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Title: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 24, 2012, 07:36:20 PM
1: Is there any way to link solos on Stereo Auxes?  I'm mixing IEMs from a Pro2, and in order to both hear and see the flipped faders, I have to hit solo on BOTH auxes (one of each side of the stereo), and hit select under it. 

2: Is there any way to link solos on Stereo Channels?  iPod playback even with channels linked solo up separately, left and right, I'd like to have them both come up together.

3: Is there any way to darken the screen?

I'm sure I have other questions... Just can't think of them yet...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on September 24, 2012, 08:04:37 PM

1: Is there any way to link solos on Stereo Auxes?  I'm mixing IEMs from a Pro2, and in order to both hear and see the flipped faders, I have to hit solo on BOTH auxes (one of each side of the stereo), and hit select under it. 
Select your aux to the left of the pair you want to be linked. Hit config for that channel and next to the link button you will see link opt then select solo.  This will link the solo's together for that pair of channels.

2: Is there any way to link solos on Stereo Channels?  iPod playback even with channels linked solo up separately, left and right, I'd like to have them both come up together.
Same way you link aux's (look above)

3: Is there any way to darken the screen?
Go to preferences then to the user tab and you will see up and down arrows in the upper right corner that say screen brightness.  This is scoped to save on a per scene basis.

I'm sure I have other questions... Just can't think of them yet...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: John durisko on September 24, 2012, 09:37:30 PM
1: Is there any way to link solos on Stereo Auxes?  I'm mixing IEMs from a Pro2, and in order to both hear and see the flipped faders, I have to hit solo on BOTH auxes (one of each side of the stereo), and hit select under it. 

2: Is there any way to link solos on Stereo Channels?  iPod playback even with channels linked solo up separately, left and right, I'd like to have them both come up together.

3: Is there any way to darken the screen?

I'm sure I have other questions... Just can't think of them yet...


As for linking auxes you can also go to preferences and select linking options and select your choices and apply them globally.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 25, 2012, 12:52:12 AM
I'll check that out tomorrow, thanks!



As for linking auxes you can also go to preferences and select linking options and select your choices and apply them globally.

Linking solos isn't possible in that menu... Which is why I couldn't find the above mentioned option.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on September 25, 2012, 12:58:18 AM
I'll check that out tomorrow, thanks!


Linking solos isn't possible in that menu... Which is why I couldn't find the above mentioned option.

Do you have software version 2.05R?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 26, 2012, 02:54:23 AM
Do you have software version 2.05R?

Where do you find the channel config to link solos?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 26, 2012, 02:57:11 AM
New question: how exactly does the storing of files work?

There are show files, and scenes, but for some reason I am under the impression that the show file when saved doesn't load a scene like I usually think it would...  What's saved in a show file and what is scoped in a scene?

If I was saving multiple shows on a tour, how would you suggest doing it?
I'm not using scenes for songs yet...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on September 26, 2012, 03:04:38 AM
Where do you find the channel config to link solos?

Under link options on the "linking" tab in preferences menu.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on September 26, 2012, 03:09:45 AM
New question: how exactly does the storing of files work?

There are show files, and scenes, but for some reason I am under the impression that the show file when saved doesn't load a scene like I usually think it would...  What's saved in a show file and what is scoped in a scene?

If I was saving multiple shows on a tour, how would you suggest doing it?
I'm not using scenes for songs yet...

This is something I think Midas needs to change.  You must save at least one scene in every show file.  If you save just scenes for each band in a single show file then you can jump from one band to the next by hitting next or last buttons.  It will change with out warning.  So scenes are really made for a song by song setup.  If you want to save band by band then you must create a show file and again at least one scene with in that show file. 

Midas should make it so that you can save scene by scene with a option to confirm scene changes.

BW
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on September 26, 2012, 07:52:44 AM

Does anyone know if the AUX sends can be pre fader and pre or post EQ?
As per this thread on soundforums - http://soundforums.net/product-reviews/2470-midas-pro-2-a.html

Peter
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 26, 2012, 11:51:30 AM
This is something I think Midas needs to change.  You must save at least one scene in every show file.  If you save just scenes for each band in a single show file then you can jump from one band to the next by hitting next or last buttons.  It will change with out warning.  So scenes are really made for a song by song setup.  If you want to save band by band then you must create a show file and again at least one scene with in that show file. 

Midas should make it so that you can save scene by scene with a option to confirm scene changes.

BW

Alright, that's what I thought, and I've been saving every day as a new file AND scene in said file. 

So basically the file is saving preferences?

And the scene is saving literally everything else? Gains, patching, fader, pan, eq, dynamics, vca assignments, group/matrices, and fx?

So by default the scene scoped EVERYTHING?  What if I wanted to build scenes for the actual show that DIDN'T scope everything.  At that point I would have to make a scene that has EVERYTHING for saving purposes, and then have the rest of the scenes after that scoped with only needed parameters?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on September 27, 2012, 05:19:39 AM
So, got my hands on one yesterday for the first time and I've a few questions.

How do you reset the desk, back to a totally clear/cleaned desk?

I ticked all the reset buttons in the config menu, but there was no "default" scene or library.
I had to go through the desk and manually reset every EQ/Gain/channel name/VCA etc by copy and pasting a blank channel onto every input. Once I'd reset all the names back to normal I then saved it as a default channel library. Surely these should be in the desk as standard?

Sadly I failed to check operating system, but its brand new, off the self, so imagine its v1.0.

A/B Cue bus.
How do you route items to the B cue bus?
I was trying to have say wedges on A, IEM's on B, is this easily done? I saw the broadcast function to have mixes on A, solo's on B.. that sounds awesome!

Quick way to get faders to unity?

What does the effects label sheet do?
I've labelled FX and GEQ's but didn't notice where they then appear?

If you select Aux, then config, I assume the "set all contributions Pre/Post" makes every channel pre/post to that selected aux?
I'm away from the desk now, so not something I can easily test.

channel compressor, key listen?
I could hear the compressor effecting the frequency I was sweeping to, so compressor was working, however when pressing "listen", nothing would happen. I tried pressing and holding, double tapping etc.
Again I'm sure this is another setting somewhere.


Many thanks.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Árni F. Sigurðsson on September 27, 2012, 10:16:51 AM
How do you reset the desk, back to a totally clear/cleaned desk?

Each show has a "safe scene" with you can recall to get an empty board.

How do you route items to the B cue bus?
somewhere on the track bar there is a "B" button, if I remember correctly it's in the channel head view (where gain, trim, link and HPB is)

Quick way to get faders to unity?
Haven't found a quick way, but when setting up a board for a monitor mix I usually take channel 1, put it to unity, then "copy all" and "paste to all". Then that channel settings get copied to every other channel.

What does the effects label sheet do?
I have at least seen it when the FX window is open and I open up the effect machine, then the name is in the top left drop-down menu (where you can change between effect machines)

Other things I've not tried. and I've only worked on the Pro6/9

Maybe someone has a better way to do things.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 27, 2012, 07:02:03 PM
Under link options on the "linking" tab in preferences menu.

This is what I see in that menu, there is nothing related to solos
Input controls
Direct output
Filters
Dynamics
Eq
Bus sends
Master routing
Fader
Delay
Mute

And I'm on a week old pro2, it's V1.15.04 software
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 27, 2012, 07:04:09 PM
This is something I think Midas needs to change.  You must save at least one scene in every show file.  If you save just scenes for each band in a single show file then you can jump from one band to the next by hitting next or last buttons.  It will change with out warning.  So scenes are really made for a song by song setup.  If you want to save band by band then you must create a show file and again at least one scene with in that show file. 

Midas should make it so that you can save scene by scene with a option to confirm scene changes.

BW

So in the automation page, the "save" button at the top is related to the show file, and not the scene right?  So you can just hit "store scene" and then "save" at the top... And be good to go?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on September 28, 2012, 01:36:10 AM
So in the automation page, the "save" button at the top is related to the show file, and not the scene right?  So you can just hit "store scene" and then "save" at the top... And be good to go?

Yes that is correct.  The SAVE saves the show.  Store saves the scene with in the show file.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on September 28, 2012, 01:40:40 AM
This is what I see in that menu, there is nothing related to solos
Input controls
Direct output
Filters
Dynamics
Eq
Bus sends
Master routing
Fader
Delay
Mute

And I'm on a week old pro2, it's V1.15.04 software

Call Midas tech support and get a drop box link to the updated software to version 2.05R.  Then you will get a lot more effects to choose form and POP group color spill will work and you can link solo's.  Ask for Philip when you call he dropped me the link.  Oh you also get the fader level indicated in db's on the select LCD button / screen when moving a fader.

I would email you the link but they have to invite you.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on September 28, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
To answer some of my own questions, after further chance to have a play:

How do you reset the desk, back to a totally clear/cleaned desk?
ah yes, as Árni F. Sigurðsson mentioned.
I thought scene 0 was just there to show where labels where, didn't think it actually loaded! DOH


How do you route items to the B cue bus?
I was trying to have say wedges on A, IEM's on B, is this easily done? I saw the broadcast function to have mixes on A, solo's on B.. that sounds awesome!
Yup as Árni F. Sigurðsson mentioned above, the B on each channel/output etc,


Quick way to get faders to unity?
Yup copy all and paste all, thanks Árni F. Sigurðsson.


What does the effects label sheet do?
I've labelled FX and GEQ's but didn't notice where they then appear?
Appears in the drop down menu, when specifying what feeds a FX or GEQ.


If you select Aux, then config, I assume the "set all contributions Pre/Post" makes every channel pre/post to that selected aux?
I'm away from the desk now, so not something I can easily test.
Yup, it changes every channel to pre/post send.


channel compressor, key listen?
I could hear the compressor effecting the frequency I was sweeping to, so compressor was working, however when pressing "listen", nothing would happen. I tried pressing and holding, double tapping etc.
When pressing listen, the key listen mode is routed to local monitors only (inc headphones), full range audio remains going to master bus. Makes perfect sense!
You don't want to accidentally hit 'listen' during show and have only 6kHz of the Lead vox hit the audience!!!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 28, 2012, 08:17:07 PM
Call Midas tech support and get a drop box link to the updated software to version 2.05R.  Then you will get a lot more effects to choose form and POP group color spill will work and you can link solo's.  Ask for Philip when you call he dropped me the link.  Oh you also get the fader level indicated in db's on the select LCD button / screen when moving a fader.

I would email you the link but they have to invite you.


Sounds good, thanks for the info!

I've heard from many though, that V2 isn't stable yet, and even Midas hasn't been recommending upgrading yet...  If this untrue?



I would LOVE a default button, for setting pans to center, faders to unity, sends to unity, EQ gain to 0dB... Much like the Avid desks... Hold 'default' and click the parameter you wish to reset.  I miss that... a lot...

I also miss the patching screen therein you can actually see all of the input patches in one place on one screen. Or outputs, or whatnot.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on September 29, 2012, 02:07:54 AM

Sounds good, thanks for the info!

I've heard from many though, that V2 isn't stable yet, and even Midas hasn't been recommending upgrading yet...  If this untrue?



I would LOVE a default button, for setting pans to center, faders to unity, sends to unity, EQ gain to 0dB... Much like the Avid desks... Hold 'default' and click the parameter you wish to reset.  I miss that... a lot...

I also miss the patching screen therein you can actually see all of the input patches in one place on one screen. Or outputs, or whatnot.

Version 2.00 was unstable  2.05R is good to go.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 29, 2012, 04:32:30 AM
Version 2.00 was unstable  2.05R is good to go.

 ;D
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on September 29, 2012, 04:14:50 PM
Is there any way to link a pair of faders, but have ONLY one of them show up in a pop group?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on September 29, 2012, 05:25:03 PM
I guess it's just me, but it seems that Midas has dropped the ball on supporting their creations in a timely and effective manner, but the Midas cool aid drinkers will still flock to the purple paint.

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Árni F. Sigurðsson on September 30, 2012, 11:12:37 AM
Is there any way to link a pair of faders, but have ONLY one of them show up in a pop group?

If I remember correctly there is a check box in the preference called "overlay sterio pairs" or something like that. can't remember the exact name but it's there (on a Pro9)

Does the same for VCA's and pop groups.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Darren Scaresbrook on September 30, 2012, 09:47:04 PM
I guess it's just me, but it seems that Midas has dropped the ball on supporting their creations in a timely and effective manner, but the Midas cool aid drinkers will still flock to the purple paint.
Hi Tim,
I've been thinking about going the Pro2 route, so I'm keen to hear peoples experiences.

Can you let us know what issues you have had?

I know the Gen2 firmware originally needed a bug fixed, but that has been fixed and is good to go. Jason from Midas kept everyone filled in on what was happening there.

Were your issues hardware or software related, and in what way did Midas support let you down?

I'm looking for a console that has great backup after a recent incident I have had with another manufacturers board.

Cheers,
Darren
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on September 30, 2012, 10:48:32 PM
Darren, check your PMs.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 01, 2012, 05:52:51 PM
If I remember correctly there is a check box in the preference called "overlay sterio pairs" or something like that. can't remember the exact name but it's there (on a Pro9)

Does the same for VCA's and pop groups.

Definitely works for vca, doesn't work for pop groups
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 02, 2012, 02:17:27 AM
Definitely works for vca, doesn't work for pop groups

Oops I'm full of it... It does work, it just took a minute for it to do it.

God this desk sounds phenomenal...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Árni F. Sigurðsson on October 02, 2012, 07:36:59 AM
Oops I'm full of it... It does work, it just took a minute for it to do it.

God this desk sounds phenomenal...

I think you have to close the pop group and open it again to see the results if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 02, 2012, 08:26:38 PM
I think you have to close the pop group and open it again to see the results if I remember correctly.

Exactly... ^^
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 04, 2012, 06:51:53 AM
Exactly... ^^

Ryan I've been on vacation the last week, hence my silence on this set of posts. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Direct email: jason.kelly@music-group.com

You can also contact my new colleague in the US, Kyle Chirnside: kyle.chirnside@music-group.com

We'll do our best to help.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 07, 2012, 07:29:34 AM
Just chiming in here.... Been using the pro2c on a theatre tour for about a month now. I absolutely love the sound of it. Also running into some questions, maybe some of you guys can shine a light :-)

Normally, if during a soundcheck i want to send something to a matrix or an aux send, I tend to hit the aux (or matrix) select button, use the flip function and use the faders to send some signal...BUT, since the default state of the channel's sends is off, I first haveto select the channel, go to the correct aux bank, switch it on, and then I can send out some level....

Is there anyway to speed up this proces? There always is the option of setting all the sends on every channel to on while you are prepping the show, but I'm hoping there is a digico-like sollution, where the send is turned on the moment you push up the fader......
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on October 07, 2012, 08:26:54 PM
Just chiming in here.... Been using the pro2c on a theatre tour for about a month now. I absolutely love the sound of it. Also running into some questions, maybe some of you guys can shine a light :-)

Normally, if during a soundcheck i want to send something to a matrix or an aux send, I tend to hit the aux (or matrix) select button, use the flip function and use the faders to send some signal...BUT, since the default state of the channel's sends is off, I first haveto select the channel, go to the correct aux bank, switch it on, and then I can send out some level....

Is there anyway to speed up this proces? There always is the option of setting all the sends on every channel to on while you are prepping the show, but I'm hoping there is a digico-like sollution, where the send is turned on the moment you push up the fader......

In flip mode, hold the Aux select button down for the mix you want to send to and then push the select LCD for the channel you want to turn on.  You also need to be in collapse flip mode.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 08, 2012, 02:43:16 PM
Is there any way to view the status of the desk's connection with the DL251 or any stage box that's hooked up?

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 08, 2012, 03:13:01 PM
Is there any way to view the status of the desk's connection with the DL251 or any stage box that's hooked up?

On the top of most screens you'll find the 'status' button. Press it and you'll get a visual of your whole setup and the status if all connected blue boxes. Is this what you're looking for?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 10, 2012, 06:17:41 PM
On the top of most screens you'll find the 'status' button. Press it and you'll get a visual of your whole setup and the status if all connected blue boxes. Is this what you're looking for?

That's exactly it, thank you!


Is there a way to reorder scenes easily?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kegan Norris on October 10, 2012, 09:20:40 PM
Ran across this post tonight and was hoping to get a little Pro3 help.

First: When in "Normal" solo mode, what should happen when I solo an input?
The way I read the manual it seems that the input should go to both solo buses and both headphone outputs, when I hit a solo button on the surface but this doesn't seem to happen.
Is monitor and solo A connected to headphone a and monitor and solo b connected to headphone b?
Should the solo B button have any function in normal mode?

Second: How does the outputs on VCAs quick key function in Gen2 work?

Third: Should the *copy, *paste, *link quick keys work?


Thanks for the help!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on October 11, 2012, 05:13:20 AM
Pro2:
Anyone notice that on 2.05r moving fader from unity up to +10, doesn't make much difference and on the GUI it actually only states +6, not the +10 marked on the fader?

Also the virtual DN370's don't really behave like I'd expect a actual 370 to behave. When cutting/boosting, the cuts don't seem anywhere near as large as on a normal graphic.. I've tried changing to constant Q, but still doesn't seem to make the cuts I'd expect.
It feels like the Graphic is set to 6dB cuts, rather than usual 12dB or 24dB....
The EQ sounds lovely, I'm just expecting more radical changes.. and worries me if I came across a particular bad monitor or horrific environment, whether I'd have enough "cutting" power!

Its not a massive issue, as I tend to use Parametrics.. but I'd like to know if others have come across this, or whether its simple a setting (though I've been through manual, and trawled the desk)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 11, 2012, 08:06:32 PM
That's exactly it, thank you!


Is there a way to reorder scenes easily?

In the Automation screen (The one where all your scenes are listed) click the 'reorder scenes' button... The boxes on the right side of the screen will change to a box with an arrow in it... press these boxes in the new order and the 'reorder scnes' button again and you're done....
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 11, 2012, 08:12:08 PM
Does anybody know if the contents of MCA's are by definition the same ase the VCA's? To clarify: I would like to be able to give my musicians, who are mixing their own monitors on 4 iPads, a different set of MCA's than the VCA's I'm using for FOH. I tried selecting and changing the contents of an MCA in the VCA-screen, but this resulted in my VCA's changing as well..

Wow, reading back these sentences makes me dizzy... Hope you guys catch my drift.....
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on October 11, 2012, 08:52:01 PM
Does anybody know if the contents of MCA's are by definition the same ase the VCA's? To clarify: I would like to be able to give my musicians, who are mixing their own monitors on 4 iPads, a different set of MCA's than the VCA's I'm using for FOH. I tried selecting and changing the contents of an MCA in the VCA-screen, but this resulted in my VCA's changing as well..

Wow, reading back these sentences makes me dizzy... Hope you guys catch my drift.....

MCA's are exact copies of your VCA assignments.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 11, 2012, 08:54:51 PM
MCA's are exact copies of your VCA assignments.

Too bad.... well....that means it's time to compromise! :-)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Glass on October 11, 2012, 09:56:57 PM
In the Automation screen (The one where all your scenes are listed) click the 'reorder scenes' button... The boxes on the right side of the screen will change to a box with an arrow in it... press these boxes in the new order and the 'reorder scnes' button again and you're done....

FYI, be sure that you mute your amps before you do this!  My touring rig with a Pro9, three DL431's, and two DL451's generated a big 'boom" in all our wedges and IEMs every time I recalled the next scene after this procedure and forgot to kill the amps.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 12, 2012, 03:19:07 AM
I tried selecting and changing the contents of an MCA in the VCA-screen, but this resulted in my VCA's changing as well..

It was the same when I did it, it changed both
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on October 12, 2012, 04:46:07 AM
MCA's are exact copies of your VCA assignments.

Wait what? My understanding was that MCAs are VCAs but for pre-fade AUX busses
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 12, 2012, 06:04:21 AM
Wait what? My understanding was that MCAs are VCAs but for pre-fade AUX busses

Me too .... "Assigning MCA groups to the mix bay (MCA) — the mix faders can operate as
mix control associates (MCAs), where the aux sends on multiple input channels have
an associated master fader that provides overall control."

http://www.midasconsoles.com/manuals.php  - Pg 45 Pro 2 Manual
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 12, 2012, 06:35:19 AM
Me too .... "Assigning MCA groups to the mix bay (MCA) — the mix faders can operate as
mix control associates (MCAs), where the aux sends on multiple input channels have
an associated master fader that provides overall control."

http://www.midasconsoles.com/manuals.php  - Pg 45 Pro 2 Manual

We're talking two different matters here. Both of you are right. MCA's are indeed VCA-style control for a set of AUX-attributes. My question was regarding the assignment of channels to these MCA's.

I was hoping that for each Aux Master, you could create a different set of MCA's. For instance: the drummer would have Kick, rest of his kit and keys, while the keyboard player would have the kit, keyboard 1 and keyboard 2. In this example I could fix them up with all their wishes, but in real life a band with four musicians will have different needs that won't all fitt together within 8 groups. Also, it forces me to to compromise in the VCA's I would like to use for my for FOH mix.

As it apparently turns out now, this is not possible. Every Aux Master Has the same set of MCA's in regard of the channel assignment.

If somebody can proof me, Brian and Ryan wrong...please! :-)

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 12, 2012, 06:41:26 AM
FYI, be sure that you mute your amps before you do this!  My touring rig with a Pro9, three DL431's, and two DL451's generated a big 'boom" in all our wedges and IEMs every time I recalled the next scene after this procedure and forgot to kill the amps.

Wow, talking about a usefull tip! Was this a situation in which patches where changed in between scenes? Or did the input/output situation stay the same?

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Glass on October 12, 2012, 10:21:08 AM
Wow, talking about a usefull tip! Was this a situation in which patches where changed in between scenes? Or did the input/output situation stay the same?

Hi Casjan,

I/O was the same.  I often moved scenes around to accommodate new set lists.

BTW, it happened when all inputs and outputs were muted on the console.  I'm still not 100% sure if it was the DL431's or the DL451's (which I had configured as 24 outputs, to drive my wedges and IEMs) that were generating the spike.  Our DL431's were shared between FOH and monitors, and the FOH guys didn't see the spike when I recalled the monitor desk, so I suspect the DL451's.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 12, 2012, 10:50:24 AM
That's exactly it, thank you!


Is there a way to reorder scenes easily?

Use the 'Reorder Scenes' function on the automation page. Button in bottom right hand corner of the screen.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 12, 2012, 11:00:40 AM
Ran across this post tonight and was hoping to get a little Pro3 help.

First: When in "Normal" solo mode, what should happen when I solo an input?
The way I read the manual it seems that the input should go to both solo buses and both headphone outputs, when I hit a solo button on the surface but this doesn't seem to happen.
Is monitor and solo A connected to headphone a and monitor and solo b connected to headphone b?
Should the solo B button have any function in normal mode?
Solo A feeds monitor output A and headphones. Monitor B is a separate stereo solo bus, you can only route inputs and outputs to either A or B. Assigning a channel to Monitor B can be done by selecting the 'master section' (where the Pan knob is) on the detail strip and clicking on the 'B' button underneath the solo.

Second: How does the outputs on VCAs quick key function in Gen2 work?
This currently has no function.

Third: Should the *copy, *paste, *link quick keys work?
These also currently have no function.

Thanks for the help!

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 12, 2012, 11:13:56 AM
Hi Casjan,

I/O was the same.  I often moved scenes around to accommodate new set lists.

BTW, it happened when all inputs and outputs were muted on the console.  I'm still not 100% sure if it was the DL431's or the DL451's (which I had configured as 24 outputs, to drive my wedges and IEMs) that were generating the spike.  Our DL431's were shared between FOH and monitors, and the FOH guys didn't see the spike when I recalled the monitor desk, so I suspect the DL451's.

With V1.14 of PRO9 software when reordering scenes the Automation system had to recall scene 0 (the 'safe') scene to release the rest of the scenes to be reordered. Scene 0 contains no patching data and resets all parameters back to 'factory defaults'. This can cause pops from outputs from i/o boxes, particularly AES3 connections. As the AES clock gets reset.

In the new software release (G2.05.02) the reorder function no longer needs to load Scene 0, but keeps the currently active scene loaded, so this should avoid this issue from now on. PRO1 and PRO2 already have this change incorporated in the software.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 12, 2012, 11:16:12 AM
We're talking two different matters here. Both of you are right. MCA's are indeed VCA-style control for a set of AUX-attributes. My question was regarding the assignment of channels to these MCA's.

I was hoping that for each Aux Master, you could create a different set of MCA's. For instance: the drummer would have Kick, rest of his kit and keys, while the keyboard player would have the kit, keyboard 1 and keyboard 2. In this example I could fix them up with all their wishes, but in real life a band with four musicians will have different needs that won't all fitt together within 8 groups. Also, it forces me to to compromise in the VCA's I would like to use for my for FOH mix.

