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I’ve been using a full size M32 for several years now. I’m looking to get a new mixer and I’m looking for opinions for either staying with the M32 or going for something different. I don’t need rider friendly. The M32 does what I need it to, but if there are options with more to offer, better support, longevity, features, road worthy, repair friendly, etc., I’m open for suggestions. Just trying to stay in the “prosumer” budget area. The A&H SQ-7 looks like it has a lot to offer. Any/all suggestions are welcome.
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Did you checked Wing?
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Best is up to you. I can say that moving from M32 to A&H SQ-5 has been fully worthwhile. I use the extra channels and buses all the time. Making any channels or buses stereo… no eight channel block limits… availability of dynamic EQ as an add on… it’s a more complete and flexible mixer. It was an upgrade for me.
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Right now, the A&H SQ series is in my opinion right up front. Simple to operate, sounds great, and can be as simple or complex as you want to use. I've worked with the Wing a couple of times, and has a lot of things to play with, many of which you would never need or use; and you can still get lost in the set-up, routing, etc....just more things to unknowingly screw up. Worked with the M32/X32 a lot over the years, and never got used to lack of touchscreen and some of the menus/button pushes to get where you wanted to go.
Daily driver has been A&H GLD-80 and got one of the first SQ-5's, and have had zero issues.
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I too own an m32 but its the m32r, also played with the SQ 7.
Think the only two real contenders are the Wing and the SQ. Wing would be a practical upgrade assuming you're deep in the MT ecosystem ala stageboxes and ultranet; only issue is no offline editor, no iPad remote control, and vague documentation. SQ is coming up as the new de facto "standard" console that is taking the x32's spot. Support wise is A&H's win, MT support is reported nonexistant along with the shakeup of their dealer network.
IMO other brands (based on console versions, no box mixers):
- Mackie doesn't have a "real" digital mixer aside from the Axis controller for their DL box mixer, I've seen no one that uses this control surface.
- Barely anyone has the Presonus because people were burned out on the first two generations, no Dante only AVB.
- Soundcraft Impact is just a reskinned Expression/Performer.
- QSC TM is hampered by the slow touchscreen and the nonrecallable HA, no expandability.
- Yamaha TF is hampered by the slow touchscreen which is the only way to operate unless you have the desktop editor or iPad app.
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I too own an m32 but its the m32r, also played with the SQ 7.
Think the only two real contenders are the Wing and the SQ. Wing would be a practical upgrade assuming you're deep in the MT ecosystem ala stageboxes and ultranet; only issue is no offline editor, no iPad remote control, and vague documentation. SQ is coming up as the new de facto "standard" console that is taking the x32's spot. Support wise is A&H's win, MT support is reported nonexistant along with the shakeup of their dealer network.
IMO other brands (based on console versions, no box mixers):
- Mackie doesn't have a "real" digital mixer aside from the Axis controller for their DL box mixer, I've seen no one that uses this control surface.
- Barely anyone has the Presonus because people were burned out on the first two generations, no Dante only AVB.
- Soundcraft Impact is just a reskinned Expression/Performer.
- QSC TM is hampered by the slow touchscreen and the nonrecallable HA, no expandability.
- Yamaha TF is hampered by the slow touchscreen which is the only way to operate unless you have the desktop editor or iPad app.
So to verify... A&H SQ does NOT have an offline editor? or iPad control app? ***on the website, it looks like they have "SQ MixPad" for MacOS and Windows and MixPad for iPad.
Also, on the M32 I use LRC; using the C for subs. Does the SQ offer LRC or does it have to be set up as an Aux fed sub?
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I’m not sure what your definition of a prosumer mixer is, but I’ll toss dLive in the mix. Putting together a small C Class rig isn’t all that more costly than the other options discussed so far.
I’m sure prices have gone up a bit, but when I was shopping mixers back in 2018 dLive was the most logical next step beyond the M32 which offered a sufficient increase in capability to compensate for the higher price point. I ended up with an S Class Mixrack for the multiple card options, but in my opinion until you consider something along the lines of a dLive you’re best sticking with an M32. Hope this helps!
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A good overview of entry level consoles can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_TIqH43p05SMNK2qQtkNmi9xU1JlfMvJlSBsXt99niU/edit?usp=sharing
I probably need to update the prices, that has been a while.
But to clarify, both the WING and SQ have a iPad app available. The SQ also has an offline editor, that is not yet available for the WING.
