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Hey guys, somewhat new to this part of the site but was hoping to see what would be the best fit for a 40-50' throw for a PAR56 LED light in a church environment? They currently have 12 300watt bulbs PAR56 cans they would like to replace with LED PAR's..
All controlled via manual DMX controller, however for the most part the lights will be static colors on the altar, and musicians.
Thanks in advance.
-Sam
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What is the purpose of the lighting? Is this effects type lighting, or are you looking to light the talent? A challenge you will find with LED lighting is getting a good enough intense white that doesn't make people look like aliens. Cheaper lights tend to be worse at this.
As far as LED par can replacements, I've been super happy with the American D Z100 par cans. 100 watt white LED that gives me output similar to a traditional 1000 watt par can. It's in traditional par can shape, and has a manual adjustable beam angle.
They also have an RGBW model, although I don't have any direct experience with that one yet.
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What is the purpose of the lighting? Is this effects type lighting, or are you looking to light the talent? A challenge you will find with LED lighting is getting a good enough intense white that doesn't make people look like aliens. Cheaper lights tend to be worse at this.
As far as LED par can replacements, I've been super happy with the American D Z100 par cans. 100 watt white LED that gives me output similar to a traditional 1000 watt par can. It's in traditional par can shape, and has a manual adjustable beam angle.
They also have an RGBW model, although I don't have any direct experience with that one yet.
Hi Brian,
As mentioned, some of these are going to be used to lighten up the altar and the musicians, he said it would be a nice feature to add "some color" during the performances of the band/musicians.
I'll take a look at pricing those out for them (American DJ D Z100 models)
Thank you.
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For coloring the stage I kind of like the Chauvet CorePar series. Decent value.
For key lights and lighting people, getting a higher quality w/c white or a RGBAW is called for.
I like the Chauvet Colorado Solo series, as they have a zoom which makes the fixtures much more versatile.
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Any Chauvet fixture that has the Warm White COB Led is a fantastic light.
We are using a bunch of the Ovation Leko's and the Fresnels. They are great lights. They make similar lights in the DJ range which are about half the price and I'm about to buy some of those for our youth stage as well. The cheaper Leko's are zoom fixtures and the fresnels have different lenses. That's the big difference.
They ain't cheap, but they will be miles better than your current Par56 cans.
I wouldn't use a multi colored LED for a front wash. You'd be paying for extra colors you don't need, and you'll get a more powerful fixture for the money with a single white or WW/CW type fixture.
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I've looked at some LED par cans but what I can't figure out is how they would compare to an NFL Par 64 1K can or a 1K Leko on a narrow focus. Does anyone been able to compare the 2 together?
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John, I have done that with the ADJ PAR Z100 3K. This is the 3K color which is very much an "incandesent" looking warm white as apposed the the 5K that have more blue in the spectrum. That is to be expected. In general, in the narrowest mode is is narrower than a VNSP par 64. almost ACL narrow. Conventional PAR's produce a oval beam. The Z100 beam is round, but not with the sharp edge a leko can produce. At the 8 degree setting the Z100 would be similar to a 10 degree leko. At it's widest setting, the Z100 is similar to (maybe slightly narrower than) a MFL PAR. The FF series and 1000Q series of conventional PAR have beams that slightly vary for equal beam designations, i.e. FFR vs. Q1000 Par 64 MFL. The visible output of the Z100 is very much equal to the PAR 64's or a 1K lelo. I have not compaired them using a meter.
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I've looked at some LED par cans but what I can't figure out is how they would compare to an NFL Par 64 1K can or a 1K Leko on a narrow focus. Does anyone been able to compare the 2 together?
I have some Chauvet Ovation 160WW and 260WW Leko's. I'd place the 160WW about equal to a 575 and the 260 is equal if not brighter than a 1000. They are no joke. Had I known all this before hand I probably wouldn't have bought as many 260's as I did. I could have saved some money.
I have 2 lights that are throwing about 40 feet, but most are in the 20 to 30 foot range.
All the key lights are Chauvet Ovation Leko's. The color washes are Elation Fuze and the Cyc (background wash) is Altman Spectra Cyc's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijs_aAM6gDM&ab_channel=LoneStarCowboyChurch
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Hey guys, somewhat new to this part of the site but was hoping to see what would be the best fit for a 40-50' throw for a PAR56 LED light in a church environment? They currently have 12 300watt bulbs PAR56 cans they would like to replace with LED PAR's..
All controlled via manual DMX controller, however for the most part the lights will be static colors on the altar, and musicians.
Thanks in advance.
-Sam
ETC Colorsource becomes surprisingly attainable when you start getting into the higher end fixtures from other manufacturers.
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I wouldn't use a multi colored LED for a front wash. You'd be paying for extra colors you don't need, and you'll get a more powerful fixture for the money with a single white or WW/CW type fixture.
I mostly agree here. I generally like using white lights for the front wash. The only case I could see for having mix available is if you wanted to adjust the color temperature. But RGB is unnecessary for that.
Put enough lights out for the wash, then use whatever RGB fixtures to get the color effects you want to use.
So many stages I've seen where they skip the wash and it looks like hell....
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I mostly agree here. I generally like using white lights for the front wash. The only case I could see for having mix available is if you wanted to adjust the color temperature. But RGB is unnecessary for that.
Put enough lights out for the wash, then use whatever RGB fixtures to get the color effects you want to use.
So many stages I've seen where they skip the wash and it looks like hell....
All day long and twice on Sunday!
I have all my "front" lighting as Warm White Leko's or fresnels from the same manufaturer and in the same color temp (Chauvet Warm White). I then put color fixtures overhead shooting almost straight down. It gives a nice layered effect. You can dim the front lights and have the overhead washes coming down and hitting the talent and it looks "dark" but you can still see everyone. Then fade up the front wash when they sing and it makes a nice dramatic change. You can not acheive this with just changing the color alone.
For example, the Preacher and the Keyboard player are fully lit here, but the rest of the band is only lit from overhead using my full color washes, in a matching warm white, but still only overhead. https://youtu.be/Ijs_aAM6gDM?t=3859
Then starting here we fade up the front wash to bring focus back to the band.
https://youtu.be/Ijs_aAM6gDM?t=4276