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Title: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Rob Spence on March 14, 2016, 05:43:51 PM
I have few events per year where half the battle is routing DMX cable to a few fixtures.

I see more of this coming with wedding season.

What works without breaking the bank?

Thanks


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Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Josh Rawls on March 14, 2016, 05:58:01 PM
I have few events per year where half the battle is routing DMX cable to a few fixtures.

I see more of this coming with wedding season.

What works without breaking the bank?

I just bought the Chauvet D-Fi Stream 6 and a D-Fi Hub. They worked well for me at a distance of 50' with the Stream 6 on my DJ table under a rack front cover and the Hub on the ground in a truss totem. At one point I had about 50 people between the two. I never noticed any issues.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Buckley on March 14, 2016, 06:40:20 PM
I use the el-cheapo Chinese wireless DMX system, available from AliExpress.  I've got a couple of boxes, a couple of XLR pluggy things, and I've built a number of the PCB models into props.

Works just fine, uses 2.4GHz, has seven channels, will trample on WiFi on nearby channels.  Never try to go long distances with it, so something like 50 foot max, which is where I think a lot of folks come unglued. I never try to go long distances with it, so something like 50 foot max, which is where I think a lot of folks who complain about these units come unglued.  The old adage applies, a $5 cable is better than every wireless solution ever invented.

The units themselves are a bit odd; if you feed DMX into them they are a transmitter, if DMX not present they are a receiver.  Big caveat: Lots of Chinese made LED kit has master/.slave modes, and if one of these gets into master mode, it will send data out of it's DMX input.  yes, input.  The input and output XLRs are just wired in parallel to the electronics.  The wireless DMX things, if they receive DMX on their "output" plug, will become transmitters and thus jam your wireless DMX network up.  To be fair, it'll do exactly the same thing on a wired network too, but, just sayin' - there be demons.

Edited to improve clarity of opinion.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Cailen Waddell on March 14, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
I use the American Dj wifly.  Have done up to 200' line of sight with no issues.


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Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Debbie Dunkley on March 14, 2016, 10:22:23 PM
Enttec ODE with same Airport Exress I use for sound and Luminair software for my iPad and phone. Excellent results.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Aaron Ingersoll on March 14, 2016, 10:45:05 PM
My company has several American DJ WiFly Battery units. They work great. We have done over 100' numerous times and the battery has done a 12 hour event easily on a full charge. We connect a clamp and put it at the top of a truss tower when possible. We are planning on buying more this year.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Jerome Casinger on March 16, 2016, 11:27:52 AM
I use the Donner wireless system I bought on Amazon, probably the same as the Ali mention above.  Extremely pleased with it, over a dozen gigs with Zero issues.  I saw where the local circus actually used in in the arena which I was surprised by as well.  Best money I have spent, I have cables for standby but they have not come out once since I went to this setup.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Dave Garoutte on March 16, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
Chauvet DiFi 2.5.
Also their Freedom Par Hex battery uplights.
It's fabulous uplighting a whole hall without any wires!
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Michael Gorecki on March 20, 2016, 02:51:08 PM
Chauvet DJ just updated some lights in the SlimPAR "x" line. To the SlimPAR "x" USB. Which gives the option for their proprietary USB dongle to be plugged in. This receives the wifi from the D-Fi or Flarcon depending on your application. These lights still have DMX I/O so you can DMX out to your non wifi lights.
The FreedomPAR series is completely wireless from AC or DMX and can run up to 20 hours on a single charge if color is unchanged. 8-12 hours if strobing and/or fading.


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Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on March 20, 2016, 11:40:06 PM
I use the el-cheapo Chinese wireless DMX system, available from AliExpress. 

I have one of those systems too.. a single XLR transmitter with 6 XLR receivers all 2.4gHz. I just did an event in a large open exhibition building where the far receivers were at least 100' away and it went flawlessly for the duration of the event.. about 5hrs. There were probably 200ppl in the building at any one time and every single one of them had a cell phone in their hand.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on March 21, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
I have one of those systems too.. a single XLR transmitter with 6 XLR receivers all 2.4gHz. I just did an event in a large open exhibition building where the far receivers were at least 100' away and it went flawlessly for the duration of the event.. about 5hrs. There were probably 200ppl in the building at any one time and every single one of them had a cell phone in their hand.