As it apparently turns out now, this is not possible. Every Aux Master Has the same set of MCA's in regard of the channel assignment.

Just a thought, but have you thought about using 'Collapsed Flip' mode in conjunction with MCA's? It might help.

If somebody can proof me, Brian and Ryan wrong...please! :-)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Glass on October 12, 2012, 11:39:01 AM

In the new software release (G2.05.02) the reorder function no longer needs to load Scene 0, but keeps the currently active scene loaded, so this should avoid this issue from now on. PRO1 and PRO2 already have this change incorporated in the software.

Hi Jason,

Thanks for the explanation and the fix!  One more +1 for the best sounding system that I have ever had the pleasure of carrying on tour.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 12, 2012, 12:23:34 PM
Hi Jason,

Thanks for the explanation and the fix!  One more +1 for the best sounding system that I have ever had the pleasure of carrying on tour.

We are glad you are enjoying your experience!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kegan Norris on October 13, 2012, 03:59:48 PM


Thanks for the help Jason.
Quick follow up...
All the quick key preferences except Outputs on VCA should be functioning, correct? (speaking of the options within the preferences menu: OPonVCA, FX, GEQ, Home, MCA)
When this function is implemented will it simply allow you to put outputs in groups of 8 on the VCA faders as you can on the Pro2?


Thanks again!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tom Regis on October 15, 2012, 07:22:59 PM
Was on my first Midas console this weekend and loved the sound, but there was one thing the local tech couldn't explain.

I like to know where my knobs are exactly and the controls for the onboard EQ/Dynamics of the console aren't very specific.  This isn't a problem with the option the tech showed me that showed the value every time I touched a knob.  Then I realized something... the values DON'T match the knob position!?!
He said he had never seen it before and it must be a GenII problem.    I went and checked the consoles at monitors and broadcast and both of them had the same problem.  I would estimate that 75% of the controls for EQ, Gate, and Comp did not display correct values.
I was considering taking one on our next tour, but this makes me slightly uncomfortable.
Has anyone else encountered this or know of a calibration fix?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 16, 2012, 01:52:19 AM
I'm still on V1, and they're seemingly accurate.


Although, hitting the Listen button in the Dynamic EQ does it in a SIP fashion, and I stupidly assumed it would solo that through cans...  That's not really useful
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 16, 2012, 06:56:12 AM
Thanks for the help Jason.
Quick follow up...
All the quick key preferences except Outputs on VCA should be functioning, correct? (speaking of the options within the preferences menu: OPonVCA, FX, GEQ, Home, MCA)
When this function is implemented will it simply allow you to put outputs in groups of 8 on the VCA faders as you can on the Pro2?


Thanks again!
That is pretty much it. It will allow outputs to be brought down onto the VCA faders, as per PRO2/1.


There's still a lot of work we need to do on this one.

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 16, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
Was on my first Midas console this weekend and loved the sound, but there was one thing the local tech couldn't explain.

I like to know where my knobs are exactly and the controls for the onboard EQ/Dynamics of the console aren't very specific.  This isn't a problem with the option the tech showed me that showed the value every time I touched a knob.  Then I realized something... the values DON'T match the knob position!?!
He said he had never seen it before and it must be a GenII problem.    I went and checked the consoles at monitors and broadcast and both of them had the same problem.  I would estimate that 75% of the controls for EQ, Gate, and Comp did not display correct values.
I was considering taking one on our next tour, but this makes me slightly uncomfortable.
Has anyone else encountered this or know of a calibration fix?


This is a bug in G-II. The position of the pot of the screen is correct and the number is wrong (turn the numbers off!). There is an incorrect formula that converts a 'DSP number' into a number we can all use and understand. This will be corrected as soon as we can pull a few other bug fixes together into an interim release.

Hope this helps,
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on October 16, 2012, 07:02:49 AM
Was on my first Midas console this weekend and loved the sound, but there was one thing the local tech couldn't explain.

I like to know where my knobs are exactly and the controls for the onboard EQ/Dynamics of the console aren't very specific.  This isn't a problem with the option the tech showed me that showed the value every time I touched a knob.  Then I realized something... the values DON'T match the knob position!?!
He said he had never seen it before and it must be a GenII problem.    I went and checked the consoles at monitors and broadcast and both of them had the same problem.  I would estimate that 75% of the controls for EQ, Gate, and Comp did not display correct values.
I was considering taking one on our next tour, but this makes me slightly uncomfortable.
Has anyone else encountered this or know of a calibration fix?

I've also found this.... I ignored the legend, but quite a major issue for a major update release.. surely things like this should never leave the development office???

Issues I have in 2.05r:

anyone have a copy of first generation software? Think I'd like to go back to original software
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 16, 2012, 12:11:45 PM
I've also found this.... I ignored the legend, but quite a major issue for a major update release.. surely things like this should never leave the development office???

Issues I have in 2.05r:
  • store scene GUI button stopped working, few head scratching, console "store" button continued to work, thankfully.
  • moving fader from unity to +10, no real increase
  • as mentioned above, dials/numbers no-where near actual value on eq/comps/etc
  • solo's not linking, even though link options all ticked. Everything else is linking well though
  • user defined dials not closing when leave page. For example use dials to change a Graphic eq, hit home, dials are still on grahpic, even though window is closed.
anyone have a copy of first generation software? Think I'd like to go back to original software


Red faces all round here about the numerical values. But ultimately it was not a critical issue and we decided not to hold off release, as this would have meant probably another 2 week delay.

I'll PM you about the other issues you've mentioned, I want to clarify a couple of things.

Hope this helps,
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on October 17, 2012, 07:37:44 AM

Red faces all round here about the numerical values. But ultimately it was not a critical issue and we decided not to hold off release, as this would have meant probably another 2 week delay.

I'll PM you about the other issues you've mentioned, I want to clarify a couple of things.

Hope this helps,

Why not share these clarifications on the board here? For one, I'm quite interested, and I guess there are some more people who wouldlike to read them...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on October 17, 2012, 10:15:27 AM
Why not share these clarifications on the board here? For one, I'm quite interested, and I guess there are some more people who wouldlike to read them...

+1
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 18, 2012, 05:42:39 AM
I would like to be able to stay on selected channel even when viewing a pop group that doesn't have tht channel in it... IMO unless I select another channel, the currently selected channel should stay selected, even if I can't see the fader...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 18, 2012, 06:54:16 AM
I would like to be able to stay on selected channel even when viewing a pop group that doesn't have tht channel in it... IMO unless I select another channel, the currently selected channel should stay selected, even if I can't see the fader...

Thanks Ryan, completely understand your point. I've added this to the feature list, I'll try and get it added as soon as I can.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 20, 2012, 04:57:38 AM
Thanks Ryan, completely understand your point. I've added this to the feature list, I'll try and get it added as soon as I can.

Thanks again.

If you're taking feature requests...

I'd love a way to spread the graphic eq across all the faders rather than just the "output" faders.  I'd love the "listen" button on the Dynamic EQ to go to headphones, not the mains.  I'd love for any time a channel is selected for your touching an encoder to show you that processing (even when no process of that channel strip is selected to view, meaning when it's in the whole channel view).  I'd love for the copy/paste functions to copy only what you're looking at (when copying auxes, if you're viewing aux 1-8, it still copies/pastes all auxes/groups/matrices).  I'd love to have HPF and LPF on Matrix outs.  I'd love to be able to put VCAs into pop groups, I'd love to be able to reorder the contents of a pop group, I'd love to be able to 'move channels' or 'insert channels' between others...

I'm sure there are more, but I can't think of them right now...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on October 20, 2012, 05:01:20 AM
Oh, and that reminds me, today, I had connected the 251 ethercon cabled after powering up the console, and I could get all audio etc, but could not control the head amps.  Restarted the desk, problem gone.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on October 24, 2012, 06:33:28 AM
If you're taking feature requests...

  • I'd love for any time a channel is selected for your touching an encoder to show you that processing (even when no process of that channel strip is selected to view, meaning when it's in the whole channel view).
  • I'd love to have HPF and LPF on Matrix outs.[/i]

+1 on these points
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on October 24, 2012, 09:27:47 AM
I've also found this.... I ignored the legend, but quite a major issue for a major update release.. surely things like this should never leave the development office???

Issues I have in 2.05r:
  • store scene GUI button stopped working, few head scratching, console "store" button continued to work, thankfully.
  • moving fader from unity to +10, no real increase
  • as mentioned above, dials/numbers no-where near actual value on eq/comps/etc
  • solo's not linking, even though link options all ticked. Everything else is linking well though
  • user defined dials not closing when leave page. For example use dials to change a Graphic eq, hit home, dials are still on grahpic, even though window is closed.

anyone have a copy of first generation software? Think I'd like to go back to original software

So a few of these issues above, seemed to transpire due to using a show file created by XL8. Once a a show file (created on a Pro2) was used, the scene button worked, solo's linked (which was operator error, needed to click update) and the User defined dials would switch and not stick on the GEQ's.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 24, 2012, 10:16:29 AM
+1 on these points

Not sure we could make the navigation change. It would be a major change to the operation of the various control surfaces.


HPF/LPF filters are available on all outputs. Band 1 and 6 of the output parametric EQ can be switched using the 'shape' button in the same way as input EQ can be changed. The options are the 'soft' shelf filter, 6dB HPF/LPF or 12dB HPF/LPF. If you select a 12dB slope you can then go to the 2nd/5th band filters at select 'shape' to increase to a 24dB per octave filter. These are full 20Hz-20kHz sweepable.

Hope this helps,


Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 24, 2012, 10:19:44 AM
So a few of these issues above, seemed to transpire due to using a show file created by XL8. Once a a show file (created on a Pro2) was used, the scene button worked, solo's linked (which was operator error, needed to click update) and the User defined dials would switch and not stick on the GEQ's.



Thanks for clarifying things.

I'll look into the XL8 show file related issues and see if we can replicate the issues mentioned.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kegan Norris on October 24, 2012, 02:09:56 PM
Thanks for all the help so far Jason.  One more question for you when you get a chance.  No one has been able to explain the file sync window to me.  I understand it sends files between the two master controllers, but when do sync?  Should I be sending from the active controller to the one on standby?
Thanks
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on October 24, 2012, 02:28:41 PM
Thanks for all the help so far Jason.  One more question for you when you get a chance.  No one has been able to explain the file sync window to me.  I understand it sends files between the two master controllers, but when do sync?  Should I be sending from the active controller to the one on standby?
Thanks


Hi there,

Unless the File Sync button is red you do not need to do anything at all. The sync'ing (or mirroring) process of the 2 Master Controllers is done in the back ground. If you see that the File Sync button is red the system is telling you that there are files that have not been sync'ed successfully. There can be a number of reasons for this, but once a file has not been sync'ed the console will wait for the operator to correct the problem manually.

If the File Sync button is red and you click on it a window will pop up. You will see two lists, the one on the left shows the files on MC1 that have not been sync'ed, the right hand list shows MC2. You can see file names in 3 different coloured texts.

If the file is in red text you will only see it on one side. This tells you that the file doesn't exist on the other MC. So it will need to copy it across manually to the other MC.

If the file is in blue or green text you will see the same file on both lists. This tells you that there is either a time stamp or a size difference between the files on each MC (it can sometimes be both). You will be able to see the details next to the file name in the list (i.e. the time stamp and size for each). You then need to decide which file is the correct one and then copy that to the other MC. Once this has been done the MC's will be synchronised once again and the File Sync button will go blue. From this point automatic sync'ing of the MC's will continue.

Once a file becomes unsynchronised on either MC the system will not try to sync them again until you manually decide which is the correct one. Also if one of the files that is not sync'ed is currently active (i.e. loaded into the automation or preset manager) then you will not be able to sync that file without unloading (or closing) it first. This is because Linux doesn't allow active data to be copied/exported etc.

Hope this helps,
 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: PrestonGray on October 30, 2012, 10:40:38 AM
Jason,
I have been running gen 2 on a pro 9, and have noticed some strange digital noises in the FX rack. Any idea on this?

Also, when copying all contributions of a mix to another mix, a completely separate mix changed levels. The knobs did not actually move but noticed on the stereo keys channels. The left was at least 6db down of the right and the knob levels were matched. I could reproduce this problem and def. narrowed it down to the copy all contributions function. The keys channels levels were not affected in any other mix.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kegan Norris on November 01, 2012, 10:12:33 AM
Jason,
On the control groups page I am given the option of including outputs (aux sends and matrix outputs) in VCA and POP groups, yet when I unfold the group they do not show up.  Should this function work?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 01, 2012, 10:16:41 AM
Jason,
On the control groups page I am given the option of including outputs (aux sends and matrix outputs) in VCA and POP groups, yet when I unfold the group they do not show up.  Should this function work?

Kegan, Can I ask which console you are working with please?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on November 01, 2012, 08:39:24 PM
Is there any way to rearrange the order of the faders in a POP Group?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kegan Norris on November 01, 2012, 11:56:17 PM
I am currently on a Pro3.

When mixing FOH I heavily use aux sends as busses, and would like to be able to include these in POP groups or VCAs if possible.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Johan Kuiper on November 02, 2012, 04:20:54 AM
I've been using a Pro2C and I love it. Using 2.05 software.

-Is there a easy way to move channels around the console?
-I experience a clicking/static noise on the gates when it opens.

Best regards,

Johan
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 02, 2012, 04:53:02 AM
I am currently on a Pro3.

When mixing FOH I heavily use aux sends as busses, and would like to be able to include these in POP groups or VCAs if possible.

Hi Kegan,

The PRO2 does allow buses to be unfolded with input channels as part of a VCA or POP group. This is because there are no distinct input/output channels as such. All faders/channels are used as both inputs and outputs.

With the PRO3 the control surface has a more analogue style distinction between inputs and outputs. The 'fast zone' channels (the inputs) cannot easily support having both input and output channels appear on them. This is something we are looking into, but it requires a significant rewrite of the UI, so this will take some time. But being able to have outputs on the 'fast zone' is on the list of things to do for PRO3/6/9.

Hope this helps,
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 02, 2012, 05:01:24 AM
I've been using a Pro2C and I love it. Using 2.05 software.

-Is there a easy way to move channels around the console?
-I experience a clicking/static noise on the gates when it opens.

Best regards,

Johan

Hi Johan (Im including a reply to Ryans question here too)

There is not an easy way to move channels around, unfortunately the Linux platform we use as out OS does not support drag and drop. We are looking at some other options for this though (this also relates to Ryans question). Unfortunately some of this work is classified, so all I can tell you is its being looked at.

The gates on the PRO Series are very fast, sometimes clicking can be heard as an artifact. This is usually dependent of the style of sound you are looking for. It is usually a combination of the input, the eq used and the attack speed of the gate, its particularly apparent on some types of drum. If you adjust the attack time a minimal amount it will avoid the click.

Hope this helps,
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Johan Kuiper on November 02, 2012, 05:54:02 AM
Hi Johan (Im including a reply to Ryans question here too)

There is not an easy way to move channels around, unfortunately the Linux platform we use as out OS does not support drag and drop. We are looking at some other options for this though (this also relates to Ryans question). Unfortunately some of this work is classified, so all I can tell you is its being looked at.

The gates on the PRO Series are very fast, sometimes clicking can be heard as an artifact. This is usually dependent of the style of sound you are looking for. It is usually a combination of the input, the eq used and the attack speed of the gate, its particularly apparent on some types of drum. If you adjust the attack time a minimal amount it will avoid the click.

Hope this helps,
Well I'm a linux user for years and I can drag and drop. I my opinion it is not necessary to have drag and drop to fix this. Maybe you can look at the interface of a TV set, these have easy options to move channels around.

I've tried the minium attack time and doesn't seem to work. Is this a bug or a feature?
 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 02, 2012, 07:05:04 AM
Well I'm a linux user for years and I can drag and drop. I my opinion it is not necessary to have drag and drop to fix this. Maybe you can look at the interface of a TV set, these have easy options to move channels around.

I've tried the minium attack time and doesn't seem to work. Is this a bug or a feature?

Hi Johan,

Unfortunately the dragging and dropping just isn't that easy, to all intents and purposes moving channels is moving channels, I was using 'drag and drop' as a general term. There are a lot of other layers involved in this, if it was easy we would have done it by now. But like I mentioned earlier we are looking at some other options.

The gate issue you've mentioned is not a feature and I doubt its a bug. 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on November 02, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
I've tried the minium attack time and doesn't seem to work. Is this a bug or a feature?

It's actually using minimum attack that tends to make the gates pop. Slow the attack down a hair and it'll go away (that bugged me the first time I toured with a pro6... Just slowed it down a touch and all was gravy)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on November 02, 2012, 11:58:21 AM
It's actually using minimum attack that tends to make the gates pop. Slow the attack down a hair and it'll go away (that bugged me the first time I toured with a pro6... Just slowed it down a touch and all was gravy)

Outboard analog gates can click, too.  The fix is often just lengthening the attack time a wee bit, and reducing the amount of gain reduction to something like 20dB from 40dB or 60dB.

The click is not a phenomena exclusive to the Midas Pro desks (you can make a VENUE do it, too).
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on November 02, 2012, 12:35:36 PM
I know you've got brightness control on pretty much all lights on the desk, but is there any way to dim the channel name/select buttons, without just picking a dull color?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 02, 2012, 12:42:53 PM
Well I'm a linux user for years and I can drag and drop. I my opinion it is not necessary to have drag and drop to fix this. Maybe you can look at the interface of a TV set, these have easy options to move channels around.

I've tried the minium attack time and doesn't seem to work. Is this a bug or a feature?

Hi Johan,

I've checked the show file you sent over for me to look at (thank you by the way). The settings you have on the FT2 channel are very extreme, with a very high threshold and attack time. In addition to the suggestions already made I would look at using the sidechain filter so that you can focus on a set of frequencies to open the gate, rather than the full range set up you are using at the moment.

This will then mean you can lower the threshold quite dramatically. The issue is that you are going from infinity (ie no signal) to full signal (when the gate opens) so quickly that the waveform is getting distorted, hence the clicking. As has already been mentioned this would happen with an analogue gate too.

Hope this helps,
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 02, 2012, 02:16:39 PM
Well I'm a linux user for years

Please read the rules that are labeled "Read before posting" and then follow them.

Mac
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Johan Kuiper on November 02, 2012, 03:44:45 PM
Hi Johan,

I've checked the show file you sent over for me to look at (thank you by the way). The settings you have on the FT2 channel are very extreme, with a very high threshold and attack time. In addition to the suggestions already made I would look at using the sidechain filter so that you can focus on a set of frequencies to open the gate, rather than the full range set up you are using at the moment.

This will then mean you can lower the threshold quite dramatically. The issue is that you are going from infinity (ie no signal) to full signal (when the gate opens) so quickly that the waveform is getting distorted, hence the clicking. As has already been mentioned this would happen with an analogue gate too.

Hope this helps,

I'll give it a try, thanx.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Johan Kuiper on November 02, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
Please read the rules that are labeled "Read before posting" and then follow them.

Mac
my apologies. But two warnings in personal messages and a (off-topic) public warning is a little to much for my taste. But if you feel that this is more civil, fine with me.  ;)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Johan Kuiper on November 02, 2012, 04:17:26 PM
I know you've got brightness control on pretty much all lights on the desk, but is there any way to dim the channel name/select buttons, without just picking a dull color?

Yes would be a nice one...

Another nice-to-have:
Would it be possible to feed the tap tempo with a signal, click track or snare for instance?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on November 02, 2012, 07:13:36 PM
Jason,
I have been running gen 2 on a pro 9, and have noticed some strange digital noises in the FX rack. Any idea on this?
Thanks!
Patched to a normal channel or aux-returns?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 03, 2012, 05:00:31 AM
I know you've got brightness control on pretty much all lights on the desk, but is there any way to dim the channel name/select buttons, without just picking a dull color?

The LCD switches are just about the only thing that cannot be dimmed.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on November 03, 2012, 11:44:02 PM
Jason,
I have been running gen 2 on a pro 9, and have noticed some strange digital noises in the FX rack.

Thanks!

Right, the issue that kept me busy for a week! :-)

A month ago, i started out on a theatre tour. 2 lead singers and a band. Lead singers on in-ears on a roland desk, band on monitors (all wedges, except for the drummer on IEM) from FOH, on a Pro2C, gen2. Passive split. The Pro2c was bought for this tour. Brand new.

First of all I have to say that I'm very happy with the console. Absolutely love the sound of it. Having used mostly Digico consoles before, it took me a little bit of getting used to, but after that, things were peachy. We also bought the Sonnet frame with the aes-cards, so we can do the 96K virtual soundcheck/recording business.

Played around with it for a week in the shop, prepping my showfile, trying things while hookedupto 2 small powered speakers,  when for the first time,  'IT' occured.

A sudden, loud sound. Hard to describe. A bit like a pop, that feeds back but then dies out in about a second.

That's new! But hey, the audio was comming from my iPhone, played back by spotify (music streaming software). Surely this sound will be comming from my music streaming phone, not from my brand new mixing console....right? Since I could ot reproduce the sound. we decided that it must have been the phone.

Next sunday, load in and set-up for rehearsels. First show is gonna be on wednesday. The whole setup has been prepped in the shop. Including 4 iPads for the band to use mixtender. Couple of hours into setup (console, rack and PA tested and running), suddenly the same noise...only this time through the PA. And through all the monitors. Quite scary, and even deadly for one of the wedges.

I can go on for a few paragraphs to describe the things we tried (including a lot of phonecalls with the local dealer) in the next 3 days to solve this. Consoles, multicores and stageracks were swapped. We used the KT networkbridge instead of the Sonnet interface. All of which didn't help. Sometimes after 30 minutes, sometimes after 4 hours, the problem returned. Sometimes it was even longer than before. Muting the outputs in a frenzy (because naturally the band was on stage) stopped it.

Eventually, after the noise returning again, A couple of hours before the first show, wee discovered that the noise came out of every output, except for the drum-monitor. Which was the only monitor to which no reverb had been sent. Aha! At the same time, we've been making some calls to other engineers, 2 of them immediately saying that the problem was the FX-engine.

It turned out that the Ambiance Reverb (new in Gen2) was producing this sound every once in a while. Removing the reverb from the rack solved it, putting it back made it re-appear. Analyzing it now, I can imagine that the noise can have something to do with the audition sample found in the reverb. It sounds kind of the same, but than feeding back.... But hey, that kind of software talk is way out of my comfortzone... :-)

the show was saved, and we had a great first show. Been touring for a month know, and I've put my external Bricasti reverb to good use :-)

While I'm glad that we found the problem, I really want to warn people for this. I'm trying very hard not to make ghost stories, but this is a serious issue. I hope that you guys are seeing that I'm not trying to make Midas or this console look bad. Actually, I really love both of them :-) but getting  this noise on an in-ear send will not get you a lot of friends.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on November 04, 2012, 07:28:15 AM
Right, the issue that kept me busy for a week! :-)

A month ago, i started out on a theatre tour. 2 lead singers and a band. Lead singers on in-ears on a roland desk, band on monitors (all wedges, except for the drummer on IEM) from FOH, on a Pro2C, gen2. Passive split. The Pro2c was bought for this tour. Brand new.

First of all I have to say that I'm very happy with the console. Absolutely love the sound of it. Having used mostly Digico consoles before, it took me a little bit of getting used to, but after that, things were peachy. We also bought the Sonnet frame with the aes-cards, so we can do the 96K virtual soundcheck/recording business.

Played around with it for a week in the shop, prepping my showfile, trying things while hookedupto 2 small powered speakers,  when for the first time,  'IT' occured.

A sudden, loud sound. Hard to describe. A bit like a pop, that feeds back but then dies out in about a second.

That's new! But hey, the audio was comming from my iPhone, played back by spotify (music streaming software). Surely this sound will be comming from my music streaming phone, not from my brand new mixing console....right? Since I could ot reproduce the sound. we decided that it must have been the phone.

Next sunday, load in and set-up for rehearsels. First show is gonna be on wednesday. The whole setup has been prepped in the shop. Including 4 iPads for the band to use mixtender. Couple of hours into setup (console, rack and PA tested and running), suddenly the same noise...only this time through the PA. And through all the monitors. Quite scary, and even deadly for one of the wedges.

I can go on for a few paragraphs to describe the things we tried (including a lot of phonecalls with the local dealer) in the next 3 days to solve this. Consoles, multicores and stageracks were swapped. We used the KT networkbridge instead of the Sonnet interface. All of which didn't help. Sometimes after 30 minutes, sometimes after 4 hours, the problem returned. Sometimes it was even longer than before. Muting the outputs in a frenzy (because naturally the band was on stage) stopped it.