Both are very good options IMHO. If you already have a bunch of AES50 and/or Ultranet gear that is a extra plus for the WING. But you can use the sheet to create a list of things that matter for you and go from there ;)
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So to verify... A&H SQ does NOT have an offline editor? or iPad control app? ***on the website, it looks like they have "SQ MixPad" for MacOS and Windows and MixPad for iPad.
MixPad app does allow you to setup shows in advance, and work offline.
Also, on the M32 I use LRC; using the C for subs. Does the SQ offer LRC or does it have to be set up as an Aux fed sub?
There is no LRC configuration on SQ, you would need to move up to Avantis or dLive to get that. On SQ you would need to use an Aux or a Group for subs.
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So to verify... A&H SQ does NOT have an offline editor? or iPad control app? ***on the website, it looks like they have "SQ MixPad" for MacOS and Windows and MixPad for iPad.
Also, on the M32 I use LRC; using the C for subs. Does the SQ offer LRC or does it have to be set up as an Aux fed sub?
https://youtu.be/ctvm4YaOnK8
https://youtu.be/vEjN_mRg-5A
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- QSC TM is hampered by the slow touchscreen and the nonrecallable HA, no expandability.
Just a quick FWIW that the TM30Pro has a much better touch screen than the TM8/16, but the other things you mention are true. It its favour, though, I like the form factor and workflow very much.
Chris
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Been using the A&H SQ-5 for several years. Also been using the Behringer X-32/ Midas M32 off and on for a few years and before either of these the Soundcraft Expression. The SQ definitely has an iPad app, use it almost every gig, even if just for meters, and I've used the offline editor for macOS a lot. The LRC thing is a thing, but I've easily managed with various combos of aux mixes, groups, or matrixes. Highly recommend adding one or more of the DX expansion/stage boxes. Under typical live conditions for me, say 16 - 32 channels of instruments/voices in a gym, street fair, or hotel ballroom, I'm not sure I could pick either of the 3 1/2 brands out of a line up, but subjectively to me the A&H just seems to have a bit more clarity, a little more response to eq/comp, and a touch more headroom. The A&H DEEP plug-ins from the Dlive system are also a really nice feature along with the RackExtra dynamics and effects.
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The technology has advanced such that I would not expect major sonic differences between sundry value SKUs. I would expect visible differences in features, and invisible differences in support networks.
There will also be differences in marketing budgets invested into polishing the____.
JR
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A good overview of entry level consoles can be found here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_TIqH43p05SMNK2qQtkNmi9xU1JlfMvJlSBsXt99niU/edit?usp=sharing
Tim,
That is a great chart. I own a Performer 2 and I'd like to mention a couple of things. First, USB recording is possible on the Performer family, but it does require either the Madi/USB card or the Multi Digital card to be installed. Perhaps that row in your spreadsheet is meant to indicate if the user can record using the USB port on the console's surface? If that's the case, you might want to consider adding a row for USB playback, which the Performer family can't do either :(
A feature that is present on the X/M32 but missing on my Performer that is very useful is the ability to make crossover filters such as for aux fed subs. I think that might be a feature that is worthy of a row in your spreadsheet for all of the consoles. Just realized that this is already a row in the table.
Another gap, if you will, between my Soundcraft console and the X/Ms from Music Tribe is the frequency and content of firmware updates. The last update for the Performer family was over 2 years ago. Since then MT has released 4.0 and 5 more dot releases for the X/M32 with many new useful features. Not sure if you want to add a "Latest Firmware Release Date" row or not?
There is one feature that the Performer has which isn't present on most other entry level consoles and that is a rotary encoder per channel that can be set to control the head amp gain. Having a gain control for each channel makes soundchecks for quick turnovers a breeze. Not sure how easy that feature would be to represent in your chart though.
OP,
Unless you need 64 inputs in a small frame, I cannot recommend the Soundcraft Performer or Impact. They're way behind the times these days.
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So to verify... A&H SQ does NOT have an offline editor? or iPad control app? ***on the website, it looks like they have "SQ MixPad" for MacOS and Windows and MixPad for iPad.
Also, on the M32 I use LRC; using the C for subs. Does the SQ offer LRC or does it have to be set up as an Aux fed sub?
Just checked: SQ does have the iPad remote control and an offline editor, the WING does have the copilot app but not have an offline editor.
