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There is a very real use case for a Touchmix level mixer in the small AV market and the Touchmix has gotten traction there mostly because there are no other real "Name" alternatives. It'll be interesting to see if this hits that market segment as Yamaha is still the first choice for AV/Corporate from the smallest rooms to the biggest rooms.

I agree with this. Touchmix fills a niche for a small footprint mixer that needs to have a control surface but can also be remote controlled with a tablet. Touchmix is OK enough for many applications.

Products without built in controls are deal breakers for most of my applications. For a number of reasons they are a PITA. There's not really a whole lot in this segment. If the Touchmix had recallable preamps it would be much better... Which I'm sure Yamaha could do economically.

What do you think of these drum channel layouts?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JYzyhGq3wntzM3x48F9DnHDYWCWmNEzznP0U5J3pCyo/edit?usp=sharing

My plan is to have Elite Core build me a custom drum snake that makes deploying drum mics silly fast.

Hey all, here's my latest https://www.prosoundweb.com/listen-to-this-a-console-upgrade-turns-into-a-lesson-on-the-sonic-quality-of-tracks/
Bit of a departure from RF and Road Stories but has some relevance to the "PA Test Tracks" thread.
Thanks for reading!

Update: Here's a link to some music that was recorded in the studio in the article, tracked and mixed on the MCI-628 by the engineer that I worked with on it.
Alt Country act Massey Harris https://youtu.be/jV8b1c8g6g0
Jazz! Avi Granite https://youtu.be/HutyEys9xgE

And here's some more:
Female Vocal and String Ensemble: Art of Time Ensemble feat Sarah Slean https://youtu.be/irKplbK8ljM

Thanks for the help and ideas guys! I truly appreciate it.

I think I'm going to pick up a Presonus StudioLive 16 Series III and make the most of it.

Take care,

Adam

I dont know if I would be targeting the Touchmix, does not seem to be very popular I have never seen one in the wild....

There is a very real use case for a Touchmix level mixer in the small AV market and the Touchmix has gotten traction there mostly because there are no other real "Name" alternatives. It'll be interesting to see if this hits that market segment as Yamaha is still the first choice for AV/Corporate from the smallest rooms to the biggest rooms.

Ducking and use of external side chain processing is an old widely used studio trick. In live sound there can be other subtle issues.

 I would lower your expectations and start experimenting. If you can at a band practice all the better.

JR

For the A&H SQ the channel compressor can be keyed to another channel, and it you can select what frequencies it is looking at, this would effectively accomplish what you are looking for. While technically this would be compressing everything rather than a specific frequency (such as a dynamic EQ or multi band compressor) the result, since it is frequency specific, is close enough.

The most advanced tool for live, that I have found, is having a Waves setup running the F6 plugin, this offers 6 dynamic EQ bands which can be activated by a 2nd source per instance of the F6 plugin; however I would presume that Waves would be cost prohibitive for your setup.

Quick follow up...

I found an article describing something like what you're suggesting with the SQ on the presonus page.

Does this sound like the same thing as what you're describing or am I off base?

"The key filter can be sidechained to another channel. Sidechaining has many uses. You can use sidechained key filter to tighten up a rhythm section by sidechaining the kick drum channel to the bass channel and setting the gate to open at the frequency of the kick drum. This, combined with a fast attack and release, will make your rhythm section more cohesive. Increase the release time to loosen the feel." emphasis mine

In my case I'd key to the vocal range instead of a kick...

Thanks again

Adam

I dont know if I would be targeting the Touchmix, does not seem to be very popular I have never seen one in the wild....

Depending on what your hardware is capable of, you could split the music into several input channels, EQ drastically to create frequency bands, and side-chain compress the appropriate channel(s) with the voice signal.

Hi Adam, the device you likely want to use in this application is a ducker. The ducker would be inserted on the music and the key or trigger input of the ducker would be the voice. In the past there were hardware units that were specific to this task (Symetrix 306 comes to mind) but now many digital consoles have this feature built in.

To get this to sound natural some adjustment between the threshold, depth of attenuation, hold and release is necessary. As a starting point I would suggest between 3-6db of attenuation to start. Deeper attenuation will sound increasingly more unnatural.

The A&H QU series does support a ducker as a channel insert.

Okay that's great to know and thank you for eh specific attenuation suggestion.