Eventually, after the noise returning again, A couple of hours before the first show, wee discovered that the noise came out of every output, except for the drum-monitor. Which was the only monitor to which no reverb had been sent. Aha! At the same time, we've been making some calls to other engineers, 2 of them immediately saying that the problem was the FX-engine.

It turned out that the Ambiance Reverb (new in Gen2) was producing this sound every once in a while. Removing the reverb from the rack solved it, putting it back made it re-appear. Analyzing it now, I can imagine that the noise can have something to do with the audition sample found in the reverb. It sounds kind of the same, but than feeding back.... But hey, that kind of software talk is way out of my comfortzone... :-)

the show was saved, and we had a great first show. Been touring for a month know, and I've put my external Bricasti reverb to good use :-)

While I'm glad that we found the problem, I really want to warn people for this. I'm trying very hard not to make ghost stories, but this is a serious issue. I hope that you guys are seeing that I'm not trying to make Midas or this console look bad. Actually, I really love both of them :-) but getting  this noise on an in-ear send will not get you a lot of friends.

Provided that you don’t use the Ambiance Reverb – is Gen 2 OK?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on November 04, 2012, 07:53:33 AM
Provided that you don’t use the Ambiance Reverb – is Gen 2 OK?

I've been using Gen2 on two seperate tours for a month now. Just didn't use the Ambience Reverb. No problems at all, allthough a couple of know bugs sometimes are a PITA (like the wrong value bug).
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on November 04, 2012, 08:27:23 AM
To make my story a little less vague, here's a recording of the noise through one of the mics on stage. Be carefull, loud noise after 3 seconds!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3161158/storing.wav
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Geoff Doane on November 04, 2012, 09:24:39 PM
To make my story a little less vague, here's a recording of the noise through one of the mics on stage. Be carefull, loud noise after 3 seconds!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3161158/storing.wav

Sounds like somebody kicked the Fender Twin Reverb.  :)

Seriously, it sounds like you did some careful troubleshooting and came up with a plausible (and so far probable) cause for the fault.  If only all the advice on the internet was researched as well and so clearly stated.  ::)

GTD
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 05, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
Sounds like somebody kicked the Fender Twin Reverb.  :)

Seriously, it sounds like you did some careful troubleshooting and came up with a plausible (and so far probable) cause for the fault.  If only all the advice on the internet was researched as well and so clearly stated.  ::)

GTD

Guys,

We are in final test phase of a fix for the reverb issue thats been mentioned in this thread. The software should be released within the next week.

Thanks,

Jason

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on November 05, 2012, 12:34:26 PM
Guys,

We are in final test phase of a fix for the reverb issue thats been mentioned in this thread. The software should be released within the next week.

Thanks,

Jason

Jason,

Thank you for the info. Just out of curiousity, could I have found information about this (apperently known) bug somewhere online?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 05, 2012, 05:44:05 PM
Jason,

Thank you for the info. Just out of curiousity, could I have found information about this (apperently known) bug somewhere online?

Casjan,

This was only very recently diagnosed and a cure found. So no you would not have found any information online.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: PrestonGray on November 05, 2012, 07:41:44 PM
Has anyone else had issues with the "copy all contributions function?"

At a recent show we were using a pro9 for monitors. I needed to quickly set up a guest stereo IEM mix so used the copy all contributions function, and copied the lead vocal mix to the guest mix. Right after that the keyboard player began complaining about the left side of the keys was quieter. When double checking the send levels, everything was exactly the same on the knobs and rotary values. The eq, and comps were exactly the same. The only thing different was the meters. The left meter was showing more level going to the right side of his mix.

Just to confirm it was the copy all contributions function, we schedule for the console to go back to the shop and went through every step leading up to that point while listening to the keys mix. The change in level on the keys send to the keys mix was affected immediately when copying contributions of the lead vocal mix to the guest mix.

We recreated the problem several times in disbelief that manipulating the lead vocal mix and the guest mix could possibly alter another unrelated mix. This was noticeable because this was a stereo instrument very present in the keyboard players mix. I now question if copy all contributions is affecting other parameters that I havent noticed yet?

Any help would be appreciated.

-Preston
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on November 06, 2012, 05:52:03 AM
Guys,

We are in final test phase of a fix for the reverb issue thats been mentioned in this thread. The software should be released within the next week.

Thanks,

Jason

Can you confirm that this reverb error occurs in 2.05r or in 2 (2nd generation)?
Could you list the fixes the new software release has, or is it simply a fix for the reverb issue?

Has the new update been beta tested at all???
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan O John on November 25, 2012, 08:40:33 PM
Just finished up a US tour with my personal Pro2, best sounding tour I've done... Every day someone was raving about the mix.

The few issues I had were totally reparable, and never had any issue that was anything beyond a quick fix.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Keith Broughton on November 26, 2012, 09:04:42 AM
Just used a Pro 2 for the first time on a show I do regularly and all I can say is WOW!
Sounds soooooo good.
The KT reverbs, not so good. Use Lexicon out board instead.
And, yes, the channel switches were very bright in a dark theatre!
Might have to choose a darker colour but then they are harder to read.
Question...
Can I include a VCA in the "populate" button function?
Tried it and it didn't seem to work.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on November 26, 2012, 05:17:00 PM
Can I include a VCA in the "populate" button function?
Tried it and it didn't seem to work.

Not sure about that, but I for sure have some my matrixes in a POP group if that helps
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Daniel Nickleski on November 26, 2012, 06:07:10 PM
Just used a Pro 2 for the first time on a show I do regularly and all I can say is WOW!
Sounds soooooo good.
The KT reverbs, not so good. Use Lexicon out board instead.
And, yes, the channel switches were very bright in a dark theatre!
Might have to choose a darker colour but then they are harder to read.
Question...
Can I include a VCA in the "populate" button function?
Tried it and it didn't seem to work.


Hold the VCA you want to populate for a "few" seconds (do not remember how long) and then press the desired channel select to add it to the VCA. Do all of this while holding the VCA select you are populating
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on November 26, 2012, 06:23:42 PM
Just used a Pro 2 for the first time on a show I do regularly and all I can say is WOW!
Sounds soooooo good.
The KT reverbs, not so good. Use Lexicon out board instead.
And, yes, the channel switches were very bright in a dark theatre!
Might have to choose a darker colour but then they are harder to read.
Question...
Can I include a VCA in the "populate" button function?
Tried it and it didn't seem to work.

What version firmware were you using - 2.05.4 has better EFXs, they’re good, very usable but not fantastic... and the switches are dimmable, but not the LCD channel buttons. I don’t think you can put a VCA (pop-group) in a pop-group.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on November 26, 2012, 08:02:59 PM
I don’t think you can put a VCA (pop-group) in a pop-group.

Just to clarify, VCAs are not POP groups. VCAs include solo and mute functions as well as the fader, whereas a POP group is simply a way to bring a group of inputs or outputs to a section of the console at one time.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on November 27, 2012, 12:36:15 AM
Just to clarify, VCAs are not POP groups. VCAs include solo and mute functions as well as the fader, whereas a POP group is simply a way to bring a group of inputs or outputs to a section of the console at one time.

Yes … but the VCA groups have a population function. Only the channels selected for that VCA are displayed or populated on the channels strips. I love this function :)


Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Keith Broughton on November 27, 2012, 06:11:51 AM

Hold the VCA you want to populate for a "few" seconds (do not remember how long) and then press the desired channel select to add it to the VCA. Do all of this while holding the VCA select you are populating

I understand what the VCA is and how to assign them.
The question is, once I have a VCA (eg:drums) has anyone been able to include that VCA when selecting the buttons in a "population group" or is it only inputs and outputs that can be assigned to a population group?
I'm in the shop today and will open the console for more investigation. Many things to learn!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on November 29, 2012, 12:48:26 PM
I understand what the VCA is and how to assign them.

You seem to be trying to do the same thing twice. When you have a VCA group set-up, when you press the button it "unfolds" your inputs to that VCA to the input faders. When you have a POP group set-up, when you press the button it unfolds your inputs to that POP group to the input faders. Why include a VCA in a POP group when they do the same thing, apart from VCAs having fader, solo and mute funtionality?
Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: jason misterka on November 29, 2012, 04:05:06 PM
You seem to be trying to do the same thing twice. When you have a VCA group set-up, when you press the button it "unfolds" your inputs to that VCA to the input faders. When you have a POP group set-up, when you press the button it unfolds your inputs to that POP group to the input faders. Why include a VCA in a POP group when they do the same thing, apart from VCAs having fader, solo and mute funtionality?


I don't know about the OP, but I can think of several reasons you would want a VCA in a POP spill. 

You are not "spilling" the VCA in that case, only looking at and being able to adjust it.

Especially handy for Pro 1, Pro 2, and Pro 2c consoles that do not have a ton of faders on the surface.

 Say, on the Pro 1, I could have a POP group called DRM/PERC that includes 10 drum channels, 3 perc channels, 1 verb return, a drum VCA and a perc VCA.  I wouldn't hang out there when mixing but could splash there when needed and have access to all the important controls for those inputs.  Kinda like other brand console's custom fader layers...

Jason
Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on November 29, 2012, 06:56:15 PM

Say, on the Pro 1, I could have a POP group called DRM/PERC that includes 10 drum channels, 3 perc channels, 1 verb return, a drum VCA and a perc VCA.
Jason


Where would you "hang out" whilst mixing then? All of the functionality you're wanting is available on one layer as long as you're showing VCAs in the output bank. Spill your POP group with all the inputs and verbs and have your Drum and Perc VCAs right there too- at most they are 15 faders away on the same layer.
Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on November 29, 2012, 07:31:44 PM

Where would you "hang out" whilst mixing then? All of the functionality you're wanting is available on one layer as long as you're showing VCAs in the output bank. Spill your POP group with all the inputs and verbs and have your Drum and Perc VCAs right there too- at most they are 15 faders away on the same layer.

I'm with you ...  the functionality is there as you described.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: jason misterka on November 29, 2012, 09:17:56 PM

 All of the functionality you're wanting is available on one layer as long as you're showing VCAs in the output bank. Spill your POP group with all the inputs and verbs and have your Drum and Perc VCAs right there too- at most they are 15 faders away on the same layer.

Not on the Pro1 (which is what I've spent all my time on) or Pro2c.  There are only 16 faders total.

In my template I have a SHOW pop group with the 8 most important channels.  I hang out there, with the other 8 faders on DCAs.

I'm not really concerned about this, just was pointing out that the person who requested it may not be looney.  There are times it could be handy.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on November 30, 2012, 12:47:11 AM
Not on the Pro1 (which is what I've spent all my time on)

Haha, me too! I'm in front of one all day today as we discuss this :)

On a completely separate note, has anybody had any luck with Mixtender wireless control with an iPad? I'm far from an IT guy, but try as I might I cannot get the iPad and Pro 1 talking. Any tips would be most helpful
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on November 30, 2012, 04:16:33 AM
Haha, me too! I'm in front of one all day today as we discuss this :)

On a completely separate note, has anybody had any luck with Mixtender wireless control with an iPad? I'm far from an IT guy, but try as I might I cannot get the iPad and Pro 1 talking. Any tips would be most helpful

Hi Ryan,

Please use this link to download a PDF with some instructions for connecting a PRO Series console to an iPad. If you are using an Apple Airport there are some specific settings at the bottom to look at. We've found Airports are the least friendly and easy to set up. But hopefully this will help.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/81872918/Mixtender%20Instructions%20V1.2%20%28Airport%29.pdf

Thanks,

Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on November 30, 2012, 05:02:47 AM
Not on the Pro1 (which is what I've spent all my time on) or Pro2c.  There are only 16 faders total.

In my template I have a SHOW pop group with the 8 most important channels.  I hang out there, with the other 8 faders on DCAs.

I'm not really concerned about this, just was pointing out that the person who requested it may not be looney.  There are times it could be handy.

So why do you want to add a VCA to a POP group … if you could you would just loose one of you 8  displayed channels (on the left) and end up with the same VCA on the left and right groups of 8 faders.

BTW do you use area B ? …  That may help by giving you 3 more faders (I assume a Pro 1 has an area B) ... and you can scroll and there is an extend button.

Peter


edit - quoted wrong reply - now correct
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on November 30, 2012, 12:18:16 PM
Hi Ryan,

Please use this link to download a PDF with some instructions for connecting a PRO Series console to an iPad. If you are using an Apple Airport there are some specific settings at the bottom to look at. We've found Airports are the least friendly and easy to set up. But hopefully this will help.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/81872918/Mixtender%20Instructions%20V1.2%20%28Airport%29.pdf

Thanks,

Thanks! Funnily enough as I was prepping this gig in the shop I couldn't get my Airport Express to work so I blew off the wireless option altogether. Now I find myself a tad bored (it's a film festival!) and using the DLink router from my system Lake controller at the Pro 1 for something to do...

ALSO: I just had the issue with the Ambience Reverb glitch/noise that was mentioned earlier in the thread! I had that FX return channel routed my my surround arrays (5.1 setup, and using it to achive a pseudo surround effect from a stereo L/R movie) and whilst testing a movie with ONLY the director present the surround went off crazy with that noise! Freaked us all out. Ambience Reberb is no longer in the rack.
Was a patch for this released yet ?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on November 30, 2012, 06:52:34 PM

ALSO: I just had the issue with the Ambience Reverb glitch/noise that was mentioned earlier in the thread! I had that FX return channel routed my my surround arrays (5.1 setup, and using it to achive a pseudo surround effect from a stereo L/R movie) and whilst testing a movie with ONLY the director present the surround went off crazy with that noise! Freaked us all out. Ambience Reberb is no longer in the rack.
Was a patch for this released yet ?

update your firmware to 2.05.04
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Keith Broughton on December 01, 2012, 08:10:40 AM
You seem to be trying to do the same thing twice. When you have a VCA group set-up, when you press the button it "unfolds" your inputs to that VCA to the input faders. When you have a POP group set-up, when you press the button it unfolds your inputs to that POP group to the input faders. Why include a VCA in a POP group when they do the same thing, apart from VCAs having fader, solo and mute funtionality?
When I open the population group and then apply the "extend" function, the faders that would have been used for VCAs are now channel faders.
The advantage to this is that I now have the whole show including FX returns(minus drums) up on faders.
However, to adjust the drum mix VCA group, I need to leave the extend mode to access to the drum VCA .
I would like to have the drum VCA fader included in the population group so I don't have to flip out of extend to VCA mode to push the drum mix.
I recently discovered area B and am looking at the option of using that fader assignment.
Trying to cram a lot of learning while out mixing shows! My brain......hurts  ;D
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ryan Jodrell on December 01, 2012, 12:47:36 PM
If anybody is curious, for Mixtender and an iPad to talk to a console it appears as though you must have the router powered up and plugged in to the surface BEFORE powering up the console. This is not clearly specified in the instructions .pdf linked earlier in the thread. Struggled for a while before powering down and trying this method and it worked.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on December 05, 2012, 07:46:41 AM
update your firmware to 2.05.04

anyone know what fixes have been made in this update? I'm resistant to update from 2.05 as I currently know what glitches there are and what to avoid...

Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on December 05, 2012, 08:08:27 AM
anyone know what fixes have been made in this update? I'm resistant to update from 2.05 as I currently know what glitches there are and what to avoid...

Hi Peter,

If you are currently using G2.05R I would recommend that you upgrade to G2.05.04. The key fix in this interim release concerns a couple of the reverb algorithms and an issue with them, where in very specific circumstances, unpleasant noises would be generated.

We are continuing to improve the software and anticipate further releases in the near future.

Hope this helps,

Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim Woodworth on December 05, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
Our Midas is great!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on December 06, 2012, 04:34:39 PM
If anybody is curious, for Mixtender and an iPad to talk to a console it appears as though you must have the router powered up and plugged in to the surface BEFORE powering up the console. This is not clearly specified in the instructions .pdf linked earlier in the thread. Struggled for a while before powering down and trying this method and it worked.

Ryan, (and everybody interested)

I've been using a pro2 together with a cisco router and 6 iPads on a daily basis for a couple of months now, and so far I haven't had a problem with powering up the router after the console. Usually my sequence is:

- powerup stagerack
- powerup console
- mind my business
- turn on an iPad
- remember to plug in and turn on router
- try the iPad again
- remember to start up the remote server on the console
- voila!

Ofcourse, I usually powerup the router and server imediately after powering up the console, but the method above actually works. Actually, it's even possible to start the remote server before connecting the router!

My system is configured with fixed adresses for the router(192.168.0.1)and the console(192.168.0.2) , and the iPads are getting addresses through DHCP(192.168.0.21 and up).
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on December 06, 2012, 04:49:15 PM
Ryan, (and everybody interested)

I've been using a pro2 together with a cisco router and 6 iPads on a daily basis for a couple of months now, and so far I haven't had a problem with powering up the router after the console. Usually my sequence is:

- powerup stagerack
- powerup console
- mind my business
- turn on an iPad
- remember to plug in and turn on router
- try the iPad again
- remember to start up the remote server on the console
- voila!

Ofcourse, I usually powerup the router and server imediately after powering up the console, but the method above actually works. Actually, it's even possible to start the remote server before connecting the router!

My system is configured with fixed adresses for the router(192.168.0.1)and the console(192.168.0.2) , and the iPads are getting addresses through DHCP(192.168.0.21 and up).

+1 ... and no problems with 2.05.04

Peter
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Casjan Berends on January 15, 2013, 09:16:58 PM
Shameless crossposting this from the midas facebookpage, but I'm looking for an answer...

Wondering if anybody knows this:

In a touring production, i'm currently faced with a second drummer, replacing the first for a couple of shows. Monitor wishes for the second one are significantly different from number one.

No problem. I use one scene per show, so when drummer 1 returns, I just recall the last show with drummer 1, go into the show editor, select all input channels, select his aux and paste it to the scene du jour.

One problem: We're also using MCA's. Is there a way to paste only the drummers MCA's into a new scene?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on January 16, 2013, 04:15:23 AM
Shameless crossposting this from the midas facebookpage, but I'm looking for an answer...

Wondering if anybody knows this:

In a touring production, i'm currently faced with a second drummer, replacing the first for a couple of shows. Monitor wishes for the second one are significantly different from number one.

No problem. I use one scene per show, so when drummer 1 returns, I just recall the last show with drummer 1, go into the show editor, select all input channels, select his aux and paste it to the scene du jour.

There isn't currently a way to paste only the MCA's for that mix. The MCA data is recorded within the VCA data. So propagating the MCA setting would also copy the VCA's.
One problem: We're also using MCA's. Is there a way to paste only the drummers MCA's into a new scene?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Nicholas Radina on January 20, 2013, 03:28:35 PM
Hi Jason,

Working through a new Pro1 and I decided to clear all patching, hoping to start over on trying to learn how patching is accomplished.  Of course now I can't get any headphone output. I've read I need to patch this, but I don't know how.

Also, is there a quick way to clear all POP groups?

Thanks in advance for the help!
nicholas
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on January 21, 2013, 12:07:07 PM
Hi Jason,

Working through a new Pro1 and I decided to clear all patching, hoping to start over on trying to learn how patching is accomplished.  Of course now I can't get any headphone output. I've read I need to patch this, but I don't know how.

Also, is there a quick way to clear all POP groups?

Thanks in advance for the help!
nicholas
Patch monitor A bus (left mon. patching screen) to monitor A output (right i/o patch screen).
To clear POP and VCA assignements open the menu > Control groups.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Nicholas Radina on January 21, 2013, 01:01:01 PM
Thank you Jelmer!

Do you know if there is a new solution for patching a graph AND using a PEQ at the same time on an output bus? I'm assuming one can insert a graph from the FX rack as a workaround?

Thanks in advance for the help!
nicholas




Patch monitor A bus (left mon. patching screen) to monitor A output (right i/o patch screen).
To clear POP and VCA assignements open the menu > Control groups.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on January 22, 2013, 01:17:47 PM
Thank you Jelmer!

Do you know if there is a new solution for patching a graph AND using a PEQ at the same time on an output bus? I'm assuming one can insert a graph from the FX rack as a workaround?

Thanks in advance for the help!
nicholas
That's not possible on the same outputbus. The 31band graphic is actually a 31 band PEQ with fixed Q and Freq. So switching between the two doesn't mean you get a different EQ, you get a different control interface. if you want both I suggest you run the L-R signal trough a matrix and give one or the other the graphic EQ.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on February 13, 2013, 11:33:33 AM
So.. I've been trying to get to the bottom of automation, scope etc in-order to try and use the desk more powerfully.

I've been using the offline editor (2nd gen) to do this.

I created a starter tour session and scene, with everything patched, EQ'd, compressed, routed, FX etc to act as my "master" scene. I then altered the re-call scope so any further scenes I save, will all have the correct scope options, so I can flick on a 'song-by-song' basis, knowing my system/monitor options are scoped "out" and the only thing that will change is faders, sends, mutes and FX.
Wonderful, its all looking rosey. I save my scene, then I save my session (yup, saved twice), saved presets for every options, and yes saved that to its own show file (how many saves is that now??) and I transferred the whole lot to a stick to load onto the console.

Dam, I forgot one thing! Re-booted the offline editor, loaded my show file and it by default goes to scene 0, which is the safe 'blank' backup. I click to load my scene, however as loads of certain things are scoped, it remembers/keeps lots of the blank 0 scene info, and thus not updating the information I require. Perfect scope is working perfectly, however one small problem, I don't want a blank scene, I want Scene 1 is the master from which everything is suppose to be scoping from and has all the info.

How do I get round this? I'll have to save scene again to turn Scope items off/out which, as loads of info is missing will wipe hours of prep.

Very annoying!!!!

If I load up my show on the console, will it behave and go to scene 1, rather than loading blank scene 0? I saved the show file, whilst in scene 1.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on February 13, 2013, 12:20:40 PM
So.. I've been trying to get to the bottom of automation, scope etc in-order to try and use the desk more powerfully.

I've been using the offline editor (2nd gen) to do this.

I created a starter tour session and scene, with everything patched, EQ'd, compressed, routed, FX etc to act as my "master" scene. I then altered the re-call scope so any further scenes I save, will all have the correct scope options, so I can flick on a 'song-by-song' basis, knowing my system/monitor options are scoped "out" and the only thing that will change is faders, sends, mutes and FX.
Wonderful, its all looking rosey. I save my scene, then I save my session (yup, saved twice), saved presets for every options, and yes saved that to its own show file (how many saves is that now??) and I transferred the whole lot to a stick to load onto the console.

Dam, I forgot one thing! Re-booted the offline editor, loaded my show file and it by default goes to scene 0, which is the safe 'blank' backup. I click to load my scene, however as loads of certain things are scoped, it remembers/keeps lots of the blank 0 scene info, and thus not updating the information I require. Perfect scope is working perfectly, however one small problem, I don't want a blank scene, I want Scene 1 is the master from which everything is suppose to be scoping from and has all the info.

How do I get round this? I'll have to save scene again to turn Scope items off/out which, as loads of info is missing will wipe hours of prep.

Very annoying!!!!

If I load up my show on the console, will it behave and go to scene 1, rather than loading blank scene 0? I saved the show file, whilst in scene 1.

Hi Peter,

I think, from your post, that you are missing a key piece of information. Which is that in all Show files you must have at least one Scene with no recall scopes enabled. Most people call this their 'sound check', 'Defaults', 'Master' or 'Template' scene. It's the starting point that you use to load your basic eq's, dynamics etc etc onto the console. So why do you need to do this?

Unlike many other consoles we do not have a 'master' scene where the system state/setup is stored. This is generally the data that is used by the console when you load the show or session file into the console. I will be a little generic with this explanation to keep things simple. But with most systems the 'master' scene (whether you can access this as an operator of not doesn't really matter, on most consoles this is a 'hidden' set of data) it is used to store the basic configuration of the console (bus structure, effects package, stage boxes etc etc) for that file/session, as well as the basic channel settings. The structure is then 'fixed' for that file/session, unless you go into the configuration mode or load another show file. Midas consoles work slightly differently.

Every Scene you create in your Midas Show file is a complete picture (or snap shot!) of every piece of data on the system, not just channel settings or patching. Because we can completely reconfigure the structure of the console from one Scene to the next (including bussing structure, effects units, network settings etc etc) we can't really use a 'master' Scene in the same way. As technically every Scene contains that data.

So if you create a show file where every scene uses recall scopes then there is no way for the console to 'load' your start up data. Because each scene that uses recall scopes is telling the console not to recall data, so what ever data is on the surface stays there. Hence the need to have one scene that you use as your 'master' scene.

I fully appreciate this is very 'different' to how most other consoles work, but there are many advantages to the way we do it, which I can go into at a later date.

