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Title: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 01, 2017, 05:36:49 PM
Guy's (and gal's) like us tend to acquire plenty of stuff in a life time, and the usual task of finding what you need for a job, for work, or play, or for home repair, can be not only time consuming, but wasteful. Wasteful because if you don't have the tool or part for the job you'll end up buying it again, even knowing you have that part or tool "somewhere".

Enter the northeast, land of the house with a basement, that wonderful world where Mom puts her washer and dryer, and you put everything else.

My basement is sort of a strange shape due to the house being built over 100 years ago. But the walls are concrete, it's pretty good size, and the sound can be as loud as I want.... AS LOUD AS I WANT.

The biggest problem I've had over the years is the constant use of the basement for music/sound, and sharing the basement with my studio/practice area, wood shop, parts, amp repair, and tools. My first decent tool box was from Sears, and it was a gift from my wife 43 years ago. I ran out of space in that box 20 years ago, and then the use of bags, boxes, drawers and any available surface became common practice. Until recently....

My wife decided enough was enough, told me to buy a new tool box, and put the rest of the sh** where it belongs. So I've spent the last month or so cleaning, sorting and putting things away.

The box I bought was a Craftsman, and I bought it after comparing it to Snap-on, and the rest of the quality tool cabinets. The Craftsman is stainless, holds 200lbs per drawer, 2500lbs total, ball bearings, 2 power/USB strips, padded drawers, and BLUE TOOTH locks. Casters are 6"x2" and the box will roll with a single hand fully loaded. By comparison a Snap-on of equal quality was almost three (3) times more expensive, and to be honest, the Craftsman just looks better. Craftsman chests are made in the USA by Waterloo, and this chest cost $1860.00.

The shelves in the picture are made using cardboard part bins available on Amazon, and those shelves you buy for clothes closets, but turned upside down so there's a catch lip. Each shelve cost about $14-$15 to make. Shelves are supported on each end with support in the middle back where it can't be seen.

Benches for audio and guitar work are all maple topped and go for about $400 each.

So that's why everyone needs a basement. Have fun.


Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 01, 2017, 05:42:46 PM
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Post by: Rob Spence on December 01, 2017, 06:03:19 PM
Nice chest Bob. I only have red & gray ones.


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Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Dave Garoutte on December 01, 2017, 07:10:27 PM
Well, this is the Basement forum.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Jeff Bankston on December 01, 2017, 09:49:11 PM
We had a bassman in a house until the bubbles popped

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUepUjDDe4c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkBpcwT8pfk
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Craig Hauber on December 02, 2017, 01:55:40 AM
Guy's (and gal's) like us tend to acquire plenty of stuff in a life time, and the usual task of finding what you need for a job, for work, or play, or for home repair, can be not only time consuming, but wasteful. Wasteful because if you don't have the tool or part for the job you'll end up buying it again, even knowing you have that part or tool "somewhere".

Enter the northeast, land of the house with a basement, that wonderful world where Mom puts her washer and dryer, and you put everything else.

My basement is sort of a strange shape due to the house being built over 100 years ago. But the walls are concrete, it's pretty good size, and the sound can be as loud as I want.... AS LOUD AS I WANT.

...So that's why everyone needs a basement. Have fun.
My problem with basements is that it's really easy to get stuff down the stairs in into them, but the desire to haul stuff back up and out disappears fast.
Resulting in large piles of stuff that will probably still be there when they demolish the building in the future.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Lyle Williams on December 02, 2017, 06:46:48 AM
My problem with basements is that it's really easy to get stuff down the stairs in into them, but the desire to haul stuff back up and out disappears fast.
Resulting in large piles of stuff that will probably still be there when they demolish the building in the future.

Same applies to the basement forum.  :-)
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 02, 2017, 08:46:29 AM
My problem with basements is that it's really easy to get stuff down the stairs in into them, but the desire to haul stuff back up and out disappears fast.
Resulting in large piles of stuff that will probably still be there when they demolish the building in the future.

Unless you have a back door level with the paved walkway that leads to the driveway like I have. Many people have what's known around here as a bulkhead. It still means stairs, but at least it's a direct out to the outside world. My biggest problem is that I live on a hill, a very steep hill, and things tend to want to roll away. Then there's the time I rolled a box truck up too far and ripped out the phone and electrical leading to the house. Another time, another story.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on December 02, 2017, 10:48:52 AM
I've lived with and without basements... you still accumulate crap, just not as out of sight, or damp, without the basement (but in MS everything is damp).

