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Title: Road Stories...
Post by: Ike Zimbel on September 21, 2020, 01:16:23 pm
Hi All,
Here's a little blast from my very distant past  :P https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-sometimes-getting-there-and-home-is-more-than-half-the-challenge/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-sometimes-getting-there-and-home-is-more-than-half-the-challenge/)
Cheers,
Ike
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Ike Zimbel on October 17, 2020, 09:40:07 pm
Hi All,
Here's a little blast from my very distant past  :P https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-sometimes-getting-there-and-home-is-more-than-half-the-challenge/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-sometimes-getting-there-and-home-is-more-than-half-the-challenge/)
Cheers,
Ike
...and here's another one:https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-a-moment-in-time-two-gigs-with-eric-burdon-circa-1982/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-a-moment-in-time-two-gigs-with-eric-burdon-circa-1982/)
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 17, 2020, 11:35:44 pm
Some of those early traumas, I've managed to mostly forget.

Disappearing help, intoxicated help, no help... no food, no water, the only thing the promoter did right was have our money ready on time.

I don't miss those days and find it difficult to rationalize any form of acceptability from the way they transpired.  In fact, they are probably why I can be such a dick about how badly catering and hospitality are sometimes handled for production providers and local crew.  That's my segue to:

Rob Zombie, close to 20 years ago.  I'm working as a local IATSE hand at the county arena.  Zombie carrying their own stage.  Everything has to ramp off the trucks, it's June in Kansas so it's 95°F with matching humidity by noon.  Rob is walking from dressing room to catering and takes a look in the arena at the sweating and slow hands.  He asked a couple of them if they were okay and he caught the brave smile and the lie of "we're okay."  He started yelling for the venue manager and demanded to know why there was no climate control.  Turns out the county only turns on the air conditioning or heat when the promoter pays for it.  Zombie demanded the promoter rep, who scurried to the arena floor.  He told the venue and promoter there needed to be cool air blowing in 10 minutes or he might have to cancel the show.  "Those people are the reason we can play tonight, why are you fucking them like this?  Get the air on, now."  He then went to catering and carried back cases of bottled water and started handing them out to the crew.  "Drink the whole thing, do it now."

The star turned a shitty day at work in a crappy, hot arena into a more civilized day.  Thanks, Rob!
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on October 18, 2020, 02:13:34 am
Rob Zombie, close to 20 years ago.  I'm working as a local IATSE hand at the county arena.  Zombie carrying their own stage.  Everything has to ramp off the trucks, it's June in Kansas so it's 95°F with matching humidity by noon.  Rob is walking from dressing room to catering and takes a look in the arena at the sweating and slow hands.  He asked a couple of them if they were okay and he caught the brave smile and the lie of "we're okay."  He started yelling for the venue manager and demanded to know why there was no climate control.  Turns out the county only turns on the air conditioning or heat when the promoter pays for it.  Zombie demanded the promoter rep, who scurried to the arena floor.  He told the venue and promoter there needed to be cool air blowing in 10 minutes or he might have to cancel the show.  "Those people are the reason we can play tonight, why are you fucking them like this?  Get the air on, now."  He then went to catering and carried back cases of bottled water and started handing them out to the crew.  "Drink the whole thing, do it now."
Truly one in a million. Most stars at that level won't even show up for sound check, let alone the middle of load in.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 18, 2020, 12:50:00 pm
Truly one in a million. Most stars at that level won't even show up for sound check, let alone the middle of load in.

Rob is a class act and his intervention on behalf of the crew was noticed and very much appreciated by them.

Another artist that "gets it" is Ringo Starr.  My shop did an arena show for the All Starr Band a couple years ago.  Ringo walked through catering and chatted up those present and added "if you would like a picture, now is a really good time."  Local crew and production are trained to NEVER ask an artist for anything, don't even talk to them unless they address you first, that kind of thing.  He stayed a good 15 or 20 minutes, open and kind, and came back through a couple more times.  It's gratifying when performers notice and acknowledge the people that make things happen.

