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Title: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on October 30, 2016, 08:07:06 AM
Hi
I play keyboards, run the mixer and operate the lights for my band and
am looking at the most effective and compact option for controlling the lights.
Ideally we'd have a light operator but on small gigs it's not really necessary
and the budget isn't always there to hire someone for larger gigs.

Lights are 2 NJD Spectres and up to 4 ADJ Mega TriPar Profile LEDs.
At the moment I control the Spectres from the handheld SFC-1 RJ45 controller which is far from ideal and the LEDs are standalone on sound active.

I also have a Transcension DC-1224 Scene Setter DMX lighting desk which I'm in the process of programming so it will run all the lights.
It does all I need except fade time programming but I need foot control
for hands free operation.
I'm considering the Yamaha MFC10 as it has midi note capability necessary
for midi control of the Scene Setter but it's adding to more stuff to setup and lug to gigs.

I need foot control for lights anyway whatever I use but looking at more compact alternatives to the lighting desk.
Problem is there seems to be a downside or compromise to the options I've looked at,

Laptop and DMXIS or similar:
This is the way it seems to be going but not sure for band use.
I'd worry about a laptop on stage at gigs and functions.

Lanbox looks like a good idea but could be quite pricey. Also only seems to be available via their website.

DMX foot controller:
Don't think these have programmable speed and fade time plus limited channels.
The ADJ LEDSs have seven which I'd like to use.

Any help appreciated.







 
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Jeff Lelko on October 30, 2016, 08:33:13 AM
Hi Dan,

Have a look at this thread (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,160515.0.html).  This might be exactly what you're looking to do.  Though you'll get a variety of opinions, I'll still say that a software solution will be by far your best bang to buck in this case and will offer you the most growth potential down the road.  I've never had a problem using laptops or iPads on stage at jobs.  I keep a closer eye on the iPad since it's not tethered with any wires, but I don't worry about my laptop walking off.  If you're concerned about durability you can always try a rack-mounted computer or an all-in-one that travels in a road case.  Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on October 30, 2016, 09:28:04 AM
Hi Dan,

Have a look at this thread (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,160515.0.html).  This might be exactly what you're looking to do.  Though you'll get a variety of opinions, I'll still say that a software solution will be by far your best bang to buck in this case and will offer you the most growth potential down the road.  I've never had a problem using laptops or iPads on stage at jobs.  I keep a closer eye on the iPad since it's not tethered with any wires, but I don't worry about my laptop walking off.  If you're concerned about durability you can always try a rack-mounted computer or an all-in-one that travels in a road case.  Hope this helps!

Thanks very much.
The software option looks to be the best for programming, flexibility and keeping things compact.
If I can find a suitable case so that the laptop, DMX/USB interface can be
housed and ready, that would be useful.
I'm thinking maybe a smaller size laptop rather than the regular 15.6"
would be better.
Don't really want to use my own, general use one.
The midi foot controller should work ok with something like the Roland
UM1 USB to midi cable.
Might have to get this setup in stages though as it's over 500 with a basic Windows laptop.

The Yamaha MFC10 midi foot controller would be a good start anyway.

Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Jeff Lelko on October 30, 2016, 03:14:13 PM
I'm a big fan of the software, especially when the job at hand doesn't warrant pulling out my full size console but still needs some nice eye candy and flexibility on the fly.  You'll definitely want to run this on a dedicated computer if possible.  It doesn't have to be high-end, but not serving double duty with one machine will help keep the system reliable and not bogged down doing other things.  In regards to screen size, this all depends on if you use touch screens.  My big board does, and I use dual 23" touch screens with that.  My laptop is a 14" touchscreen.  I wouldn't go any smaller than that if possible to avoid button mashing.  There's also a fair amount of data displayed on these monitors, so it's also a matter of how small of text you can comfortably read without having to truncate the display too much. 

Talking about budget, including a computer, you're probably looking closer to 1000, give or take.  The price tag goes up if you decide to add a dedicated wing as well - definitely worth the expense though if you want a quicker, hands-on approach to programming. 
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: David Buckley on October 30, 2016, 03:50:43 PM
Lanbox looks like a good idea but could be quite pricey. Also only seems to be available via their website.

You've found the right solution.  You stated you are looking for the "most effective and compact option", low cost was not on your list of priorities :)
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on October 30, 2016, 07:05:17 PM
You've found the right solution.  You stated you are looking for the "most effective and compact option", low cost was not on your list of priorities :)

That's true.
We've spent a few thousand upgrading our PA recently but nothing really
on light control.
I need easy setup/operation and minimal footprint as we have a fair amount of PA equipment and the area around my keyboards can get a
bit congested.
I'll check out the Lanbox option.
Thanks.


Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Bob Charest on October 30, 2016, 07:39:35 PM
I did exactly what you're describing using a modified Behringer FCB1010 foot pedal and a LanBox - happy to share with you - either on this thread or via pm.

Best regards,
Bob Charest


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Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Jeff Lelko on October 30, 2016, 09:31:38 PM
I need easy setup/operation and minimal footprint...

Another thing to consider here besides easy setup and operation is ease of programming, or lack thereof.  Some of the software options have a fairly steep learning curve.  Definitely flip through the manual or download a demo if available before buying to make sure it's something you feel comfortable with.  You'll also want to think about how often you need to modify your programs.  If it's not too often or never, a self-contained option might be your best choice.  If you want to have the most options at your fingertips and the most real-time flexibility, software with a touchscreen/wing/MIDI board will be hard to beat, especially for the price range you're shopping in.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on October 31, 2016, 05:48:16 AM
I did exactly what you're describing using a modified Behringer FCB1010 foot pedal and a LanBox - happy to share with you - either on this thread or via pm.

Best regards,
Bob Charest


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Thanks. I have been considering the FC1010 as it looks very good value and has midi note capability. Not sure if it can send more than one note
at a time like the Yamaha can.
This is handy for accessing multiple functions simultaneously on my DMX desk eg. change scene and turn off audio function with one button press.

The Behringer is quite large which is partly the reason that I'm looking at the Yamaha MFC10. It's a pedal width shorter.

Re. the Lanbox. Some info on this would be useful as there's very little
online,no reviews and not many places to buy. PM or here, don't mind.
I take it that the unit (LCX) is programmed via a laptop before a gig and then is used standalone with a controller.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on October 31, 2016, 06:07:17 AM
Another thing to consider here besides easy setup and operation is ease of programming, or lack thereof.  Some of the software options have a fairly steep learning curve.  Definitely flip through the manual or download a demo if available before buying to make sure it's something you feel comfortable with.  You'll also want to think about how often you need to modify your programs.  If it's not too often or never, a self-contained option might be your best choice.  If you want to have the most options at your fingertips and the most real-time flexibility, software with a touchscreen/wing/MIDI board will be hard to beat, especially for the price range you're shopping in.