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I really like the WING. I have not had to deal with any repairs so I can’t speak to that. I also use the Midas M32 and really like that but I can do so much more with the WING. But with any digital console the more it can do sometimes the harder it is to understand all of the capabilities. I think the SQ series sounds good and the reverbs for vocals are better than the unmodified ones in the X32/M32 but I have modified the X32/M32 reverbs to sound good on vocals.
I am not a fan of the SQ mixers I had a new one for a while on loan from a sound company that wanted my opinion as to if it would be a good fit for some of their clients. It is WAY MORE confusing to find your way around to set it up the way I wanted. I was trying to find how to do something on it and I finally found it so I went back to doing something else and I then couldn’t find what I had just found again. It was very frustrating to me. And I have worked with a lot of different digital mixers over my career. The touch screen was not very responsive to my touch. I really dislike their channel metering. The Auto mix functionality doesn’t work like it should and regarding that I am VERY experienced with Auto mixers, I know how they are supposed to work. My experience was with the first firmware and I did update it a few times to the latest firmware while I had it. I don’t know if they worked out some of the things that I didn’t like about it. But I know a place with a dLive and I discussed some of my complaints of the SQ when I had it with the dLive operator and he had the same complaints with the dLive. It has been at least a few years now and don’t remember all of the issues. One of them was the Soft keys with no digital labeling next to them of the function they are set to, but there is always board tape, but that doesn’t help if they are set to do different things in different setups it you can even do that.
It depends on what you need out of a mixer and what you can’t do with what you have now as to what will fulfill your needs. I will add to this that there isn’t a digital mixer that exists that I have found that does everything I want in the way that I want or the physical layout is how I want it to be. So I settle for what I use.
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I like the M32, it has the best layout (a physical master section), the best EQ of the small desks (IMHO) and DCA spill makes it fast to move around on.
It's feature and channel limited as the rest of the consoles in the same price range, if I need more I bring a Pro2/Pro6.
Can't comment on the apps since I don't mix on glass.
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Just checked: SQ does have the iPad remote control and an offline editor, the WING does have the copilot app but not have an offline editor.
Also Mixing Station works on the WING.
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Unless you need 64 inputs in a small frame, I cannot recommend the Soundcraft Performer or Impact. They're way behind the times these days.
Unfortunately, I agree.
I love my Performers, but I'm deepish into that ecosystem, so unlikely to change.
It's so disappointing that they haven't put ANY effort into updates.
The Impact is just a weird bastard child from mating a Performer and an Expression.
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I am not a fan of the SQ mixers I had a new one for a while on loan from a sound company that wanted my opinion as to if it would be a good fit for some of their clients. It is WAY MORE confusing to find your way around to set it up the way I wanted.
Glad it wasn't just me.
I ran an SQ5 for a couple of days at a festival. Different band every hour. Mixing was fine, but setting EQs/comps/reverbs in a throw-and-go situation just wasn't happening for me.
The QSCs are much easier to get around, but I have spent a lot of time on them.
Chris
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I’m not sure what your definition of a prosumer mixer is, but I’ll toss dLive in the mix. Putting together a small C Class rig isn’t all that more costly than the other options discussed so far.
I’m sure prices have gone up a bit, but when I was shopping mixers back in 2018 dLive was the most logical next step beyond the M32 which offered a sufficient increase in capability to compensate for the higher price point. I ended up with an S Class Mixrack for the multiple card options, but in my opinion until you consider something along the lines of a dLive you’re best sticking with an M32. Hope this helps!
I'm not sure what sort of screamin' deals you've got access to (care to share?), but last time I priced out even a modest D Live system (Surface + Rack), it was several times expensive than an M32 system (Console + Stagebox), >> $10k. I wouldn't consider that a 'Prosumer' level item.
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I’m not sure what your definition of a prosumer mixer is, but I’ll toss dLive in the mix. Putting together a small C Class rig isn’t all that more costly than the other options discussed so far.
I’m sure prices have gone up a bit, but when I was shopping mixers back in 2018 dLive was the most logical next step beyond the M32 which offered a sufficient increase in capability to compensate for the higher price point. I ended up with an S Class Mixrack for the multiple card options, but in my opinion until you consider something along the lines of a dLive you’re best sticking with an M32. Hope this helps!
Yeah, I don’t feel like the dLive is in the same ballpark as these others. I’d prefer one, but that’s not in my budget. I guess my definition of prosumer is around the 5-6k area for the board itself.
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I’m not sure what your definition of a prosumer mixer is, but I’ll toss dLive in the mix. Putting together a small C Class rig isn’t all that more costly than the other options discussed so far.