Willie Nelson, ditto.

The Most Paranoid award is probably a tie between The Eagles and Prince.

Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Dan Mortensen on October 18, 2020, 05:32:28 pm
The Most Paranoid award is probably a tie between The Eagles and Prince.

Add Art Garfunkel to that list...

Nice stories!
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Dave Garoutte on October 18, 2020, 06:19:23 pm
Van Morrison was doing a pre-tour set up and run-through at a local (really nice) rehearsal studio and his manager instructed the employees not to look at or talk to Van.  I've called him Voldemort ever since then.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Matthew Knischewsky on October 18, 2020, 10:10:11 pm
...and here's another one:https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-a-moment-in-time-two-gigs-with-eric-burdon-circa-1982/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-a-moment-in-time-two-gigs-with-eric-burdon-circa-1982/)

The Coronet was way before my time (I was only 5 or so years old when the original location closed) but knowing who booked that room I'm not at all surprised by the source of the crew!
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Chris Hindle on October 19, 2020, 07:27:55 am
I was doing a briefcase gig for the openers.
Robbie Krieger was the main act.
One of the waiters tells him "These guys do a smokin' version of "L.A. Woman"
Now, they weren't going to play it that night, but Krieger says "Forget it, no opener tonight."
A little insecure are we Robbie?
Chris.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: scottstephens on October 19, 2020, 10:35:22 am
Hey All,

   A couple of quickies...First is kind of like Tim's. Early 2000's Somewhere in middle of the country on a military base with Shania Twain, possibly Fort Riley KS. It was hotter than hell itself and someone came and put 2 giant cases of water in coolers in the middle of the stage.  The hands and the soldiers who were helping immediately trapped some and some self-important manager yelled that it was for "Shania and the band".  She came off the bus, yelled at the guy and said that the crew and the soldiers could have whatever they wanted, that they "were the show" and that she was just the "eye candy who sang".  Gotta give her the props on that.

#2, Traveling in the  southwest doing summer fairs and festivals with an oldies group that was completely self contained. Show went well, moving down the road, stopped at a gas station/store to refill the cooler and move on for about another 20-30 minutes and the boss's wife yells that she forgot her purse at the store and it had the cash from the show in it.  I've never been on a bus that has turned around that fast. Thankfully, someone turned it in and the group got the $10-$12K cash and her purse back. She wasn't allowed to hold the receipts after that.

#3. East side of Chicago, Same oldies group. Some guy robbed a bank or something and was being chased by the cops. While sitting in 6 lanes of traffic waiting to make a left turn,  the bad guy's Buick bounces off of the back of the bus, and  goes across the median. He proceeded to pull out a 9mm and fired down the entire left side of the bus. None of us were hurt Thank God. As we sat in the traffic jam, we turned on the tv a little later to watch the chase play out. They spike stripped his car and he tried to outrun 2 police dogs.  They took him down, PAINFULLY!!!

I have lots more but that's all for now. Maybe I will write a book.

Scott
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Jamin Lynch on October 19, 2020, 10:45:46 am
A couple of years ago we had Denise Quad and his band perform at a small local venue were I was suppling lighting and stage support. When the bus pulled up, the tour manager came out and got all the hands together and asked if we please do not mention Randy. It took a second for that to register.

When Dennis got off the bus he immediately came to the stage and went out of his way to meet and shake hands with all the crew. He was genuinely interested in the crew, getting their names correct and hearing a little about each person. Really nice guy. He and the band were super laid back and made the whole event enjoyable. I believe he even set up his own keyboard and guitar amp.

His band was very good. It was a great show.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Dave Pluke on October 26, 2020, 10:15:59 am
Maybe I will write a book.

I've mused about that myself, but SO MANY names would have to be changed  ;)  .

Dave
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Dave Garoutte on October 26, 2020, 11:59:07 am
I've mused about that myself, but SO MANY names would have to be changed  ;)  .

