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Title: NYC Repack?
Post by: Mac Kerr on July 18, 2019, 01:37:24 PM
Anyone have any information on the major networks moving down in NYC? A friend called me to tell me he saw a scroll on CBS that they were moving to ch33(?) at the end of the month.

Mac
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Henry Cohen on July 18, 2019, 02:52:01 PM
Anyone have any information on the major networks moving down in NYC? A friend called me to tell me he saw a scroll on CBS that they were moving to ch33(?) at the end of the month.

CBS in NYC is currently on 33 and moving to 36 in this Phase 4 period, ending Aug 2. Any day now . . . 
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Pete Erskine on July 18, 2019, 04:22:37 PM
Anyone have any information on the major networks moving down in NYC? A friend called me to tell me he saw a scroll on CBS that they were moving to ch33(?) at the end of the month.

Mac

FOX ch 5 is moving as well - That is the message to rescan your OTA receivers On Aug 1

go to https://www.tvanswers.org/when.asp

Enter your zip code for TV moves

Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Scott Helmke on July 19, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
More to the point for your concern - they will likely be testing the new transmitter on its new frequency before they officially make the move. 
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Kevin Maxwell on July 19, 2019, 03:01:03 PM
FOX ch 5 is moving as well - That is the message to rescan your OTA receivers On Aug 1

go to https://www.tvanswers.org/when.asp

Enter your zip code for TV moves

Is there any place that gives that information like the link you included and also shows what frequencies they are on now and what the new ones they are moving to on those dates?

I talk to someone at Shure about a month ago asking for a list of where the stations in my area SW CT. are moving to and they said that due to something with the FCC some of that is still in flux.

I was working with a church that was adding some wireless IEMs and I wanted to come up with a frequency coordination that would be good before and after the repack transition. I have come up with what I hope will work for them for a while.
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Henry Cohen on July 19, 2019, 03:32:22 PM
Is there any place that gives that information like the link you included and also shows what frequencies they are on now and what the new ones they are moving to on those dates?

I talk to someone at Shure about a month ago asking for a list of where the stations in my area SW CT. are moving to and they said that due to something with the FCC some of that is still in flux.

I was working with a church that was adding some wireless IEMs and I wanted to come up with a frequency coordination that would be good before and after the repack transition. I have come up with what I hope will work for them for a while.

Rabbitears.info (https://www.rabbitears.info/static.php?name=repack_tools) is probably the simplest and best place to get all the available data in various correlations. It is however, only as good as the various FCC databases from which it draws the data, and those databases are not maintained as well as they used to be, but it works for the most part.

Unfortunately the FCC has not yet finalized the disposition of all the low power TV and translators, so that may present an unknown for what you're seeking.
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Paul McDermott on July 30, 2019, 01:01:38 AM
More to the point for your concern - they will likely be testing the new transmitter on its new frequency before they officially make the move.

NBC, CBS, FOX, & Telemundo have all announced to customers to rescan their TV's at 1:00pm on Thursday August 1st. I would suggest avoiding pre-repack and post-repack spectrum band for all TV channels relocating in phase 4.

Here is a link to a page on my website that shows pre-repack Spectral data and calculated spectral data that represents predicted post-repack spectral data. You can use this data to find "safe spaces" during the transition.

http://rfcoordinationnyc.com/repack-transition.html (http://rfcoordinationnyc.com/repack-transition.html)
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Henry Cohen on July 30, 2019, 12:45:33 PM
NBC, CBS, FOX, & Telemundo have all announced to customers to rescan their TV's at 1:00pm on Thursday August 1st. I would suggest avoiding pre-repack and post-repack spectrum band for all TV channels relocating in phase 4.

Here is a link to a page on my website that shows pre-repack Spectral data and calculated spectral data that represents predicted post-repack spectral data. You can use this data to find "safe spaces" during the transition.

http://rfcoordinationnyc.com/repack-transition.html (http://rfcoordinationnyc.com/repack-transition.html)

For those of you in the NYC metro area, or planning on stops here, Paul's website is a great detailed look at the RF landscape, both current and post repack (phase 4, which concludes Aug 2, and Phase 9, Mar 14 - May 01 2020).
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Rob Spence on July 30, 2019, 12:48:49 PM
Boston Globe today said broadcast stations here will move this week too. These would be the towers off I95 in Needham. CBS, ABC, Fox, PBS and others.
Told people to rescan.
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Pete Erskine on August 01, 2019, 04:42:59 PM
Here is a scan I did from Home in Mt. Vernon.
There may be more moves tomorrow but I am in the air then....

Download the CSV file for Aug 1 HERE (https://www.dropbox.com/s/giwbkp8zmssr2bj/Mt%20Vernon%20NY%20usa-roof%20of%20apartment-20190801-peter%20erskine.csv?dl=1)
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Mac Kerr on August 01, 2019, 04:49:14 PM
Here is a scan I did from Home in Mt. Vernon.
There may be more moves tomorrow but I am in the air then....

Download the CSV file for Aug 1 HERE (https://www.dropbox.com/s/giwbkp8zmssr2bj/Mt%20Vernon%20NY%20usa-roof%20of%20apartment-20190801-peter%20erskine.csv?dl=1)

Cool, looks like 6MHz more after the repack.

Except it looks like a couple of those blocked channels could have been used pre repack.

Mac
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Paul McDermott on August 02, 2019, 10:12:08 AM
Here is a scan I did from Home in Mt. Vernon.
There may be more moves tomorrow but I am in the air then....

I put scans up on my website yesterday 01AUG2019. Evidence indicates that Phase 4 of the repack has been completed. In the next couple days I will be validating the collected scan date with documentation from the FCC. I will also add any construction permits from low powered stations that may be broadcasting in the future.

Here is a link to the current scans
http://rfcoordinationnyc.com/nyc-rf-uhf.html (http://rfcoordinationnyc.com/nyc-rf-uhf.html)
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: John Sulek on August 11, 2019, 04:57:33 AM
Here is an inside scan for Madison Square Garden.
I'll get an outside one tomorrow when the day is not so full.
Also uploaded to IAS.
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: John Sulek on August 12, 2019, 12:00:55 PM
Here is an inside scan for Madison Square Garden.
I'll get an outside one tomorrow when the day is not so full.
Also uploaded to IAS.

And here is an outside scan from across the street outside the 8 Penn entrance.
TV channels 18-20 were totally usable inside the arena.
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Scott Helmke on August 12, 2019, 05:36:41 PM
And here is an outside scan from across the street outside the 8 Penn entrance.
TV channels 18-20 were totally usable inside the arena.

That does look like it has some non-TV activity up in the B block.
Title: Re: NYC Repack?
Post by: Henry Cohen on August 12, 2019, 08:54:22 PM
That does look like it has some non-TV activity up in the B block.

T-Mobile lit up their B block in the NY market last spring.