Thanks for the info.  I don't think I'd need much if any hands on control or ability to tweak at a gig. Once the light controller is programmed it would be a case of switching scenes and chases at the gig.
I wouldn't rule a laptop and DMX interface out though. Looks like a popular
option and as you say, I can try the software first.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Bob Charest on October 31, 2016, 11:37:40 AM
Thanks. I have been considering the FCB1010 as it looks very good value and has midi note capability. Not sure if it can send more than one note at a time like the Yamaha can...
The Behringer is quite large which is partly the reason that I'm looking at the Yamaha MFC10. It's a pedal width shorter.

Re. the Lanbox. Some info on this would be useful as there's very little
online,no reviews and not many places to buy. PM or here, don't mind.
I take it that the unit (LCX) is programmed via a laptop before a gig and then is used standalone with a controller.

Hi Dan,
The size of the FCB1010 is what led me to do the mod to it where I cut off the section that mounts both pedals. I wish now that I'd left one so I could use it to have overall control of brightness as there are times when there's too much light in small spaces. The FCB1010 cannot send more than one event at a time. Another part of my mod was to send power to the FCB1010 down the two unused MIDI leads. That way, the only cable going to the foot controller is the MIDI cable.

You are correct about the Lanbox: One programs it ahead of time then triggers the various scenes - In my case with the FCB1010. Since one of the founders of Lanbox, Fokko van Duin passed away, things appear to have changed a bit at Lanbox. A colleague used the Lanbox for a show implementation, and felt there was a lack of available support when he was trying to diagnose a problem. He has since moved on to another way of controlling his show.

I use the LCM which is no longer made - the LCX is what is available now. I have 10 lighting scenes for our band and (for now) that is adequate. Were I to do this again, with changes in what is possible now, I would certainly consider the Yamaha MFC10 - Looks just right. 

Best regards,
Bob Charest
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on October 31, 2016, 12:59:44 PM

Another part of my mod was to send power to the FCB1010 down the two unused MIDI leads. That way, the only cable going to the foot controller is the MIDI cable.


Good mod. One less thing to plug in.
I was also looking at the Tech 21 Midi Moose as that has battery power option.
Only sends program change though which may be ok for software programs.
MFC10 is external power supply only so will have to get used to that.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: John L Nobile on October 31, 2016, 01:59:35 PM
We used a Lanbox for 5 or 6 years to control 100 cans, 4 movers and a dozen
LED's. Had a lighting guy program it and triggered the cues with midi commands. It worked great.

We've expanded our rig and moved up to a GrandMa on PC so the Lanbox has been gathering dust for a few years. I could probably let you have it for a good price if that's what you wanted.

Gotta warn you that the lighting guys said that it was a pain to program. Main reason that I bought it was that it worked with a Mac and I couldn't find anything else that did.

But it does work and it is quite powerful. I was able to program a few things into it and found it fine once you got to know your way around it. It doesn't seem to be laid out like a "traditional" light board and I'm pretty sure that was the problem the designers had with it. One guy had it figured out pretty quickly and programmed over 800 cues for a 90 minute show. Whichwas a real pain for me cause I had to program 800 midi triggers.

Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: David Buckley on October 31, 2016, 03:27:11 PM
Another part of my mod was to send power to the FCB1010 down the two unused MIDI leads. That way, the only cable going to the foot controller is the MIDI cable.

Rocktron make some nice cables for doing this: a 7 pin to 7 pin (http://www.rocktron.com/rocktron-midi-cable-7-pin.html),   and 5 to 7 Pin with a power jack barrel (http://www.rocktron.com/rocktron-midi-cable-5-to-7-pin.html).
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 01, 2016, 06:13:41 AM
We used a Lanbox for 5 or 6 years to control 100 cans, 4 movers and a dozen
LED's.

That's a lot of lights.
The Lanbox has way more capability than we'd ever need for our 2 Spectres and 4 LEDs but it looks like the the simplest and most compact in terms of equipment on stage.

I notice though that the Lanbox doesn't do sound active standalone and it would need an external unit that can take a mic.
This is to be be expected I guess as it's specialised equipment.

I use this most of the time as it's an easy way to have lights changing in sync with the music. Having read posts on DMXIS, Lanbox and similar setups, there's no mention of needing sound to light so maybe I don't need it.





Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 03, 2016, 08:45:55 AM
That's a lot of lights.
The Lanbox has way more capability than we'd ever need for our 2 Spectres and 4 LEDs but it looks like the the simplest and most compact in terms of equipment on stage.

I notice though that the Lanbox doesn't do sound active standalone and it would need an external unit that can take a mic.
This is to be be expected I guess as it's specialised equipment.

I use this most of the time as it's an easy way to have lights changing in sync with the music. Having read posts on DMXIS, Lanbox and similar setups, there's no mention of needing sound to light so maybe I don't need it.

Well, I'm persevering with my quest to revamp my lighting control and I really think a small laptop and Enttec DMXIS is the way to go.
I've read up about midi control and and it can 'learn' from any midi controller so could assign a button or pitch bend stick on one of my keyboards.
Many users are using it within sequencing software for light sync but we don't use tracks so anything in sync will have to be manual.

The 11" or 13.5" netbook can be in a plastic case together with the DMXIS
USB/DMX interface.
Also there's a lot more info on DMXIS online than Lanbox.
Thanks for the replies and help.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: David Buckley on November 03, 2016, 03:31:52 PM
...really think a small laptop and Enttec DMXIS is the way to go.

DMXIS is a great solution, but where it really scores is when its integrated into your playback also running on the lappie, so the lappie is providing stems of instrumentation and vocals you don't have live, and click to the drummer, and running the lights in perfect sync to the live action.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Jeff Lelko on November 03, 2016, 06:38:54 PM
DMXIS is a great solution, but where it really scores is when its integrated into your playback also running on the lappie, so the lappie is providing stems of instrumentation and vocals you don't have live, and click to the drummer, and running the lights in perfect sync to the live action.

+1  Very few other platforms offer such simple and seamless integration with your music.  Even as a standalone product DMXIS is a nice solution for people that need effective lighting but don't need to / want to deal with a more complex and expensive platform.  I think you made a great decision.  Have fun!
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 03, 2016, 06:46:08 PM
DMXIS is a great solution, but where it really scores is when its integrated into your playback also running on the lappie

Thanks.
Yes, I can see how that would be really effective but what about for live bands not using tracks?
For the last ten years or so, we've just set the NJD Spectres on sound to light from the hand held controller.
It's easy to setup but there's not much else you can do with it when playing.