Dave
Just change yours.  It's less work. :o
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Chris Hindle on October 26, 2020, 12:23:15 pm
Can't overlook the "Neil and Pat" shows. I've done (survived) 2 myself.....
Chris.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Bradford "BJ" James on October 26, 2020, 05:52:59 pm
One bus and trailer mini tour I was on- we were travelling through the night, everyone snug in their bunks. The bus stopped at a service center for the driver to get a coffee and a walk around. Unbeknownst to everyone (all were sleeping) a band member decides to go into the store to buy a snack. Of course the driver doesn’t see this this and a few minutes later we’re back on the road, minus one band member.  Another band member was a light sleeper and a few minutes later alerted the driver. Quick 180* and a little bit later we’re back at the service center......musician walking around aimlessly, no phone, no ID, and a little bit of change. Stupid doofus.

Also, on that same tour, we were coming back from the UP MI, and again travelling at night, driver hits something....thunk, thunk under the bus. We keep moving so I go back to sleep. In the morning we stop at the duty free at the Canadian border to stock up. Driver tells us we hit a deer. We walk around the bus and there is deer jam all over the front of the trailer.....f@cking gross, worse yet was all the deer goo and parts in the engine bay. Disgustingly gross.

Reminds me though, I’ve never slept as well as when travelling on a bus. Just puts me right out. And the bus shutting off is like an alarm clock.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Tim Weaver on October 26, 2020, 06:58:17 pm
One bus and trailer mini tour I was on- we were travelling through the night, everyone snug in their bunks. The bus stopped at a service center for the driver to get a coffee and a walk around. Unbeknownst to everyone (all were sleeping) a band member decides to go into the store to buy a snack. Of course the driver doesn’t see this this and a few minutes later we’re back on the road, minus one band member.  Another band member was a light sleeper and a few minutes later alerted the driver. Quick 180* and a little bit later we’re back at the service center......musician walking around aimlessly, no phone, no ID, and a little bit of change. Stupid doofus.

Also, on that same tour, we were coming back from the UP MI, and again travelling at night, driver hits something....thunk, thunk under the bus. We keep moving so I go back to sleep. In the morning we stop at the duty free at the Canadian border to stock up. Driver tells us we hit a deer. We walk around the bus and there is deer jam all over the front of the trailer.....f@cking gross, worse yet was all the deer goo and parts in the engine bay. Disgustingly gross.

Reminds me though, I’ve never slept as well as when travelling on a bus. Just puts me right out. And the bus shutting off is like an alarm clock.

Yes! Sleeping on a bus is the absolute best! I strive to get sleep like that nowadays.

Deer are a fact of life around here, but thankfully none have painted the trailer like that. We've had them bust out headlights though.

When you get off the bus you should put your lanyard or similar on the driver's seat so he knows to wait. We've left behind a couple of doofus musicians doing this.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Stephen Swaffer on October 28, 2020, 12:28:49 pm

When you get off the bus you should put your lanyard or similar on the driver's seat so he knows to wait. We've left behind a couple of doofus musicians doing this.

Isn't doofus musician redundant?
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Jason Glass on October 28, 2020, 02:09:44 pm
One bus and trailer mini tour I was on- we were travelling through the night, everyone snug in their bunks. The bus stopped at a service center for the driver to get a coffee and a walk around. Unbeknownst to everyone (all were sleeping) a band member decides to go into the store to buy a snack. Of course the driver doesn’t see this this and a few minutes later we’re back on the road, minus one band member.  Another band member was a light sleeper and a few minutes later alerted the driver. Quick 180* and a little bit later we’re back at the service center......musician walking around aimlessly, no phone, no ID, and a little bit of change. Stupid doofus.