I still have my old gray craftsman tool box with one broken hasp (other one still works and is strong enough to hold the weight of my tools). My older brother passed the broken box down to me when he replaced his with a new bigger (red) one, that looked crazy large to me at the time, but your tool box looks like a small city apartment compared to those.

I have a crawl space under my house and spend as little time messing around down there as possible.

JR 

PS: This is more evidence of how much of a pack rat I am... why replace a tool box that broke over half a century ago, if it still works?
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Brian Bolly on December 02, 2017, 03:32:55 PM
Looks good, Bob.  About enough space for me to drop off another Fender amp or two.   ;)
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 02, 2017, 08:43:57 PM
Looks good, Bob.  About enough space for me to drop off another Fender amp or two.   ;)

Always welcome Brian. Any time night or day as long as I'm home.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Robert Lofgren on December 02, 2017, 09:16:17 PM
I saw behringer gear ;-)
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Scott Holtzman on December 03, 2017, 01:50:12 PM
Always welcome Brian. Any time night or day as long as I'm home.

You shared your basement (and the ashtray, thought you quit)  - You should finally break down and post a pic of your mug so we know what you look like!

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Post by: Ray Aberle on December 03, 2017, 02:11:16 PM
You shared your basement (and the ashtray, thought you quit)  - You should finally break down and post a pic of your mug so we know what you look like!

.................... I thought that was him in his avatar?!?
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Mike Christy on December 03, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
I saw behringer gear ;-)

The "snow storm cave", comes in handy in Jan and Feb, Live concert DVDs w/one Growler and a couple of Triple-8s in this little space is not to bad lol ( now my garage, it's more like Bobs basement...)
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Steve M Smith on December 04, 2017, 03:10:58 AM
I would love a basement.  They are not so common here as they are in the US unfortunately.


Steve.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 04, 2017, 01:07:44 PM
.................... I thought that was him in his avatar?!?

It is.  Scott H is also a cartoon IRL.

Jk, jk.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 04, 2017, 07:49:07 PM
OK, you win, I'm the guy on the far left kneeling.

Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Scott Holtzman on December 05, 2017, 02:07:31 AM
OK, you win, I'm the guy on the far left kneeling.

Love the Connie
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Randy Pence on December 05, 2017, 08:50:57 AM
living in urban apartments, it is a bit more challenging to store stuff, and even more so to make noise, but i much prefer the option to walk to grocery stores, bars, etc
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on December 05, 2017, 10:03:52 AM
OK, you win, I'm the guy on the far left kneeling.
Here's my army picture but you can tell from the color of the boxers that I wasn't in the NAM ( Germany).

JR
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on December 05, 2017, 10:31:10 AM
I have a basement but all the houses around me that have been torn down and had McMansions built in their place can no longer have basements. We are too close to the water, Long Island Sound. During superstorm Sandy the water came up my street and stopped in front of my house and came about 6 feet up our driveway. No water in our basement. Houses not too much closer to the L.I. Sound had their basements completely flooded. I have also been told if I were to make improvements to my house over a certain dollar amount the basement needs to go away.   
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Ned Ward on December 05, 2017, 02:19:20 PM
Bob - this is making me wish I didn't live in Southern CA, where almost no houses have basements. Growing up in NJ, we had a large basement that meant space for our band to rehearse, a full woodshop to learn to make things, and space for a train set on 2 full sheets of plywood. Oh, and a Vermont Castings Defiant wood stove that we used to heat the house one winter - we went through a cord of wood a week, which meant cutting, splitting, and stacking a cord of wood in the basement each week.

Congrats on the Craftsman chest - wish I had the space for it!
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tom Roche on December 05, 2017, 02:33:04 PM
Love the Connie

I think in this case it's "Willie Victor," a Navy/Marines term vs. the USAF term Connie.  The tail number suggests it's specifically the VQ-1 EC-121J Warning Star.