The Chinese XLR's with the RX/TX built in (they are both the same board) that I have use the 900Mhz ISM band and would not be bothered by cell phone induced wifi chatter.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Nathan Riddle on March 21, 2016, 12:03:16 PM
While perhaps slightly more expensive than Chinese TX/RX units, I've been using the City Theatrical SHoW Baby/5/6 with great success. They give me a bit more confidence in the wireless dmx usage than a comparable Chinese variant. I have looked into the Donner system though for smaller DJ events. Pretty cheap, looks good/reviews. We got the City Theatrical because some of our events are larger and we'd need the extra distance they provide.

http://www.amazon.com/Donner-Wireless-Receiver-Transmitter-Lighting/dp/B00HWM6DCS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458576111&sr=8-1&keywords=dmx+wifi

http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/504823-City-Theatrical-SHoW-Baby-6-Three-Pin ~$200-300 (depending on sale or 5/6 variant)
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Cailen Waddell on March 21, 2016, 12:29:47 PM

While perhaps slightly more expensive than Chinese TX/RX units, I've been using the City Theatrical SHoW Baby/5/6 with great success. They give me a bit more confidence in the wireless dmx usage than a comparable Chinese variant. I have looked into the Donner system though for smaller DJ events. Pretty cheap, looks good/reviews. We got the City Theatrical because some of our events are larger and we'd need the extra distance they provide.

http://www.amazon.com/Donner-Wireless-Receiver-Transmitter-Lighting/dp/B00HWM6DCS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458576111&sr=8-1&keywords=dmx+wifi

http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/504823-City-Theatrical-SHoW-Baby-6-Three-Pin ~$200-300 (depending on sale or 5/6 variant)

I also use the city theatrical system at important gigs and think they work great!


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Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on March 21, 2016, 01:14:41 PM
I have looked into the Donner system though for smaller DJ events. Pretty cheap, looks good/reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/Donner-Wireless-Receiver-Transmitter-Lighting/dp/B00HWM6DCS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1458576111&sr=8-1&keywords=dmx+wifi



Donner is also Chinese made.  Maybe a higher quality (at least costs more), but who knows.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on March 22, 2016, 03:45:58 AM
Donner is also Chinese made.  Maybe a higher quality (at least costs more), but who knows.

The Donner looks the same as all the Chinese knock offs.  Do you mind taking one apart and posting a pic of the board and lets find out if there is any difference?



Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on March 22, 2016, 06:38:41 AM
The Donner looks the same as all the Chinese knock offs.  Do you mind taking one apart and posting a pic of the board and lets find out if there is any difference?

I only know that because of research.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: frank kayser on March 22, 2016, 11:07:42 AM
I bought a triplet of the Blizzard WiCicle units, (newer design w/o antenna and light on the end) and used them with a couple Chauvet fixtures and a Blizzard WiFi DMX Kontrol controller.


As others noted with the Chinese knockoffs, the Blizzard is either a receiver or transmitter based on what it sees.
 
With the Chauvet fixtures, the lowest DMX unit always wanted to be the master - nothing in the lights config to prevent - and the WiCicle transceiver would switch randomly from receive mode to transmit mode and foul up the desired effects.


Granted, I was mixing and matching brands - and it did not work well for me - the entire control system, an expensive mistake.  Probably fine with Blizzard lights that are designed to work with them. I would prefer a means to force the transceiver into trans or receive mode rather than letting it choose.


To be honest, I was not thrilled with the build quality of the WiCicle.


YMMV.


frank



Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on March 22, 2016, 05:52:40 PM
I just received one transmitter and 4 receivers (the newer lighted end ones).  Paid $120 shipped from Cali.  Haven't done a max distance yet, but approx 40' through 4 walls.  No major testing.  Just made color changes and walked to the other end of the house to confirm.  No problems to report, except the power socket is crooked on all of them, but still plugs in.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Rob Spence on March 23, 2016, 12:23:47 AM
I just received one transmitter and 4 receivers (the newer lighted end ones).  Paid $120 shipped from Cali.  Haven't done a max distance yet, but approx 40' through 4 walls.  No major testing.  Just made color changes and walked to the other end of the house to confirm.  No problems to report, except the power socket is crooked on all of them, but still plugs in.

Of what product?


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Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on March 23, 2016, 06:47:47 AM
Of what product?