To achieve sound to light sync, I"d need to take an audio feed maybe from
a spare mix out on our A&H Qu16 or from the drummers submixer.
That's going to need an external audio interface to get audio
into the laptop.





Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: David Buckley on November 04, 2016, 08:00:44 AM
...but what about for live bands not using tracks?

Well........ if you play the tunes the same way every time you play them, then I'd suggest putting the drummer on click, and then you can have a fully scripted lightshow against a live band.

If that's too much, then the next best thing is someone in the band gets to be the person with the footswitch that advances the cuelist every verse and chorus.  When they get it right it can look great, and if they screw up, the you'll get the wrong look, and probably almost no-one outside the band will notice.

Redsound make (or perhaps - made, their website (http://www.redsound.com/) looks a lot lacking at the moment) boxes that convert music to MIDI clock, which can drive chases and the like in time to the music.  I still use a Redsound Voyager for this purpose, a tool from some years ago!   

Youtube video demoing the general idea (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JRpExKYumM).
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 04, 2016, 09:01:11 AM
Well........ if you play the tunes the same way every time you play them, then I'd suggest putting the drummer on click, and then you can have a fully scripted lightshow against a live band.

If that's too much, then the next best thing is someone in the band gets to be the person with the footswitch that advances the cuelist every verse and chorus.  When they get it right it can look great, and if they screw up, the you'll get the wrong look, and probably almost no-one outside the band will notice.

Redsound make (or perhaps - made, their website (http://www.redsound.com/) looks a lot lacking at the moment) boxes that convert music to MIDI clock, which can drive chases and the like in time to the music.  I still use a Redsound Voyager for this purpose, a tool from some years ago!   

Youtube video demoing the general idea (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JRpExKYumM).

Thanks, useful stuff.
The drummer on click is out really. The flexibility of being able to add another round of solos or extend an intro takes priority over the lighting.

The person on the footswitch is me. The others in the band are very untechnical and they just wouldn't able to do it well.
I could try selecting a different static scene on each verse/bridge/chorus
but feel that may get too much with playing two keyboards and adjusting
monitor mixes.

The Redsound device looks pretty clever. If the laptop with a DMXIS interface, a Redsound box and a Roland UM-1 Midi/USB cable all works
without a hitch, it could well replace my Scene Setter.
I'm a little concerned about all the seperate units though. I can visual problems and when time is tight, as is sometimes the case, it needs to be switch on and go.


Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: David Buckley on November 06, 2016, 05:17:23 AM
The person on the footswitch is me. The others in the band are very untechnical and they just wouldn't able to do it well.

Here's a trick for you.  Get the drummer one of those electronic eight-pad things, make the top four pads sound like a crash, and label them as verse / chorus / solo / special or whatever.  Ask the drummer to integrate that crash (or an alternative sound that fits his style) into his work rather than the traditional binlid.  Then you've got the band's rythmist helping out with lighting timing things.  Of course, this assumes you've got PA and monitoring that allows electronic percussion instruments to be a viable part of the gig.  And it also assumes you've got some MIDI and instrument chops, a job that usually falls to the keyboard player :)  Getting the MIDI pad to output one thing and sound like another can be a challenge, a challenge that I've always solved by using an external sound module, that can map any MIDI note to any sound.  Pads with integrated sound generators sometimes can't manage this level of sophistication. 

Once the drummer is in on the party, they will often push for more.  More what?  More everything, more control, more sounds, more, more more.

I could try selecting a different static scene on each verse/bridge/chorus  but feel that may get too much with playing two keyboards and adjusting monitor mixes. .....  I can visual problems and when time is tight, as is sometimes the case, it needs to be switch on and go.

The answer to both of this issues is workload management, before and during the show.  I like the British army proverb, the six P's - Planning and Preparation prevents Piss Poor Performance.  If you get overloaded, the show will suffer, one way or another, and then its stops being fun.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 06, 2016, 08:19:07 AM
Here's a trick for you.  Get the drummer one of those electronic eight-pad things, make the top four pads sound like a crash, and label them as verse / chorus / solo / special or whatever.  Ask the drummer to integrate that crash (or an alternative sound that fits his style) into his work rather than the traditional binlid.  Then you've got the band's rythmist helping out with lighting timing things.  Of course, this assumes you've got PA and monitoring that allows electronic percussion instruments to be a viable part of the gig.  And it also assumes you've got some MIDI and instrument chops, a job that usually falls to the keyboard player :)  Getting the MIDI pad to output one thing and sound like another can be a challenge, a challenge that I've always solved by using an external sound module, that can map any MIDI note to any sound.  Pads with integrated sound generators sometimes can't manage this level of sophistication. 

Great ideas.
We have a Roland SPD20 percussion pad that the drummer's used in the past for timbales, thunder effects etc.. . but it's just one extra bit of gear, so we don't use it.
Not sure what midi info it sends or whether it would work with our Scene Setter (midi note) but that solution wouldn't cost anything.
PA and monitoring is not a problem. That's where all the money's gone.


The answer to both of this issues is workload management, before and during the show.  I like the British army proverb, the six P's - Planning and Preparation prevents Piss Poor Performance.  If you get overloaded, the show will suffer, one way or another, and then its stops being fun.

Very true. Musically we're experienced and well prepared. PA wise, I research, buy, setup and run this.
Lighting is ample but control is very basic- Sound to light, that's it. Blackout if I can reach the SFC1 hand controller in time :(
So, yes I'm certainly overloaded before and during the gig. 
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on November 06, 2016, 03:49:11 PM
I run the lights in my band using DMXIS  and an FCB1010 controller. I programmed 100 scenes, and I have them organized in banks of 10.

1:verse
2:verse
3:chorus
4:chorus
5:solo
6:solo
7:solo
8:end small
9:end medium
10:end big

10 banks of 10 scenes. I set up the 2 "volume" pedals like this. The left volume pedal controls the front lights on the band, so I can bring us into silhouette for effect. The other volume pedal controls the hazer.

http://youtu.be/3uiLBx0XC-U

I now use a pair of ADJ Fog Fury Jetts for a pyro effect. So I've changed the scenes a bit. Now banks 6 and 8 have the lights in the band turned out, for the silhouette effect and the left hand "volume" pedal controls the fog fury Jetts.

http://youtu.be/pzGkdz6LM_E
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Bob Charest on November 06, 2016, 07:03:16 PM
I run the lights in my band using DMXIS  and an FCB1010 controller. I programmed 100 scenes, and I have them organized in banks of 10.