By the way, I love my basement.  I use it for my rehearsal space, storage for most of my drum and sound gear, pool room, naughty play room, family room, etc.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 05, 2017, 04:46:15 PM
I think in this case it's "Willie Victor," a Navy/Marines term vs. the USAF term Connie.  The tail number suggests it's specifically the VQ-1 EC-121J Warning Star.

By the way, I love my basement.  I use it for my rehearsal space, storage for most of my drum and sound gear, pool room, naughty play room, family room, etc.

Tom,
You are 100% correct. There is very little written about the Vietnam days and VQ-1. Everything was secret. The location is Danang Det Bravo, across from the AFB, 100 yards from the tree line. Infamously know as rocket ally.

JR made reference to the color of his skivvies. We wore whatever was dry, if you had something that was dry.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Rob Spence on December 05, 2017, 08:38:23 PM
Thank you for your service. I wasn’t there but I still care.
I didn’t get called. I was A1 from 1968 till I I got 1H at the end of the war. Lots of sleepless night, but not as many as you guys.



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Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on December 05, 2017, 09:20:19 PM
Thank you for your service. I wasn’t there but I still care.
I didn’t get called. I was A1 from 1968 till I I got 1H at the end of the war. Lots of sleepless night, but not as many as you guys.



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Thanks but Bob was in the real sierra....   I was drinking beer in Germany, and 3.2% beer in Kansas that was the harder duty.

I'm glad that soldiers today get much better treatment from the public than we did, back then.

JR

Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Scott Holtzman on December 05, 2017, 11:22:36 PM
Thanks but Bob was in the real sierra....   I was drinking beer in Germany, and 3.2% beer in Kansas that was the harder duty.

I'm glad that soldiers today get much better treatment from the public than we did, back then.

JR

My wife lost her Son to an IED on the Fallujah highway.  He was a member of the 1st infantry.  He left behind two young children and I have to say that the government and private resources have made sure his widow (our daughter in law) is not having to worry.  It's very humbling for all involved.  All the love in the world can't replace a child and I don't pretend to know how my wife feels.

 
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 09, 2017, 11:38:10 PM
Basements are rare here in Reno but I do have a wood shop in my garage with a few Craftsman tool boxes. There are 3 in a row along the woodshop Wall next to an older Husky workbench/toolbox. There is also my old Kennedy box from when I was a machinist at Westinghouse Defense ( now Northrop Grumman) and a few smaller Husky portable boxes. The electric repair bench in the main shop also has a big 3 box Craftsman and a smaller Husky and I’m still out of space for tool storage. 

Terry the dinosaur is currently the shop mascot. He used to be in my back yard in Vegas but I have not installed him yet so he is now in the way in the shop. His full name is Terry Dactle, even though he is not one.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 10, 2017, 05:47:59 AM
That's a great looking and well organized shop Craig. Look's like Terry is getting ready to pull some tools for the job. Tell him I say "Hello". Nothing like having lot's of drawers and bins.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 10, 2017, 07:43:14 PM
Thanks Bob.

I hate having to run to the store and get a fastener to finish a project so I try and stock the most common stuff, but even with all my hardware I’m at Home Depot at least once a week to pickup something I didn’t stock, or replenish my inventory.

Terry did help handing out candy for Halloween (that’s why he is carrying a bucket) but mostly he is just in the way.

I’ll try and get a pic of my table saw and wood storage roller tomorrow. The saw has wheels that can raise up for moving, or set it down on rubber feet for use. It’s got a 50” Vega fence and a custom designed base with a sawdust compartment.

I just ordered another set of wheels from Rockler for my radial arm saw as well.

I have a 3 car garage but my wife parks inside so I have to store everything in one side of the garage. I pull her car out and then I can set up the saws, portable bench or sawhorses and get projects done. This past week I build 3 small trunks that house light bars with 4 small LED cans on each.

