
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Ian Appleby on August 20, 2011, 12:02:56 am
Except that usually they want the monitors so loud that's all you can hear in the choir mics.  ::)

I've had fairly good success with the monitors behind the back row of singers (singers on risers).  Sort of a "butt fill" technique.  The bodies tend to cut down on the bleed.

It sounds like you may be dealing with some unreasonable expectations.

GTD

I have no problem putting music into a monitor for them, but they want to here them self. I've tried exposing it to them. I was gonna try side filling ,but a butt fill might be the best solution. I was told im not professional if I can't do it. You just can't win.

ian
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Jordan Wolf on August 20, 2011, 09:22:51 am
I have no problem putting music into a monitor for them, but they want to here them self. I've tried exposing it to them. I was gonna try side filling ,but a butt fill might be the best solution. I was told im not professional if I can't do it. You just can't win.

ian
I think you may just have to do what they want to prove to them that it's not going to work the way they expect it to.

Don't take their ears off, but I say if they ask for more and it causes feedback, let it ring for a little bit.  Tell them that that is the limit to how loud you can get it and that's all there is.

And as far as the "you're not professional if you can't do it" - either ignore it and move on or bring it up to them.  Whatever you do, don't stew over it - it'll just come out in some frustrating area later on.  I, personally, would just let it go because I know the limitations I'm faced with, and they're certainly not my own: they are the system's (and also the ability (or lack thereof) of the talent to interface with it effectively).  We can only do so much with what we're given.  An ad hominem attack is unnecessary and a retort even moreso.
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Jamin Lynch on August 20, 2011, 07:08:42 pm
I'm doing sound for a church Conference. The question is should i use wind screens even tho they dont like them. ? i know it will cut down on the popping..  But they dont like them? Do what the clients wants?

Train them on proper mic technique.
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Ian Appleby on August 21, 2011, 02:44:32 pm
Train them on proper mic technique.

We had a Grammy award winning singer at the conference. He even said that same thing. They didn't listen to him either. Oh wells.. I've decide to ditch the condensers and just place as many dynamic vocal mics on stage as I can. Looks like Shit... but it gives them what they need.
Title: Re: Conference Sound
Post by: Mark Chrysostom on August 21, 2011, 04:28:55 pm
Train them on proper mic technique.

We had a Grammy award winning singer at the conference. He even said that same thing. They didn't listen to him either. Oh wells.. I've decide to ditch the condensers and just place as many dynamic vocal mics on stage as I can. Looks like Shit... but it gives them what they need want.

Fixed it for you.