1:verse
2:verse
3:chorus
4:chorus
5:solo
6:solo
7:solo
8:end small
9:end medium
10:end big

10 banks of 10 scenes. I set up the 2 "volume" pedals like this. The left volume pedal controls the front lights on the band, so I can bring us into silhouette for effect. The other volume pedal controls the hazer.

http://youtu.be/3uiLBx0XC-U

I now use a pair of ADJ Fog Fury Jetts for a pyro effect. So I've changed the scenes a bit. Now banks 6 and 8 have the lights in the band turned out, for the silhouette effect and the left hand "volume" pedal controls the fog fury Jetts.

http://youtu.be/pzGkdz6LM_E

Hi Rob,

Sound great! I tried to look at the youtube videos, but they wouldn't load. Clicking on the option to learn more produced the message that youtube couldn't locate the content.

I s there another way to locate the videos? Maybe the band's youtube channel?

Thanks,
Bob Charest
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on November 06, 2016, 08:42:00 PM
Hi Rob,

Sound great! I tried to look at the youtube videos, but they wouldn't load. Clicking on the option to learn more produced the message that youtube couldn't locate the content.

I s there another way to locate the videos? Maybe the band's youtube channel?


Thanks,
Bob Charest

That's strange. It works here. Go to YouTube & search "robare99 wolf cam ch" for the first one, and "robare99 wolf TNT 60th" for the other one. There's tons of videos on my channel. I think over 600
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 07, 2016, 06:22:29 AM
I run the lights in my band using DMXIS  and an FCB1010 controller. I programmed 100 scenes, and I have them organized in banks of 10.

1:verse
2:verse
3:chorus
4:chorus
5:solo
6:solo
7:solo
8:end small
9:end medium
10:end big

10 banks of 10 scenes. I set up the 2 "volume" pedals like this. The left volume pedal controls the front lights on the band, so I can bring us into silhouette for effect. The other volume pedal controls the hazer.

http://youtu.be/3uiLBx0XC-U

I now use a pair of ADJ Fog Fury Jetts for a pyro effect. So I've changed the scenes a bit. Now banks 6 and 8 have the lights in the band turned out, for the silhouette effect and the left hand "volume" pedal controls the fog fury Jetts.

http://youtu.be/pzGkdz6LM_E

Impressive stuff.
YouTube links work fine.
I've been programming scenes and chases into my Scene Setter and then  experimenting by triggering scenes using one of my keyboards.
No good this way for live use though hence foot pedal needed.

There is a problem though with midi note and my Mega TriPar Profiles.

My ADJ  LEDS can be set to anything from 1 channel to 7 channels.
My Transcension Scene Setter is 24 channels so no shortage there.
On channel 7 of the Mega TriPar for instance, various programs are available on the 0-255 range and a scene can be saved.  Sound Active modes are in the 240-255 range.
The Mega TriPar will then work as saved when triggered from the desk.

When triggering the scene via midi note on my keyboard, the Mega TriPar
doesn't respond the same as when triggered from the desk.
It's probably the 7 bit midi to DMX problem.

I'd like to able to make use of the 7 channel mode on the LEDs but it seems like it's not going to work when triggered using midi note from a foot controller (FCB1010 or MFC10).
I'd imagine that these foot controllers are 7 bit only.

This from the DMXIS manual mentions the midi compatibility issue:

'MIDI CC and Note messages have a resolution of 7 bits, (0-127). The resolution of a single DMX channel is 8 bits (0-255). Therefore, if you control DMXIS using MIDI CCs or Notes, you will not get the full resolution available. This could manifest itself as jerky movements of scanners & moving heads, for example.'

I guess with DMXIS, there's no need to use the LED auto modes as it can all be setup in the software.
There is a useful slow colour scroll mode on the Mega TriPar that won't work from midi note.
There's no programmable fade on the Scene Setter so this mode is useful.
Also the Strobing function doesn't trigger the same speed as set. 






Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Bob Charest on November 08, 2016, 09:11:48 AM
That's strange. It works here. Go to YouTube & search "robare99 wolf cam ch" for the first one, and "robare99 wolf TNT 60th" for the other one. There's tons of videos on my channel. I think over 600
Hi Rob - I solved my YouTube problem. Once I tried with Firefox and it worked I knew the problem was local. I usually use IE11, and it was in need of an update for Adobe Flash. That wasn't the message I got though, so it took a bit to figure it out.

Best regards,
Bob
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on November 08, 2016, 02:39:06 PM
Impressive stuff.
YouTube links work fine.
I've been programming scenes and chases into my Scene Setter and then  experimenting by triggering scenes using one of my keyboards.
No good this way for live use though hence foot pedal needed.

There is a problem though with midi note and my Mega TriPar Profiles.

My ADJ  LEDS can be set to anything from 1 channel to 7 channels.
My Transcension Scene Setter is 24 channels so no shortage there.
On channel 7 of the Mega TriPar for instance, various programs are available on the 0-255 range and a scene can be saved.  Sound Active modes are in the 240-255 range.
The Mega TriPar will then work as saved when triggered from the desk.

When triggering the scene via midi note on my keyboard, the Mega TriPar
doesn't respond the same as when triggered from the desk.
It's probably the 7 bit midi to DMX problem.

I'd like to able to make use of the 7 channel mode on the LEDs but it seems like it's not going to work when triggered using midi note from a foot controller (FCB1010 or MFC10).
I'd imagine that these foot controllers are 7 bit only.

This from the DMXIS manual mentions the midi compatibility issue:

'MIDI CC and Note messages have a resolution of 7 bits, (0-127). The resolution of a single DMX channel is 8 bits (0-255). Therefore, if you control DMXIS using MIDI CCs or Notes, you will not get the full resolution available. This could manifest itself as jerky movements of scanners & moving heads, for example.'

I guess with DMXIS, there's no need to use the LED auto modes as it can all be setup in the software.
There is a useful slow colour scroll mode on the Mega TriPar that won't work from midi note.
There's no programmable fade on the Scene Setter so this mode is useful.
Also the Strobing function doesn't trigger the same speed as set.

DMIXS uses oscillators for everything from moving heads to scanners to dimmers to colors etc. The movement with scanners and moving heads has always been smooth. You don't keyframe everything into chases. Instead you start with an oscillator.

Start by setting each mover to a different DMX address that doesn't interfere with the other movers. This way they are all independent. By double clicking the tilt fader it will choose the tilt fader on all of the same labelled fixtures. Then you can make the moving heads all move up and down, in an even sine wave, 20% movement, taking 4 measures, overall beat running at 120bpm.

So that's one channel. Now the heads are all moving up and down together. Using the offset control it will stagger the movement into different patterns. Do the same for the pan slider as well if you want.