But I hope this clarifies things at least.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on February 13, 2013, 12:30:26 PM
.....you must have at least one Scene with no recall scopes enabled.

Yes that was the one key bit of info I was lacking. I assumed once saved, it would always restore back to the saved status.

I'd better put kettle on and start again.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on February 13, 2013, 12:34:56 PM
Yes that was the one key bit of info I was lacking. I assumed once saved, it would always restore back to the saved status.

I'd better put kettle on and start again.

I've gone one better, check your PM's

Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 13, 2013, 12:42:48 PM
I've gone one better, check your PM's
So this is proprietary information, or can the rest of us get in on the fun?

Seriously, Jason, this appearance of "the club" restricting distribution of information, useful to current and prospective users of Midas consoles, is a bit off-putting.

Is this all really big secret stuff?
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on February 13, 2013, 12:51:07 PM
So this is proprietary information, or can the rest of us get in on the fun?

Seriously, Jason, this appearance of "the club" restricting distribution of information, useful to current and prospective users of Midas consoles, is a bit off-putting.

Is this all really big secret stuff?

Tim,

I'm sorry if you feel my approach appears like there is some kind of 'club' going on, that was not my intention at all. I was purely trying to offer Peter assistance as quickly as possible that was specific to the problem he was having. My post above is more generic and hopefully helps people avoid the issue from the beginning.

I think I have been more than open in my contributions to this forum over the years.

My apologies once again if this is not the case.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 13, 2013, 01:06:08 PM
Tim,

I'm sorry if you feel my approach appears like there is some kind of 'club' going on, that was not my intention at all. I was purely trying to offer Peter assistance as quickly as possible that was specific to the problem he was having. My post above is more generic and hopefully helps people avoid the issue from the beginning.

I think I have been more than open in my contributions to this forum over the years.

My apologies once again if this is not the case.

Thanks,

Jason

Jason-

I can understand if the instructions would reveal proprietary or trade secret information; ditto if there was something about the client's use of the mixer or feature that needs to be confidential.

Barring those circumstances, as a manufacturer, I'd think Midas would want as many users up to speed on the very thorough feature set offered by the Pro series.  Nobody knows these models like the Mothership, and the more you can help all of us understand and utilize them, the better.

Have fun, good luck.

Tim Mc
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on February 14, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
Jason-

I can understand if the instructions would reveal proprietary or trade secret information; ditto if there was something about the client's use of the mixer or feature that needs to be confidential.

Barring those circumstances, as a manufacturer, I'd think Midas would want as many users up to speed on the very thorough feature set offered by the Pro series.  Nobody knows these models like the Mothership, and the more you can help all of us understand and utilize them, the better.

Have fun, good luck.

Tim Mc

Dear Tim,

I couldn't agree more with your comments, I try to keep abreast of Midas related posts on this forum (and others) as best I can and try to offer answers, explanations or clarity where appropriate. In as open a way as is possible.

My reservation in Peters case was that I wanted to make sure my suggestion worked for him first. Having now had confirmation from him that it was successful I'm happy to post the contents from my PM to him.


If you've done a lot of programming on that show file and you want to get your basic settings back there is way to do this and then set up a 'master' scene. Here goes:
1) Load your show and then recall the scene that you know contains the last set of data you would like to use.
2) Go to the Recall Scopes page and turn them all off by clicking NONE
3) Go back to the Automation page and go to the Store Scopes page and click ALL
4) Press 'Store' and Overwrite the scene
5) Press NOW to reload the scene and you should get all your settings back
6) Go to Store Scope again and turn them all off.
7) go to an empty scene and store the current state, making sure no recall scopes are enabled.


Thanks Jason
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on February 14, 2013, 11:51:56 AM
Very cool!  Thanks for the help and verification that the fix works.  :)

Dear Tim,

I couldn't agree more with your comments, I try to keep abreast of Midas related posts on this forum (and others) as best I can and try to offer answers, explanations or clarity where appropriate. In as open a way as is possible.

My reservation in Peters case was that I wanted to make sure my suggestion worked for him first. Having now had confirmation from him that it was successful I'm happy to post the contents from my PM to him.


If you've done a lot of programming on that show file and you want to get your basic settings back there is way to do this and then set up a 'master' scene. Here goes:
1) Load your show and then recall the scene that you know contains the last set of data you would like to use.
2) Go to the Recall Scopes page and turn them all off by clicking NONE
3) Go back to the Automation page and go to the Store Scopes page and click ALL
4) Press 'Store' and Overwrite the scene
5) Press NOW to reload the scene and you should get all your settings back
6) Go to Store Scope again and turn them all off.
7) go to an empty scene and store the current state, making sure no recall scopes are enabled.


Thanks Jason
Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on February 25, 2013, 06:49:39 AM
Really starting to enjoy this console now, the sound and FX are really pleasing.

Couple of simple operator questions:

Is there a way to make fine adjustments?
For example when using the Matrix Mixer plugin/FX. When changing the delay time, the up/down arrow give you 1ms adjustments, rotary dial gives larger adjustments. Is there a way to make this finer, say 0.5ms steps? (Right-click, alt button etc??)
This would be handy for also setting outputs level. Obviously with output levels no human can head a 0.3-0.5dB difference, but plays havoc with the sanity of people with OCD tendencies! :D

Reset one band on Graphic EQ?
If adjust wrong frequency, is there a short-cut to reset frequency back to 0?

Title: Re: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on February 25, 2013, 07:31:36 AM
Really starting to enjoy this console now, the sound and FX are really pleasing.

Couple of simple operator questions:

Is there a way to make fine adjustments?
For example when using the Matrix Mixer plugin/FX. When changing the delay time, the up/down arrow give you 1ms adjustments, rotary dial gives larger adjustments. Is there a way to make this finer, say 0.5ms steps? (Right-click, alt button etc??)
This would be handy for also setting outputs level. Obviously with output levels no human can head a 0.3-0.5dB difference, but plays havoc with the sanity of people with OCD tendencies! :D

Reset one band on Graphic EQ?
If adjust wrong frequency, is there a short-cut to reset frequency back to 0?

Hi Peter,

Glad things are starting to come together for you on the console.

The input delay adjustment should be in 0.1ms steps, but the output delays were limited to 1ms steps. I have now entered a request to our software team to change this to 0.1ms, so that it is consistent with the input delays of the Matrix Mixer effect.

The input and output level controls are in fact continuos and have no steps (due to the way the interpolation works on the PRO Series consoles). The number that is generated and that you see uses a 'prettifying display string' (R&D term not mine!) to turn the high resolution value generated by the control interface/DSP into a number that actually means something in the outside world. So think of it a little like a rounding up of that value. If you move from single digit dB numbers (2 decimal places) through double digits (one decimal place) up to 3 digital number (no decimal place) the actual resolution does not change, just the way it is displayed on the screen. It is in fact higher resolution than is possible to achieve with analogue console controls.

The reset of a single GEQ band is already on the 'to do' list.

Thanks for the heads up on the output delays, we'll add this as soon as we can, along with the GEQ function.

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Justin Bartlett on February 25, 2013, 12:53:44 PM

This is a bug in G-II. The position of the pot of the screen is correct and the number is wrong (turn the numbers off!). There is an incorrect formula that converts a 'DSP number' into a number we can all use and understand. This will be corrected as soon as we can pull a few other bug fixes together into an interim release.

Hope this helps,

Good grief.  That's no minor glitch.

I was on a Pro2 on a fly date with an artist over the weekend and discovered this problem.  The house guy told me the pop-up number was correct and to ignore the knob legend.  No wonder I was fighting the mixer all night.  I assume there's a firmware fix for this by now, but if so, it wasn't installed in the mixer in question.

I also had a major issue where, when double-patching a channel to use one for the artist's IEMs (mixing mons from FOH), the channel failed to show up in the relevant aux send.  Everything metered OK, the aux send on that channel was turned on, set to pre-fader, and turned up, but no audio appeared in the aux.  The house guy indicated that they had had similar problems before and been unable to determine a cause.

Had great experiences on an M7 and an iLive, respectively, the following two nights.  A Pro2 would still potentially be an interesting choice for a tour where I'm using the same desk every night, but for a one-off show...there's some work to do.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on February 25, 2013, 03:20:55 PM
I also had a major issue where, when double-patching a channel to use one for the artist's IEMs (mixing mons from FOH), the channel failed to show up in the relevant aux send.  Everything metered OK, the aux send on that channel was turned on, set to pre-fader, and turned up, but no audio appeared in the aux.  The house guy indicated that they had had similar problems before and been unable to determine a cause.

Hmm strange, I was doing this on my last show over the weekend and all worked perfectly. However the double (2nd instance) patch was being sent to FOH, with first instance being sent to monitors.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Justin Bartlett on February 25, 2013, 05:39:20 PM
Hmm strange, I was doing this on my last show over the weekend and all worked perfectly. However the double (2nd instance) patch was being sent to FOH, with first instance being sent to monitors.

It actually worked fine for one double-patched channel (vox), but not for another (trax/vid click).  Both set up identically.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Nicholas Radina on February 28, 2013, 09:45:34 PM
Hi All,

trying to wrap my head around the Saving and Storing features of the Pro series.

This past week, I was using a Pro1, everything configured and patched and soundcheck was smooth. I set my headphones down on the desk and hit the "NEXT" button.
I THOUGHT I saved correctly, but I must have not.
I was unable to "find" my show or scene. I had to reprogram and patch from memory with 2 min to spare. Cutting it a bit too close for me. (especially mixing monitors from FOH...geez!)

This was obviously operator error, but I could use some help understanding the proper saving procedure and why there is no option or preference to accept/confirm the "NEXT" scene if hit accidentally.

I understand I must create a show, save a scene.
The scene contains all of the console settings I set up including patching. Correct?
In addition, the patching is a savable item as is the input patching. Must I create these before I save the scene?
I don't understand the scope concept, either.

Thank you for the help!

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Joe Lepore on March 04, 2013, 10:41:28 PM
This was obviously operator error, but I could use some help understanding the proper saving procedure and why there is no option or preference to accept/confirm the "NEXT" scene if hit accidentally.

I agree there should be an option for this.  I have also found when moving quickly and aiming for the "Save" - "Ok" buttons, the NOW button just calls out (being the same color and bigger).  I have hit it by mistake a few times and wiped out all my changes.  I do really think there should be a preference setting to allow confirmation on these buttons.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Jason Kelly on March 19, 2013, 12:35:23 PM
Hi All,

trying to wrap my head around the Saving and Storing features of the Pro series.

This past week, I was using a Pro1, everything configured and patched and soundcheck was smooth. I set my headphones down on the desk and hit the "NEXT" button.
I THOUGHT I saved correctly, but I must have not.
I was unable to "find" my show or scene. I had to reprogram and patch from memory with 2 min to spare. Cutting it a bit too close for me. (especially mixing monitors from FOH...geez!)

This was obviously operator error, but I could use some help understanding the proper saving procedure and why there is no option or preference to accept/confirm the "NEXT" scene if hit accidentally.

I understand I must create a show, save a scene.
The scene contains all of the console settings I set up including patching. Correct?
In addition, the patching is a savable item as is the input patching. Must I create these before I save the scene?
I don't understand the scope concept, either.

Thank you for the help!

Please excuse the long reply, stick with it.........

First some background:

It might help if I first try and explain the way the memory structure of the consoles works, hopefully then it will all click together. I'm also hoping this will help others once they read this too.

The consoles have a layered memory system similar to the way a laptop PC works. You have some RAM, an internal drive and a 'partician' where the console backs up. This would be similar to the hibernation partiction on a PC for instance.

You can use the consoles just like an analogue console, work on it, mix on it, set everything up. Turn it off and it will come back exactly as you left it. This uses both the RAM and the 'hibernation partition' together. This is because the whole systems 'state' is stored to the 'hibernation partician' every 5 seconds or so, while the RAM allows you to work on an entire file. This is slightly different on the offline software, as the hibernation partician doesn't exist. When you want to store the work you've done (on the console or the offline software) the vehicle to do this is a Show File.

When you create a new show file (Automation>New) you will see an empty file with a read only scene at 0. A new show file is basically the same as creating a new folder/file on your desktop. It is an empty folder waiting for data to be stored into it, in our case that data is scenes. So every Show File must have at least one scene in it. Once you have stored a scene you will see the SAVE button go red.

This tells you that the show file you are working on in the RAM is different from the show file backed up on the internal drive. Clicking SAVE synchronises the show file in the RAM with the copy on the internal drive.

Each scene is a complete picture (or snap shot) of the entire console. Every piece of data is stored in each and every scene. This includes network patching, console patching, bus configurations, effects racks, GEQ's, VCA/POP group assignments and everything else I haven't mentioned. A good way to visualise this is to think about the system as 3 layers. The top layer is the network/patching layer, the next layer down is the DSP/architecture layer, then you have the mixing layer (channel parameters). Each scene stores all the data in all 3 of these layers. This means that you can change the way the console is configured and deployed on a scene by scene basis, as all of the 3 layers is stored and recalled.

The key thing is to understand the difference between storing scenes (which is storing data) and saving show files (which is a whole folder of data). Storing scenes adds or overwrites data to the show file that you are working on in the RAM, saving backs up that show file to the internal drive of the console. You do not need to SAVE every time you store or overwrite a scene, only when you have made significant changes that you wish to back up to the internal drive.

If you only have one scene stored then the NEXT button shouldn't do anything, as there is no next scene to be recalled. But the NOW button would recall the scene, is it has not been stored/overwritten. While there is no confirmation for scene recall currently, there are a couple of work arounds. One if to unload or close the show file, this will disable to LAST/NOW/NEXT buttons and even if you lose power the console will come back with the last settings that were on the surface. If you want to store/overwrite a scene reload the show and store to it. Another alternative is to use the rehearsal skip function. Select the scene and edit, click in the skip box of the pop up window. Click on the Rehearsal button in the top right of the Automation screen. The LAST/NOW/NEXT buttons will no longer recall that scene. But you can click on it with the cursor and store/recall if you wish.

The safeing of parameters on the console is split into two distinct sections. The first is the hardware channel safes, these are found on the top of the detail strips. Channel Safes are control surface dependent and are not stored in a scene or as part of a show file. Therefore they are not transfered between control surfaces. They are designed to work as an override of the automation so that it doesn't matter how many files you load, or how many scenes you recall the safed parameters will not change. Recall scopes are different because they are scene dependent, therefore stored as part of the show file on a scene by scene basis. This means they are transfered between consoles as part of the file. If you are going to use recall scopes it's very important that you have at least one scene in your show (presuming you have multiple scenes) that has no recall scopes. This is so that you can recall your basic settings for that show between different consoles.

Patching (and many other parameters) are indeed savable as separate items. We call these presets and they are part of the preset library system. A preset library (part of the preset manager system) is a standalone file type that can be moved between all the consoles in the range. So almost any parameter, effect, patching configuration etc etc can be stored or loaded as a preset.

I hope this has helped in some way.
Once again apologies for the long reply.
Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Brian Wynn on March 20, 2013, 12:23:40 AM
Please excuse the long reply, stick with it.........

First some background:

It might help if I first try and explain the way the memory structure of the consoles works, hopefully then it will all click together. I'm also hoping this will help others once they read this too.

The consoles have a layered memory system similar to the way a laptop PC works. You have some RAM, an internal drive and a 'partician' where the console backs up. This would be similar to the hibernation partiction on a PC for instance.

You can use the consoles just like an analogue console, work on it, mix on it, set everything up. Turn it off and it will come back exactly as you left it. This uses both the RAM and the 'hibernation partition' together. This is because the whole systems 'state' is stored to the 'hibernation partician' every 5 seconds or so, while the RAM allows you to work on an entire file. This is slightly different on the offline software, as the hibernation partician doesn't exist. When you want to store the work you've done (on the console or the offline software) the vehicle to do this is a Show File.

When you create a new show file (Automation>New) you will see an empty file with a read only scene at 0. A new show file is basically the same as creating a new folder/file on your desktop. It is an empty folder waiting for data to be stored into it, in our case that data is scenes. So every Show File must have at least one scene in it. Once you have stored a scene you will see the SAVE button go red.

This tells you that the show file you are working on in the RAM is different from the show file backed up on the internal drive. Clicking SAVE synchronises the show file in the RAM with the copy on the internal drive.

Each scene is a complete picture (or snap shot) of the entire console. Every piece of data is stored in each and every scene. This includes network patching, console patching, bus configurations, effects racks, GEQ's, VCA/POP group assignments and everything else I haven't mentioned. A good way to visualise this is to think about the system as 3 layers. The top layer is the network/patching layer, the next layer down is the DSP/architecture layer, then you have the mixing layer (channel parameters). Each scene stores all the data in all 3 of these layers. This means that you can change the way the console is configured and deployed on a scene by scene basis, as all of the 3 layers is stored and recalled.

The key thing is to understand the difference between storing scenes (which is storing data) and saving show files (which is a whole folder of data). Storing scenes adds or overwrites data to the show file that you are working on in the RAM, saving backs up that show file to the internal drive of the console. You do not need to SAVE every time you store or overwrite a scene, only when you have made significant changes that you wish to back up to the internal drive.

If you only have one scene stored then the NEXT button shouldn't do anything, as there is no next scene to be recalled. But the NOW button would recall the scene, is it has not been stored/overwritten. While there is no confirmation for scene recall currently, there are a couple of work arounds. One if to unload or close the show file, this will disable to LAST/NOW/NEXT buttons and even if you lose power the console will come back with the last settings that were on the surface. If you want to store/overwrite a scene reload the show and store to it. Another alternative is to use the rehearsal skip function. Select the scene and edit, click in the skip box of the pop up window. Click on the Rehearsal button in the top right of the Automation screen. The LAST/NOW/NEXT buttons will no longer recall that scene. But you can click on it with the cursor and store/recall if you wish.

The safeing of parameters on the console is split into two distinct sections. The first is the hardware channel safes, these are found on the top of the detail strips. Channel Safes are control surface dependent and are not stored in a scene or as part of a show file. Therefore they are not transfered between control surfaces. They are designed to work as an override of the automation so that it doesn't matter how many files you load, or how many scenes you recall the safed parameters will not change. Recall scopes are different because they are scene dependent, therefore stored as part of the show file on a scene by scene basis. This means they are transfered between consoles as part of the file. If you are going to use recall scopes it's very important that you have at least one scene in your show (presuming you have multiple scenes) that has no recall scopes. This is so that you can recall your basic settings for that show between different consoles.

Patching (and many other parameters) are indeed savable as separate items. We call these presets and they are part of the preset library system. A preset library (part of the preset manager system) is a standalone file type that can be moved between all the consoles in the range. So almost any parameter, effect, patching configuration etc etc can be stored or loaded as a preset.

I hope this has helped in some way.
Once again apologies for the long reply.
Thanks,

Jason

No offense Jason Kelly we all appreciate the time you take to respond to the questions.  BUT  I asked this same question in the past and it seems that every time it gets brought back to life someone from Midas  responses as to how the system works.  We know how the system works that what we are complaining about.  ITS SUCKS!!!   We are asking the question in hopes that it can get fixed.  It doesn't work like any other console on the market.  I'm very sure that the next function can have a confirmation pop up.  If I go back to scene 0 it has a confirmation.  So that's why I don't understand why that can't be implemented on every scene change???  If it can't then maybe Midas should look at redesigning the filing system.   

I hate to have to make a response like this.  It's just very frustrating that every time a suggestion is made I seen a response as to how the system functions.  They are real world suggestions made by the day to day user's.  Midas should take these suggestions and compile a list and work on the things that everyone wants.  Avid does this on Ideascale.com and it works great.  We suggest, they listen, changes happen.  That should be the roll of the manufacture's programmers. Oh and ditch scene 0 it's dangerous.

Idea #2 Make the sends on fader mode more noticeable. Flash the select LCD's or Flash something on the screen.

Idea #3 Redo the Talk back circuit so it doesn't wipe the assignments every time you turn the talk back off.  I know I know that's how Midas has always done it ever since the old Analog consoles.  Well it's 2013 now not 1981 anymore make it work like it should.  Separate the OSC from the talk back circuit.  That's what everyone wants.

Disclaimer:  I'm sorry if I offended Jason or anyone by my post.

BW

 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Brian Wynn on March 20, 2013, 12:30:05 AM
Another question

I went to line my subs up with PA hangs by delay the other day and wanted to set the OSC to the x over point.  Went in the OSC assigned it sent it to the mains and then went to dial my OSC to the required X over Freq. and low and behold no indication of the freq. i was sending out. The knob on the screen has only a minimum and maximum freq.  No pop up no way to dial it to a exact freq. from what I can tell.  I had to get out my RTA to line up the PA.  Did I miss something or did Midas?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: peter dakin on March 20, 2013, 04:50:05 AM
Another question

I went to line my subs up with PA hangs by delay the other day and wanted to set the OSC to the x over point.  Went in the OSC assigned it sent it to the mains and then went to dial my OSC to the required X over Freq. and low and behold no indication of the freq. i was sending out. The knob on the screen has only a minimum and maximum freq.  No pop up no way to dial it to a exact freq. from what I can tell.  I had to get out my RTA to line up the PA.  Did I miss something or did Midas?
you need to turn the "pop-up" option (or 'Display Rotary Values') on, however in this currently version (2.05r), the pop figure will likely be wrong due to some wrong number crunching. Next update should have this rectified from what I hear.
Page 209 of manual, user preferences > display rotary values.
I have them off at the moment as the incorrect value is distracting, so you would still need an RTA or 'bat-like' ears to identify correct frequency.
So yes, you have missed something, but so have Midas. Watch for updates!  ;D
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Jason Kelly on March 20, 2013, 05:52:22 AM
No offense Jason Kelly we all appreciate the time you take to respond to the questions.  BUT  I asked this same question in the past and it seems that every time it gets brought back to life someone from Midas  responses as to how the system works.  We know how the system works that what we are complaining about.  ITS SUCKS!!!   We are asking the question in hopes that it can get fixed.  It doesn't work like any other console on the market.  I'm very sure that the next function can have a confirmation pop up.  If I go back to scene 0 it has a confirmation.  So that's why I don't understand why that can't be implemented on every scene change???  If it can't then maybe Midas should look at redesigning the filing system.   

I hate to have to make a response like this.  It's just very frustrating that every time a suggestion is made I seen a response as to how the system functions.  They are real world suggestions made by the day to day user's.  Midas should take these suggestions and compile a list and work on the things that everyone wants.  Avid does this on Ideascale.com and it works great.  We suggest, they listen, changes happen.  That should be the roll of the manufacture's programmers. Oh and ditch scene 0 it's dangerous.

Idea #2 Make the sends on fader mode more noticeable. Flash the select LCD's or Flash something on the screen.

Idea #3 Redo the Talk back circuit so it doesn't wipe the assignments every time you turn the talk back off.  I know I know that's how Midas has always done it ever since the old Analog consoles.  Well it's 2013 now not 1981 anymore make it work like it should.  Separate the OSC from the talk back circuit.  That's what everyone wants.

Disclaimer:  I'm sorry if I offended Jason or anyone by my post.

BW

Dear Brian,

No offense taken.

If I have given the impression that 'this is the way we do it, so deal with it' then I'm sorry for this, it was not my intention. Everything that is fed back to us from our users, customers and distribution partners is collated and considered. We keep a running 'league table' of feature requests that is updated regularly and this helps us make product development decisions.

My job here (and specifically with this post) is not to explain how things might work in the future or what we are looking at changing. But to explain how it works 'today', because that is what the user will be faced with. I have also tried to explain the underlying working processes, so that they can better understand the system as a whole. I am not trying to justify 'how' we do things, I'm trying to explain 'how' it works and where possible 'why' it works that way.

It would be foolish to discuss feature development here in a public forum, so I will not be going down that road. It is a rabbit hole we can't go down in this thread. But please be assured that everyone's comments on this forum (and as many of the other forums that we can contribute to) are read and included. It may seem that manufacturers some times choose to 'ignore the customer'. This is definitely not the case with Midas, we try very hard to include our users in development. We may not be able to respond as quickly as some people might like, but that is not the same as ignoring user requests.

I hope this goes some way to putting your mind at rest,
Thanks

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Brian Wynn on March 20, 2013, 07:20:47 PM
you need to turn the "pop-up" option (or 'Display Rotary Values') on, however in this currently version (2.05r), the pop figure will likely be wrong due to some wrong number crunching. Next update should have this rectified from what I hear.
Page 209 of manual, user preferences > display rotary values.
I have them off at the moment as the incorrect value is distracting, so you would still need an RTA or 'bat-like' ears to identify correct frequency.
So yes, you have missed something, but so have Midas. Watch for updates!  ;D

Value pop up is on.  It doesn't display in the OSC page.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: peter dakin on March 21, 2013, 07:40:07 AM
Value pop up is on.  It doesn't display in the OSC page.
hmm interesting..
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Jason Kelly on March 22, 2013, 05:25:43 AM
Another question

I went to line my subs up with PA hangs by delay the other day and wanted to set the OSC to the x over point.  Went in the OSC assigned it sent it to the mains and then went to dial my OSC to the required X over Freq. and low and behold no indication of the freq. i was sending out. The knob on the screen has only a minimum and maximum freq.  No pop up no way to dial it to a exact freq. from what I can tell.  I had to get out my RTA to line up the PA.  Did I miss something or did Midas?

