Post by: Chris Harwood on January 02, 2011, 08:34:53 PM
But, what's like? Any good?
Post by: Jonathan Johnson on January 03, 2011, 01:46:43 AM
Post by: Arnold B. Krueger on January 04, 2011, 09:11:20 AM
| Chris Harwood wrote on Mon, 03 January 2011 01:34 |
Title says it all. Cat 5 cabling, music AND virtual monitor mixer on a touch screen music stand. Many other features. Was looking at Aviom for a new church install, but this has sooo many more useful features. But, what's like? Any good? |
It looks great on paper. We just invested in Aviom, and I am now having second thoughts, based on this.
The basic idea seems to be to replace the Aviom musician's controllers @ $700 with some tablet PCs @ $1000 and get a ton more useful function.
If this pass at these ideas does not make it, I predict that people will try it again and again until they do make it.
I know how much time gets spent shuffling sheet music around my church, and anything that cuts that significantly would be a very good thing. The mixer is just cream. Very valuable cream,b ut just cream.
I wonder if this would faciliate projecting full musical scores for congregatoinal singing. That requirement has been wandering around our church for over a decade!
Somebody gests to be the pioneer!
Post by: Thomas Harkin on January 04, 2011, 03:10:56 PM
| Chris Harwood wrote on Sun, 02 January 2011 19:34 |
Title says it all. Cat 5 cabling, music AND virtual monitor mixer on a touch screen music stand. Many other features. Was looking at Aviom for a new church install, but this has sooo many more useful features. But, what's like? Any good? |
I know nothing about it, but would like to know, too.
I couldn't find any specs or pricing. have you found any?
Thomas
Post by: John M Gibby on January 04, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
The idea is really slick though. Combine the Planning & Play features with a soft version of Roland's M-48 mixing capabilities and you've got a killer product at least on paper. The devil is in the details, so-to-speak. So it remains to be seen how well it works in a real-world environment.
John
Post by: Frank DeWitt on January 04, 2011, 04:17:49 PM
19" Touchscreen Performance Station with Software, 4GB SamePage SPPS-M4 $950
Network Switch 24Port SamePage SP24S $700
16Ch Line Level Input Module SamePage SPMX16L $1700
And the mix engine at about $2500 for 8 ch (I think)
So, It looks like 10 stations will cost about $16,900 or about $1700 per person.
I don't own this system, I am just guessing based on this web site.
http://www.fullcompass.com/brand/SPG/show-all.html
Frank
Post by: John M Gibby on January 04, 2011, 04:49:54 PM
We need someone with first-hand experience to give us a run-down on them.
John
PS. I do like FullCompass. Erik is a good man!
Post by: Kent Thompson on January 04, 2011, 05:30:25 PM
http://www.procomomentum.com/?page=ears
Post by: Frank DeWitt on January 04, 2011, 08:57:03 PM
| John M Gibby wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 16:49 |
Pricing sounds good for all they say it will do. However, looking on SamePage site, I notice there are reviews all the way back to 2007, but I've never heard of these. Makes me wonder if the idea has a lot of cool factor, but in reality, the musicians don't like them and therefore they aren't that popular. We need someone with first-hand experience to give us a run-down on them. John PS. I do like FullCompass. Erik is a good man! |
I think the mixer part was added in Nov 2008 It is by Pro Co
http://procomomentum.com/downloads/releases/Pro%20Co%20and%2 0Corevalus.pdf
Frank
Post by: Jonathan Johnson on January 04, 2011, 11:31:29 PM
| John M Gibby wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 12:57 |
I think touch screen interfaces are here to stay, but there is one glaring (no pun intended) gotcha I see with these. If used in a production where the stage goes black, the lighting director is not going to be happy. Even just a few of these things glaring in the dark will destroy the mood of a dark set. However, I think eventually they will design into touchscreens automatic dimming based on ambient light. I'm sure some devices already have it, but I think all devices will have this somewhere down the road, even just to save battery life for battery-powered devices. And devices such as this might even be remotely dimmed through DMX. The church I worked in VA installed dimmable circuits to be able to dim the incandescent music stand lights just for that reason. The idea is really slick though. Combine the Planning & Play features with a soft version of Roland's M-48 mixing capabilities and you've got a killer product at least on paper. The devil is in the details, so-to-speak. So it remains to be seen how well it works in a real-world environment. John |
Black tape works for the ubiquitous LED, but I'm guessing it won't work here.
I like the idea of a DMX-capable monitor... wonder how long before someone implements it. If the monitor backlight is LED, it would be possible, but if it is a cold cathode lamp (like the kind in a flatbed scanner -- also used in many LCD monitors) then it probably wouldn't be truly dimmable. In that case, you'd be dependent on darkening the LCD elements, and that does not produce true darkness.
Post by: Thomas Harkin on January 05, 2011, 08:23:07 AM
| Frank DeWitt wrote on Tue, 04 January 2011 15:17 |
I poked around and found this. 19" Touchscreen Performance Station with Software, 4GB SamePage SPPS-M4 $950 Network Switch 24Port SamePage SP24S $700 16Ch Line Level Input Module SamePage SPMX16L $1700 And the mix engine at about $2500 for 8 ch (I think) So, It looks like 10 stations will cost about $16,900 or about $1700 per person. I don't own this system, I am just guessing based on this web site. http://www.fullcompass.com/brand/SPG/show-all.html Frank |
DOH!
Thanks, Frank. I didn't think to look at a retailer!
Thomas
Post by: Chris Harwood on January 06, 2011, 12:13:33 AM
The price is very comparable and all looks good that I've read on the internet... EXCEPT, is it a "fer reaL" and reliable product?
The music stands have been out for awhile, and I believe you'll see versions of them in orchestral pits, but I couldn't tell you if it's this brand or not.
Flipping different songs/sheet music on the fly, tied into OH projectors, rear wall projecting, texting to the booth, ordering pizza.... etc.
Oh...but those "carnal" music stands!!
Maybe some one will chime in that has used 'em.
Thanks for all the replies so far.
Post by: Bill Beach on March 07, 2011, 05:00:58 PM
this system works well for us. no touch screen and it doesn't mix. but then we have the Aviom for mixing.
just some thought for the little guys out there.