It works really well. Same with dimmers etc.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 09, 2016, 04:51:00 PM
DMIXS uses oscillators for everything from moving heads to scanners to dimmers to colors etc. The movement with scanners and moving heads has always been smooth. You don't keyframe everything into chases. Instead you start with an oscillator.

Start by setting each mover to a different DMX address that doesn't interfere with the other movers. This way they are all independent. By double clicking the tilt fader it will choose the tilt fader on all of the same labelled fixtures. Then you can make the moving heads all move up and down, in an even sine wave, 20% movement, taking 4 measures, overall beat running at 120bpm.

So that's one channel. Now the heads are all moving up and down together. Using the offset control it will stagger the movement into different patterns. Do the same for the pan slider as well if you want.

It works really well. Same with dimmers etc.

Thanks.
So with all those lights and movement on the 'TNT' clip, I guess there's no need for sound activated lighting.
We do have 2 moving heads and a Martin Ego 3 but they rarely get taken out
due to transportation and lack of technical help.
Because of this, our lights are pretty much for flood and stage wash use hence the reliance on sound activation.
I probably wouldn't miss it though if I bought the DMXIS bundle and laptop as I could setup some nice colour fades and transitions.
With my Scene Setter, there's no programmable fade.

Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Steve Garris on November 10, 2016, 12:50:59 PM
I run the lights in my band using DMXIS  and an FCB1010 controller. I programmed 100 scenes, and I have them organized in banks of 10.

1:verse
2:verse
3:chorus
4:chorus
5:solo
6:solo
7:solo
8:end small
9:end medium
10:end big

10 banks of 10 scenes. I set up the 2 "volume" pedals like this. The left volume pedal controls the front lights on the band, so I can bring us into silhouette for effect. The other volume pedal controls the hazer.

http://youtu.be/3uiLBx0XC-U

I now use a pair of ADJ Fog Fury Jetts for a pyro effect. So I've changed the scenes a bit. Now banks 6 and 8 have the lights in the band turned out, for the silhouette effect and the left hand "volume" pedal controls the fog fury Jetts.

http://youtu.be/pzGkdz6LM_E

Very nice light show. I love the Spot Duo's and Fury Jetts! You've got a lot of $$ in stage lighting. I'm impressed you have that footswitch operated.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on November 13, 2016, 03:02:35 PM
Thanks.
So with all those lights and movement on the 'TNT' clip, I guess there's no need for sound activated lighting.
We do have 2 moving heads and a Martin Ego 3 but they rarely get taken out
due to transportation and lack of technical help.
Because of this, our lights are pretty much for flood and stage wash use hence the reliance on sound activation.
I probably wouldn't miss it though if I bought the DMXIS bundle and laptop as I could setup some nice colour fades and transitions.
With my Scene Setter, there's no programmable fade.

In all the clips, nothing is sound activated. It's all been preprogrammed ahead of time. Each scene will play all night until I a change it to another programmed scene. I prefer it so everything is working together but not necessarily each fixture doing the exact movement. I prefer a mirror image if anything.

With the wash lights I address them in pairs. That way instead of a left to right chase, the lights will start at the ends and move towards the centre or move the other way. I use 11 wash lights so there's a centre light when using an alternating color scheme.

There's a good chance there's a fixture profile for your movers and if not, there's half decent directions to creating your own profile for the fixture.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on November 13, 2016, 03:52:13 PM
Very nice light show. I love the Spot Duo's and Fury Jetts! You've got a lot of $$ in stage lighting. I'm impressed you have that footswitch operated.

Thanks. My light setup was definitely an evolution and went a lot further from where I started. I really like it, everything plays together nicely.

It all started with a vague idea after I had purchased 4 Chauvet Intimidator 1.0 scanners to get into the moving beam game. I figured some wash lights and some Chauvet 4Plays would be it. Little did I know.

;)

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/robare99/B8324E97-9012-4DC1-B632-46F41E4F26C9-2291-00000319C14B263A.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/robare99/media/B8324E97-9012-4DC1-B632-46F41E4F26C9-2291-00000319C14B263A.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 26, 2016, 06:51:10 AM
In all the clips, nothing is sound activated. It's all been preprogrammed ahead of time. Each scene will play all night until I a change it to another programmed scene. I prefer it so everything is working together but not necessarily each fixture doing the exact movement. I prefer a mirror image if anything.

With the wash lights I address them in pairs. That way instead of a left to right chase, the lights will start at the ends and move towards the centre or move the other way. I use 11 wash lights so there's a centre light when using an alternating color scheme.

There's a good chance there's a fixture profile for your movers and if not, there's half decent directions to creating your own profile for the fixture.

Thanks.
I used the MFC10 foot controller with the Scene Setter at a gig last night
and it works well.
It did involve a bit of pedal dancing though as the Scene Setter programs
don't cancel each other out when changing.
Instead they run either in sequence at the set speed or together in mix mode
so random program change requires switching one off then another on.

I'm not sure whether it's possible to instantly jump from one scene/chase
to another in any order with software or budget controllers.
Seems as though you need to pre-arrange a sequence of programs but I'd like to be able to choose at random.






Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on November 27, 2016, 08:25:23 AM
Thanks.
I used the MFC10 foot controller with the Scene Setter at a gig last night
and it works well.
It did involve a bit of pedal dancing though as the Scene Setter programs
don't cancel each other out when changing.
Instead they run either in sequence at the set speed or together in mix mode
so random program change requires switching one off then another on.

I'm not sure whether it's possible to instantly jump from one scene/chase
to another in any order with software or budget controllers.
Seems as though you need to pre-arrange a sequence of programs but I'd like to be able to choose at random.

I'm able to switch from scene to scene with the DMXIS/FCB1010 combination. I've preprogrammed 100 different scenes per bank. Out of the box, stock, the FCB1010 has bank up, bank down and 10 pedals. It works like this:

Bank 00
01: scene 01 on the DMXIS list
02: scene 02 on the DMXIS list
03: scene 03 on the DMXIS list
04: scene 04 on the DMXIS list
05: scene 05 on the DMXIS list
06: scene 06 on the DMXIS list
07: scene 07 on the DMXIS list
08: scene 08 on the DMXIS list
09: scene 09 on the DMXIS list
10: scene 10 on the DMXIS list

Then when you switch to bank 01 you get the following with pedals 1 - 10

01: scene 11 on the DMXIS list
02: scene 12 on the DMXIS list
03: scene 13 on the DMXIS list
04: scene 14 on the DMXIS list
05: scene 15 on the DMXIS list
06: scene 16 on the DMXIS list
07: scene 17 on the DMXIS list
08: scene 18 on the DMXIS list
09: scene 19 on the DMXIS list
10: scene 20 on the DMXIS list

And so on, and so on. With this you can't build a chase as you go, unless scene one had blue wash lights, then scene 2 had blue wash lights & movers etc. That up to you and how you organize the scenes. I posted up above hoe I organize mine. Another way would be to have 10 scenes all using blue wash lights with variations. Then another all pink etc etc.