I need another garage or two and possibly a basement.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: GenePink on December 10, 2017, 10:44:36 PM
Terry the dinosaur is currently the shop mascot. He used to be in my back yard in Vegas but I have not installed him yet so he is now in the way in the shop. His full name is Terry Dactle, even though he is not one.
Perhaps you should mount a candelabra sized light socket in Terry's nose, find a red spherical bulb in the 40 watt range, thread it in, and have Terry the red nosed Dactle on your front lawn this time of year. ;)

Gene
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: John Fruits on December 11, 2017, 07:07:30 AM
Since pterodactyls have been mentioned, they make me think of a very handy scenic device, the periaktoi (one by itself is a periaktos).  They are popular for school productions taking place in what I call Thingamatoriums (both with and without vomitoriums).  They consist of three flats connected in a triangle, usually on casters.  This allows three painted scenes to be quickly and easily changed.  In the US several users have dubbed them pterodactyls.  In the UK it seems they are called Toblerones or Tobes for short.  If you want to know why, it's a great excuse to have to buy a chocolate bar.  OK, enough blather from me.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: David Morison on December 11, 2017, 10:23:25 AM
Perhaps you should mount a candelabra sized light socket in Terry's nose, find a red spherical bulb in the 40 watt range, thread it in, and have Terry the red nosed Dactle on your front lawn this time of year. ;)

Gene

Guess what tune's now going round & round in my head, thanks to you!
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 11, 2017, 11:04:16 AM
Guess what tune's now going round & round in my head, thanks to you!

It could be worse - you could be the handicapped fellow who was stuck on Disney's "It's a Small World" attraction when the gondola-moving apparatus broke down.  Other riders were removed but because of his disability, Disney workers decided it was safer to leave him in the gondola.  Disney's Animatronic displays (at least at Disneyland) cannot be shut down, so this chap was stuck for almost 4 hours while the ride was repaired.

"It's a small world after all, it's a small world after all......"  for 4 hours?  He sued for mental suffering.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Ron Hebbard on December 11, 2017, 04:01:32 PM
It could be worse - you could be the handicapped fellow who was stuck on Disney's "It's a Small World" attraction when the gondola-moving apparatus broke down.  Other riders were removed but because of his disability, Disney workers decided it was safer to leave him in the gondola.  Disney's Animatronic displays (at least at Disneyland) cannot be shut down, so this chap was stuck for almost 4 hours while the ride was repaired.

"It's a small world after all, it's a small world after all......"  for 4 hours?  He sued for mental suffering.
Tim:  You're bringing back memories of several successive all-nighters in the dual bucket of a zoom boom above a 'Koo-doo' kiosk within an enclosed shopping mall.  Oh how many times I wanted to drop something HEAVY on that darned 'Koo-doo' contraption.  A number of times I seriously considered looking for a breaker panel and hoping for a labelled breaker.  My employer would drop in without warning in the middle of the night and remind me he was paying me to complete his overhead installation, NOT to wander about looking for ways to silence 'Mr. Koo-doo', whatever he was officially called.  I guess 'Mr. Koo-doo' was a good attention-getter for garnering the attention of shoppers bustling by but in the middle of the night in a comparatively silent mall phuquing 'Mr. Koo-doo' was more than mildly annoying and that's putting it mildly.
EDIT:  In Canada "Koo-do"  (Pronounced 'Koo-Doo' is associated with Telus.
Toodleoo!
Ron Hebbard.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Stephen Kirby on December 11, 2017, 05:35:22 PM
Continuing the swerve:  In my youth working in a music store, we had an off-site display set up for selling those cheap organs with the built in rhythm and one finger accompaniment.  Each of us had to put in our time at some mall demoing the things and trying to sell some.  Boring as all get out and folks shopping for clothes or whatever weren't really interested in some cheesy organ.  So we would go down there and try to come up with songs to play and smile for 4 hours.  The folks in surrounding shops would come out and thank us for playing something interesting and complain about one guy who played the same simple tune all day long.  He was actually a good musician, having played drums for Pearl Bailey and others.  He sold way more there than anyone else too.  He explained that when the rest of us played music folks walking by looked at it like a concert, something they couldn't do.  But when he played his insipid Lady of Spain with one finger on each hand, people walking by would think that they could do that, and he'd hook them in.  Poor folks in surrounding shops just had to listen to it all day.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 11, 2017, 06:08:07 PM
Thanks Bob.

I hate having to run to the store and get a fastener to finish a project so I try and stock the most common stuff, but even with all my hardware I’m at Home Depot at least once a week to pickup something I didn’t stock, or replenish my inventory.

Terry did help handing out candy for Halloween (that’s why he is carrying a bucket) but mostly he is just in the way.