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Sorry.  The cheap Chinese knock-offs.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Paul G. OBrien on March 23, 2016, 04:59:18 PM
I just did a little experiment with my cheap chinese wireless system, setup 10 pucks and linked them together with a mix of DMX cable and mic cable and put a wireless receiver on the first unit in the chain. With this powered up and the Rx unit sync'd with the transmitter attached to my hardware controller but no scene selected there was random flashing from half of fixtures, some were sitting on a static color, some were blacked out with "slave" showing on the display. But as soon as a DMX terminator was installed on the last fixture they all blacked out and the displays showed the DMX address they were programmed with. And when running a program they all followed it flawlessly. In the past I have run hardwired lighting systems over some pretty good lengths of mic cable including down a 150ft snake and had no problem even without a terminator, but it would seem a terminator is not optional with these wireless systems.

I do have an issue with the system though, I have four 1m Tri LED bars that the wireless system does not work with at all, I get no response from the fixtures and there is no indication in the display that they are even receiving a DMX signal. The fixtures do work when hardwired to the controller however so something is going on, I put a scope on one of the Rx units and noticed there is no signal on Pin2 unlike the controller which has signals on both pins 2 and 3, and the hardware controller also produces more p-p voltage at the output than the wireless units, so I don't know if it's the absence of the differential signal on pin2 or the lower voltage level that is a problem for these fixtures. Anyway.. just figured I'd share what I found.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on March 23, 2016, 07:52:39 PM
I also did a follow-up test with my Chinese wireless.  Only one receiver on one light.  At 150' (and through a glass bay window) I had no problems.  At 170'  signal would be lost intermittently.   The light and receiver happened to be beyond a slight crown in the yard so the line of sight had earth in the way.  I raised the light and set on a bucket.  Now no problem at 170' (add one wall and a sheet of sheet metal that is my wood heater wall shield).  Added another 25' of extension cord.  So these work to at least 200'  if no significant solids are blocking. 

I didn't expect that.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Chris Jensen on March 23, 2016, 09:15:38 PM
The new ETC Color Source Relay look pretty nice.  They are under $300 or so per unit.  I will be taking ownership of a few in a couple of weeks.  ETC said they are based on the Show DMX by City Theatrical so it is compatible with any of that line.  You can't really beat the name ETC.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on July 03, 2016, 09:44:40 AM
Dragging this one back from the dead...

How do people find the DC plugpack/wallwart mess with these wireless units?

I'm really not attracted by plugpacks, and that is pushing me towards the cheapest of the solutions, the bare PCBs wired into lights.  $10/light.  I'm guessing that the skinny PCBs are the same ones inside the XLR versions.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Steve Garris on July 03, 2016, 08:56:22 PM
Dragging this one back from the dead...

How do people find the DC plugpack/wallwart mess with these wireless units?

I'm really not attracted by plugpacks, and that is pushing me towards the cheapest of the solutions, the bare PCBs wired into lights.  $10/light.  I'm guessing that the skinny PCBs are the same ones inside the XLR versions.

I'm going to give these a try:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0192Y5ZUO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1ZA0LKMGHFMHQ&coliid=I36CN32FUY1FF5&psc=1
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Nanowhite on July 05, 2016, 04:51:05 AM
I have few events per year where half the battle is routing DMX cable to a few fixtures.

I see more of this coming with wedding season.

What works without breaking the bank?

Thanks


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I am doing a tender for a hotel planning to make an LED wall of 30M X 15M, I know LED but not DMX, anything that can share?
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Jamin Lynch on July 05, 2016, 10:54:20 AM
I've been using the ADJ WiFly powered and battery units for a while now. They work great. The batteries last a long time.

I also have the ADJ WiFly WLC16 controller. Runs 8 movers and 8 static RGBA wash lights. Really simple set up.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on July 06, 2016, 06:39:58 PM
I'm going to give these a try:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0192Y5ZUO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1ZA0LKMGHFMHQ&coliid=I36CN32FUY1FF5&psc=1

These are the ones I have ordered:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-DMX512-PCB-Modules-Board-LED-Controller-Transmitter-Receiver-E3-001-/171373503619?hash=item27e6a82483:g:yBQAAOSwEK9TsUTX

I'm just trying to avoid the plug-pack jungle.