Here's my setup, I have the FCB1010 front & Center to control the lights. I have my guitar pedalboard off to the side. As long as I can get to the volume pedal for my leads it's all good.

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/robare99/band/6C3FC96E-9C5B-473D-9D18-8CF534DA37A2_1.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/robare99/media/band/6C3FC96E-9C5B-473D-9D18-8CF534DA37A2_1.jpg.html)

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/robare99/band/CE3C52F4-D8BF-4ADD-8D07-E5DFA47F8E44.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/robare99/media/band/CE3C52F4-D8BF-4ADD-8D07-E5DFA47F8E44.jpg.html)

Mission control in the back:
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/robare99/band/1E9B5FCE-C079-4692-A2F1-203CAA2A3B07.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/robare99/media/band/1E9B5FCE-C079-4692-A2F1-203CAA2A3B07.jpg.html)

Here's a couple more videos. You can see me changing the light scenes with my feet...

http://youtu.be/o9LY13f08EU

http://youtu.be/B7R9pFeKAqk
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Dan Reavey on November 28, 2016, 06:23:35 AM
I'm able to switch from scene to scene with the DMXIS/FCB1010 combination. I've preprogrammed 100 different scenes per bank. Out of the box, stock, the FCB1010 has bank up, bank down and 10 pedals. It works like this:

Bank 00
01: scene 01 on the DMXIS list
02: scene 02 on the DMXIS list
03: scene 03 on the DMXIS list
04: scene 04 on the DMXIS list
05: scene 05 on the DMXIS list
06: scene 06 on the DMXIS list
07: scene 07 on the DMXIS list
08: scene 08 on the DMXIS list
09: scene 09 on the DMXIS list
10: scene 10 on the DMXIS list

Then when you switch to bank 01 you get the following with pedals 1 - 10

01: scene 11 on the DMXIS list
02: scene 12 on the DMXIS list
03: scene 13 on the DMXIS list
04: scene 14 on the DMXIS list
05: scene 15 on the DMXIS list
06: scene 16 on the DMXIS list
07: scene 17 on the DMXIS list
08: scene 18 on the DMXIS list
09: scene 19 on the DMXIS list
10: scene 20 on the DMXIS list

And so on, and so on. With this you can't build a chase as you go, unless scene one had blue wash lights, then scene 2 had blue wash lights & movers etc. That up to you and how you organize the scenes. I posted up above hoe I organize mine. Another way would be to have 10 scenes all using blue wash lights with variations. Then another all pink etc etc.

Here's my setup, I have the FCB1010 front & Center to control the lights. I have my guitar pedalboard off to the side. As long as I can get to the volume pedal for my leads it's all good.

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/robare99/band/6C3FC96E-9C5B-473D-9D18-8CF534DA37A2_1.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/robare99/media/band/6C3FC96E-9C5B-473D-9D18-8CF534DA37A2_1.jpg.html)

(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/robare99/band/CE3C52F4-D8BF-4ADD-8D07-E5DFA47F8E44.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/robare99/media/band/CE3C52F4-D8BF-4ADD-8D07-E5DFA47F8E44.jpg.html)

Mission control in the back:
(http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z398/robare99/band/1E9B5FCE-C079-4692-A2F1-203CAA2A3B07.jpg) (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/robare99/media/band/1E9B5FCE-C079-4692-A2F1-203CAA2A3B07.jpg.html)

Here's a couple more videos. You can see me changing the light scenes with my feet...

http://youtu.be/o9LY13f08EU

http://youtu.be/B7R9pFeKAqk

Thanks. So you effectively have ten versions of this scene list.

1:verse
2:verse
3:chorus
4:chorus
5:solo
6:solo
7:solo
8:end small
9:end medium
10:end big




Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on November 28, 2016, 11:36:52 AM
Thanks. So you effectively have ten versions of this scene list.

1:verse
2:verse
3:chorus
4:chorus
5:solo
6:solo
7:solo
8:end small
9:end medium
10:end big

That's correct. Verses are subdued, chorus a little more full. Some pizazz on the solos and then the big moving finishes
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Callan Browne on December 01, 2016, 06:57:41 AM
That's correct. Verses are subdued, chorus a little more full. Some pizazz on the solos and then the big moving finishes
Hey Rob,
I just got a DMXIS and looking for some inspiration for my presets if you're feeling generous.

Can you share anymore about your setup?
What colors you use, do you mix colors at the same time on different fixture's?
Are you using the sound active mode?
How do you vary the verses and choruses?
Do you match your banks to specific songs, or just keep them rotating?

None of my lights move but I have 12 led pars in total - most of them new to me - and I want to put on a bit of a show to help our band stand out that little bit.
This is also my first time away from an auto/fade mode in the lamps.
Cheers, Callan.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on December 01, 2016, 10:51:02 AM
Hey Rob,
I just got a DMXIS and looking for some inspiration for my presets if you're feeling generous.

Can you share anymore about your setup?
What colors you use, do you mix colors at the same time on different fixture's?
Are you using the sound active mode?
How do you vary the verses and choruses?
Do you match your banks to specific songs, or just keep them rotating?

None of my lights move but I have 12 led pars in total - most of them new to me - and I want to put on a bit of a show to help our band stand out that little bit.
This is also my first time away from an auto/fade mode in the lamps.
Cheers, Callan.

How's it going. We went without movers in one venue because we were told the haze would set off the fire alarms. A couple years later a band from out of town played and smoked the hell out of the place. You couldn't see your hand in front of your face. We knew that we would be fine with our haze after that.

There's quite a bit you can do with the 12 fixtures. Like I mentioned, I always used 11 fixtures instead of 12. That way if I alternated colors, there would be a central fixture instead of 2 fixtures side by side with the same color.

I always addressed my fixture in pairs. This goes back to the old days when I only had 8 channels on my controller and 12 lights at the back. Back then things ran off dimmers and this helped me save channels.

Anyway

I would label them like this. I'll use letters instead of fixture addresses since I don't know the number of channels etc. 

A B C D E F E D C B A

That way both "A" lights act the same, both. "B" lights etc. If you can find the fixture profile in the list, assign that to the first fader on the address for each light. It will name the light and group the correct amount of faders with the correct labelling for the properties of the light. (Red, green, blue, dimmer, strobe, etc)

Then what you can do is double click the dimmer. This will select the dimmer on all the lights at the same time. Set it to full and you can play around with the colors. Choose red for them all, or whatever colors you want. With pairs I liked green & pink, green & blue, etc. After that you can play around with the oscillators. They can be put on the color sliders, dimmer sliders etc etc.