Currently the numeric values are activated via the touch sensitivity of the control surface. As the OSC controls (even on the consoles that have a physical one) aren't touch sensitive you don't get the value pop up.

I can see why, in this application, an absolute OSC value is essential. We cannot have a pop up value for the OSC controls, but we can look at adding a field underneath the OSC frequency parameter (similar to the input/output delays) where you could type in a frequency from the QWERTY keyboard and get the same end result. In many ways, because of the sensitivity and resolution of the rotary control itself, typing in a value would probably be quicker and more accurate.

Thanks,

Jason

 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Doug Fowler on March 22, 2013, 04:07:01 PM
If understand Brian's correctly, I think he was trying to deal with a slightly different issue. By hitting any of the automation buttons on the console surface (accidentally or not) it's possible to move away from the current scene and lose all changes made. He is asking for a system where this does not happen such as a confirmation. I see why Midas has not implemented this as it would severely limit fast scenes changes. However, would it not be possible to put something in the preferences to disable scene changes from these buttons? Hitting them accidentally during a show could be disastrous, far more so than hitting the 'solo in place' button and this always has a cover on it!

Read the rules, fix your display name.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Brian Wynn on March 24, 2013, 11:43:12 PM
Currently the numeric values are activated via the touch sensitivity of the control surface. As the OSC controls (even on the consoles that have a physical one) aren't touch sensitive you don't get the value pop up.

I can see why, in this application, an absolute OSC value is essential. I'm not sure if technically we can have a pop up value for the OSC controls (that's a software engineers call), but we can look at adding a field underneath the OSC frequency parameter (similar to the input/output delays) where you could type in a frequency from the QWERTY keyboard and get the same end result. In many ways, because of the sensitivity and resolution of the rotary control itself, typing in a value would probably be quicker.

Thanks,

Jason

No thats the type of answer I like. Makes me feel like they care about what we want.  Thanks Jason.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Matthew Brown on March 25, 2013, 12:33:49 AM
I am ready to buy a Midas Pro series console but I need to wait untill I can at least control channel EQ's from an ipad.

I'm in Midas! Make it happen!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Justin Bartlett on March 26, 2013, 10:17:46 PM
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Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Kegan Norris on March 28, 2013, 01:18:30 AM
Wait, you're "not sure" if it's possible to display the actual value of the OSC knob without typing it in?

Good grief.

Is the frequency display pop-up fixed in the channel parametric yet?

Justin.

On behalf of everyone who appreciates Jason's help so far, chill out.  We have the ability to ask the head of Midas/KT tech support questions and get detailed answers.  Jason obviously isn't the person designing and writing code for the product.  That was a perfectly reasonable answer.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Brian Wynn on April 01, 2013, 11:18:48 AM
Justin.

On behalf of everyone who appreciates Jason's help so far, chill out.  We have the ability to ask the head of Midas/KT tech support questions and get detailed answers.  Jason obviously isn't the person designing and writing code for the product.  That was a perfectly reasonable answer.

+1
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Saving
Post by: Justin Bartlett on April 01, 2013, 04:34:01 PM
Justin.

On behalf of everyone who appreciates Jason's help so far, chill out.  We have the ability to ask the head of Midas/KT tech support questions and get detailed answers.  Jason obviously isn't the person designing and writing code for the product.  That was a perfectly reasonable answer.

You're right; my apologies.  My frustration turned into rudeness there for a minute.  Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael Archibald on April 03, 2013, 04:43:51 AM
So, the new software version has been announced!!!! Can you tell us when it will be available for download, Jason?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on April 03, 2013, 10:33:05 AM
And for us first time Midas users, how we go about getting the new software.

Also, is there a list of the fixes and additions for the new release?

Thanks!!!!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Al Burgess on April 03, 2013, 06:01:17 PM
A couple of questions....
Is there any way to clear any/all the hardware safes without going through each channel individually?
It only seems possible to set up mute groups from the 'control groups' page, NOT on the surface ( despite what it says in the manual ) - or am I doing something wrong?
and a feature request;
'Muting' a VCA ( I know technically it's not actually a mute, but people are going to use it as if it was) doesn't trigger any kind of indication on the affected channels as to what's going on, which imo has the potential to be very confusing, especially if for example you're working in extended mode or have your VCAs hidden for some other reason. Would it be possible to implement for example a feature where the mute lights flash when they're muted from a vca? and would it be a good idea to have them work as true mutes rather than fader down?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on April 03, 2013, 06:31:08 PM
A couple of questions....
Is there any way to clear any/all the hardware safes without going through each channel individually?
It only seems possible to set up mute groups from the 'control groups' page, NOT on the surface ( despite what it says in the manual ) - or am I doing something wrong?
and a feature request;
'Muting' a VCA ( I know technically it's not actually a mute, but people are going to use it as if it was) doesn't trigger any kind of indication on the affected channels as to what's going on, which imo has the potential to be very confusing, especially if for example you're working in extended mode or have your VCAs hidden for some other reason. Would it be possible to implement for example a feature where the mute lights flash when they're muted from a vca? and would it be a good idea to have them work as true mutes rather than fader down?

I asked this a long time ago and this is the response I received.

When muting VCA's the channel contribution mute lights should indicate a mute state some how.  Blink on stay on solid.

This is a long and twisting road, so I will try and keep this as brief as I can. Unfortunately as with all things (especially when it comes to software) there are limitations, many of which may not become apparent immediately. What I am going to try to do below is give you an insight into how a software engineer needs to look at, what would seem on the outside, a very simple function. The mute buttons are a very good case in point. Because there are really only 3 ways to show a mutes status (off/on/flashing),so it becomes very difficult to show exact information on how a channel is muted and from where. Some examples:
 
1)      When you ‘mute’ a channel from the channel mute you are muting all sends (pre or post) from it
2)      When you ‘mute’ a channel from a mute group you are muting all sends (pre or post) from it
3)      When you ‘mute a channel from a VCA group you are muting only post fader sends from it
4)      Mute groups can contain inputs, outputs or both
5)      VCA groups can contain inputs, outputs or both
There are more examples I can give you
 
As you can see there are too many states, that have different effects on the audio path, that we can display clearly and concisely on one button. For example: What happens when a channel is muted on its channel mute, but also muted within a VCA group? If you unmute the channel you would presume it would turn on (which it might for some pre fade sends), but it would still be muted by the VCA.
 
We will continue to look at as many functional options as we can. We would never discount doing something simply because it was hard. In the future multi-coloured mutes switches might work better than the traditional red. Things were so much easier on analogue consoles!

I figure I would save Jason the time since he already fielded this one for me previously.


Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on April 03, 2013, 06:35:13 PM
And for us first time Midas users, how we go about getting the new software.

Also, is there a list of the fixes and additions for the new release?

Thanks!!!!

+1
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on April 04, 2013, 03:52:27 AM
I asked this a long time ago and this is the response I received.

When muting VCA's the channel contribution mute lights should indicate a mute state some how.  Blink on stay on solid.

This is a long and twisting road, so I will try and keep this as brief as I can. Unfortunately as with all things (especially when it comes to software) there are limitations, many of which may not become apparent immediately. What I am going to try to do below is give you an insight into how a software engineer needs to look at, what would seem on the outside, a very simple function. The mute buttons are a very good case in point. Because there are really only 3 ways to show a mutes status (off/on/flashing),so it becomes very difficult to show exact information on how a channel is muted and from where. Some examples:
 
1)      When you ‘mute’ a channel from the channel mute you are muting all sends (pre or post) from it
2)      When you ‘mute’ a channel from a mute group you are muting all sends (pre or post) from it
3)      When you ‘mute a channel from a VCA group you are muting only post fader sends from it
4)      Mute groups can contain inputs, outputs or both
5)      VCA groups can contain inputs, outputs or both
There are more examples I can give you
 
As you can see there are too many states, that have different effects on the audio path, that we can display clearly and concisely on one button. For example: What happens when a channel is muted on its channel mute, but also muted within a VCA group? If you unmute the channel you would presume it would turn on (which it might for some pre fade sends), but it would still be muted by the VCA.
 
We will continue to look at as many functional options as we can. We would never discount doing something simply because it was hard. In the future multi-coloured mutes switches might work better than the traditional red. Things were so much easier on analogue consoles!

I figure I would save Jason the time since he already fielded this one for me previously.

Thanks Brian, it does indeed save a lot of time.

But I wanted to mention that we are still looking at this issue, we do understand why our users are asking for this kind of indication for mute status. Hopefully we will have a solution/option in a future software update.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael Archibald on April 05, 2013, 06:15:24 AM
I asked this a long time ago and this is the response I received.

When muting VCA's the channel contribution mute lights should indicate a mute state some how.  Blink on stay on solid.

This is a long and twisting road, so I will try and keep this as brief as I can. Unfortunately as with all things (especially when it comes to software) there are limitations, many of which may not become apparent immediately. What I am going to try to do below is give you an insight into how a software engineer needs to look at, what would seem on the outside, a very simple function. The mute buttons are a very good case in point. Because there are really only 3 ways to show a mutes status (off/on/flashing),so it becomes very difficult to show exact information on how a channel is muted and from where. Some examples:
 
1)      When you ‘mute’ a channel from the channel mute you are muting all sends (pre or post) from it
2)      When you ‘mute’ a channel from a mute group you are muting all sends (pre or post) from it
3)      When you ‘mute a channel from a VCA group you are muting only post fader sends from it
4)      Mute groups can contain inputs, outputs or both
5)      VCA groups can contain inputs, outputs or both
There are more examples I can give you
 
As you can see there are too many states, that have different effects on the audio path, that we can display clearly and concisely on one button. For example: What happens when a channel is muted on its channel mute, but also muted within a VCA group? If you unmute the channel you would presume it would turn on (which it might for some pre fade sends), but it would still be muted by the VCA.
 
We will continue to look at as many functional options as we can. We would never discount doing something simply because it was hard. In the future multi-coloured mutes switches might work better than the traditional red. Things were so much easier on analogue consoles!

I figure I would save Jason the time since he already fielded this one for me previously.

I'm sure there are many more examples where this is a problem, but in reply to your final example:

        "What happens when a channel is muted on its channel mute, but also muted within a VCA group? If you unmute the channel you would presume it would turn on (which it might for some pre fade sends), but it would still be muted by the VCA."

On any analogue console I have worked on, as soon as you unmute on the channel whilst the VCA is still muted, the channel mute goes from solid red to flashing red. Seems quite obvious to me. Solid red= local mute, Flashing=non-local mute, off=unmuted.

I see that it gets complicated to show a mute status when a channel may be muted in more than two ways (e.g. channel mute, VCA mute, Mute group) but in the example given, I can't see the problem. All that aside, the biggest issue that needs to be overcome is that when a channels mute light is off all together, the user should be able to assume that the channel is ON completely. Attention only needs to be drawn to the situation when pressing the mute button doesn't have the expected effect and then the cause of the non-local mutes can be investigated further.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on April 05, 2013, 06:52:11 AM
I'm sure there are many more examples where this is a problem, but in reply to your final example:

        "What happens when a channel is muted on its channel mute, but also muted within a VCA group? If you unmute the channel you would presume it would turn on (which it might for some pre fade sends), but it would still be muted by the VCA."

On any analogue console I have worked on, as soon as you unmute on the channel whilst the VCA is still muted, the channel mute goes from solid red to flashing red. Seems quite obvious to me. Solid red= local mute, Flashing=non-local mute, off=unmuted.

I see that it gets complicated to show a mute status when a channel may be muted in more than two ways (e.g. channel mute, VCA mute, Mute group) but in the example given, I can't see the problem. All that aside, the biggest issue that needs to be overcome is that when a channels mute light is off all together, the user should be able to assume that the channel is ON completely. Attention only needs to be drawn to the situation when pressing the mute button doesn't have the expected effect and then the cause of the non-local mutes can be investigated further.

Midas analogue consoles did not have flashing mutes, they worked in exactly the same way as our digital consoles do now. I'm not using this as any kind of excuse to not make the digital consoles work differently, I'm just stating a fact.

I'm really trying to avoid getting into an intellectual discussion here on this subject, as I've already said to Brian, it's a very deep rabbit hole. We are looking at ways we can improve this particular part of the UI. Making lights flash might not be the way we decide to do it.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael Archibald on April 05, 2013, 11:40:26 AM
Midas analogue consoles did not have flashing mutes, they worked in exactly the same way as our digital consoles do now. I'm not using this as any kind of excuse to not make the digital consoles work differently, I'm just stating a fact.

I'm really trying to avoid getting into an intellectual discussion here on this subject, as I've already said to Brian, it's a very deep rabbit hole. We are looking at ways we can improve this particular part of the UI. Making lights flash might not be the way we decide to do it.

Thanks,

Jason

No problem. I understand.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Árni F. Sigurðsson on April 08, 2013, 12:03:42 AM
Making lights flash might not be the way we decide to do it.

Thanks,

Jason

You and flashing lights aren't best friends I hear :)

I was working on an analog console (soundcraft MH3) that had flashing mutes. Can't remember if it was a VCA mute or mute groups that caused flashing (or both) but I liked it.

the A&H iLive has a "DCA Mute" LED on each channels. You could maybe have an option to use the "Mute safe" light as a "VCA Mute indicator" although that still leaves the problem how to indicate if you are actually using the Mute safe.

I'm sure this will be solved with time and that the solution will be satisfying to most users.

Also really looking forward to see the 2.1 release notes and try it out myself.

Just to add how much I love the "Collapsed Flip" option for doing MON (especially when channel counts get higher)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Al Burgess on April 10, 2013, 07:27:34 AM
Hi Jason

Ok well I won't trouble you further with the mute indication issue ( although I do have an opinion on it!) but I was just wondering about the other 2 questions in my post?

Thanks

Alan

Thanks Brian, it does indeed save a lot of time.

But I wanted to mention that we are still looking at this issue, we do understand why our users are asking for this kind of indication for mute status. Hopefully we will have a solution/option in a future software update.

Thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on April 10, 2013, 10:19:34 AM
A couple of questions....
Is there any way to clear any/all the hardware safes without going through each channel individually?
It only seems possible to set up mute groups from the 'control groups' page, NOT on the surface ( despite what it says in the manual ) - or am I doing something wrong?
and a feature request;
'Muting' a VCA ( I know technically it's not actually a mute, but people are going to use it as if it was) doesn't trigger any kind of indication on the affected channels as to what's going on, which imo has the potential to be very confusing, especially if for example you're working in extended mode or have your VCAs hidden for some other reason. Would it be possible to implement for example a feature where the mute lights flash when they're muted from a vca? and would it be a good idea to have them work as true mutes rather than fader down?

Al, my apologies for not answering the other two questions.

Unfortunately the manual is a little misleading and refers to the way the PRO3/6/9 operates on mute group selection, this has been fixed on the next amendment of the manuals. On PRO1/2 it is only possible to assign from the GUI. But I personally find it much faster to assign my mute groups from the screen anyway. A useful trick to remember (for all VCA/POP/Mute groups) is that standard QWERTY keyboard short cuts work as they would on a PC. So you can select one channel, scroll down, press 'shift' on the keyboard and click on that channel to select a bunch. Command-click also works in the same way. It's a lot faster than pressing the select buttons on 48 input channels one by one.

As you probably know hardware safes are at the very top of the control hierarchy, they override all automation and show file control. They are the ultimate 'safe' on a channel as they are not show file dependent, but control surface dependent. So they are very useful for isolating output EQ's and faders on a festival for example (there are many more examples for their use), but still be able to import someone's show file. So having a button that allows you to clear them all would kind of defeat the objective of having them, which is that they are the 'ultimate' control. If it was easy to turn them off/on then their effectiveness would be much more limited.

Now I know that you could argue that not being able to turn them all off easily adds a layer of complexity when you just want to start afresh on a console, or when it gets back from a show to the warehouse and needs prep'ing for the next gig. This is why we added the hardware safe overview screen, so that you could keep that up on the GUI and just jump to channels and turn off/on the safes you need to quickly. It's a very balance to keep, but between the recall scopes and the hardware safes there's very little you can't do.

As usual I've waffled on for far too long,
But I hope I've answered your original question at least,
Thanks,

Jason
 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on April 10, 2013, 12:08:52 PM
Jason can you comment on the updates or fixes to the new software version 2.1?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: JamesButera on April 10, 2013, 03:06:03 PM
Jason,

   Not sure if this feature has been requested so here goes: On VENUE you can hold the Default Key and click on individual bands of EQ to flatten Gain & Q width. Midas offers all band flatten ability but individual would be great. Also the Multi-Select button on VENUE allows the user to quickly group channels and then move their faders while retaining relative level/balance between them. Also banks of 8 can be quickly selected by clicking below the bank of the screen. This would be a huge help in festival or blow and go type situations. Yes, I do realize VENUE has been a constant evolution of features and bug-fixes over the years; since I've been a huge user/supporter since day 1 I will admit all it's feature weren't available right off the bat.

 Also in regards to the ability to drag/drop or insert a newly added channel: For me personally the POP Groups have changed my mindset completely in regards to console layout and setup. The first few weeks it really frustrated me until I embraced the fact that it doesn't HAVE to match the input list in terms of numerical or start-finish order. If something gets added, put it after the last channel and then assign it to the associated POP & VCA group. Even for line check I'm using POP/VCA to go through all the inputs. I never leave a POP or VCA ever. After the channel has been added migrate the channel and all it's settings in Show Editor to the rest of the scenes and your golden. Hope this gives people another perspective.....
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Kelly on April 11, 2013, 04:42:15 AM
Jason,

   Not sure if this feature has been requested so here goes: On VENUE you can hold the Default Key and click on individual bands of EQ to flatten Gain & Q width. Midas offers all band flatten ability but individual would be great. Also the Multi-Select button on VENUE allows the user to quickly group channels and then move their faders while retaining relative level/balance between them. Also banks of 8 can be quickly selected by clicking below the bank of the screen. This would be a huge help in festival or blow and go type situations. Yes, I do realize VENUE has been a constant evolution of features and bug-fixes over the years; since I've been a huge user/supporter since day 1 I will admit all it's feature weren't available right off the bat.

 Also in regards to the ability to drag/drop or insert a newly added channel: For me personally the POP Groups have changed my mindset completely in regards to console layout and setup. The first few weeks it really frustrated me until I embraced the fact that it doesn't HAVE to match the input list in terms of numerical or start-finish order. If something gets added, put it after the last channel and then assign it to the associated POP & VCA group. Even for line check I'm using POP/VCA to go through all the inputs. I never leave a POP or VCA ever. After the channel has been added migrate the channel and all it's settings in Show Editor to the rest of the scenes and your golden. Hope this gives people another perspective.....

Hi James,

Many thanks for taking the time to post and offer your perspective after using the consoles. We are continuing to work on improvements and the POP/VCA group concept is a huge part of that.

I'm happy to say that the propositions you've put forward are already on the list of possible future features. So hopefully some of them will start to filter into upcoming software updates.

Many thanks,

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: lukebanton on April 15, 2013, 06:19:25 PM
Jason, are you able to say when 2.1 will be available to download?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on April 16, 2013, 12:22:08 AM
Jason, are you able to say when 2.1 will be available to download?

+1

And a list of changes..
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael Archibald on April 18, 2013, 07:37:40 AM
Jason, are you able to say when 2.1 will be available to download?

+2

Also, I use the second set of 8 auxes as sub groups. I would like a fast way of assigning channels to these as would be possible on an analogue desk. Following the logic of the pro 2, I would have thought that holding the aux select button down and selecting channel buttons (like when assigning to pop groups or VCAs) would assign to groups, but unfortunately this doesn't work. Any chance of implementing this feature?
I realise that this would actually be toggling the on/off button for that each channel on the selected mix and it can be done elsewhere, but it's really clunky and slow.
It would aid mixing monitors. I always have all auxes for monitors turned on because it's so slow to go through and turn on the ones you need. However, this means that  there are a lot of unnecessary channels displayed when in flip mode. I'd like to see just the ones I am sending to that monitor to use as the feature was intended.

Is this something coming up in the new update maybe?

Another slight bug bear: I select a group (aux9-16), then I select eq or compression or whatever to adjust. I then want to deselect that group and go back to mixing my channels. However I can't just press the group (aux) select button to de-select it, I must first de-select the eq or compression (or whatever I was adjusting) first, and only then will de-selecting the group do as I would expect. Is this a glitch or is there a reason for it?

Sorry to go on, but, is there a reason why the gains on linked channels don't link while the phantom does? Too many visiting engineers assume gains are linked and I have to keep a check on it.

All of these things are small details to be honest, but I have to say, I really do love mixing on the Pro 2. Keep up the good work Midas!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on April 26, 2013, 10:35:25 AM
Hi Guys,

Just thought I'd post up and introduce myself properly, as Jason has moved on to new challenges (as you may have spotted if you have noticed his new forum signature).
Anyway, I have returned to Midas as a Technical Support manager, and we have also recruited a new Technical Support manager in the form of my colleague Gert Sanner, and we look forward to trying to provide as much assistance as Jason has done so admirably in the past.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Árni F. Sigurðsson on April 28, 2013, 11:05:17 PM
Nice to see you Rob. It has been really helpful to have Jason around and he has helped explain to me and others many questions that have popped up in this forum.  Having met Jason personally (and enjoyed a nice dinner when he came over to upgrade our consoles) it's sad to see such great technical support manager leaving, although I'm sure you and Gert will do a great job answering questions here and elsewhere.

Hope we get the chance to meet one day and hope that Jason enjoys his new spot at SSL.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Scott B Nelson on April 29, 2013, 09:02:12 PM
Am I missing something, but where is the preset load/save buttons on the Group assignment page?  ???

I changed the layout of my faders and so I need to change the VCA/POP group assignments, but it looks like I have to do that for every scene!  :(

What I'd like to do instead, is to make my changes once and save a preset, then recall that preset once for each scene.

If I can't do this, could you please add it to your list of possible enhancements?

Thanks,
Scott
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Scott B Nelson on April 29, 2013, 09:03:47 PM
Am I missing something, but where is the preset load/save buttons on the Group assignment page?  ???

I changed the layout of my faders and so I need to change the VCA/POP group assignments, but it looks like I have to do that for every scene!  :(

What I'd like to do instead, is to make my changes once and save a preset, then recall that preset once for each scene.

If I can't do this, could you please add it to your list of possible enhancements?

Thanks,
Scott

(the first part of that post was for anyone, the last part was for a Midas person  ;D )
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Christian Güssmer on April 30, 2013, 02:58:35 PM
Dear Midas people: when will there be an editor available for PCs?

I spent some time getting to know a Pro2 and I really like the basic idea. But with a system as complex as a desk in that range is, it absolutely makes no sense trying to work with it if there is no editor.
As the MacOS is a closed universe there is no real chance to virtualize or emulate it, so I'm hoping Midas is giving us a PC version soon (be it linux or windows...).

(and please: this is not about discussing operating systems)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tucker Dragoo on April 30, 2013, 04:33:52 PM
We have a pro2c and I very much like the way it functions and the level of support I have received has been amazing! That being said here are a few features that I think would put it over the top.

User Assignable Buttons/knobs -
     1) include the foot switch 1&2 as a part of the UAB section to allow wider uses of these.
     2) Make the UABs capable of being selected channel controls such as "selected channel gain, hi pass, EQ Freq, EQ Gain, EQ Q" think soundcheck workflow where you dont need access to everything just the quick line check items.
     
VCA/Mute/Pop
     1) VCA Mutes as many others have stated it would be nice to be able to select a mode that would mute the physical channels not just the main output of them.
     2) The ability to paste to scenes the contents of Mute Groups the way you can many other functions.
     3) A setting to order the contents of a POP or VCA group as you selected them not by channel number. *EDIT*

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on May 01, 2013, 10:20:22 AM
Dear Midas people: when will there be an editor available for PCs?

I spent some time getting to know a Pro2 and I really like the basic idea. But with a system as complex as a desk in that range is, it absolutely makes no sense trying to work with it if there is no editor.
As the MacOS is a closed universe there is no real chance to virtualize or emulate it, so I'm hoping Midas is giving us a PC version soon (be it linux or windows...).