It'll be about a month before they are here and fitted into my lights.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 06, 2016, 07:11:35 PM
These are the ones I have ordered:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-DMX512-PCB-Modules-Board-LED-Controller-Transmitter-Receiver-E3-001-/171373503619?hash=item27e6a82483:g:yBQAAOSwEK9TsUTX

I'm just trying to avoid the plug-pack jungle.

It'll be about a month before they are here and fitted into my lights.

I have had very good luck with that board.  It must be so narrow in never seems to get stepped on by the wifi.

The only caveat is you will note it's a RX and a TX.  If you send it data it will talk.  It took me a little while to figure this out.  The key is if you flip through the menu and the fixture sends a blip of data the board will switch to TX mode.  It is important that you leave the fixture in DMX512 mode.


If I had to do it all over again I would put a reset push button that reset the radio and interrupted the data.  Also if you put a pair of diodes in series with the data lines that would keep them from receiving any data.

Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on July 06, 2016, 10:33:21 PM
I was planning to install a switch on the data lines to allow the board to be isolated from the XLR/wired-DMX.  It might be better just to use the switch to control power to the board.

Now that I've thought about it a bit more, another plugpack-free option might have been to use the xlr-dongles but run a little DC power cable out from inside each light case.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 07, 2016, 02:13:17 AM
I was planning to install a switch on the data lines to allow the board to be isolated from the XLR/wired-DMX.  It might be better just to use the switch to control power to the board.

Now that I've thought about it a bit more, another plugpack-free option might have been to use the xlr-dongles but run a little DC power cable out from inside each light case.

The XLR dongles seem a little clumsier to me and they are awful heavy, especially if the fixture has inexpensive XLR's that will get loose after awhile.

When the fixtures stop responding to commands it is important to know what is going on and quickly respond to it.  It is not for the techs I send 4 bars out with but most guys get it.  I equipped 4 fixtures to start.  I use one to drive a bar of 4 or 6. 

The XLR dongles interoperate so I use those for movers on totems or stage floor or any isolated fixture.  I love plopping down my Magic (an earlier version of the Show Designer) on a high top in a club with an iPad for the mix and one for effects.  It's perfect for these scenarios.  I will be loading trucks after work tomorrow and will take a few pictures.  I think I have pictures of the work inside too.

Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on July 07, 2016, 07:52:22 AM
These are the ones I have ordered:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wireless-DMX512-PCB-Modules-Board-LED-Controller-Transmitter-Receiver-E3-001-/171373503619?hash=item27e6a82483:g:yBQAAOSwEK9TsUTX

I'm just trying to avoid the plug-pack jungle.

It'll be about a month before they are here and fitted into my lights.

So that I understand... you are not connecting to "A" light directly, but rather building a receiving port for a group of lights.  The port is connected to the light(s) via a cable length to suite your set-up?

The unit you are buying appears to not have a power supply, or an XLR dongle or connector.  Is that correct?  The picture of the 1-pc dongle confuses matters when the "includes" list says "1 pcs".
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 07, 2016, 11:38:49 AM
So that I understand... you are not connecting to "A" light directly, but rather building a receiving port for a group of lights.  The port is connected to the light(s) via a cable length to suite your set-up?

The unit you are buying appears to not have a power supply, or an XLR dongle or connector.  Is that correct?  The picture of the 1-pc dongle confuses matters when the "includes" list says "1 pcs".

No, the board is installed in the first light in the chain, then cables from that point.  Logical groupings are used, so one fixture on each truss or T-Bar is wireless.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on July 07, 2016, 03:09:08 PM
No, the board is installed in the first light in the chain, then cables from that point.  Logical groupings are used, so one fixture on each truss or T-Bar is wireless.

So does that mean that 5vdc is available standard in most lights, or does a power supply have to be installed as well?
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Buckley on July 07, 2016, 09:40:16 PM
So does that mean that 5vdc is available standard in most lights, or does a power supply have to be installed as well?
Many moving lights have a standard 5V/12V dual output PSU in them.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on July 08, 2016, 01:10:54 AM
Many moving lights have a standard 5V/12V dual output PSU in them.

Since the lights are controlled by TTL logic one can assume that a +5V rail will be present.

You need to be careful where you pluck the voltage from.  You need to take it from a supply rail.   You can't just grab it from anywhere, with TTL logic you are going to measure 5V all over the circuit.