I usually use the sine pattern for the oscillator, as it's nice and smooth up and down. Then you choose the amount you want on the dimmers say. I'll bring it to about 85% where they juuuuuuuust about turn off then get brighter. After that, playing with the offset will give you the different patterns.

You could use the oscillators on the colors to have them alternate colors. By pairing the lights, any chases will start at the outside and work its way in, or the inside to work its way out instead of chasing from left fully across to the right, and vice versa. I like the look.

Here's a few videos with just the wash lights to show what you can do. If you find a nice pattern with the dimmers, you can change the colors and have a whole other scene.

For the record, I'm no light guy. More of a sound guy who had to find a way to do lights.

http://youtu.be/3Hlfh-1lxEA

Here's a bit of a tutorial I made with my old fixtures. Maybe on my days off ill whip up a new tutorial.

http://youtu.be/1gCeoiItfhU

I just have the scene set up basically in that order but not for any specific song. We are so random with our setlists I just choose different scenes on the fly. When we play I control it with a behringer FCB1010, using a Roland UM-One Midi to USB controller. It works quite well out of the box.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Callan Browne on December 01, 2016, 12:35:46 PM
How's it going. We went without movers in one venue because we were told the haze would set off the fire alarms. A couple years later a band from out of town played and smoked the hell out of the place. You couldn't see your hand in front of your face. We knew that we would be fine with our haze after that.

There's quite a bit you can do with the 12 fixtures. Like I mentioned, I always used 11 fixtures instead of 12. That way if I alternated colors, there would be a central fixture instead of 2 fixtures side by side with the same color.

I always addressed my fixture in pairs. This goes back to the old days when I only had 8 channels on my controller and 12 lights at the back. Back then things ran off dimmers and this helped me save channels.

Anyway

I would label them like this. I'll use letters instead of fixture addresses since I don't know the number of channels etc. 

A B C D E F E D C B A

That way both "A" lights act the same, both. "B" lights etc. If you can find the fixture profile in the list, assign that to the first fader on the address for each light. It will name the light and group the correct amount of faders with the correct labelling for the properties of the light. (Red, green, blue, dimmer, strobe, etc)

Then what you can do is double click the dimmer. This will select the dimmer on all the lights at the same time. Set it to full and you can play around with the colors. Choose red for them all, or whatever colors you want. With pairs I liked green & pink, green & blue, etc. After that you can play around with the oscillators. They can be put on the color sliders, dimmer sliders etc etc.

I usually use the sine pattern for the oscillator, as it's nice and smooth up and down. Then you choose the amount you want on the dimmers say. I'll bring it to about 85% where they juuuuuuuust about turn off then get brighter. After that, playing with the offset will give you the different patterns.

You could use the oscillators on the colors to have them alternate colors. By pairing the lights, any chases will start at the outside and work its way in, or the inside to work its way out instead of chasing from left fully across to the right, and vice versa. I like the look.

Here's a few videos with just the wash lights to show what you can do. If you find a nice pattern with the dimmers, you can change the colors and have a whole other scene.

For the record, I'm no light guy. More of a sound guy who had to find a way to do lights.

http://youtu.be/3Hlfh-1lxEA

Here's a bit of a tutorial I made with my old fixtures. Maybe on my days off ill whip up a new tutorial.

http://youtu.be/1gCeoiItfhU

I just have the scene set up basically in that order but not for any specific song. We are so random with our setlists I just choose different scenes on the fly. When we play I control it with a behringer FCB1010, using a Roland UM-One Midi to USB controller. It works quite well out of the box.
that's great, thank you Rob.
I like the first video, it's given me some ideas straight away.

Do you have any lights in front of the band, or only the 11 behind?
My idea was to have 2 x 4bar unit's behind us (one each side of the drums) then 2 small par's on each foh speaker facing across the stage.

My foh has bolt holes for rigging (m10?), which makes for a neat & efficient way to mount them - no extra stands, nothing to trip on, etc.
I'm also about to make up cables to use the Powercon out of foh into the lights mounted on top.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Steve Garris on December 01, 2016, 01:27:49 PM
that's great, thank you Rob.
I like the first video, it's given me some ideas straight away.

Do you have any lights in front of the band, or only the 11 behind?
My idea was to have 2 x 4bar unit's behind us (one each side of the drums) then 2 small par's on each foh speaker facing across the stage.

My foh has bolt holes for rigging (m10?), which makes for a neat & efficient way to mount them - no extra stands, nothing to trip on, etc.
I'm also about to make up cables to use the Powercon out of foh into the lights mounted on top.

I do it similar - always program 1 side of the back-line only and the other side is just "mirrored".

The speaker on a fly point works great as well. I'm still using (2) incandescent pars for my front wash. I turn them off/on with a little plug-in remote. Here's a link to a picture of the Par 56 mounted to a JBL speaker fly point:
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,158464.msg1454892.html#msg1454892
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on December 01, 2016, 02:41:32 PM
that's great, thank you Rob.
I like the first video, it's given me some ideas straight away.

Do you have any lights in front of the band, or only the 11 behind?
My idea was to have 2 x 4bar unit's behind us (one each side of the drums) then 2 small par's on each foh speaker facing across the stage.

My foh has bolt holes for rigging (m10?), which makes for a neat & efficient way to mount them - no extra stands, nothing to trip on, etc.
I'm also about to make up cables to use the Powercon out of foh into the lights mounted on top.

If it's a small place I use one Blizzard hotbox RGBAW per side attached to a flypoint on my FOH speakers. If it's a bigger space with room I'll use a light stand on each side with a T-Bar. Then I use 2 Blizzard Fab5's per side. It works out pretty good.

Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Callan Browne on December 01, 2016, 04:56:57 PM
I do it similar - always program 1 side of the back-line only and the other side is just "mirrored".

The speaker on a fly point works great as well. I'm still using (2) incandescent pars for my front wash. I turn them off/on with a little plug-in remote. Here's a link to a picture of the Par 56 mounted to a JBL speaker fly point:
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,158464.msg1454892.html#msg1454892
Thanks Steve, I'd not seen that thread.
I've been trying the angle of the second led on my speaker at home, it might not work on the shallow stages, but hopefully it'll be ok for most of the shows that need it - time will tell.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Steve Garris on December 02, 2016, 03:47:06 PM
Thanks Steve, I'd not seen that thread.
I've been trying the angle of the second led on my speaker at home, it might not work on the shallow stages, but hopefully it'll be ok for most of the shows that need it - time will tell.