I’ll try and get a pic of my table saw and wood storage roller tomorrow. The saw has wheels that can raise up for moving, or set it down on rubber feet for use. It’s got a 50” Vega fence and a custom designed base with a sawdust compartment.

I just ordered another set of wheels from Rockler for my radial arm saw as well.

I have a 3 car garage but my wife parks inside so I have to store everything in one side of the garage. I pull her car out and then I can set up the saws, portable bench or sawhorses and get projects done. This past week I build 3 small trunks that house light bars with 4 small LED cans on each.

I need another garage or two and possibly a basement.

My table saw is a Bosch with that really nice lift under it. I also have a 100% cast iron table mounted DeWalt radial arm saw, and two or three 12" cutoff saws. You can't have enough saws. I spent some time looking for Fender cabinet plans today without much success.

How about the Salvation Army bell ringers??? I always donate, but did you know they're not allowed to stop ringing the GD bell. Nothing like going to your mall and the wife says "I'll meet you outside of Sears." Of course, that's where the bell ringer lives. Kill me....PLEASE.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Scott Holtzman on December 11, 2017, 06:34:41 PM


https://youtu.be/-V5e4F7lIeg
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 12, 2017, 12:06:00 AM
Here is a pic of my mobile saw. It's an older Craftsman with a custom base.  The left side of the base catches the sawdust behind the clean-out door. The saw features upgraded machined pulleys and arbor, anti-vibration linked belt, aftermarket paddle stop switch, new upgraded motor and a 50" Vega fence. The table features a well supported worktop that comes in handy as an additional workstation. I just ordered a router table plate for the wooden top. The saw sports Rockler lift-up workbench wheels so you can roll the saw around or set it down on rubber feet during use.

Behind the saw is my old Craftsman radial arm saw.  I just built a new cabinet for that saw and ordered more Rockler wheels so I can roll it out when needed.

To the right of the saw is my wood storage unit. It is 8' long and a little taller than 4'. It holds full or cut sheets of plywood, 2x4s and scrap wood. On the back side I store a lot of my clamps. It has wheels but normally never moves. I saw a similar home-built unit on Pinterest and copied it.

My wife and I made a deal that she gets to park her car inside the garage so my shop basically lives in the space of about 1/3 of the 3 car garage and I move her car out and position the tools and some portable workbenches as needed for each project. When not in use, the saw lives in between the wood storage unit and my Craftsman tool boxes. There is enough room to get into all the boxes and even use the saw in that position to cut smaller pieces.

In the spring I am building a 10x18 shed that will get a lot of the yard items out of my garage and include a dog washing area for our three pups who seems to find every mud puddle during walks!
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 12, 2017, 12:06:01 PM
Craig,

I'm green with envy. A 3 car garage in a warm part of the country, and best of all some of the nicest best laid out storage and shop tools I've ever seen. Super work Craig and the organization is beyond reproach.

My basement, like I said above, is 100+ years old. Most of it was dirt when I bought the house, some with no foundation, and a giant stone and concrete chimney system on the far end in the middle. That's where I do the majority of my wood working and electronics work. The rest is dedicated to music and sound.

My plan is to take the radial arm saw off of the kitchen cabinet it sits on and make an 8' bench to support the radial saw, one cutoff saw, and a portion to be used for a router table. If I'm clever I can match the fences for those 3 tools so that if I drop the tools, or raise the saws the bench can be used for the tool being used without interference. What say you?
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Craig Leerman on December 12, 2017, 01:47:13 PM
Thanks for the kind words Bob, but don’t get too green as it gets cold up here in Reno.  Frost on the ground last few days.  I had to buy a propane shop heater last week to get the garage warm enough to paint some trunks.

I wish I had a space like you have for music. ( plus you have a way better collection of old Fender amps!) I wanted to kick one of the kids out of their bedroom and turn that into a music room but the family nixed that idea. 😀 

Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on December 12, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
Basement?? I don't have a garage either...   ::)

JR
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 13, 2017, 06:50:45 AM
Basement?? I don't have a garage either...   ::)

JR

No basement, no garage??? How could life be worth living?

Craig,
They eventually grow up and leave. There's always hope. I use 220v electric garage heaters in the basement. I can't wait for Santa, and I have the whole week off.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Steve M Smith on December 13, 2017, 10:34:50 AM
Basement?? I don't have a garage either... 