I’m sure prices have gone up a bit, but when I was shopping mixers back in 2018 dLive was the most logical next step beyond the M32 which offered a sufficient increase in capability to compensate for the higher price point. I ended up with an S Class Mixrack for the multiple card options, but in my opinion until you consider something along the lines of a dLive you’re best sticking with an M32. Hope this helps!
The only issue with the C - class is the "if I am going to spend this much money for a little bit more I can get dual power supplies in the DM32 box, budget 15k and then build a snake with a NEMA box and a DX164-W expansion box, which has a very cool 12V backup power input so you have power supply redundancy on your mix engine, inputs and expanders and you have spend about 17k. Use a C class control surface C25000 for 18k. The S class consoles are very expensive. So what this gives you is a dual power supply system that if the control surface goes out you still have control via a computer with touchscreens or even a table. To be dual PS's is step into the next level. But you have still spend 35k so not sure how even the most basic C class or even the Avantis D-Pack at 20k is in the same price as a Wing or an SQ.
When your cross 30k you are touching on the same territory as an Avid S6L so I think we are so far from Prosumer at that point.
While getting back to reality I did want to mention that the groups of 8 issue has long been eliminated by Firmware from the X/M32 ecosystem. MG keeps surprising users with surprisingly well thought out updates that keep the platform fresh.
From a training standpoint you can toss a pebble and find an engineer that know X/M32, finding someone that know SQ is probably 500/1 compared to the X/M 32 community. Our ever increasing X/M inventory, bolstered over the pandemic by club closings we had rigs at is still the every day staple for surprisingly large productions. Seems everyone except the major tours has realized they can get a lot done for nothing with them. I was stunned but even Bill Crater longtime engineer with Joan Jett and the Blackhearts took an M32 from us for a private event. I don't see the X/M 32 becoming irreverent in the next 5 years or maybe we can even squeeze 10 out of them.
With regard to the comment of no remote for the WING, you can get Mixing station, which runs on a PC, IOS, Android and Behringer also has a remote app for both ENG and talent to control their monitor mix (along with a new personal mixing control).
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From a training standpoint you can toss a pebble and find an engineer that know X/M32, finding someone that know SQ is probably 500/1 compared to the X/M 32 community. Our ever increasing X/M inventory, bolstered over the pandemic by club closings we had rigs at is still the every day staple for surprisingly large productions. Seems everyone except the major tours has realized they can get a lot done for nothing with them. I was stunned but even Bill Crater longtime engineer with Joan Jett and the Blackhearts took an M32 from us for a private event. I don't see the X/M 32 becoming irreverent in the next 5 years or maybe we can even squeeze 10 out of them.
With regard to the comment of no remote for the WING, you can get Mixing station, which runs on a PC, IOS, Android and Behringer also has a remote app for both ENG and talent to control their monitor mix (along with a new personal mixing control).
The use of WING with Midas DL-xxx i/o boxes is a pretty cool combination. Considering the space/weight differences, I'd be inclined to look that way over a Pro 2.
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The use of WING with Midas DL-xxx i/o boxes is a pretty cool combination. Considering the space/weight differences, I'd be inclined to look that way over a Pro 2.
We were never a Behringer repair center but we had an account and could buy parts and repaired lots of Behringer product over the years. With the change in distribution that's my only down side. I have never had to call support for a technical question and we have only had a couple of warranty interactions but the parts and distribution change to me is the only downside.
I am very interested that you made this comment because I know you had a lot of Pro 2 stick time and we had a great Pro 1 and Pro 2 cross rental agreement and I always liked the mixer. We now have access to a pair of Avid Venue's and mix racks so I don't get to use the Midas much anymore.
Getting back on track. I played with a couple of Wings and the display is big bright and lovely. An external HDMI port would have been such an awesome inclusion. It looked like it would take a bit of time to learn the good stuff but I had no issue getting around and getting my job done. I never understood the stereo channel choice. Being able to create a mono channel might have pushed the channel count to high and nibbled at the sale of other products? I don't know.
It's good to hear that you like it too. I was shocked when someone we both know from a popular 80's hairband frontman's sound engineer, who is a major Midas and Avid user accepted the WING that the support act was carrying. He of course had comments about it's performance but in the end of the night the show sounded great and the other A1 was with him no handle any questions. He will never admit it but it sure looked like he was enjoying using it. It's 1/3 of the price of an Avantis and works with our entire M/X32 ecosystem that is bought and paid for.