I was going to do something similar, except I will mount the (2) lights to a small bar, that will clamp to one flypoint.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Callan Browne on December 18, 2016, 03:59:26 AM


I run the lights in my band using DMXIS  and an FCB1010 controller. I programmed 100 scenes, and I have them organized in banks of 10.

1:verse
2:verse
3:chorus
4:chorus
5:solo
6:solo
7:solo
8:end small
9:end medium
10:end big

10 banks of 10 scenes.

Hey Rob,
Do you randomly select a different scene for each song, or do you have a method to the ten you have?

So far I'm loving the dmxis and have integrated midi control of both my fractal ax8 and dmxis together.
Single button for solo light scene and amp boost, for example.
I'm Still working out the best way to keep things interesting, but easy to operate.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Jason Fultz on December 18, 2016, 11:54:05 AM

Hey Rob,
Do you randomly select a different scene for each song, or do you have a method to the ten you have?

So far I'm loving the dmxis and have integrated midi control of both my fractal ax8 and dmxis together.
Single button for solo light scene and amp boost, for example.
I'm Still working out the best way to keep things interesting, but easy to operate.

I'm not Rob but I've been using DMXis similarly  for a while now , both with my own band and touring bands.
I like to have a set of scenes set up rather loosely around the song sets we have so we can step through if we want to.
You'll find that making some general scenes and presets works better than trying to do a set per song.
If you're using backing tracks though it's easy to set up midi triggered changes that will flow with the song and change where you want it too.
It's a pretty powerful program that's easy to use.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on December 18, 2016, 02:56:34 PM

Hey Rob,
Do you randomly select a different scene for each song, or do you have a method to the ten you have?

So far I'm loving the dmxis and have integrated midi control of both my fractal ax8 and dmxis together.
Single button for solo light scene and amp boost, for example.
I'm Still working out the best way to keep things interesting, but easy to operate.

Wow no kidding hey. The possibilities are endless with midi. I just tap around different banks during the songs. But no matter what bank I'm in, I know what to expect with the patches laid out that way. I used to use the one volume pedal to control the dimmers for the lights on the band. Now I use it to control my ADJ Fog Fury Jetts. So because of that I've made all 10 scenes in banks 6 and 8 with the lights on the band turned off. I'll use those to bring the band into silhouette.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Callan Browne on December 18, 2016, 05:22:09 PM
Thanks Rob and Jason,
No backing tracks here, just the 4 of us playing what we feel like.
I could see how well this would work with tracks though, but it's not for us.
The possibilities are endless
Ain't that the truth!
I don't really want to have something as big as the FCB1010 on stage with me, but on my pedalboard I have something called an MC6 by MorningStar, which is a small 6 button MIDI controller with LCD screen. On it I have a few banks to get quick access to my various AX8 amp presets.
I've put a slightly old pic of my pedalboard below showing the MC6

I've set up one bank on the MC6 to give me direct access to my 5 main scenes in each bank (with the last button a shortcut back to my 'amps' bank)
Static Colour / Verse / Chorus / Solo (+boost on AX8) / Silhouette.
I can also hold down one button for my blackout scene.

I then use a momentary footswitch directly into the DMXIS hardware.
Single click for random bank, click and hold for the last scene in the bank - which is often something a little flashy. Not full strobe, but lots of things flashing about. Some scenes I use the auto modes in my 4Pars.

Going by this method, I hope to create about 10-20 banks in DMXIS and just randomly cycle through them as needed.
Some songs might just stay on the same bank, but others might move around a bit - all controllable from only a few buttons in front of me.

Our next show isn't for a few weeks, so I'm trying to get it all sorted by then.

It's hopefully going to all work well and be a big step up from a few lights fading through colours all night at their own pace.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on December 19, 2016, 01:00:57 PM
Nice. The FcB1010 world well for me. I'm pretty meat & potatoes when it comes to my pedal board, basically clean, dirty and the volume pedal.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Jason Fultz on December 19, 2016, 10:17:46 PM
Thanks Rob and Jason,
No backing tracks here, just the 4 of us playing what we feel like.
I could see how well this would work with tracks though, but it's not for us.Ain't that the truth!
I don't really want to have something as big as the FCB1010 on stage with me, but on my pedalboard I have something called an MC6 by MorningStar, which is a small 6 button MIDI controller with LCD screen. On it I have a few banks to get quick access to my various AX8 amp presets.
I've put a slightly old pic of my pedalboard below showing the MC6

I've set up one bank on the MC6 to give me direct access to my 5 main scenes in each bank (with the last button a shortcut back to my 'amps' bank)
Static Colour / Verse / Chorus / Solo (+boost on AX8) / Silhouette.
I can also hold down one button for my blackout scene.

I then use a momentary footswitch directly into the DMXIS hardware.
Single click for random bank, click and hold for the last scene in the bank - which is often something a little flashy. Not full strobe, but lots of things flashing about. Some scenes I use the auto modes in my 4Pars.

Going by this method, I hope to create about 10-20 banks in DMXIS and just randomly cycle through them as needed.
Some songs might just stay on the same bank, but others might move around a bit - all controllable from only a few buttons in front of me.

Our next show isn't for a few weeks, so I'm trying to get it all sorted by then.

It's hopefully going to all work well and be a big step up from a few lights fading through colours all night at their own pace.

Very nice. The midi implication from dmxis is great.
How do you like that AX 8? I'm personally torn between it or J Kemper for my guitar rig right now.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Mike Karseboom on December 27, 2016, 01:26:21 AM
Hey Rob - if the venue has fixed front lights do you do any kind of tie in to control them?  Or is that always something that just has to be separate and out of your control?
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Callan Browne on December 27, 2016, 04:27:09 AM
Very nice. The midi implication from dmxis is great.
How do you like that AX 8? I'm personally torn between it or J Kemper for my guitar rig right now.
Hey Jason, I've not used the kempler, but I love my ax8. I started looking for a way to get a silent stage as I looked to move to iem and the ax8 seemed the best for me (AUD means everything is ~twice the price as USD)
I thought nothing would replace my pair of mesa tube amps for pure tone, but oh how wrong I was.
For me, there is no going back now - as long as you have a good way to monitor.

I think either will give you a good sound, but I'm quite happy in camp fractal.
Title: Re: Compact DMX controller for band use
Post by: Rob Gow on December 27, 2016, 07:22:34 AM
Hey Rob - if the venue has fixed front lights do you do any kind of tie in to control them?  Or is that always something that just has to be separate and out of your control?

We just always use our own. That way we have control over them.