Usually the power supply is a discrete board so you can just follow the land from the interconnect of the PS board to the logic board and find a good pick point.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on July 22, 2016, 11:35:55 PM
Got the little PCBs.  They work well.

Having thought through things a bit more, I'm going to build half a dozen into separate enclosures with internal power supplies, DMX in/out and IEC in/out.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Rob Spence on July 23, 2016, 02:22:16 PM
I was thinking of getting some too. I was thinking of putting a little 5v supply in a few of the fixtures with a small connector to the outside and mounting the wireless in a project box and just sticking it to the fixture with Velcro.
That way I haven't added anything that I cannot remove cleanly if I need the fixture serviced.


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Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on July 23, 2016, 05:16:59 PM
My plan (parts are in the mail) is a project box with a velcro loop attached.

IEC power sockets in and out, with a 50cm IEC/IEC out lead left permanently with each box.

3-pin XLR DMX sockets in and out, with a 50cm DMX cable left permanently with each box.

5v/2a switchmode power supply inside the project box, powering wireless DMX board via a momentary off pushbutton switch.

Wireless DMX board mounted in project box with nylon standoffs and screws.

About $35/ea in parts.  Could have been a lot cheaper with captive power and DMX cables run through grommets. 
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on August 12, 2016, 08:53:02 AM
My plan (parts are in the mail) is a project box with a velcro loop attached.

IEC power sockets in and out, with a 50cm IEC/IEC out lead left permanently with each box.

3-pin XLR DMX sockets in and out, with a 50cm DMX cable left permanently with each box.

5v/2a switchmode power supply inside the project box, powering wireless DMX board via a momentary off pushbutton switch.

Wireless DMX board mounted in project box with nylon standoffs and screws.

About $35/ea in parts.  Could have been a lot cheaper with captive power and DMX cables run through grommets.

Built and tested.

Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Steve Garris on August 12, 2016, 01:05:24 PM
I'm going to give these a try:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0192Y5ZUO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1ZA0LKMGHFMHQ&coliid=I36CN32FUY1FF5&psc=1

I received these yesterday and they work flawlessly! A 2 hour charge will provide 8 hours of use. There is a charger required at the board (transmitter), but the receivers are all battery powered - rechargeable.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on August 13, 2016, 05:18:10 AM
IEC-out turned out to be a less useful feature than I expected.  In many cases the wireless box can just be powered at the end of a daisy-chain of lights.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: ivan arnerich on August 19, 2016, 09:34:23 AM
sorry for the dredge, but there really doesn't seem to be a lot of chatter (that I can find) about the ins and outs of these. I bought some of these boards. wired a couple up and got tx rx happening nicely on the LED indication, but the lights don't pass the dmx.
I'm using cheapo chinese LED quad LED par64 that work perfectly via DMX cable, but when I use the small integrated boards, no dmx passes despite the LED indicating tx and rx being successful.
so then I tried the external wifi ones thinking maybe I'd wired the others wrong but same issue... rx tx indications are good to go, but the slave stays blank.. throw in a DMX cable and it works fine, replace back with the wireless ones.. nothing.

so then I tried the same on some moving head lights I have... and the wireless works here... wat?

is there some different type of DMX for different lights? they're booth standard 3 pin xlr style.. any help gratefully received. I'm way confused
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Olewiler on August 19, 2016, 03:54:06 PM
I received these yesterday and they work flawlessly! A 2 hour charge will provide 8 hours of use. There is a charger required at the board (transmitter), but the receivers are all battery powered - rechargeable.

Steve,  any update? I have been eyeing those up myself.  Still working Ok for you?
Title: Posting Rules
Post by: Mac Kerr on August 19, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
sorry for the dredge I'm way confused

Please go to your profile and change the "Name" field to your real first and last name as required by the posting rules displayed in the header at the top of the section, and in the Site Rules and Suggestions (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,36.0.html) in the Forum Announcements section, and on the registration page when you registered.

Mac
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 19, 2016, 04:47:25 PM
IEC-out turned out to be a less useful feature than I expected.  In many cases the wireless box can just be powered at the end of a daisy-chain of lights.

Steve, I think I chimed in on Lyle's initial thread.  I bought a box full of the same boards from China.  I built them into bud boxes, into fixtures and have the XLR version.

I think the data rate of DMX is so slow that they can take a boat load of adjacent channel interference.  I have had useless wifi and those ISM radio just keep chugging along.

Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: ivan arnerich on August 19, 2016, 04:59:32 PM
Please go to your profile and change the "Name" field to your real first and last name as required by the posting rules displayed in the header at the top of the section, and in the Site Rules and Suggestions (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,36.0.html) in the Forum Announcements section, and on the registration page when you registered.

Mac
whoops.. sorry.
shame that the response to the question is an infringement rather than advice on my situation though
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on August 20, 2016, 06:30:45 AM
The little wireless boards (and their xlr-enclosed cousins) will flick from receive to transmit if they ever hear an inbound signal on the wired side.  As Scott mentioned in an earlier post, pressing buttons on light fixtures is likely to trigger the transmission of DMX data and force the local wireless unit from receive to transmit.  Power it off then on to make it a receiver again, then don't push buttons on a receiving fixture.

If you are working with the PCBs, make sure that DMX+ and DMX- are not transposed.

The colour coding on the wires didn't exactly match my expected standards, and the pin numbering on the diagram I received was backwards.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 20, 2016, 06:42:19 AM
The little wireless boards (and their xlr-enclosed cousins) will flick from receive to transmit if they ever hear an inbound signal on the wired side.  As Scott mentioned in an earlier post, pressing buttons on light fixtures is likely to trigger the transmission of DMX data and force the local wireless unit from receive to transmit.  Power it off then on to make it a receiver again, then don't push buttons on a receiving fixture.

If you are working with the PCBs, make sure that DMX+ and DMX- are not transposed.

The colour coding on the wires didn't exactly match my expected standards, and the pin numbering on the diagram I received was backwards.

Agree, documentation was awful.  I got it working then took a picture.

I have been thinking about putting diodes on the data lines to stop the random switch to tx mode.  I can't think of a reason it would not work.

Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: ivan arnerich on August 20, 2016, 05:36:57 PM
for anyone who is interested, I've had it explained to me now.

the issue is that some of the cheap chinese pucks have DMX in and out sockets on them (even has the term "DMX" written on them and in the literature), but it is in fact a proprietary system. so the cables work sweet (copper is copper) but the wireless fails because they are designed to transmit 'true' dmx.. the wireless boards and the external ones are not able to xmit the proprietary protocol.  sucks that they're (the pucks) being sold with false information, but at least I know and can stop chasing the dragon on the gear I have.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on August 20, 2016, 08:56:02 PM
for anyone who is interested, I've had it explained to me now.

the issue is that some of the cheap chinese pucks have DMX in and out sockets on them (even has the term "DMX" written on them and in the literature), but it is in fact a proprietary system. so the cables work sweet (copper is copper) but the wireless fails because they are designed to transmit 'true' dmx.. the wireless boards and the external ones are not able to xmit the proprietary protocol.  sucks that they're (the pucks) being sold with false information, but at least I know and can stop chasing the dragon on the gear I have.

"Chasing the dragon" That's a hard core reference,  no smack for you.

Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Steve Garris on August 22, 2016, 01:43:09 PM
Steve,  any update? I have been eyeing those up myself.  Still working Ok for you?

Other than the initial set up and confirming they work, no updates. I connected them between my Magic 260 and tree of (4) cheap $50 Chinese pars, and they worked just like having a cable. Other reviewers state that these units work perfectly. They have so many good reviews I went with the Donner's over some cheaper lookalikes.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Buckley on August 22, 2016, 05:21:42 PM
"Chasing the dragon" That's a hard core reference,  no smack for you.

This is audio, the only draggin's we should be chasing are the rushin' ones :)

(https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/music-computers/405497d1404295017-midi-clock-mtc-mmc-synchronization-resource-thread-library-008.jpg)
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on August 26, 2016, 06:37:34 AM
The little wireless DMX boards seem to transmit at 2400MHz regardless of what "channel" is set.  This means that the channel changes the modulation, rather than shifts transmissions to different frequencies.

This means that you should stay clear of WLAN channels 1&2 if you are picking a wifi channel and running wireless dmx.

If you are running 40MHz wide channels, then stay clear of channel 3 aka 1+5.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Brian_Henry on September 02, 2016, 01:46:22 AM
I use the Donner wireless system I bought on Amazon, probably the same as the Ali mention above.  Extremely pleased with it, over a dozen gigs with Zero issues.  I saw where the local circus actually used in in the arena which I was surprised by as well.  Best money I have spent, I have cables for standby but they have not come out once since I went to this setup.