An Avantis is never going to be on a rider so at the end of the day the WING gets us an in house board with a higher channel count which is exactly what we need amd cam still get the Midas or Avid gear if it is asked for.
It's just like our lighting rig from my standpoint. We have 3 excellent LD's we work with that have their own gear and of course skills, if a client wants a real light show we have the partner. We have no interest in competing against that. However we need to provide lights for shows with minimal lighting budgets but they are still too complicated to try and run on Showxpress. Jeff Leko recommended the ETC Congo and we were able to pick up a Congo Jr. at a decent price. Nobody with a lighting rider will want it but there still is a marker for that board with a dozen Chinese sharpie's some Mac Aura clones, Blizzard PARS and generic blinders (we still have ACL's if you have the power!). It fits a niche. I think the WING will do the same thing. Besides they're $3500 and available right now, what have I got to lose?
Thanks Tim
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Yeah, I don’t feel like the dLive is in the same ballpark as these others. I’d prefer one, but that’s not in my budget. I guess my definition of prosumer is around the 5-6k area for the board itself.
I don't disagree with this or what Scott and Peter said. I read your original post as "I'm using an M32 right now - what else is out there that's worth a look for upgrading?"
Back when I was shopping for digital mixers the M32 was essentially best-in-class. Any upgrade from that wasn't worth the money until you ventured into dLive territory which is the route I ended up going. I demo'd the SQ Series but felt it was more of what the QU Series should have been originally. I haven't touched Avantis or WING so no comments there, but unless there's a specific feature set you need in one of those products there's not a whole lot to gain from going any other route. The WING with Midas DL-xxx i/o that Tim suggested might be a worthwhile tipping point though if you're already in that ecosystem, but I don't have enough experience with that product line to have an opinion of substance. Hope that helps explain my point of view though!
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We bought a WING and a beautiful custom case from LM late February 2020 (whoopsie) but it's got the faulty touch screen issues. Inputs were muting without warning. According to the Tribe folks, a replacement screen is currently unobtanium, so that's fun.
Hopefully we can get it repaired and trust it once again, because it really is fun to mix on and offers a lot of flexibility.
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We bought a WING and a beautiful custom case from LM late February 2020 (whoopsie) but it's got the faulty touch screen issues. Inputs were muting without warning. According to the Tribe folks, a replacement screen is currently unobtanium, so that's fun.
Hopefully we can get it repaired and trust it once again, because it really is fun to mix on and offers a lot of flexibility.
With the latest firmware you can now, at least, turn off the touchscreen and use a USB mouse instead.
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I really liked the Soundcraft Performer 3. It was the closest thing to an analog board I've ever used. Having 32 faders and a preamp knob on every channel was great and it sounded really good. It was nice having 32 inputs and 16 outs on the back. You could use it without an expensive stage box. And it's advertised as being able to mix 80 channels and has DMX out. Shame about the tiny screen though.
I hope they update the design with a screen and the ability to use UAD plugins. I have an Apollo and the plugins are the best I've heard. UAD plugins are available on the V1 series but that's expensive. I think the lack of a screen interface and a higher price tag than X/M 32 etc hurt its sales.
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I’ve been using a full size M32 for several years now. I’m looking to get a new mixer and I’m looking for opinions for either staying with the M32 or going for something different. I don’t need rider friendly.
Given the current state of the Supply Chain & subsequent pricing, I'd say the "best" mixer is the one you have already paid for that is still functioning.
IMHO, the other mixers in the same class as the M32 offer only incremental improvements that aren't going to equate to more profit dollars. As mentioned previously, upgrading to a Midas Pro stage box *might* make a difference you can hear. I, too, have been intrigued by the Wing, but have not taken the leap for what might be a lateral move. Will hold off until there are more in the wild and they have proven themselves.
To get a significantly "better" console will require a much higher investment. The next notch up would be Yamaha QL/CL and A+H dLive.
Dave
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I really liked the Soundcraft Performer 3. It was the closest thing to an analog board I've ever used. Having 32 faders and a preamp knob on every channel was great and it sounded really good. It was nice having 32 inputs and 16 outs on the back. You could use it without an expensive stage box. And it's advertised as being able to mix 80 channels and has DMX out. Shame about the tiny screen though.
I hope they update the design with a screen and the ability to use UAD plugins. I have an Apollo and the plugins are the best I've heard. UAD plugins are available on the V1 series but that's expensive. I think the lack of a screen interface and a higher price tag than X/M 32 etc hurt its sales.