Confession: I was this guy's equivalent, albeit Monitor Engineer, but even worse.  Not a snack but an emergency high velocity, umm, evacuation of solid contents.  On tour through Louisiana (southern USA show catering the cause perhaps?) along I-10 in 1993, early AM hour.  Phone?  Ha!  Phone...  Wallet?  ID?  Money?  Ha!  Anyway, may I remind everyone that not only do our phones make calls, they also contain every phone NUMBER that we can't remember.  Uugh.

The two extremely large and amorous lady "chefs" in the truck stop kitchen had a conversation right in front of me about "keeping this skinny Yankee to play with for awhile", with lecherous checkerboard grins and grisly details, to my horror, but thankfully then proceeded to take pity and dial the Louisiana State Highway Patrol, who then discretely PUT OUT AN APB to intercept a blue Eagle tour bus headed east.  Uugh again.  60 or so long minutes later, up rolls the bus, with A TWO-CAR COP ESCORT, lights a-blazin'.  Hoo.  Wow.  I board, and immediately get reamed by our driver, who has the audacity to take the moral high ground because "YOU ALMOST LANDED ME IN PRISON!  IT'S A GOOD THING I CARRY AUTOGRAPHED PHOTOS OF (OUR ARTIST) TO GIVE TO COPS!  MY LICENSE IS SUSPENDED!"

Yeah, our lives were in this guy's hands and I'm the idiot...
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on October 28, 2020, 02:27:26 pm
Confession: I was this guy's equivalent, albeit Monitor Engineer, but even worse.  Not a snack but an emergency high velocity, umm, evacuation of solid contents.  On tour through Louisiana (southern USA show catering the cause perhaps?) along I-10 in 1993, early AM hour.  Phone?  Ha!  Phone...  Wallet?  ID?  Money?  Ha!  Anyway, may I remind everyone that not only do our phones make calls, they also contain every phone NUMBER that we can't remember.  Uugh.

The two extremely large and amorous lady "chefs" in the truck stop kitchen had a conversation right in front of me about "keeping this skinny Yankee to play with for awhile", with lecherous checkerboard grins and grisly details, to my horror, but thankfully then proceeded to take pity and dial the Louisiana State Highway Patrol, who then discretely PUT OUT AN APB to intercept a blue Eagle tour bus headed east.  Uugh again.  60 or so long minutes later, up rolls the bus, with A TWO-CAR COP ESCORT, lights a-blazin'.  Hoo.  Wow.  I board, and immediately get reamed by our driver, who has the audacity to take the moral high ground because "YOU ALMOST LANDED ME IN PRISON!  IT'S A GOOD THING I CARRY AUTOGRAPHED PHOTOS OF (OUR ARTIST) TO GIVE TO COPS!  MY LICENSE IS SUSPENDED!"

Yeah, our lives were in this guy's hands and I'm the idiot...

And if those lady chefs are friendly with the barber next door and you notice meat pies on the menu... it could be your final thrill.  From monitor mixer to ingredient from one late night bio-break.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Chris Hindle on October 28, 2020, 03:59:42 pm

 I board, and immediately get reamed by our driver, who has the audacity to take the moral high ground because "YOU ALMOST LANDED ME IN PRISON!  IT'S A GOOD THING I CARRY AUTOGRAPHED PHOTOS OF (OUR ARTIST) TO GIVE TO COPS!  MY LICENSE IS SUSPENDED!"

Yeah, our lives were in this guy's hands and I'm the idiot...
Reminds me of a night between Toronto and Hamilton....
At the time  I had a CDL, left over from my time as a mechanic and driving 50 and 80 ton wreckers..
The "convoy" got stopped because one of the semi's was driving "erratic". Driver gets taken away, and TM asks if I can drive the rig.
I mean, not as dramatic as poor Jason, but not exactly normal either. I towed many semi's, but didn't get to drive them much.
Chris.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Justice C. Bigler on October 28, 2020, 08:16:01 pm
Yes! Sleeping on a bus is the absolute best! I strive to get sleep like that nowadays.


Reminds me though, I’ve never slept as well as when travelling on a bus. Just puts me right out. And the bus shutting off is like an alarm clock.