We have been using this Donner system as well, by now least 10 shows with no hiccups. We also run wireless IEMs (Sennheiser EW300 G3) and one guitar uses a wireless system (Shure GLX-D) and no interference issues (so far).

Someone also asked about powering them with the DC bricks. My solution so far has been, for each bank of lights sharing one of the wireless receiver, the last light on the 110v chain gets an IEC-to-edison adapter and the DC brick plugs into that. Since that needs to be close to the receiver (wire is only a few feet long), the last light on the 110v chain is the first on the DMX chain. Not super elegant, but works well and minimizes wiring to each bank of lights. Everything zip tied to be neat.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Steve Garris on September 02, 2016, 12:38:35 PM
We have been using this Donner system as well, by now least 10 shows with no hiccups. We also run wireless IEMs (Sennheiser EW300 G3) and one guitar uses a wireless system (Shure GLX-D) and no interference issues (so far).

Someone also asked about powering them with the DC bricks. My solution so far has been, for each bank of lights sharing one of the wireless receiver, the last light on the 110v chain gets an IEC-to-edison adapter and the DC brick plugs into that. Since that needs to be close to the receiver (wire is only a few feet long), the last light on the 110v chain is the first on the DMX chain. Not super elegant, but works well and minimizes wiring to each bank of lights. Everything zip tied to be neat.

Nice! My trees are also pre-wired so that one long IEC will power the tree of 4 lights. The Donner units I purchased are battery powered, but I'm thinking about just wiring up the brick onto the tree so that they're always charged. I'm putting the final touches on my light system, just need more programming time. I plan to post a full review here when it's complete and I have a few videos.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Scott Holtzman on September 06, 2016, 02:36:15 AM
Nice! My trees are also pre-wired so that one long IEC will power the tree of 4 lights. The Donner units I purchased are battery powered, but I'm thinking about just wiring up the brick onto the tree so that they're always charged. I'm putting the final touches on my light system, just need more programming time. I plan to post a full review here when it's complete and I have a few videos.

I just bought the boards and mounted them inside the fixture.  It was easy to find +5v rail in the light.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on September 06, 2016, 09:35:58 AM
The Donner units I purchased are battery powered, but I'm thinking about just wiring up the brick onto the tree so that they're always charged.

Have you any info on the expected battery life?  Not the charge life, but the battery life / cycles.   
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Steve Garris on September 06, 2016, 03:27:56 PM
Have you any info on the expected battery life?  Not the charge life, but the battery life / cycles.

No. I've read that it's a replaceable lithium battery. I'm not yet wanting to disassemble one so I  won't find out until I need one.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Steve Garris on September 19, 2016, 01:07:57 PM
No. I've read that it's a replaceable lithium battery. I'm not yet wanting to disassemble one so I  won't find out until I need one.

UPDATE: I used my new light system for the first time at a club this weekend. The Donner wireless DMX system worked flawlessly, but there was not enough battery power to get me through a long night. I'm going to simply wire them up to a power supply so they will always be charged. I would buy the smaller non-battery powered units if I were to purchase them again.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: David Allred on September 19, 2016, 03:33:06 PM
UPDATE: I used my new light system for the first time at a club this weekend. The Donner wireless DMX system worked flawlessly, but there was not enough battery power to get me through a long night.

How many hours before they gave out?
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Steve Garris on September 20, 2016, 03:24:53 PM
How many hours before they gave out?

Here's what happened. I used the system Friday night and it worked fine all night 9pm to 1 am, but I left the receivers on overnight.

I retrieved them earlier on Saturday and took them home to charge. The manual states 2 hours to fully charge which seems about right (the light stops blinking when it's fully charged). Saturday's show was very unusual, where the band first played from 5-7:30, then returned to the stage for a 9:30 to 1 am show. I lost one tree at about 11 pm and the other at about midnight (I had a spare ready to go). So at best I got exactly 8 hours out of the receiver.

I'm just going to wire up a charger to each tree and be done with it. If I were buying them today, I would get the non-battery units which are smaller.
Title: Re: Wireless DMX choices for lounge level budgets?
Post by: Lyle Williams on September 20, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
Mine have been breeding...