(and please: this is not about discussing operating systems)
From what I heard, no time soon.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 02, 2013, 09:12:02 AM
Am I missing something, but where is the preset load/save buttons on the Group assignment page?  ???

I changed the layout of my faders and so I need to change the VCA/POP group assignments, but it looks like I have to do that for every scene!  :(

What I'd like to do instead, is to make my changes once and save a preset, then recall that preset once for each scene.

If I can't do this, could you please add it to your list of possible enhancements?

Thanks,
Scott

Hi Scott,

You are correct in that unfortunately it is not possible to change the POP/VCA assignments globally, or to save a preset of their members. Obviously we are continually revising software versions and both adding new features and improving workflow, so this is something that we will look into with our R&D team.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 02, 2013, 10:38:20 AM
Dear Midas people: when will there be an editor available for PCs?

I spent some time getting to know a Pro2 and I really like the basic idea. But with a system as complex as a desk in that range is, it absolutely makes no sense trying to work with it if there is no editor.
As the MacOS is a closed universe there is no real chance to virtualize or emulate it, so I'm hoping Midas is giving us a PC version soon (be it linux or windows...).

(and please: this is not about discussing operating systems)

Hi Christian,

Unfortunately this is unlikely to happen, as we originally tried to create an offline editor for a PC, but it proved almost impossible to make it work properly on Windows machines. The actual offline editor is actually running something close to the console software, which runs easily within the Unix software on a Mac, hence why the offline editor is Mac only.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Christian Güssmer on May 02, 2013, 03:54:15 PM
Unfortunately this is unlikely to happen, as we originally tried to create an offline editor for a PC, but it proved almost impossible to make it work properly on Windows machines. The actual offline editor is actually running something close to the console software, which runs easily within the Unix software on a Mac, hence why the offline editor is Mac only.

If it is close to the console software, why not release a Linux version? Any Windows (and Mac) user can run a VirtualBox or start a LiveCD, which is not possible with MacOS.
Unfortunately there are 2 companies around here discussing investments and the Pro2 is really interesting, but without a working editor...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 02, 2013, 06:25:29 PM
If it is close to the console software, why not release a Linux version? Any Windows (and Mac) user can run a VirtualBox or start a LiveCD, which is not possible with MacOS.
Unfortunately there are 2 companies around here discussing investments and the Pro2 is really interesting, but without a working editor...

Hi Christian,

Firstly, it is not entirely correct to say we do not have a working editor, as we do, it is just Mac OS only.

I cannot comment on the more technical reasons on the exact details as to whether we can ever release a Linux version, as I am not a programmer or an R&D engineer, so I can only really communicate what I am told. However, I know one of the main issues is consistency of hardware and our ability to facilitate thorough testing.
However, I will bring this up in the next meeting I have with the software guys and get their thought on the matter, and let you know.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Steve Payne on May 03, 2013, 09:18:08 AM
If it is close to the console software, why not release a Linux version? Any Windows (and Mac) user can run a VirtualBox or start a LiveCD, which is not possible with MacOS.
Unfortunately there are 2 companies around here discussing investments and the Pro2 is really interesting, but without a working editor...

Really?  A little "reverse discrimination", or, "the shoe is on the other foot" kind of thing?  My OS of preference is Mac.  Most of the audio tools I use are Windows only control.  I get it and have no problem with whatever OS a hardware manufacturer chooses to use for whatever reasons they see fit.  I run them under emulation on an Apple product or buy a native Windows machine(s) if I want tablet control (Lake).  If a major audio tool ticks all of my boxes I could care less what software platform they run on.  Buying an appropriate (used?) computer to run the software is not a big expense or a big deal when measured against the cost of the audio tool.  My suggestion to anyone is, do not shoot yourself in the foot over software platform.  Diversify and rule the world.  Cheers.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on May 03, 2013, 10:07:41 AM
  ... Buying an appropriate (used?) computer to run the software is not a big expense or a big deal when measured against the cost of the audio tool.  My suggestion to anyone is, do not shoot yourself in the foot over software platform... 

EXACTLY!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: nate d dreger on May 03, 2013, 12:15:29 PM
I'm a soon to be user of a pro2c and have been playing with the offline editor and can't seem to get automation to work correctly.  The problem is with selective recall.  A scene with full recall seems to work fine but if, for example, I want to only recall the fader position of channel 1 it doesn't seem to work.  I think I understand the setup but it doesn't seem to recall.  Is this a software problem on the editor? Or am I missing something?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 03, 2013, 12:39:34 PM
I'm a soon to be user of a pro2c and have been playing with the offline editor and can't seem to get automation to work correctly.  The problem is with selective recall.  A scene with full recall seems to work fine but if, for example, I want to only recall the fader position of channel 1 it doesn't seem to work.  I think I understand the setup but it doesn't seem to recall.  Is this a software problem on the editor? Or am I missing something?

Hi Nate,

First, you must remember to save the recall scope into the scene before it will work. If you simply turn the scope on and then recall the scene before saving it, the scene and its scope will recall to the point at which it was last saved.
I hope that's clear.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: nate d dreger on May 03, 2013, 12:43:19 PM
Hi Nate,

First, you must remember to save the recall scope into the scene before it will work. If you simply turn the scope on and then recall the scene before saving it, the scene and its scope will recall to the point at which it was last saved.
I hope that's clear.

thanks for the response Rob, I'll make sure that's the case.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 03, 2013, 12:46:57 PM
Hi Scott,

You are correct in that unfortunately it is not possible to change the POP/VCA assignments globally, or to save a preset of their members. Obviously we are continually revising software versions and both adding new features and improving workflow, so this is something that we will look into with our R&D team.

Okay, a little update. We have looked into this today, and technically the operation of the show editor has a bug which stopped this working as it should.
Basically, if you select the VCA/POP Groups in the show editor and paste them into another scene/scenes, it will modify the members of the selected VCA/POP groups, but will also modify the VCA fader levels, even if 'fader section' isn't selected.
This will hopefully be fixed in a future version of software to allow modifying member WITHOU fader levels through the show editor. I have also mentioned the idea of being able to save a preset of the VCA/POP/Mute members as a possible feature request.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Christian Güssmer on May 03, 2013, 01:41:40 PM
Hi Christian,

Firstly, it is not entirely correct to say we do not have a working editor, as we do, it is just Mac OS only.

I cannot comment on the more technical reasons on the exact details as to whether we can ever release a Linux version, as I am not a programmer or an R&D engineer, so I can only really communicate what I am told. However, I know one of the main issues is consistency of hardware and our ability to facilitate thorough testing.
However, I will bring this up in the next meeting I have with the software guys and get their thought on the matter, and let you know.

Thanks, I really appreciate that someone from Midas is here to respond!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on May 03, 2013, 03:31:23 PM
Rob....I know this has been asked a couple of times but I haven't seen a definitive answer yet:

When will the new version of the software be available to us end users?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Ekim Baran on May 03, 2013, 07:20:28 PM
Hello,

I just bought Pro2,DL251 and DN9650 dante version. Even though Dante works up to 64x64ch, I can see just 32 ch. Dante works 32ch@96kHz and 64ch@48kHz. I assume that the bridge can connect two different sample rate network together. Is it possible to use the network bridge as 64 in and 64 out.

Thank you
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Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 04, 2013, 04:34:13 AM
Rob....I know this has been asked a couple of times but I haven't seen a definitive answer yet:

When will the new version of the software be available to us end users?

Thanks.

Hi David,

We are currently testing the new software, but we cannot give a definitive answer as we can never predict how long testing will take. I know this isn't the answer you want to hear, but I would rather be honest than promise a date which may not happen should we encounter any issues.
Hopefully it won't be too long though. 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 04, 2013, 04:39:24 AM
Hello,

I just bought Pro2,DL251 and DN9650 dante version. Even though Dante works up to 64x64ch, I can see just 32 ch. Dante works 32ch@96kHz and 64ch@48kHz. I assume that the bridge can connect two different sample rate network together. Is it possible to use the network bridge as 64 in and 64 out.

Thank you

Hi Ekim,

The DN9650 is fully sample rate converted, but unfortunately the Dante card is only capable of 32 x 32 even at 48kHz. This is due to the limitations of the Audinate CM1 card, not the DN9650.
We are working on a Klark Teknik 64 x 64 CM1 Dante card, but this is not yet available.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on May 04, 2013, 09:09:42 AM
Hi David,

We are currently testing the new software, but we cannot give a definitive answer as we can never predict how long testing will take. I know this isn't the answer you want to hear, but I would rather be honest than promise a date which may not happen should we encounter any issues.
Hopefully it won't be too long though.

Thanks Rob....understand completely.  I was just under the impression that it was released last month at PLS.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael Archibald on May 08, 2013, 07:58:30 PM
Thanks Rob....understand completely.  I was just under the impression that it was released last month at PLS.

Thanks.

I had quick play around (without sound) on a Pro1 that we got lent by the company that supplied our Pro2. It's looking pretty good and a few extra exciting features and effects that I'm looking forward to using on our Pro 2 when the software is released. I was wondering if I might be able to 'extract' the software to a stick somehow ;)

Anyway, I forgot to check this one MAJOR issue. I have asked this before, but I never received an answer: Is there going to be an option in the preferences to 'lock out' the automation buttons on the surface?
Last saturday, a visiting engineer pressed the next button instead of the tap button. It was just at the end of soundcheck and he hadn't yet saved it, so he lost everything. During the show, he did it again and this time went to a scene with all channels muted, hit back to go to his scene, but then had to un-mute all his channels and lost all the changes he'd made since the start of the set. All the messing around meant that there was a lot of beer thrown at the stage!
Another engineer today said that he'd done the exact a
same thing when he was last on the desk.
I mean, this is a MAJOR issue and Midas are being really quiet about it. What if, for example, hitting next took you to a scene where channels weren't muted and there was screaming feedback and people were on in-ears? The mind boggles at all the disasters and potential law suits that could follow.....
Why is the solo in place button so protected when it doesn't take much to rectify that issue when there is no 'undo' to a scene change.
This needs to be a priority!!!!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on May 08, 2013, 09:42:05 PM
I had quick play around (without sound) on a Pro1 that we got lent by the company that supplied our Pro2. It's looking pretty good and a few extra exciting features and effects that I'm looking forward to using on our Pro 2 when the software is released. I was wondering if I might be able to 'extract' the software to a stick somehow ;)

Anyway, I forgot to check this one MAJOR issue. I have asked this before, but I never received an answer: Is there going to be an option in the preferences to 'lock out' the automation buttons on the surface?
Last saturday, a visiting engineer pressed the next button instead of the tap button. It was just at the end of soundcheck and he hadn't yet saved it, so he lost everything. During the show, he did it again and this time went to a scene with all channels muted, hit back to go to his scene, but then had to un-mute all his channels and lost all the changes he'd made since the start of the set. All the messing around meant that there was a lot of beer thrown at the stage!
Another engineer today said that he'd done the exact a
same thing when he was last on the desk.
I mean, this is a MAJOR issue and Midas are being really quiet about it. What if, for example, hitting next took you to a scene where channels weren't muted and there was screaming feedback and people were on in-ears? The mind boggles at all the disasters and potential law suits that could follow.....
Why is the solo in place button so protected when it doesn't take much to rectify that issue when there is no 'undo' to a scene change.
This needs to be a priority!!!!

100% Correct!!!

It makes me think that the team who designed the Pro series consoles have never mixed a show before.  I have a list of complaints about the desk's that I'm hoping get rectified soon.  I refuse to even take the desk out at this point.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 10, 2013, 07:32:42 AM
I had quick play around (without sound) on a Pro1 that we got lent by the company that supplied our Pro2. It's looking pretty good and a few extra exciting features and effects that I'm looking forward to using on our Pro 2 when the software is released. I was wondering if I might be able to 'extract' the software to a stick somehow ;)

Anyway, I forgot to check this one MAJOR issue. I have asked this before, but I never received an answer: Is there going to be an option in the preferences to 'lock out' the automation buttons on the surface?
Last saturday, a visiting engineer pressed the next button instead of the tap button. It was just at the end of soundcheck and he hadn't yet saved it, so he lost everything. During the show, he did it again and this time went to a scene with all channels muted, hit back to go to his scene, but then had to un-mute all his channels and lost all the changes he'd made since the start of the set. All the messing around meant that there was a lot of beer thrown at the stage!
Another engineer today said that he'd done the exact a
same thing when he was last on the desk.
I mean, this is a MAJOR issue and Midas are being really quiet about it. What if, for example, hitting next took you to a scene where channels weren't muted and there was screaming feedback and people were on in-ears? The mind boggles at all the disasters and potential law suits that could follow.....
Why is the solo in place button so protected when it doesn't take much to rectify that issue when there is no 'undo' to a scene change.
This needs to be a priority!!!!

Hi Michael,

You can disable the automation buttons on any of the Midas Digital consoles, and this can be done by going to the 'filing' page and clicking on the 'close' button to close the show. The way our file management works, if you close the show, you simply unload the scenes and the automation buttons will not function at all.
Then, once you want the automation buttons to be reactivated, you can reload your show, which will simply repopulate the scene list, and allow you to store your scene, and save your show.

An alternative, is simply to copy your selected scene, and paste it to adjacent scenes so that if you 'accidentally' press the scene button, you will at least not find the console muting itself.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 10, 2013, 07:34:37 AM
100% Correct!!!

It makes me think that the team who designed the Pro series consoles have never mixed a show before.  I have a list of complaints about the desk's that I'm hoping get rectified soon.  I refuse to even take the desk out at this point.

Hi Brian,

I am not sure who you have sent your complaints list to, but if you would care to send it to me at CUSTTechProfEMEA@Music-Group.com then we will be happy to take a look at it for you.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael Archibald on May 14, 2013, 08:24:16 PM
Hi Michael,

You can disable the automation buttons on any of the Midas Digital consoles, and this can be done by going to the 'filing' page and clicking on the 'close' button to close the show. The way our file management works, if you close the show, you simply unload the scenes and the automation buttons will not function at all.
Then, once you want the automation buttons to be reactivated, you can reload your show, which will simply repopulate the scene list, and allow you to store your scene, and save your show.

An alternative, is simply to copy your selected scene, and paste it to adjacent scenes so that if you 'accidentally' press the scene button, you will at least not find the console muting itself.

Ok, thanks. Yeah, I see how that would work, but kind of seems like a work around rather than an efficient way to do it.
I mean it's just a bit clunky. Then, to change scenes, one would need to find and select your showfile, load it, then scroll to scene and select it. If you just wanted to change to the next scene (as most users will need to) it only takes a couple of button presses and no searching.
For the extra hassle, I imagine most engineers wouldn't bother un-loading the showfile. It's silly, but it's tiny niggles like that that stand out and makes something appear well designed or not even when the rest of the desk is amazing. Maybe it's the idea of attention to detail.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Scott B Nelson on May 14, 2013, 09:54:10 PM
Ok, thanks. Yeah, I see how that would work, but kind of seems like a work around rather than an efficient way to do it.
I mean it's just a bit clunky. Then, to change scenes, one would need to find and select your showfile, load it, then scroll to scene and select it. If you just wanted to change to the next scene (as most users will need to) it only takes a couple of button presses and no searching.
For the extra hassle, I imagine most engineers wouldn't bother un-loading the showfile. It's silly, but it's tiny niggles like that that stand out and makes something appear well designed or not even when the rest of the desk is amazing. Maybe it's the idea of attention to detail.

Huh?   ???  You want to disable automation but also use automation?  Is what you are asking for is an automatic overwrite of the current scene on any change?  Me, I just press STORE + Overwrite Scene + OK when I make changes.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Árni F. Sigurðsson on May 16, 2013, 09:52:09 AM
Maybe not the place for a feature request, but at a festival earlier I was using the summing mixer as a crossover for a side fill with sub, I really missed being able to get a LPF on the top band of the EQ down to around 80Hz. Had to use 3 different EQ to do a proper LPF for the Sub.

I also miss the time display from the Automation page in the Overview default screen. I often use my monitor mixer clock as the "official stage clock" on a festival.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 17, 2013, 06:24:11 AM
Maybe not the place for a feature request, but at a festival earlier I was using the summing mixer as a crossover for a side fill with sub, I really missed being able to get a LPF on the top band of the EQ down to around 80Hz. Had to use 3 different EQ to do a proper LPF for the Sub.

I also miss the time display from the Automation page in the Overview default screen. I often use my monitor mixer clock as the "official stage clock" on a festival.

Hi Arni,

I am not entirely sure what you mean by 'summing mixer', but if you need to use outputs as a crossover, the output para steric features 6 full 16-25khz parametric filters, and by pressing the shape button on the top band, you can create either a 6dB/octave or 12dB/octave Lo Pass filter that can sweep all the way down to 16hz if needed.
Obviously the console is not a speaker processor and not designed as such, but this is very powerful EQ that can be utilised to get you out of trouble when needed.
Just for info, the same can be done on the lowest band to create Hi Pass filters, and if you press the shape button when on band 2 of the output parametric, it will combine band 1 and band 2 to create a 24dB/octave Hi Pass.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Árni F. Sigurðsson on May 17, 2013, 02:28:05 PM
Matrix mixer I was going to say! :)

For a festival I pached me Aux send to a Matrix Mixer, to split the signal into Top and Sub. I missed having the top EQ band fully parametric in the matrix mixer, like on the Aux outputs.

For the same festival I also patched into the matrix mixer a "DJ Booth monitor" input, so the DJ booth never went through my input channels, which worked really well for my setup.

No deal breaker, but maybe something to consider. I can see other setups where the matrix mixer could be used as a makeshift speaker processor so being able to properly lowpass a sub output could be beneficial.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 17, 2013, 02:45:12 PM
Matrix mixer I was going to say! :)

For a festival I pached me Aux send to a Matrix Mixer, to split the signal into Top and Sub. I missed having the top EQ band fully parametric in the matrix mixer, like on the Aux outputs.

For the same festival I also patched into the matrix mixer a "DJ Booth monitor" input, so the DJ booth never went through my input channels, which worked really well for my setup.

No deal breaker, but maybe something to consider. I can see other setups where the matrix mixer could be used as a makeshift speaker processor so being able to properly lowpass a sub output could be beneficial.

Unfortunately this won't ever happen, simply due to the way the DSP is allocated. The fact that we managed to create such a fully functional matrix mixer using the FX DSP is pushing its limits already. Nice idea, but not possible I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Steve Ratcliff on May 18, 2013, 05:49:52 PM
Midas should make it so that you can save scene by scene with a option to confirm scene changes.

BW

+1
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on May 27, 2013, 02:37:31 PM
We've ordered and are now waiting the shipment of a Pro2.
My question: Are the 8 matrix buses stereo? Can they be put into stereo "mode"? Using the off line editor, I couldn't find how to do this.
Thanks, Duane
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mac Kerr on May 27, 2013, 02:46:21 PM
We've ordered and are now waiting the shipment of a Pro2.
My question: Are the 8 matrix buses stereo? Can they be put into stereo "mode"? Using the off line editor, I couldn't find how to do this.
Thanks, Duane

I would think that a question like that should have been answered before you bought the console. Before making the decision to buy a particular console you should have a complete understanding of what the various consoles in the category are capable of.

Mac
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on May 27, 2013, 04:06:33 PM
I would think that a question like that should have been answered before you bought the console.
Mac

Uh yes, thanks for the help, still wondering.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on May 28, 2013, 05:18:22 AM
Uh yes, thanks for the help, still wondering.

Hi Duane,

The Matrix's can be linked in stereo, linking 1&2, 3&4, 5&6 and 7&8, with different linking options for every link if needed, but each matrix cannot become a 'stereo' matrix.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on June 01, 2013, 12:40:58 PM
Hi Duane,

The Matrix's can be linked in stereo, linking 1&2, 3&4, 5&6 and 7&8

Found the "matrix mixer" in the effects rack. I'm excited, it gives me the number of stereo bus outputs I need, Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on June 10, 2013, 02:35:44 PM
Also, where's the DL251 manual? I looked all over midasconsoles.com and didn't find it. Thanks,
Duane
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael Archibald on June 28, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
Is it possible to connect a Behringer X32 to a midas pro2 (directly via aes50 or via the DL251) so that the X32 can run monitors? I know the X32 is only 48khz, so I would assume that the DL251 would have to be running at this sample rate and the Midas would adjust itself automatically to suit. Does anyone have any experience of this and if so, please spill the beans as I need to get ours configured to work this way. Cheers.
Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: jason misterka on June 28, 2013, 11:09:49 PM
Is it possible to connect a Behringer X32 to a midas pro2 (directly via aes50 or via the DL251) so that the X32 can run monitors? I know the X32 is only 48khz, so I would assume that the DL251 would have to be running at this sample rate and the Midas would adjust itself automatically to suit. Does anyone have any experience of this and if so, please spill the beans as I need to get ours configured to work this way. Cheers.

I have not done this though I may need to in a month or two as the recording booth at a festival we provide for is switching from a borrowed O2R to a x32.  We will have a Pro console at FOH and I will be feeding them via AES50 from the PRO desks AES50 output.

You can set specific AES50 ports to 48K while still running the PRO console and DL251 at 96K.

So I think that will work fine.  The PRO handles the preamp control but both desks have digital trim.

I have yet to see an x32 in the wild strangely but I'm pretty sure this is possible.

Jason

Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on July 02, 2013, 06:13:55 AM
I have not done this though I may need to in a month or two as the recording booth at a festival we provide for is switching from a borrowed O2R to a x32.  We will have a Pro console at FOH and I will be feeding them via AES50 from the PRO desks AES50 output.

You can set specific AES50 ports to 48K while still running the PRO console and DL251 at 96K.

So I think that will work fine.  The PRO handles the preamp control but both desks have digital trim.

I have yet to see an x32 in the wild strangely but I'm pretty sure this is possible.

Jason

Hi guys,

Sorry for the late reply, but I have been away on holiday, and then away on business with less than adequate internet coverage or time to monitor the forums, but I am back in the office now and want to clear up a couple of misconceptions.

Firstly, the Midas digital console operate EXCLUSIVELY at 96Khz, and ALL of the AES50 ports on ALL of the Midas digital console will only operate at 96Khz. The DL251 can be set to 48Khz but this was only for use as a digital snake, meaning you can then connect a DL251 to a DL252 with 1 x CAT5 cable and have all of the channels working.
You can connect the DL251 to an X32, but you will have no pre-amp control as the control data is not the same. EDIT - my bad, I have just found out that they have modified the X32 software to allow control of the pre-amps in a DL251, so it will work perfectly.

The only part of the Midas digital consoles that you can connect at a lower sample rate is the AES/EBU connections, which can be set as in pairs to clock to external clock sources at various sample rates and bit depths.

Any other questions regarding this, please ask away.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Lefteris Neokosmidis on July 02, 2013, 09:55:53 AM
Hi Rob.
Is it possible for this to be done using DN9620? Maybe and a new AES50 interface for DN9650 would do the job!
Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on July 02, 2013, 11:48:12 AM
Hi Rob.
Is it possible for this to be done using DN9620? Maybe and a new AES50 interface for DN9650 would do the job!

No, the DN9620 has no sample rate converters in it, and will only pass on whatever AES50 feed you put into it. I also doubt if we will make an AES50 CM1 card simply to down-sample the AES50.
Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mac Kerr on July 02, 2013, 11:56:31 AM
Hi Rob.
Is it possible for this to be done

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Title: Re: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Lefteris Neokosmidis on July 02, 2013, 11:58:08 AM
Thanks a lot :)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: jason misterka on July 02, 2013, 10:28:51 PM
Shoot. I have done it with the AES3 ports to run FX processors and had assumed it was there on the AES50 ports as well.

So if I have a Pro 2 with a DL251 and the festival wants to connect a x32 for recording, what is the proper way to do this digitally ?

Analog split is not a good option this time.

I have a KT DN9650 with Dante but need to split more than 32 channels and would need to get them back to inputs on the x32 anyway as they create a live broadcast mix not just a recording.


Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Rob Hughes on July 04, 2013, 06:26:00 AM
Shoot. I have done it with the AES3 ports to run FX processors and had assumed it was there on the AES50 ports as well.

So if I have a Pro 2 with a DL251 and the festival wants to connect a x32 for recording, what is the proper way to do this digitally ?

Analog split is not a good option this time.

I have a KT DN9650 with Dante but need to split more than 32 channels and would need to get them back to inputs on the x32 anyway as they create a live broadcast mix not just a recording.


