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While the Expression looks quite limited in functionality these days, there's nothing that makes it unusable, as long as you haver sufficient IO, which it sounds like you do.  Any of the other limitations aren't really holding you back for what you're doing in practice - don't get lured into the feature envy!

Use it until it fails on you, at which point, XM32/Wing/SQ are the current options in your budget, from the sounds of it - along with any possible new stuff that appears over time.

Oh, I’m not going to throw it in the trash over this. I do like the console, however a few times wish I had DCA’s or another parametric band of EQ on the channel strip or more busses. All in all, it brings more to the table than any analog console ever could.

Here’s another thought, maybe instead of trying to upgrade my main console, add in a small monitor console so I can free up some of the busses to use as subgroups and additional outputs thus allowing more flexibility that way.

While the Expression looks quite limited in functionality these days, there's nothing that makes it unusable, as long as you haver sufficient IO, which it sounds like you do.  Any of the other limitations aren't really holding you back for what you're doing in practice - don't get lured into the feature envy!

Use it until it fails on you, at which point, XM32/Wing/SQ are the current options in your budget, from the sounds of it - along with any possible new stuff that appears over time.

Sometimes a desk can make a significant difference - but that is usually moving from a sketchily cheap large format analog desk that has not had any maintenance for 1-3 decades to anything digital. 

While I normally run DiGiCo that is due to the snapshot/Macro abilities making it the brand de jour at my place of employment (keeping in mind Avid, Yamaha Rivage, SSL can do similar things).

That being said a lot of the processing I am using is in Waves land rather than DiGiCo - Why? Is it because one sounds inherently better? No.

Some of the tools offered in Waves have better functionality (dessers, dynamic EQ etc) than what is in my console, allowing me to get the result I am looking for more quickly. More importantly it can allow for the layering of compression/dynamic possibilities that are not even possible on a high end desk (well not without doing some creative routing and utilizing several channels for a single source) - however these same Waves tools with a card/host/server are available on most any desk.

When I used to own an A&H GLD I could access the same level of tools via Waves that I am using on DiGiCo - this brings a great amount of parity between products. My processing ability was the same, the difference was that DiGiCo had more inputs, macro capabilities, and more granular snapshot/scenes.

Does Waves mean a better show? No.

Waves is a giant tool box. If you do not know the tools, it will not make you a better craftsman - and even if you are a skilled craftsman an important job site where time is of the essence is not the place to learn a new tool.

Many mix engineers get themselves into trouble with plugins, as most of plugins add a small/medium amount of volume when inserted, and as a louder is perceived as better it seems better - pretty soon there are 8 plugins in the chain and while the source is louder IT IS NOT BETTER.

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For me Waves is more about having a consistent set of tools to achieve the results I am looking for, and those are the tools I would prefer to use - that being said at the end of the day if I cannot make the sources/show sound good with the console/tools in front of me, I need to become a better mix engineer. If an X32 without any extra tools is all I have I will make the most of it, and have the best show I can - same thing if I am on "big boy" desk with a full Waves server.

Waves can be useful for one offs, but extra care needs to be taken as it can quickly become a time/focus/attention suck compared to more important elements such as band communication, cues, and macro mix adjustments - don't miss the macro for the micro. Hint hint: speaker deployment and system linearity are a macro thing. 

When I use Waves for a one off or for an event where mixdown is not a given I will be doing less in it and it will usually just be some plugins inserted as potential tools that will be added in as there is time/need.

.  I've been mixing for almost 50 years so I've kind of tried almost everything at some point, and there is a lot of stuff that sounds good in studio mixing but simply doesn't make enough difference in most live situations to be worth the extra effort, gear, or time.

....and sometimes that studio stuff actually sounds worse when applied to a live mix in the room of the day.

Exactly what I was thinking.  Keep in simple, if the house sounds good and it's a booth issue, then make it a booth solution.

If this is a cancellation node, then it's a crap shoot.

The motor, belt and pulleys look straight out of a VHS VCR and some CD players.
The right sized O rings could work.

If you are just using the subs on stage as a stand it will probably sound better if the stage subs are turned off.

My thoughts exactly a last time I  checked speaker stands are cheaper than subs.

If appearance is an issue a couple of sticks of truss, baseplates and top plates plus a couple of truss warmers (triangular LED lights that fit inside the truss) give a very sophisticated look.

To the OP are you delaying this subs individually? 


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Sanctuary Design
Main seating area is 45ft wide by 39ft deep and level. Balcony is 21ft deep and rises to the back. Sanctuary peak is 20 ft. Front and back walls feature multiple angles making this room one of the best for preserving acoustical energy without slap. When empty, a person in balcony can have a regular conversation with someone on the stage.

What is the height of the ceiling at the wall(s)?
On the main floor, what is the width and depth of the actual seating area?  Unless that is 45' x 39', in which case what are the dimensions of the main room?
In the balcony, how wide is the seating area?  It doesn't look like the seating extends all the way to the side walls.
It looks like there is a small overhang of the balcony.  What is the distance from the first row of balcony seating to the front of the stage?
How wide is the stage?  Or, how wide are the side walls where the current speakers are hung?
What speakers are you currently using? 

Because the tops will sit on the rod directly in them that's why I want to do this.

If you are just using the subs on stage as a stand it will probably sound better if the stage subs are turned off.

What is the purpose of placing them in this configuration? Have you modeled the coverage yet? I don’t see the purpose of the subs up on the stage having the line in front of the stage if properly delayed in an end fire configuration, can be steered to achieve certain coverage goals.


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Because the tops will sit on the rod directly in them that's why I want to do this.