Same here.  I would like both.  And I certainly wouldn't put a car in a garage.


Steve.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 13, 2017, 03:50:59 PM
No basement, no garage??? How could life be worth living?

Craig,
They eventually grow up and leave. There's always hope. I use 220v electric garage heaters in the basement. I can't wait for Santa, and I have the whole week off.

You have time off?  Slacker...

I have unintended time off this week, 2 event cancellations and now too late to get on one of the Nutcracker crews.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Jonathan Johnson on December 16, 2017, 05:48:39 PM
Same here.  I would like both.  And I certainly wouldn't put a car in a garage.

Ga•rage (noun) — a $20,000 building holding $500 worth of junk while $100,000 of equipment sits in the rain.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Mark Cadwallader on December 16, 2017, 06:20:02 PM
You have time off?  Slacker...

I have unintended time off this week, 2 event cancellations and now too late to get on one of the Nutcracker crews.

One of the Nutcracker crews?  This weekend is the last of three separate (local!) Nutcracker productions. I'm lucky to get the music out of my head by New Years....
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 16, 2017, 08:25:07 PM
One of the Nutcracker crews?  This weekend is the last of three separate (local!) Nutcracker productions. I'm lucky to get the music out of my head by New Years....

Yeah.  We have 3 or 4 productions, 2 of which have IATSE crew.  If my cancellations had come a couple days earlier I would have taken a call.  I'd rather work than not.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Chris Hindle on December 17, 2017, 11:30:39 AM
One of the Nutcracker crews?  This weekend is the last of three separate (local!) Nutcracker productions. I'm lucky to get the music out of my head by New Years....
don't worry Mark. It will all be "fresh and new" next year.  ::)
Chris.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 17, 2017, 01:19:54 PM
don't worry Mark. It will all be "fresh and new" next year.  ::)
Chris.

It takes powerful medication to erase those memories.  :-X
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Chris Hindle on December 17, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
It takes powerful medication to erase those memories.  :-X
Ya, no shit.
And yet, every year "we" regale the world with the same stories....  :o

Again.....

Chris.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: John Fruits on December 17, 2017, 07:28:51 PM
OK guys, quit yer yappin' about your nuts and the crackers thereof.  For real pain talk of those Little Miz Diva shows with all the stage moms who learned all the tricks from watching those Sureality TV shows on the dysfunctional family channel.
Not to get back on track, there is a down side with basements in oil refinery towns.  Where I live they buy up vacant houses and demo them so there is now a parkland buffer between the refinery and the town.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tim McCulloch on December 17, 2017, 09:30:21 PM
OK guys, quit yer yappin' about your nuts and the crackers thereof.  For real pain talk of those Little Miz Diva shows with all the stage moms who learned all the tricks from watching those Sureality TV shows on the dysfunctional family channel.
Not to get back on track, there is a down side with basements in oil refinery towns.  Where I live they buy up vacant houses and demo them so there is now a parkland buffer between the refinery and the town.

One of the cheer/dance/diva events that uses our PAC was so overtaken by Stage Mommies that they moved all tech control to the judges area (where The Dearest Mommies are verboten).  The only good thing about most of these events is the challenge the tracks present for your Instant EQ skills and maybe practicing your mind-reading.

Same PAC, but youth musical theatre company - some of the least-intrusive parents I've witnessed at rehearsals.  Awesome adults that mostly behave as adults and tend to be genuinely helpful.  I wish every youth oriented company was so fortunate.

Obligatory topical tie in:  the PAC has a basement :o.  with a scene shop, stage equipment repair bay, dressing rooms, rehearsal hall, costume shop & laundry, storage... IOW almost like Bob's.  ;)  The upstairs is a little more involved.   ::)

Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Lyle Williams on December 18, 2017, 11:11:10 PM
Basement/subfloor story from today:

I have having a pool put in.  The guys core drilled half way through my concrete slab to install the supports of the glass pool fence.

Each of the holes took about 2 cups of concrete.  Except for the one that they couldn't keep full, which took abiut 10 gal and still wasn't full.

Result = 10 gal concrete all over my power tools stored in the subfloor/basement area.

Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Mark Cadwallader on December 18, 2017, 11:52:12 PM
don't worry Mark. It will all be "fresh and new" next year.  ::)
Chris.

Thanks. My 26th year working one of the productions....  I can pretty much do their pre-show announcement from memory (but I have the script in front of me anyway).
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Tom Bourke on December 19, 2017, 12:48:07 AM
Result = 10 gal concrete all over my power tools
I would be PISSED.  Events like that are what make it so hard for me to trust contractors.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 19, 2017, 09:34:15 PM
Jesus Christ, didn't they at least feel the drill go through when they punched the core. I would be wicked pissed.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Lyle Williams on December 19, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
I found it before it set, so everything got laid out on the grass and hosed down.  39C day, so things got a chance to dry out well.  Fortunately is was stuff with motors but no computers. 
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Ron Hebbard on December 20, 2017, 12:33:29 AM
Jesus Christ, didn't they at least feel the drill go through when they punched the core. I would be wicked pissed.
  A very similar situation.  During the 3rd term of my IBEW construction and maintenance electrician;s apprenticeship, I was working on the total renovation of a local hospital.  We were building 1 brand new 6 story plus basement wing from the bottom up, extending the length of an existing 3 story wing and adding two floors to its height.  Simultaneously we were extending the length of another 3 story wing and adding two more story's plus an HVAC penthouse to its roof.  Once we had most of the above work completed, we totally gutted the remaining original wing including floor slabs, supporting the original exterior walls and rebuilding the entire wing to 6 stories.  This was approximately a three year project.  I spent one term of my five term apprenticeship there, basically the last year of the project. 
NOW TO THE SIMILAR PART:
Four stories above finished grade, a core-drilling sub contractor was working his way across what had been the highest original slab in one of the original 3 story wings drilling holes through the slab for the fitting contractor to route various types of medical gas pipes through.  Like any good core driller working in a semi dust sensitive environment he made a circular mound of sand around where he was drilling and poured about 1/4" of water on the slab.  As his diamond core bit chewed its way into the core he added water to cool his bit, help clear debris and keep dust down in general.  All had been going well, the sub-contractor had been working on this same elevation for several consecutive days.  He was cutting one core when his puddle of water suddenly vanished.  He added more water and it disappeared as fast as he poured it.  Just like the fellow pouring diluted mortar (?) into holes for the glass pool surround, this fellow just kept on pouring water around his core bit. 
In the U.S. I believe you jump from 3 phase 120 / 208 to 3 phase 277 / 480.  Here in Canada our next common commercial voltage is 3 phase 347 / 600.  In a small basement substation room supplying a wing of operating theaters above a wing of obstetrics / delivery rooms, the core-driller's debris laden water was gushing out of a 100 or 200 Amp 600 volt 3 phase fused disconnect switch feeding an operating suite IN OPERATION.  In "operation" in more ways than one.  As a 3rd year electrical apprentice I was about the lowest on the electrical totem pole of command and found myself in a pair of rubber boots above knee level with buckets of dry rags and instructed to open the live fused disconnect and keep it from shorting out until the operation in progress several slabs above was complete. 
When I read of the core driller pouring copious quantities of diluted cement into his hole this experience from my apprenticeship leapt to mind.
Toodleoo!
Ron Hebbard.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Jonathan Johnson on December 20, 2017, 01:17:24 AM
I would love to have a basement. This is why I don't.

The water table is only around 2-4 feet below the surface most of the year, and sometimes we get floods. At least I have a large workshop in the barn, and it's above "most" of the floods, but it's possible to get an exceptional flood that soaks everything.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: Bob Leonard on December 21, 2017, 11:08:58 PM
And this is why I have live in the Northeast my entire life. Very little flooding if any, seldom hear of a forest fire, earthquakes are unheard of, and four (4) great seasons. You live too close to California.

PS, I hope that's not a recent picture.
Title: Re: Why everyone's home should have a basement
Post by: John Roberts {JR} on December 24, 2017, 11:23:42 AM
And this is why I have live in the Northeast my entire life. Very little flooding if any, seldom hear of a forest fire, earthquakes are unheard of, and four (4) great seasons. You live too close to California.

PS, I hope that's not a recent picture.
And it rarely snows in MS, while I may need to move a little further south (it snowed once already this year).

JR