Jason

There is no way to communicate via AES50 between the Midas Pro 2 and the X32, period. Only the AES3 connections have sample rate converters.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Adam Cooke on July 10, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
Ok, thanks. Yeah, I see how that would work, but kind of seems like a work around rather than an efficient way to do it.
I mean it's just a bit clunky. Then, to change scenes, one would need to find and select your showfile, load it, then scroll to scene and select it. If you just wanted to change to the next scene (as most users will need to) it only takes a couple of button presses and no searching.
For the extra hassle, I imagine most engineers wouldn't bother un-loading the showfile. It's silly, but it's tiny niggles like that that stand out and makes something appear well designed or not even when the rest of the desk is amazing. Maybe it's the idea of attention to detail.


Maybe there could just be a preference setting to require confirmation of a scene change, so it takes two button pushes to go to the next scene? That would be a tiny bit slower changing scenes, but would make it virtually impossible to majorly screw up a show by accidentally recalling one at the wrong time. That certainly would be a good way to have it set for visiting band engineers that aren't very familiar with the console, and aren't likely to recall multiple scenes during their set anyway.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: jason misterka on July 10, 2013, 05:56:03 PM

Maybe there could just be a preference setting to require confirmation of a scene change, so it takes two button pushes to go to the next scene? That would be a tiny bit slower changing scenes, but would make it virtually impossible to majorly screw up a show by accidentally recalling one at the wrong time. That certainly would be a good way to have it set for visiting band engineers that aren't very familiar with the console, and aren't likely to recall multiple scenes during their set anyway.

Yes please.  Its like a show self-destruct button sitting there otherwise.

J
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Lucas on July 10, 2013, 06:14:43 PM
Maybe the recall button is in an easier place to bump on the Midas Pro series, but I've never accidentally hit the recall button in the middle of a show on the board I use.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: jason misterka on July 10, 2013, 09:17:20 PM
I have.  Twice. Bad times.

On the PRO2 there are actually three pretty glowing largish buttons right near the tap button and the fader flip button that are an accident waiting to happen.  And all I need is a menu option that brings up an "are you sure?" Dialog, exactly like they already have with scene 001.

Jason
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on July 11, 2013, 11:29:02 AM
I have.  Twice. Bad times.

On the PRO2 there are actually three pretty glowing largish buttons right near the tap button and the fader flip button that are an accident waiting to happen.  And all I need is a menu option that brings up an "are you sure?" Dialog, exactly like they already have with scene 001.

Jason

Yes I was quite surprised to see no "recall confirm" option in the settings. Very highly recommended.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Midas Techsupport on July 12, 2013, 04:46:53 AM
Yes I was quite surprised to see no "recall confirm" option in the settings. Very highly recommended.
We have taken these comments on board and will come up with a solution to this problem with a future software release. Its a great suggestion we have heard a few times now. However it is actually a feature that is not very common amongst digital consoles and our friends in the theatre world, who run shows with hundreds of cues, are highly against it. So we are working on a solution that will suite all Users.
In the meantime we would like to suggest to close the show during operation. This will disable the automation buttons. You can then after the show quickly load it again and store a new scene. This should be a solution to all people that do not use different scenes per song. Everyone who uses scenes within shows should be fine as you never have an empty scene amongst your active scenes.
Hope this helps a little and thank you for your feedback.

Gert Sanner Tech Support Manager UK
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mark McFarlane on July 13, 2013, 06:52:32 AM
...However it is actually a feature that is not very common amongst digital consoles and our friends in the theatre world, who run shows with hundreds of cues, are highly against it. So we are working on a solution that will suite all Users.

I can't imagine why anyone should object to an OPTION to require a scene change confirmation.  Those who don't want to confirm can set the option to no (and this could be the default behavior, same as your current behavior).  Those who want the added safety of approving scene recalls can set it to yes. Seems pretty simple to me. 

01V96's have had this for over a decade.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 13, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
We have taken these comments on board and will come up with a solution to this problem with a future software release. Its a great suggestion we have heard a few times now. However it is actually a feature that is not very common amongst digital consoles and our friends in the theatre world, who run shows with hundreds of cues, are highly against it. So we are working on a solution that will suite all Users.
In the meantime we would like to suggest to close the show during operation. This will disable the automation buttons. You can then after the show quickly load it again and store a new scene. This should be a solution to all people that do not use different scenes per song. Everyone who uses scenes within shows should be fine as you never have an empty scene amongst your active scenes.
Hope this helps a little and thank you for your feedback.

Gert Sanner Tech Support Manager UK

Hi Gert, good to see you back on the forums.

The "recall confirmation" should be a user-selectable option.  Yamaha (cough, cough) has this on the LS/9 and M7 as well as their more upscale models.  The 01v96 REQUIRES a confirmation, IIRC, unless one programs a UDK to make the changes (I don't use scene automation on the 01v during a show so I may be wrong).

At any rate, allowing the user to decide if they want/need direct recall or prefer a confirmation (I can see this on house of worship or public facility installs) would be a good thing, and surely within the capabilities of the Midas team.

Have fun, good luck.

Tim Mc
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mark McFarlane on July 13, 2013, 01:41:49 PM
..The 01v96 REQUIRES a confirmation, IIRC, unless one programs a UDK to make the changes (I don't use scene automation on the 01v during a show so I may be wrong)...

Tim, FYI, My 01v96 has an option to turn on or off scene confirmations.   Perhaps you looked at some older firmware.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 13, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Tim, FYI, My 01v96 has an option to turn on or off scene confirmations.   Perhaps you looked at some older firmware.

Entirely possible, Mark.  My 01v96 goes out on recurring corpy gigs, so I'm recalling EQ and i/o configurations.  I guess I never needed a reason to turn off the confirmation.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: ra byn taylor on July 13, 2013, 10:38:15 PM
We have taken these comments on board and will come up with a solution to this problem with a future software release. Its a great suggestion we have heard a few times now. However it is actually a feature that is not very common amongst digital consoles and our friends in the theatre world, who run shows with hundreds of cues, are highly against it. So we are working on a solution that will suite all Users.

Gert Sanner Tech Support Manager UK

This isn't rocket science Midas.

The X32 itself has a confirm scene change / save option that you can enable/disable in setup. SEE ATTACHMENT.

No one is going to hate the option to turn it on or leave it off a function. Instead you'll divide your user base if you leave the Pro Series without the confirmation option (note this thread) & the users who have been burned already. Modern Yamaha consoles have the option to enable / disable the confirm scene / save option. Considering that there are more Yamaha digital consoles in use than any other digital console, I'll argue that this functionality is more common than not.

Musical theater is a tiny percentage of the pro audio market. I know because I've been doing musical theater sound for 20+ years. The day the audio market caters to us, I'll throw a party but in the meantime, a modern digital console should include the ability to enable / disable scene & save confirmations. 

Best regards,

ra byn (robin)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Lucas on July 14, 2013, 12:21:34 PM
The Roland V-mixers have the option as well. In fact it can be user specific. For instance I have the confirmation off because I like to be able to just hit "next" and then "recall" without any pop ups. All the other users have the pop up.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Midas Techsupport on July 15, 2013, 07:44:09 AM
This isn't rocket science Midas.

The X32 itself has a confirm scene change / save option that you can enable/disable in setup. SEE ATTACHMENT.

No one is going to hate the option to turn it on or leave it off a function. Instead you'll divide your user base if you leave the Pro Series without the confirmation option (note this thread) & the users who have been burned already. Modern Yamaha consoles have the option to enable / disable the confirm scene / save option. Considering that there are more Yamaha digital consoles in use than any other digital console, I'll argue that this functionality is more common than not.

Musical theater is a tiny percentage of the pro audio market. I know because I've been doing musical theater sound for 20+ years. The day the audio market caters to us, I'll throw a party but in the meantime, a modern digital console should include the ability to enable / disable scene & save confirmations. 

Best regards,

ra byn (robin)


Okay guys,

Let me clear this up, as it seems to be getting a little out of hand.

This isn't a question of us objecting, simply a matter of priorities. If we could add the feature easily and quickly tomorrow, we would! however, I had a lengthy discussion with our software guys, and the simple fact is that due to the way the code is structured, to implement a scene recall confirmation is a huge change to the code, which would take away massive resources from other development areas. This is not ideal, but it is something we will have to deal with.
So, as a result of that, we decided that we will include the option to disable automation (as per Gerts post) for those who want to be able to stop themselves from accidentally recalling a scene during a show, but don't want to unload a show. This won't be available in the next software release, but it will be implemented fairly soon after hopefully.
I'm sorry we can't just implement everybody's requests instantly over-night, or keep everyone happy all of the time, but we do take all the ideas and requests on-board and then see what can and cannot be down, and balance it with the resources we have to make the consoles as user friendly and functional as possible.

Regards

Rob Hughes
Technical Support Manager
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on July 15, 2013, 12:21:32 PM
Had a Delay FX unit crash/fail to load yesterday on the Pro2c, and it threw me off quite a bit. Signal was feeding into the aux, FX was patched correctly in/out. but was getting no signal into/out of the fx unit. Re-patched the ins and outs but still got nothing.

I had to clear the fx rack space and re-establish the delay unit, and it worked fine. First time something like that  happening and I thought it weird that if the unit had indeed failed, there was no notification of any sort. Anyone else experience this before? (note this was on g2.0 firmware, we finally updated to 2.1 after the show)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on July 15, 2013, 11:27:33 PM

Okay guys,

Let me clear this up, as it seems to be getting a little out of hand.

This isn't a question of us objecting, simply a matter of priorities. If we could add the feature easily and quickly tomorrow, we would! however, I had a lengthy discussion with our software guys, and the simple fact is that due to the way the code is structured, to implement a scene recall confirmation is a huge change to the code, which would take away massive resources from other development areas. This is not ideal, but it is something we will have to deal with.
So, as a result of that, we decided that we will include the option to disable automation (as per Gerts post) for those who want to be able to stop themselves from accidentally recalling a scene during a show, but don't want to unload a show. This won't be available in the next software release, but it will be implemented fairly soon after hopefully.
I'm sorry we can't just implement everybody's requests instantly over-night, or keep everyone happy all of the time, but we do take all the ideas and requests on-board and then see what can and cannot be down, and balance it with the resources we have to make the consoles as user friendly and functional as possible.

Regards

Rob Hughes
Technical Support Manager

Rob, Thank you for answering this question.  Some one from Midas finally giving us a straight answer. 

In the past every time I suggest or ask why something is not currently in the desk.  I get the old "the software can't do that" answer. 

My answer to that is fix the software because it sucks.  It can't do simple functions that desks multiple levels below it can do.  Even desks made by the same mother ship.  Face it Midas the Behringer X32 software is far more capable than the Pro series software is currently.  And thats just sad.  :(
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 15, 2013, 11:44:49 PM
Rob, Thank you for answering this question.  Some one from Midas finally giving us a straight answer. 

In the past every time I suggest or ask why something is not currently in the desk.  I get the old "the software can't do that" answer. 

My answer to that is fix the software because it sucks.  It can't do simple functions that desks multiple levels below it can do.  Even desks made by the same mother ship.  Face it Midas the Behringer X32 software is far more capable than the Pro series software is currently.  And thats just sad.  :(

You can almost feel the love in the room....
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Michael J Williams on July 17, 2013, 10:10:47 AM
Quick Question.
Can you link 2 Pro2 for extra fader control?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Scott B Nelson on July 17, 2013, 10:26:32 AM
Quick Question.
Can you link 2 Pro2 for extra fader control?

As I understand it (I've read everything I can about it  ;D) you can; but you are limited by the number of connections you have.  Each SuperMac AES50 port can handle 48 channels, bi-directional, and often you reserve an extra as a hot backup.  You can connect them to external equipment or to consoles.  But when you run out, ... :( ...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Midas Techsupport on July 17, 2013, 11:39:39 AM
Quick Question.
Can you link 2 Pro2 for extra fader control?

Simple answer is no. The easiest way for extra fader control is by using the Mixtender app, and connect an iPad for every 8 extra faders required. If you have enough iPads, then you could have a fader available for every input on the console if you really want!
Once you get used to the way the POP groups and VCA navigation works as well as the 'EXTEND' button, you will hopefully see that extra faders aren't generally needed.

Regards

Rob Hughes
Title: Posting Rules
Post by: Mac Kerr on July 17, 2013, 12:48:48 PM
Simple answer is no. The easiest way for extra fader control is by using the Mixtender app, and connect an iPad for every 8 extra faders required. If you have enough iPads, then you could have a fader available for every input on the console if you really want!
Once you get used to the way the POP groups and VCA navigation works as well as the 'EXTEND' button, you will hopefully see that extra faders aren't generally needed.

The Midas Techsupport team was given a bye on the real name policy (and other manufactures will be allowed the same privilege) so that multiple users could reply. That exemption was based on the actual person replying having their real name in a signature line at the bottom of the message. Any further posts without the real name of the person posting will be deleted.

Mac
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Midas Techsupport on July 17, 2013, 01:28:57 PM
The Midas Techsupport team was given a bye on the real name policy (and other manufactures will be allowed the same privilege) so that multiple users could reply. That exemption was based on the actual person replying having their real name in a signature line at the bottom of the message. Any further posts without the real name of the person posting will be deleted.

Mac

Sorted. Sorry Mac, after posting with an automatic signature, I totally forgot. Apologies, and hopefully I won't forget in future!  :-[

Errrr. sorry, again..... Rob Hughes
Title: Re: Posting Rules
Post by: Tim McCulloch on July 17, 2013, 01:33:26 PM
Sorted. Sorry Mac, after posting with an automatic signature, I totally forgot. Apologies, and hopefully I won't forget in future!  :-[

Uh... Gert or whoever... you just did it, again.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Lefteris Neokosmidis on July 23, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
Hello Rob. Two more questions.
1) Is it possible to link two input channels through the show editor?
2) Is there any chance to have a choise of 8 effect slots with no GEQ at all, in a future firmware update? Too many astonishing phsycoacoustics proccessors!!!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Midas Techsupport on July 23, 2013, 06:03:55 PM
Hello Rob. Two more questions.
1) Is it possible to link two input channels through the show editor?
2) Is there any chance to have a choise of 8 effect slots with no GEQ at all, in a future firmware update? Too many astonishing phsycoacoustics proccessors!!!

Hi Lefteris,

1. Unfortunately not. I am unsure whether this can be done in the future either, but I will try and find out.
2. Not at present, but this is high on our list of future feature requests, and has been asked for on many occasions. I will let you know a definitive answer as soon as I can find out if this is possible at some point in the future.

Regards

Rob Hughes
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Smit on July 24, 2013, 09:14:14 AM
I was doing a gig recently and was bitten by that the VCA mute did not mute the sends.

As somebody else already asked:

     1) VCA Mutes as many others have stated it would be nice to be able to select a mode that would mute the physical channels not just the main output of them.

Would it be possible to have a configuration option for that?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Midas Techsupport on July 24, 2013, 09:55:07 AM
I was doing a gig recently and was bitten by that the VCA mute did not mute the sends.

As somebody else already asked:

Would it be possible to have a configuration option for that?

Hi Peter,

No, this is not going to become an option, as it simply is not how a VCA works. This is what we have mute groups for.

Regards

Rob Hughes
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on August 05, 2013, 02:46:39 AM
So it's been a few month's since I have been on a Pro series desk.  I rented a Pro2 sunday.  I wanted to do a shoot out between it and my SC48.  Setup was Ramtech split snake sending to both desk's at FOH and had my guy switch my LR+sub when ever I wanted to change desks.

First impressions: Pros:    The Pro series has a lot more low end, the Channel EQ is more sensitive, and the channel comps are really nice compared to the Avid.

Cons:  During soundcheck I found that Select does not follow Solo when your in a VCA spill but it does in regular mode or a Pop spill.   The other thing that really bothered me was that when recalling a whole channel preset it doesn't save the name or the channel color in the preset information.  I must also add that the solo and mute button's are completely worthless in the day light. I have included a few pic's to show this.   Maybe there is a fix for some of these things.  If you have the answer let me know.

You can clearly see the muted channels on the SC48 but not on the Pro2.  If you look at the screen on the Pro2 you can see the muted and or solo channels.  I guess that's the only way of knowing.

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on August 05, 2013, 02:51:04 AM
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Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Midas Techsupport on August 05, 2013, 05:33:06 AM
So it's been a few month's since I have been on a Pro series desk.  I rented a Pro2 sunday.  I wanted to do a shoot out between it and my SC48.  Setup was Ramtech split snake sending to both desk's at FOH and had my guy switch my LR+sub when ever I wanted to change desks.

First impressions: Pros:    The Pro series has a lot more low end, the Channel EQ is more sensitive, and the channel comps are really nice compared to the Avid.

Cons:  During soundcheck I found that Select does not follow Solo when your in a VCA spill but it does in regular mode or a Pop spill.   The other thing that really bothered me was that when recalling a whole channel preset it doesn't save the name or the channel color in the preset information.  I must also add that the solo and mute button's are completely worthless in the day light. I have included a few pic's to show this.   Maybe there is a fix for some of these things.  If you have the answer let me know.

You can clearly see the muted channels on the SC48 but not on the Pro2.  If you look at the screen on the Pro2 you can see the muted and or solo channels.  I guess that's the only way of knowing.

Hi Brian,

The select follows solo does work in both VCA and POP group mode, but I am investigating a strange bug where with some channel groupings it gets stuck on the first press of the solo button.
As for the whole channel preset, it is deliberate decision never to copy the channel name or colour, as the preset library and copy paste functions are linked in certain ways, and it was decided that it should simply remain as the channel parameters with names/colours.


Best Regards

Rob Hughes
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on August 05, 2013, 03:35:05 PM
I must also add that the solo and mute button's are completely worthless in the day light.You can clearly see the muted channels on the SC48 but not on the Pro2. 

You didn't mention it in you post, so cautiously I'll say it here. There is an adjustment for the brightness on nearly all buttons on the surface.  It's in a sub-menu under preferences.  IMHO the buttons can get quite bright. I have mine turned way down.

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on August 05, 2013, 06:30:50 PM
You didn't mention it in you post, so cautiously I'll say it here. There is an adjustment for the brightness on nearly all buttons on the surface.  It's in a sub-menu under preferences.  IMHO the buttons can get quite bright. I have mine turned way down.

Rob thank you for your information.  Of course these features will not deter me from purchasing the desk.  I would hope that maybe in a future update that these functions could have options.  It doesn't make any sense to not save the channel name at least in the whole channel preset data.  If your making a kick drum channel preset then what else would you name it???  It just seems like an extra step to go to the naming sheet and enter the name. 
Thank you again for your quick response.

 

Thanks for the reply Duane.  I will check that out.

 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on August 06, 2013, 07:26:55 AM
Rob thank you for your information.  Of course these features will not deter me from purchasing the desk.  I would hope that maybe in a future update that these functions could have options.  It doesn't make any sense to not save the channel name at least in the whole channel preset data.  If your making a kick drum channel preset then what else would you name it???  It just seems like an extra step to go to the naming sheet and enter the name. 
Thank you again for your quick response.

 Thanks for the reply Duane.  I will check that out.

I think this is one of those situations where you have so much flexibility, that it seems convoluted and difficult.  I understand that you would like a "one button does all" scenario, but I personally like the flexibility provided with the Midas software set up.  With the presets setup the way they are, you have the ability to mix and match.  For instance, I have two basic systems...a small system with QSC K10s and KSubs and a larger system with RCF boxes and Danley TH115s.  Obviously these are used in different situations, different processing.  With the way the Pro Series is set up with individual presets, I can recall channel names, different VCA groups, different Effects and Processor presets and mix and match as needed or wanted.  So between saving a scene with everything "pre-setup" to recalling individual EQs, Compression, Effects settings....I'm up and running with a basic set pretty quick.

Comparing the Avid system to the Pro Series, my one thing I would request from Midas (and has been mentioned many times by others) is the ability to insert a new channel in between existing channels or dragging and dropping to rearrange channel layout.   The POP groups do give you a good work around,  but sometimes you just want to see everything laid out conventionally.

As far as seeing the Mute and Solo buttons....I have done several outside events in the hot, bright South Carolina sun with no issues.  I find myself turning down the brightness of the console in general.  I will admit that the Solo "yellow" is a little more difficult to see than the Mute "red"....but I have no trouble seeing what is selected.  I would double check the settings for the buttons.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Brian Wynn on August 06, 2013, 09:39:43 PM
I think this is one of those situations where you have so much flexibility, that it seems convoluted and difficult.  I understand that you would like a "one button does all" scenario, but I personally like the flexibility provided with the Midas software set up.  With the presets setup the way they are, you have the ability to mix and match.  For instance, I have two basic systems...a small system with QSC K10s and KSubs and a larger system with RCF boxes and Danley TH115s.  Obviously these are used in different situations, different processing.  With the way the Pro Series is set up with individual presets, I can recall channel names, different VCA groups, different Effects and Processor presets and mix and match as needed or wanted.  So between saving a scene with everything "pre-setup" to recalling individual EQs, Compression, Effects settings....I'm up and running with a basic set pretty quick.

Comparing the Avid system to the Pro Series, my one thing I would request from Midas (and has been mentioned many times by others) is the ability to insert a new channel in between existing channels or dragging and dropping to rearrange channel layout.   The POP groups do give you a good work around,  but sometimes you just want to see everything laid out conventionally.

As far as seeing the Mute and Solo buttons....I have done several outside events in the hot, bright South Carolina sun with no issues.  I find myself turning down the brightness of the console in general.  I will admit that the Solo "yellow" is a little more difficult to see than the Mute "red"....but I have no trouble seeing what is selected.  I would double check the settings for the buttons.

Good luck.

I still think that saving the channel name should be included.  Isn't that point of creating a preset in the first place?  I'll check the brightness.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jason Lucas on August 06, 2013, 10:19:13 PM
I still think that saving the channel name should be included.  Isn't that point of creating a preset in the first place?  I'll check the brightness.

Can't speak for others, but that's not what I use presets for.

I do however like it when, if the board supports a "copy and paste" feature, that the channel name is copied. The board I use lets you copy nearly all parameters except the channel name.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Justin Myers on August 10, 2013, 03:51:11 AM
There we go.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img690/719/i9aa.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img689/4435/fvxa.jpg)

Just updated my Midas Pro 1. Even made in the USA.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Scott B Nelson on August 10, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img689/4435/fvxa.jpg)
Heh.  I guess you won't use the buttons at all -- you taped down both sides -- can't flip it up to press the button.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Justin Myers on August 10, 2013, 05:27:16 PM
Heh.  I guess you won't use the buttons at all -- you taped down both sides -- can't flip it up to press the button.

Hey, thats not a bad idea. I might modify.

Just trying to block the "Scene Button Seeking Technology" built into every guest engineer's iphone.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on September 03, 2013, 05:01:20 PM
I ran into an issue on the Pro2 this past weekend. Some band members are on aviom via the 9651 and direct outs, but due to additions in the band, I've bene building sub-mixes in the auxes. One for toms/OH, another for stereo keys/synth, another for program (audience mics, MC/video playback, ect). These are all pre-fade aux sends, but during soundcheck I was using Solo-in-place to EQ/tweak the kick drum.

The keyboardist stopped the band mid song because his mix was "cutting in and out". Didn't make much sense until I saw that SIP was actually hard-muting every other channel. I understand this is effectively what SIP does, but it doesn't behave this way on other boards. This was also muting the PRE-FADE sends to auxes for the subgroups, which was the bigger part of the problem. I was digging around in preference for a pre-fade pickoff point, but couldn't find anything even slightly related to that. The only options for pickoffs I saw in the channel strips were for direct-outs.

Anyone have a suggestion?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Midas Techsupport on September 03, 2013, 05:22:05 PM
l I saw that SIP was actually hard-muting every other channel.

Hello Josh, your observation is absolutely correct. It is exactly like pressing every single Mute Button on the console. This is also the reason for the little Rocket-launcher cover on the switch and the press delay on the GUI. There is no option to change that.
To be honest I do not know of any other SIP method on any console I have ever seen. What you want to do can be easily done by using the VCA Mutes. These would naturally keep any Pre Fade audio running.
Hope This helps.

Gert Sanner

Technical Support Manager.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mikael Holm on September 08, 2013, 12:14:06 AM
To be honest I do not know of any other SIP method on any console I have ever seen.

If master bus was used as SIP why not unroute all the other channels going to master bus leaving only the soloed channel(s) routed?

If this was not patented already and someone went to claim one i'll be more than happy to have a penny or dime for compensation.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Nitin Sidhu on September 08, 2013, 11:48:11 PM
EDIT : It has been brought down to a faulty CAT5e snake.
Unlike Avid, Midas Pro uses all 4pairs of the calbe.

_____________________--------------_____________


Hello!

1st time on a pro2 last week. Fly-by date. Rental house was not very familiar with the console either. So it was a tad learn as you seek experience for me. Fairly straightforward, but seemed some stuff was a lot more clunky to accomplish than what Im used to. Still, I do not know the board enough to comment further.