I hated trying to sleep on the bus. Could never get comfortable and routinely never slept the first night we would be on an over night jump. I wouldn't be able to sleep until the second night, when I had done two full load ins and shows with a sleepless night between them, and that just out of sheer exhaustion.


As soon as the bus pulled into the hotel parking lot I was usually the first one off the bus and into the hotel to sleep in a real bed.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: John Sulek on October 28, 2020, 08:44:29 pm

I hated trying to sleep on the bus. Could never get comfortable and routinely never slept the first night we would be on an over night jump. I wouldn't be able to sleep until the second night, when I had done two full load ins and shows with a sleepless night between them, and that just out of sheer exhaustion.


As soon as the bus pulled into the hotel parking lot I was usually the first one off the bus and into the hotel to sleep in a real bed.

Top front drivers. I usually sleep pretty good until we stop.
But my folks told me they used to drive me around in the car to get me to sleep when I was a newborn.

Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Jason Glass on October 28, 2020, 11:26:56 pm
And if those lady chefs are friendly with the barber next door and you notice meat pies on the menu... it could be your final thrill.  From monitor mixer to ingredient from one late night bio-break.

I would have lost my tiny little mind if the place was on Fleet Street!   ;)
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Ike Zimbel on January 11, 2021, 05:04:54 pm
Hi All,
Here's a little blast from my very distant past  :P https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-sometimes-getting-there-and-home-is-more-than-half-the-challenge/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-sometimes-getting-there-and-home-is-more-than-half-the-challenge/)
Cheers,
Ike
...and here's another one: https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/)
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Lee Douglas on January 11, 2021, 05:55:14 pm
...and here's another one: https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/)

Stand Tall, dude!
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Jason Glass on January 11, 2021, 07:39:23 pm
...and here's another one: https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/)

Wonderful story, and great writing, too!

PS- I'll return your call soon.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: John L Nobile on January 12, 2021, 11:12:47 am
...and here's another one: https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-with-wireless-live-at-the-el-mocambo-tavern/)

Keep those stories coming Ike. Always enjoy them.

I've never been in the El Mocambo but I did rehearse above it with a band while the CN Tower was going up. The problem with being busy in this industry is that you never get to see bands perform.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Dave Garoutte on January 12, 2021, 12:44:00 pm
The problem with being busy in this industry is that you never get to see bands perform.
Even when you're there working. :(
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Mike garland on January 12, 2021, 07:48:23 pm
Running foh at a club in Michigan for la guns, drunk guy sticks his head in the mid range cab next to the stage, passes out, and by the time security got to him through the crowd he had thrown up in the cabinet. Very disgusting.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Ike Zimbel on January 12, 2021, 08:29:04 pm
Keep those stories coming Ike. Always enjoy them.

I've never been in the El Mocambo but I did rehearse above it with a band while the CN Tower was going up. The problem with being busy in this industry is that you never get to see bands perform.
So that would have been early-to-mid 70's yes? What band was it?
iz
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Ike Zimbel on March 19, 2021, 01:21:28 pm
And here's another one, featuring a shout out to our very own moderator, Tim McCulloch.https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/)
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: John L Nobile on March 19, 2021, 03:52:32 pm
And here's another one, featuring a shout out to our very own moderator, Tim McCulloch.https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/)

Another good read. Looking forward to the next installment. :)
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Tim McCulloch on March 19, 2021, 04:19:33 pm
And here's another one, featuring a shout out to our very own moderator, Tim McCulloch.https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/)

The things one finds... although I moderate only my sodium intake. ;)

edit ps:  we need more mixerpersons and technicians like Cathy Bush.  With work on the horizon how can we - as an industry - find and mentor new crew that isn't just a bunch of old, grumpy, most white men?  Probably a topic for its own thread if we want to discuss, but I'm planting some thoughts... we're in for some rough times if we don't get new folks into our crafts.
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Jason Glass on March 19, 2021, 05:40:08 pm
And here's another one, featuring a shout out to our very own moderator, Tim McCulloch.https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-an-evening-in-ontario-with-roy-clark-circa-1983/)

A great read, as usual, Ike!
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Steve-White on March 19, 2021, 07:40:53 pm
Yes, those were the days.  I had no clue what I was blindly walking into in the sound & light craft.  Having survived the late 70's & 80's, then traveled a good bit in an Aerospace job for 30+ years I sound like the guys I used listen to that traveled a lot when I hadn't yet.