Unfortunately, the implementation of DMX is severely limited. You cannot re address the fader channels, so you are stuck with 14, 22, or 30 total dmx channels depending on the model Perf. You could use that up with one mover.
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I've got little time on the Midas Pro series and never consistently enough to be fast or truly competent on them. Frankly I found them a frustration to use unless they were fully set up, working, and all I needed to do was push faders. Some folks think they're intuitive, but some folks like Yamaha owner's manuals...
Any product that requires me to find *unlabeled radio buttons in the UI* to activate the headphone jack (which should work by default, right out of the packing crate), is a loser. I guess I'll never understand the workflow that Midas engineering seems to think is important. No amount of "but it sounds so good" makes up for that. I'll also never understand why it was not possible to have pre EQ/pre fader bus sends, but that's from another complaint list.
After 40 years in the biz I'm still trying to like Midas. Really.
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Unfortunately, the implementation of DMX is severely limited. You cannot re address the fader channels, so you are stuck with 14, 22, or 30 total dmx channels depending on the model Perf. You could use that up with one mover.
Think more stage/theatre lights than movers...you have a rack with 24 dimmers in it and need some simple controls.
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Think more stage/theatre lights than movers...you have a rack with 24 dimmers in it and need some simple controls.
Anything but the cheapest LEDs use multiple channels. I don't see this as having been targeted at the small theaters still with incandescents.
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Anything but the cheapest LEDs use multiple channels. I don't see this as having been targeted at the small theaters still with incandescents.
Obviously not for a large theatre, but there's plenty of small scale stuff out there that throw up a dozen par's and dozen source four's and call it a day and don't have a dedicated lighting operator.
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Obviously not for a large theatre, but there's plenty of small scale stuff out there that throw up a dozen par's and dozen source four's and call it a day and don't have a dedicated lighting operator.
The DMX may be limited and not much use to most people but I have another room with a Strand 24 x 2.4k dimmer and a few dozen conventional cans that it would work in. And if my light board died in the show room, I could run the front Lekos.
That's not going to influence my decision but just thought that I'd throw that out there. Right now, audio quality is my priority and the X32 even with the Midas stage box isn't doing it for me. The Wing would be the logical and most economic choice but I've yet to hear anything about how it sounds and how it compares to A&H, Soundcraft or the S21/31 series. But you get what you pay for right?
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The DMX may be limited and not much use to most people but I have another room with a Strand 24 x 2.4k dimmer and a few dozen conventional cans that it would work in. And if my light board died in the show room, I could run the front Lekos.
That's not going to influence my decision but just thought that I'd throw that out there. Right now, audio quality is my priority and the X32 even with the Midas stage box isn't doing it for me. The Wing would be the logical and most economic choice but I've yet to hear anything about how it sounds and how it compares to A&H, Soundcraft or the S21/31 series. But you get what you pay for right?
Yup, that was where my mind went....lots of conventional rigs out there that the couple dozen channels of DMX would work fine for. Heck, even the 4 channel pars on a stick setup that some bands run would work here.
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Discussion of DMX? We have a lighting forum for that.
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Discussion of DMX? We have a lighting forum for that.
Ooops. What was I thinking? But the Performer is a bit of a Platypus. A sound board with lighting control. Must have been a lot of drugs being smoked by that design team. They should have added a cup holder and coffee warmer.
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Ooops. What was I thinking? But the Performer is a bit of a Platypus. A sound board with lighting control. Must have been a lot of drugs being smoked by that design team. They should have added a cup holder and coffee warmer.
X32 did that but the phone holder was sized for an older iPhone model lol.
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Unless you need 64 inputs in a small frame, I cannot recommend the Soundcraft Performer or Impact. They're way behind the times these days.
I completely agree.
They are usable but very much utilitarian compared to any of the more current offerings - I can't think of any other digital mixer that is lacking an automixer or the ability to key/sidechain the internal dynamics processors to another channel/bus.
I have mixed bands on them and I have mixed CEOs on them...the expandability is nice, but I always find myself wishing I had more granular routing and control that "even" an Allen & Heath QU series mixer has built-in and not requiring expansion cards.
The A&H SQ series gets my vote for small console, followed by the Yamaha QL series for a "step up" if the Avantis isn't your cup of tea.
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I just moved from Midas Pro to SQ-7 and couldn’t be happier. IMO it’s the best mixer in its class. Easy to setup and operate.