Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 01:08 |
The console arrives as a control surface with touchscreen and some local I/O, as well as a rack that contains all the "stage" I/O and the mixing brains, plus two power supplies. |
Bennett Prescott wrote on Fri, 26 September 2008 00:29 |
...I also managed to clip some of the internal processing. That just shouldn't be... once I get the signal in, I should be able to beat it up however I please as long as I bring it back down so I don't clip my analog output on its way out of the desk... |
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 09:37 |
That's a great idea! Which digital consoles currently implement it? The A&H iLive isn't unusual in this respect. Of course, the idea would only be practical in the digital realm. Allowing the user to boost every band of EQ like crazy (for instance) in the analog realm while staying within channel headroom limitations would take far too much circuitry. -Bink |
drewgandy wrote on Fri, 03 October 2008 00:32 |
Do I read the specs correctly that the "stage" rack weighs 93 lbs empty and the actual working pieces in the rack weigh 57 lbs? It looks to be a shock rack but isn't that a bit heavy for a 9 space rack? |
Bennett Prescott wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 13:09 |
Nothing struck me as particularly heavy (both pieces in cases are an easy two man lift), but the stage rack does appear to have some sort of metal framework (steel? Aluminum?) surrounding it that could add some weight, said framework also appears to hold the rack rails. |
Michael 'Bink' Knowles wrote on Mon, 06 October 2008 09:37 |
I am inclined to just stop boosting when saturation occurs, but this could prevent some EQ for effect (?), and you wouldn't want it to go back and un-tweak your EQ settings. Most of my though was done in the context of a recording environment so I was thinking of a global lock after controls were set and tested for expected levels. A saturation detector with long hold time advised you if you hit the wall during a take. The future hasn't happened yet so who knows, not me. YMMV JR |
Post by: Peter Morris on October 23, 2008, 08:36:40 PM I had an opportunity to watch a bunch of audio engineering students try to operate an iLive for the first time. After that I reconfigured the console so that all of the Aux and EFX sends are on the Vpots. I like this much better than the fader flip, and for a first time user it’s the way to go. I think AH should make this the default setting. I put the L & R masters so they appear on every layer – It’s not really necessary but you can now see them no matter where you are - it seems to make people feel a little safer. It now “drives” just like analogue console for FOH or Monitors - very simple and logical. To further simplify things I “fixed” the EFX return level and removed the return fade. The channel send is on the V pot and there appears to be only one EFX master on the fader. (There may be some issues with this approach if you are using groups instead of DCA’s – turn the group off and you will still have efx) Peter Post by: Ryan Garnett on October 24, 2008, 10:58:40 AM Post by: John Roberts {JR} on October 24, 2008, 12:01:16 PM
It took me a while to find what post you were responding to.. Yes, inside the digital domain you can add more bits with each extra bit doubling the dynamic range, or use floating point math where you have a fixed resolution and scale that up or down for near infinite headroom. More useful for real time live use to apply limiting or clip at the point of overload, relative to full scale. It is appropriate and useful to build in some digital headroom for processes that need it, but in some ways this problem is the same as in analog consoles. You headroom is ultimately defined by the output. While I guess you can always do worse than that. ------ In response to Bennet's specific complaint.. I see two possible mitigations. If there are some extra artifacts being generated beyond simple clipping, Some effects can have have math headroom issues. it seems software tweaks should be able to improve that. Regarding the problem of having to page through multiple layers to find the offending control, one idea I had a long time ago was to have the control surface snap to the channel or layer when it detects audibly significant overload. This feature might be distracting to some, so should be user optional. I never ended up pursuing that project so there may be practical problems with just adding this to a finished hardware implementation. One very powerful benefit about operating in the digital domain is the ability to incorporate nonlinear decision making to help us much slower humans. JR Post by: Dylan Shepherd on October 29, 2008, 07:14:21 AM
Hey Toby, Good to see you around! Are you still doing IEM/Monitors for Jimmy Barnes? Think last time i saw you was over here at an outdoor fest on the central coast ?? Post by: Thomas Mikarlsen on October 29, 2008, 08:44:18 PM
We had our iLive delivered with the same kind of flimsy wheel locks. A&H were happy to supply us with decent ones free of charge. The cases are excellent, they will last a lifetime. Post by: gordon mcgregor on December 07, 2008, 06:47:19 PM Overall it seems a good system and at least with the small console it would be no problem to move single handed as long as there aren't too many stairs, though I do wonder what the SD8 is going to do to its market. One question is it possible to delay the local monitor output as the desk is stuck away in a really awkward position largely out of the sound field of the speakers and I was thinking of tsking in some near field speakers, running the system by laptop isn't an option just now as there are several cd track playing cues most services and a recorder needs to be started for the preach Post by: Mike Palmer on December 09, 2008, 04:14:46 PM Under PFL there is a Delay tab, you can choose between feet (with temp compensation) MS or Meters. If when you have an AUX or an FX selected, if you push the routing button under the touch screen. you will see a Routing view for the Aux or the FX whichever you have selected, on the right hand side of the touch screen there is a touch button called "mix on rotaries" if you press that (per FX or PER AUX) it will put the Aux Mix or the FX mix on the rotary encoders above each channel, instead of the send being on the faders. My preference is to put Aux's send on faders and FX sends on rotaries, but that is just my preference. Feel free to contact myself or Dave Lewty at the office Dave is our iLive Product Specialist/sales manager his email is Post by: gordon mcgregor on December 09, 2008, 07:13:49 PM Post by: Toby Mills on December 22, 2008, 05:45:12 PM having now road tested the I-Live and the Profile. Which was your favourite. |