Now, I'm a primadonna and world class prick - get it right or I'm loading it back in the truck and headed down the road.

In the beginning......in a state far far away.....central California - Friday October 13th 1978 and new mobile DJ hit the scene.  Wanting to blow away the competition I ran a pair of Altec A4's loaded with JBL 2205's and the Altec multi-cell horns atop.  Moved all that crap with a 1977 Chevy El Camino and it too at least 4 trips to move it each way.  Played a Barn Dance on Saturday night at a place called Horse World in the covered arena area.  Hay bales partitioned off a groomed part of one end of the arena.  Not too many showed up, guy that hired me was happy.  Took on load out that Sunday morning around 1am.  Went back Sunday around noon to make three more runs to pick up the Altec's and whatever else was left.

Had one A4 in the back of the El Camino and headed west down a country road named Copper avenue - rolled into the throttle gradually until it was to the floor around 50 MPH.  Secondaries wide open on the Quadrajet, 350 winding up, at 70 MPH right when it did the 2-3 shift to high gear I crested a slight hill in the road and looked into the rear view mirror as the A4 slid out the back of the elco at 75 MPH.  Fortunately nobody was in the oncoming lane at the time.  The box slid on it's back and drifted across the road sliding all the way off into the graveled shoulder, coming to stop about 100-150 yards from the launch point.  Stopped about 10' short of a mail box.

No damage, just scraped the back of the cabinet up, did some touchup with a little black rustoleum and kept on rockin.

Then, a year or so later playing a halloween dance at the Warnor's Entertainment Center Star Palace in Fresno, CA.  Took a hot water & dry ice fog machine up for the show.  Played between sets for a dance band.  After the show, rolled the 300+ lb 55 gallon fog machine into the kitchen to empty out via the floor drain.  Guess what?  The kitchen was some bootleg job, no floor drains.  The room was upstairs a flight of 20-25 steps and now way taking it down when full of water.  So, rolled it to the top of the stairs and opened up the drain - had the help watching for the house manager.  Coast was clear, got it emptied out and down the stairs into the truck and gone.

About 2 years later, had moved up to doing club sound for bands and had a couple or DJ's handling those jobs.  Bass player for one band I worked with worked for a booking/talent agency that had bands, DJ's, clowns, magicians and such.  Sun West Productions, which at that time had it's office downstairs under the Star Palace in the Warnor's Entertainment Complex.

I was telling the Fog Machine story one night and Steve, the bass player said one morning he came in to work and his desk was covered with water and they had no idea where it came from.

My first truck after the El Camino was a ~1960 Metro retired Milk Truck with a column shift, clutch slipped and front-end so worn out it would go into a high speed death wobble above ~50 MPH.  Red oxide primer paint job, blacked out windows in the back doors.

I wanted to do sound that bad - no regrets.  :) 
Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Scott Holtzman on March 19, 2021, 10:21:53 pm
The things one finds... although I moderate only my sodium intake. ;)

edit ps:  we need more mixerpersons and technicians like Cathy Bush.  With work on the horizon how can we - as an industry - find and mentor new crew that isn't just a bunch of old, grumpy, most white men?  Probably a topic for its own thread if we want to discuss, but I'm planting some thoughts... we're in for some rough times if we don't get new folks into our crafts.


