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Title: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: duane massey on October 20, 2020, 11:40:55 am
Has anyone used the Novation Launchpad or similar surface for playback/triggering in conjunction with DMX software? What program? Thanks!
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: Dave Guilford on October 26, 2020, 08:38:44 pm
Launchpad is alright - it was the first midi controller I used for software probably 8 or 9 years ago.  Right away youíll wish you had faders.  Get an Akai APC unit - several sizes available and they have button grid plus faders. 

Virtually all Dmx software supports midi triggering , so get whatever software you like
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: Jeff Lelko on October 27, 2020, 05:02:42 am
Launchpad is alright - it was the first midi controller I used for software probably 8 or 9 years ago.  Right away youíll wish you had faders.  Get an Akai APC unit - several sizes available and they have button grid plus faders. 

Virtually all Dmx software supports midi triggering , so get whatever software you like

Dave, can you elaborate on how you set this up?  I've tried using a Launchpad as well but had no success.  Launchpad only has a USB interface and not a direct MIDI output which can severely limit compatibility. 
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: duane massey on October 27, 2020, 01:03:56 pm
Jeff, if this was for my use I'd certainly not be happy with the Launchpad. However the client in this case does NOT want anything but buttons. Lots of them. He is old-school, as in Pulsar Touchpanel old-school, and wants to run the system manually.
It is a challenge. At the moment he has 5 Showdesigner controllers, each one controlling a separate type of fixture. I am trying to come up with an alternative that he will be comfortable with that will still allow me to provide a lot of programming to utilize the odd assortment of 20-year old light fixtures.
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: Jeff Lelko on October 27, 2020, 09:21:44 pm
Thanks Duane - I was more curious to hear how Dave got his Launchpad solution to work.  Using a Launchpad to fire lighting commands is one of the few things I've had to accept total failure on when trying it myself.  Because to the best of my knowledge the data sent over USB isn't true MIDI, most software and nearly all hardware consoles won't be able to natively use this.  I know programs exist to interpret/pipe the data from Launchpad to other applications in true MIDI, but I never got anything to work successfully.

Thinking outside the box a bit, I know that the DMX capabilities of playback programs like QLab and ShowCueSystem have gotten quite good.  They're much more friendly to accepting MIDI and hotkey triggering, so unless you need a high degree of complex cuing you might have better luck going this route since there are many off the shelf button pads and custom keyboards to run QLab such as from XKeys, etc.  Hope this helps! 
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: Dave Guilford on October 31, 2020, 11:15:23 pm
Iím not sure whatís tough. Make sure your Dmx software recognizes your launchpad, and start assigning scenes to buttons.

Iím assuming you arenít trying to use a launchpad to control a dmx board, but instead software loaded onto a computer. If Iím right this is petty common with a lot of Dmx Software.  YouTube ?
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: duane massey on November 01, 2020, 02:20:49 am
Iím not sure whatís tough. Make sure your Dmx software recognizes your launchpad, and start assigning scenes to buttons.

Iím assuming you arenít trying to use a launchpad to control a dmx board, but instead software loaded onto a computer. If Iím right this is petty common with a lot of Dmx Software.  YouTube ?
Thanks, Dave. I thought it should work, but I didn't want to have the client invest in something that wouldn't do what he needs.  Any software you'd suggest that gives you options like HTP, LTP, swap, latch, etc, for the scenes or buttons? Thanks.
This will not be for touring, but will be permanently installed so riders or traveling LD's are not an issue.
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: Jeff Lelko on November 01, 2020, 09:30:07 pm
...Make sure your Dmx software recognizes your launchpad...

There in lies the problem - many wonít.  As example, MagicQ PC will only accept MIDI commands through the ChamSys proprietary interface.  Nomad is also picky about which flavors of MIDI it will accept.  Not saying it canít be done - just saying I was never successful with it. 

YouTube is sparse with success stories that would be considered acceptable for a professional application, hence I am curious to hear about the combination of hardware/software that you got to work.
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: TimBuck on November 05, 2020, 03:21:51 pm
Has anyone used the Novation Launchpad or similar surface for playback/triggering in conjunction with DMX software? What program? Thanks!
If you found the right program , please let me know!!
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: duane massey on November 05, 2020, 07:01:32 pm
Turns out the client has a Launchpad that he bought for his son last year, and it is now gathering dust in his garage. I will get it next week and start looking into software. I will post my results when I have something. Thanks to all for participating.
Title: Re: Novation launcpad for lighting control?
Post by: Jeff Lelko on November 05, 2020, 09:46:06 pm
Good Luck!  I'd probably say to start by looking at Freestyler or QLC+.  I don't have any direct experience with MIDI mapping on either, but the quasi-"roll your own" programs such as those two tend to be the most friendly to these sorts of projects compared to name-brand programs which are usually more locked down in terms of hardware compatibility.