Tim - I would be very interested in that.  Long before we had all these new terms getting women and minorities interested in STEM and aviation has been a passion.  Since my wife and I will leave behind no heirs we have been talking about estate planning and if life stays sane everything liquidated should endow a nice 10k or a little more perpetual scholarship for that space.  I can't think of a better way to honor my wife's son who was killed in Iraq than to name it after him. 


Anyway that's a little morbid.  We have been super blessed with two excellent women on our call list and we want to bring one of them on full time as our LD when things get back to normal.  As far as minority hires that has proven to be a bit of a challenge and I would love to hear what others have done. 



Title: Re: Road Stories...
Post by: Rick Powell on March 19, 2021, 11:35:56 pm
As far as minority hires that has proven to be a bit of a challenge and I would love to hear what others have done.

I think it is as simple as having minorities in your circle, and maybe being a provider for events that include a diverse mix of people where you may meet potential employees. The late, great Marty Bilecki had two young Black assistants...I am not sure how he found his employees, but he used to provide for a lot of events for Black churches in the area around his southwest suburban Chicago neighborhood. One of our local sound guys is Hispanic and has been a first call for the busiest sound provider in our area; he was a musician who took an interest in running sound, and excelled when provided with the opportunity.
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Post by: Steve-White on March 20, 2021, 03:02:40 am
^^^ I find 'em where I find 'em.  Met one guy at the bank one afternoon and introduced myself and asked him if he was interested in some side money.  Another young man was working as a bus boy at a place I frequent near my house.  Just started talking to him - when he introduced himself as ____ _______ Sr. it showed some pride in his family and son.  Hispanic and black minority guys that work hard and follow instructions.

Black white red brown or yellow, male or female - some want to work and some don't.  One thing that really helps is to pay them well, then expect them to perform well.
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Post by: Ike Zimbel on April 20, 2021, 02:49:20 pm
A great read, as usual, Ike!
Thanks Jason! Here's another one! https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-in-mixing-bar-band-harmonies-circa-the-late-1970s/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-in-mixing-bar-band-harmonies-circa-the-late-1970s/)
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Post by: John L Nobile on April 20, 2021, 05:50:08 pm
Thanks Jason! Here's another one! https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-in-mixing-bar-band-harmonies-circa-the-late-1970s/ (https://www.prosoundweb.com/road-stories-adventures-in-mixing-bar-band-harmonies-circa-the-late-1970s/)

Just read that Ike. Another good one. Keep 'em coming.

I'm always amazed at how much better my mixes are when the band is good.
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Post by: Riley Casey on April 20, 2021, 06:48:31 pm
I'm confused. Was it the Wild Bill guy and his PCP buddies singing these surprisingly good harmonies?
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Post by: Steve-White on April 20, 2021, 09:37:36 pm
Just read that Ike. Another good one. Keep 'em coming.

I'm always amazed at how much better my mixes are when the band is good.

Yes, I've found it generally helps.  :)

I did a sound job in the picnic area for a large recreational facility with a water park, lakes, gazebo picnic areas, the whole works.  Was some kind of business employee party.  They hired some classic rock bozo's and they couldn't even tune incorrectly off of one another.  Guitar, bass and drums were all over the place.  I left the roadie at the console, with instructions on how to pull gain if there was any feedback and went across the park far enough away to not hear it.

Worst sounding mess I've ever heard and the only un-tuned drum kit.  No sound check, just brought up the PA and did a mic and monitor check and they showed up, setup and started playing.  It sounded so schitty at first I turned a few eq knobs and moved a few faders then realized what was happening - grapped the roadie and left the area.
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Post by: Ike Zimbel on April 21, 2021, 11:23:34 am
I'm confused. Was it the Wild Bill guy and his PCP buddies singing these surprisingly good harmonies?
No sir. They were in on the Wednesday night and the matinee was on Saturday. Never saw the Wild Bill guy again but the "F**k You! Play some more!" encore request stayed with me, for some reason :P
The harmonies were from some guys who were covering CSNY tunes.