However, towards the end of the set, we suddenly started having a lot of pops and clicks off the out's, which I immediately recognised to be clocking errors, showing up randomly on the inputs. The board flashed no warning, sent a tech to check the stage boxes out, and they had the error light on. Found the diagnostic page, which show'd no red.

Figured it was the snake that went for a toss, but including redundancy? And while the DL251 shows an error, the surface does not report.

There was a S3L as a backup, and the rest of the evening went on on that without issue. Same snake.

Regards,
Sidhu
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kyle Van Sandt on September 11, 2013, 11:46:30 PM
We have just purchased 2 Pro2 consoles to replace our Heritage 1k and Crest Monitor X.  Just finished up all the wiring schematics and all that fun stuff for the transfer over.  I have one question though...

How many Cat 5 runs are required from console to the DL251.  We are buying 2 DL251's so we have the most options avalible.  Right now we want to run them as two seperate systems.

I'm seeing it as one AES50 run as a primary, 1 AES50 run as a backup, and what is the 3rd?  Does the console and DL251 have to be on the same "control" network?  My plan was to run both consoles control ports into a switch/AP for use with iPads etc.  Do the DL251's also have to be on the "control" network in order for the system to function? 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on September 12, 2013, 07:15:57 AM
Hey Kyle...

I believe I am correct in that you are limited to 24 sends and 24 returns per Cat5 with the DL251.  The third Cat5 is for redundancy.  So if you want all 48 inputs and 16 sends available at one console with redundancy, you would need to run 3 Cat5s.  What I don't know is if you only use 3 sends, can you increase your inputs to 37??? (we don't have a DL251 as of right now)

We have Pro1s and have been able to place one at Monitor world and one at FOH, with a copper snake put channels 1-24 at FOH and 25-48 at Monitor world, patch the two consoles to the respective inputs, and have all 48 channels available at both consoles over one Cat5.  My point, you may be able to set up one DL251 to one console, the second to another console, and run one Cat5 between them for full control....with one less Cat5.  Just a thought.

Since we don't have the DL251, I can't speak for control.  My guess...if running as two separate systems then no, they wouldn't have to be on the same network.  Obviously, if you want control of both DL251s from each console, then yes.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on September 13, 2013, 01:04:47 AM
We have just purchased 2 Pro2 consoles to replace our Heritage 1k and Crest Monitor X.  Just finished up all the wiring schematics and all that fun stuff for the transfer over.  I have one question though...

How many Cat 5 runs are required from console to the DL251.  We are buying 2 DL251's so we have the most options avalible.  Right now we want to run them as two seperate systems.

I'm seeing it as one AES50 run as a primary, 1 AES50 run as a backup, and what is the 3rd?  Does the console and DL251 have to be on the same "control" network?  My plan was to run both consoles control ports into a switch/AP for use with iPads etc.  Do the DL251's also have to be on the "control" network in order for the system to function?

2 runs of cat 5 + back up as David described.

My Pro2 came as a package with DL251/surface/roadcase/2x 100m cat 5.

I run the iPad like this -
http://vimeo.com/40327498
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on September 13, 2013, 01:47:35 PM
I'm seeing it as one AES50 run as a primary, 1 AES50 run as a backup, and what is the 3rd?  Does the console and DL251 have to be on the same "control" network?  My plan was to run both consoles control ports into a switch/AP for use with iPads etc.  Do the DL251's also have to be on the "control" network in order for the system to function?
AES50 carries 24 channels in both directions. So, CAT5-1 is for input 1-24 and output 1-16. CAT5-2 is for input 25-48, no outputs with this box. CAT5-3 is the N+1 redundant backup-line.

You should not connect the console and stageboxes via the controlport. These ports are for diagnostics or additional control if there is no console present. You can connect both consoles to the same wifi-AP, but make sure they have different ip-adresses. If you don't, you may end up with one iPad controlling both consoles in some sort of mirror-setup. If it works at all.... ???
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Liam Huggins on September 14, 2013, 02:08:57 PM
This was asked earlier, but received no reply :(

Is it possible to have the clock on the Home screen anywhere? I like to be able to keep the time without having to look at my watch/phone every time (Ha) I would like to do so :)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David R Gaume on September 14, 2013, 04:54:58 PM
Hello all, I am two dates into a tour with Midas Pro 2's at FOH and monitors. My list of questions and feature requests is growing rapidly. Some of these questions are about application and technique and would lend themselves better to open discussion in their own threads, rather than further convoluting or getting lost in this thread.. which seems to be the only online user knowledge base around. The manual doesn't get you much further than "this function does this."

My request is a forum devoted to Midas PRO series consoles. Like many engineers I meet I have chosen this console for its sound, despite its control surface and workflow. The more accessible information around, the more our community will flourish. Any help for how and where to host this forum is welcome.

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on September 14, 2013, 08:54:41 PM
Hello all, I am two dates into a tour with Midas Pro 2's at FOH and monitors. My list of questions and feature requests is growing rapidly. Some of these questions are about application and technique and would lend themselves better to open discussion in their own threads, rather than further convoluting or getting lost in this thread.. which seems to be the only online user knowledge base around. The manual doesn't get you much further than "this function does this."

My request is a forum devoted to Midas PRO series consoles. Like many engineers I meet I have chosen this console for its sound, despite its control surface and workflow. The more accessible information around, the more our community will flourish. Any help for how and where to host this forum is welcome.

There is something I really like about mixing on the Midas. I’m sure once you are familiar with it, you will love not just the sound but how quick and easy it is.

I think the work flow could seem a little slow when you are new to the board, but once you learn where everything is, it's very fast; it helped me to think of it as being a little like driving a digital version of the XL3 etc.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kyle Van Sandt on September 15, 2013, 12:03:07 AM
Hello all, I am two dates into a tour with Midas Pro 2's at FOH and monitors. My list of questions and feature requests is growing rapidly. Some of these questions are about application and technique and would lend themselves better to open discussion in their own threads, rather than further convoluting or getting lost in this thread.. which seems to be the only online user knowledge base around. The manual doesn't get you much further than "this function does this."

My request is a forum devoted to Midas PRO series consoles. Like many engineers I meet I have chosen this console for its sound, despite its control surface and workflow. The more accessible information around, the more our community will flourish. Any help for how and where to host this forum is welcome.

I would love to hear all of these... lets have at it. 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David R Gaume on September 18, 2013, 09:04:45 PM
I would love to hear all of these... lets have at it.

Thanks Kyle, I'll dive in. But I want to stress that the main point of my last post and #1 request is a proper forum for Midas PRO users, rather than adding to the muck.
Here's what I have after four shows on this desk at FOH.


feature request:
Ability to organize saved files by date, clicking on the "date" column has no function.
Ability to see what time a scene was last modified.
Attack times greater than 20 ms on compressors.
Not exactly a feature request but a recommendation: compressor not set to such extreme settings by default... As default, attack/release are set to their fastest values, ratio is infinity:1.  Throw-and-go's and festivals do happen. I've heard an engineer say that Soundcraft Vi consoles are "squashed" sounding, which is untrue IMO, but if you use their compressors at default attack time (fastest) you indeed get squash.
Patch grid. Haven't heard an argument for little pictures of xlr's on opposite pages being better than the digital norm in any way.

Show channel names on mouseover in scope pages, as the do in the patch.

Assignable controls: ability to affect parameters for "selected channel", not just specific ones. I think many users would like to build an EQ strip with dedicated knobs in this way.

Ability to use assignable buttons as shortcuts directly to frequently used screens i.e. recall scope or specific effects units. 

Assignable controls: when knobs assigned to reverb decay, the values displayed are only Min thru Max, actual RT60 value would be more intuitive.



functionality/workflow:
Why, when you have a POP or VCA selected (which is always), the "Output" button gives you all blank strips? I understand that outputs can be members of POPs and VCAs, I'm guessing this is the reasoning. How about a "group override" option just bring up your outputs when you hit output, rather than the extra steps of getting out of and back into your current group.

A discussion of practical use of store scope. The manual mentions it only in a quick paragraph, and only tells us that it should be used with great caution.

A discussion of recall scoping, how to adjust and re-save song scenes with different scopes in a real world show situation. where you have no time between songs to be clicking back and forth to different screens to set up a scope. This can perhaps be dealt with in Show Editor, presets, and/or hardware safes as a colleague pointed out to me, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around it.


tip:
Don't use mute group one for its most common "Mute ALL" use. The buttons Mute 1 and 4 are located too close to POP group 6. At least for my chunky fingers. Discovered this in front of lots of people  :-[



offline editor:
Runs the CPU excessively. I've noticed this on the different computers I've used it on, including my 2.9ghz i7 Macbook Pro. But, only some of the time.

frequent bug:  "failed to request initiate store scene. no socket connection to the server", and all scenes disappear.

Offline editor updated to 2.1.02 software. I have been bugging the folks at Midas about this, it seems they have more work to do and no ETA. The main problem is if you're using the excellent new Gen-2 FX, you lose your settings offline. 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David R Gaume on September 19, 2013, 04:45:40 PM
Does the Pro 2 have a fader calibration utility?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on September 21, 2013, 08:46:33 PM
Thanks Kyle, I'll dive in. But I want to stress that the main point of my last post and #1 request is a proper forum for Midas PRO users, rather than adding to the muck.
Here's what I have after four shows on this desk at FOH.


feature request:
Ability to organize saved files by date, clicking on the "date" column has no function.
Ability to see what time a scene was last modified.
Attack times greater than 20 ms on compressors.
Not exactly a feature request but a recommendation: compressor not set to such extreme settings by default... As default, attack/release are set to their fastest values, ratio is infinity:1.  Throw-and-go's and festivals do happen. I've heard an engineer say that Soundcraft Vi consoles are "squashed" sounding, which is untrue IMO, but if you use their compressors at default attack time (fastest) you indeed get squash.
Patch grid. Haven't heard an argument for little pictures of xlr's on opposite pages being better than the digital norm in any way.

Show channel names on mouseover in scope pages, as the do in the patch.

Assignable controls: ability to affect parameters for "selected channel", not just specific ones. I think many users would like to build an EQ strip with dedicated knobs in this way.

Ability to use assignable buttons as shortcuts directly to frequently used screens i.e. recall scope or specific effects units. 

Assignable controls: when knobs assigned to reverb decay, the values displayed are only Min thru Max, actual RT60 value would be more intuitive.



functionality/workflow:
Why, when you have a POP or VCA selected (which is always), the "Output" button gives you all blank strips? I understand that outputs can be members of POPs and VCAs, I'm guessing this is the reasoning. How about a "group override" option just bring up your outputs when you hit output, rather than the extra steps of getting out of and back into your current group.

A discussion of practical use of store scope. The manual mentions it only in a quick paragraph, and only tells us that it should be used with great caution.

A discussion of recall scoping, how to adjust and re-save song scenes with different scopes in a real world show situation. where you have no time between songs to be clicking back and forth to different screens to set up a scope. This can perhaps be dealt with in Show Editor, presets, and/or hardware safes as a colleague pointed out to me, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around it.


tip:
Don't use mute group one for its most common "Mute ALL" use. The buttons Mute 1 and 4 are located too close to POP group 6. At least for my chunky fingers. Discovered this in front of lots of people  :-[



offline editor:
Runs the CPU excessively. I've noticed this on the different computers I've used it on, including my 2.9ghz i7 Macbook Pro. But, only some of the time.

frequent bug:  "failed to request initiate store scene. no socket connection to the server", and all scenes disappear.

Offline editor updated to 2.1.02 software. I have been bugging the folks at Midas about this, it seems they have more work to do and no ETA. The main problem is if you're using the excellent new Gen-2 FX, you lose your settings offline.
Hi David,

I think 20ms attack time adjustment is fine for most compressor applications; it’s only when you want to mess with the waveform envelope that you need more… a longer attack time may be handy.  What’s your favourite analogue compressor? Perhaps you could insert one.

With respect to accessing the outputs quickly … it’s easy, you can leave it displaying the population channels, just press the output button as shown below.  In this case its - Area B population group and Aux-es 9 to 16.

It will of course not work on the fader banks which are displaying the population channels, only the 8 faders directly below the pop buttons.

If you deselect the population group, 24 outputs can be displayed on the faders.

The other alternative to view an output is to press the select button on one of the 24 aux & matrix channels. The output level will be on the far right fader. If there is an EQ inserted it can be displayed on the right hand bank of 8 faders and if its an EFX it will display on the screen.
 
FWIW I have not had problem with the mute group buttons. I like the big industrial size buttons for pop group selection, I think it minimises errors.... I bet you don't miss again  :)


Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on September 26, 2013, 10:43:58 PM
I'm using a Pro2 with Gen II software.
On all the compressors there is a "mor" button. What does the "mor" button do?

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on September 26, 2013, 11:03:34 PM
I'm trying to send a midi command to the Pro2 and advance the "scene cue list".

I've ensured there is actually midi signal flowing through the cable by temporarily connecting another midi monitoring hardware box that reads and displays the midi channel, command, type, etc.

By using the "Add Midi Event" button I've created a midi event that is part of a preexisting cue. All of my ducks seem to be in a row in the "Edit Event" window and the "Automation Page". Still, nothing.

Does midi need to be enabled somewhere else? Any hints tips or tricks you could give me?

Midi does flow fine the other way (from the console to the computer). I can progress through Qlab's cue list from the Pro2's "next" button, but that's not my goal.

Thank you,
Duane
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on September 26, 2013, 11:44:10 PM
I'm using a Pro2 with Gen II software.
On all the compressors there is a "mor" button. What does the "mor" button do?

The mor(e) button makes the nature of the compressor more pronounced, for example the vintage compressor become more "Vintage" when the button is pressed.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on September 29, 2013, 02:30:01 PM
offline editor:
Runs the CPU excessively. I've noticed this on the different computers I've used it on, including my 2.9ghz i7 Macbook Pro. But, only some of the time.
Values of knobs on screen are updated many times per second. On the desks this done with hardware acceleration, with the offline editor you run a ported linux app in OSX without hardware acceleration. Thats why the CPU is having a meltdown.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Chris Gee on September 30, 2013, 12:03:41 PM
Hi. Sorry if this has been posted before, but I am having trouble with the Pro 2 Editor. Whenever I try to start a new showfile in the automation screen I get a 'no socket connection' error message. I could alter an old show file but I would really like to start afresh... I have used this editor on this laptop before with no troubles, Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Liam Huggins on October 02, 2013, 07:45:11 AM
There is a new software version available for PRO1, 2, 3, 3B, 6, 6B, 9 and 9B. Its version G2.2

Technical Bulletin:

New Features:
 Support for DN9680 on Pro 1 and Pro 2 (N.B. DN9680 currently at restricted beta only)
 Alternative sync source – define secondary sync source for console
 Activate all six surface AES50 port on Pro 1
 Added preliminary support for DL15x (full support in future release)
 Full Gen II support for Pro B series
 Implementation of effects pack II for Pro 3, 6, 9 and XL8
 Implementation of extra dynamics features implemented for Pro 3, 6, 9 and XL8

Addressed Issues:

 Fixed Recall scope issue where Aux send 1, 2 & 3 contributions to matrices also affected
master channels
 Fixed occasional sluggish response of GUI fader display on side of Pro Series surface
relating to inactive MC
 Fixed issue where splash screen would display when under certain circumstances of hot
un-plugging a DL25x redundancy port and reconfiguring certain ports.
 Improvements to MIDI stability
 Improved animation for GUI representation of rotaries on simultaneous use of both
screen for Pro 369
 Mic gains recalled correctly after swapping between normal and tape return modes
 Broadened the scope of features in Paste To All Sections

Known Issues:

 Overview screen for output channels has superfluous tabs visible
 When Updating IO boxes programmed with PRO1 or PRO2 software via a Pro 369 or
XL8 the boxes must be updated by linking via the Ethernet control port.
 When Updating I/O boxes programmed with Pro 369 or XL8 software via a PRO1 or
PRO2 the boxes must be updated by linking via the Ethernet control port.
 If you connect a single wireless router, to use with an iPad, connected to two control
surfaces (set to different IP addresses) the consoles will crash
 Importing a show file into a PRO1/2 generated on a PRO3/6/9 leaves the MCA's and
VCA's of 9/10 set to their last levels in the original show file. This cannot be undone on
the PRO1/2 without loading the show into the PRO Series OLE and un-assigning those
channels from the VCA's.
 Empty GEQ slots will display partial labels/tabs
Update Procedure
This upgrade may be performed using the system updater as usual. The software may be
found in the following locations on the FTP server: http://mkt.ftpstream.com¨

Pro 1 software: /PRO-Series/PRO1
Pro 2 software: /PRO-Series/PRO2-PRO2C
Pro3, Pro6, Pro9: /PRO-Series/
Pro3B, Pro6B, Pro9B: /Pro B
XL8 software: /XL8
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kyle Van Sandt on October 05, 2013, 01:01:12 AM
Just spent the last 3 days getting both of our new Pro2's going.  Just ran the update on them today.  FOH console is one show down and it went well. 

Few questions/possible feature requests...

-Any way to have fader flip work when you select a mix fader instead of a selecting it in the output area? 
-Any way to have fader flip to work "backwards" like it does on the X32? (when you select a channel, your mix faders are "flipped") 

Those are my first two... I'm sure there will be more after we do a few more shows and get the monitor rig out. 

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on October 07, 2013, 07:24:46 AM
Curious question....Midas says as one of the features for the Pro 1, "100 inputs x 102 outputs (max. capacity), point-to-point routing anywhere within the network".  Can someone explain to me how this is accomplished or what they are referring to?

Thanks for your time.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on October 07, 2013, 09:11:40 AM
I found out the hard way this weekend that the mute groups aren't saved within scenes. Really not happy with the way they (mute groups and muting in general) are handled, as well as pre-fade auxes being affected by channel mutes
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on October 08, 2013, 06:57:54 PM
For some reason my Pro2 will not let me send aux-returns to auxiliary mixes 1-16. They're not even grayed out, they just don't exist. How do I get them back?
It happens on both the offline editor and my console.
Thanks.
(http://www.tinyninjaracer.com/duanes_image_hosting/no_auxes.png)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David R Gaume on October 08, 2013, 08:08:59 PM
I found out the hard way this weekend that the mute groups aren't saved within scenes.

I didn't understand this comment at first, as it does save the content of the mute groups. I realized today that the state of the mute groups are not saved within scenes. And I can't imagine why anyone would want that behavior, seems like it potentially sets you up for a LOUD mistake.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kyle Van Sandt on October 08, 2013, 09:06:56 PM
So, here is one for you all.  Bought two Pro2 consoles.  One install, one tour package.  The manual states that the tour package comes with 3 cat 5e snakes on reels.  When I received the consoles it came with only 2 cat 5e snakes.  When I questioned my dealer about it he came back with word from Midas that this was a "typo" in the manual.  Anyone else have this issue?  I did not expect anything besides power cables with the install package, but kind of expected the touring model to be turnkey... Kind of blows my mind that they expect a redundant line but won't sell the console with it. 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 08, 2013, 11:13:04 PM
So, here is one for you all.  Bought two Pro2 consoles.  One install, one tour package.  The manual states that the tour package comes with 3 cat 5e snakes on reels.  When I received the consoles it came with only 2 cat 5e snakes.  When I questioned my dealer about it he came back with word from Midas that this was a "typo" in the manual.  Anyone else have this issue?  I did not expect anything besides power cables with the install package, but kind of expected the touring model to be turnkey... Kind of blows my mind that they expect a redundant line but won't sell the console with it.

Nope - sorry. When I bought mine it was clear to me what it came with. The dealer specified exactly what I was getting – desk with road case, DL251 (no road case) & 2 x 100m cat 5e cables.

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/414605.html
http://www.thomann.de/gb/midas_pro2_c_compact_serie_touring.htm
http://soniccircus.com/midas-pro2-tp

The manual also says on page 7
 
"Touring package
In the touring package, the PRO2 is flight-cased. Also included are three 10 m cables
bundled together and supplied on a reel as a ‘snake’ (single copper)."


I would happily take 2 x 100m of Cat5 over 3 x 10m  :)

© 2011 MUSIC Group IP Ltd. Technical specifications and appearances are subject to change without notice and accuracy is not guaranteed. MIDAS and KLARK TEKNIK are part of the MUSIC Group (music-group.com).
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on October 09, 2013, 04:56:27 AM
Curious question....Midas says as one of the features for the Pro 1, "100 inputs x 102 outputs (max. capacity), point-to-point routing anywhere within the network".  Can someone explain to me how this is accomplished or what they are referring to?

Thanks for your time.
The desk has 48 channelstrips and 27 outputbusses. But you can connect stageboxes with a total of 100 xlr's. You just can't use them at the same time, but you can route any input-xlr to any output-xlr without passing the mixer. If I have my speaker processor onstage, but my four delayspeakers are somewhere around FOH I use the Cat5-snake as tie-lines. Connect the output of the speaker processor to an I/O box on stage and connect the delayspeaker to an I/O box at FOH. Then connect those digitally via the patchmenu of the mixer.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on October 09, 2013, 11:09:10 AM
Thanks Jelmer for the info.  I was thinking it was probably something along those lines but wasn't able to find any info to confirm.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on October 09, 2013, 10:17:50 PM
Just installed the new Mixtender. Whoa... it's nice. Still not as feature packed as the X32 remote but much better than the last version. Keep it up Midas :)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on October 10, 2013, 09:23:07 AM
I didn't understand this comment at first, as it does save the content of the mute groups. I realized today that the state of the mute groups are not saved within scenes. And I can't imagine why anyone would want that behavior, seems like it potentially sets you up for a LOUD mistake.

Well, the way we have it set up, we're using a mute group for our 4 vocals on stage. We have them across 2 VCAs, and also a post-fade aux. But as many people have complained, muting a VCA does not mute the channel, and does not mute a post-fade send, so we still have backstage monitors with live mics even though they are "muted" in the house.

I know a Midas rep has said (in this thread I believe) that the mutes are working "as intended", but I'm just hoping that someday there will be some options for different pre & post aux send pickoffs
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Scott B Nelson on October 10, 2013, 09:30:40 AM
But as many people have complained, muting a VCA does not mute the channel, and does not mute a post-fade send, so we still have backstage monitors with live mics even though they are "muted" in the house.

I know a Midas rep has said (in this thread I believe) that the mutes are working "as intended", but I'm just hoping that someday there will be some options for different pre & post aux send pickoffs
We have a Midas Heritage 1000 (analog board) and this is also how the VCA mutes work.  The VCA controls the faders -- muting the VCA is the same as bringing the affected fader(s) all the way down.  I understand what you and others are asking, but Midas simply copied the user (console?) interface from their analog boards.  Maybe in a future release they'll add an option to the user configuration page...
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on October 10, 2013, 10:05:27 AM
I totally agree, muting a VCA should be effectively the same as dropping all the input faders that are assigned to that VCA. Except it doesn't REALLY work that way because those channels are still being sent to the POST fade auxes when the VCA is muted. That's why I'm forced to use mute groups
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on October 10, 2013, 01:52:28 PM
To me post fader monitor wedges on stage, or in an orchestra pit, are a little strange. But this is exactly what we do with large musicals with lots of lavs. I often mix 20+ vocal mics from VCA's at FOH and I want the musical directors wedge to be a representation of the FOH mix. So, that when an actor walks offstage and I mute a VCA, it takes it out of the monitors too. That's kind of an imperative.

Usually I don't use the mute groups for mixing but instead for utilitarian stuff, like:
When we go to break and I want only the SM's mic on
Muting only multitrack playback
Leaving only specific groups of monitors on for rehearsing
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Al Burgess on October 10, 2013, 06:52:57 PM
personally I'd like Midas to consider the whole VCA thing a bit more seriously rather than take the line ' that's not how vca's work'.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 11, 2013, 03:29:14 AM
personally I'd like Midas to consider the whole VCA thing a bit more seriously rather than take the line ' that's not how vca's work'.

Midas is correct- that’s not how VCAs work.

@ Josh - If you want the Aux’s subject to the VCAs just assign the respective AUX to the VCA as well. When you press VCA mute the channels and the assigned AUXs will all mute.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 11, 2013, 08:34:46 AM
For some reason my Pro2 will not let me send aux-returns to auxiliary mixes 1-16. They're not even grayed out, they just don't exist. How do I get them back?
It happens on both the offline editor and my console.
Thanks.
(http://www.tinyninjaracer.com/duanes_image_hosting/no_auxes.png)

Works on mine ... Firmware 2.2   :)

Edit - Sorry Duane I posted in a hurry last night and the second pic about the latency compensation did not load.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on October 11, 2013, 10:15:38 AM
Midas is correct- that’s not how VCAs work.

@ Josh - If you want the Aux’s subject to the VCAs just assign the respective AUX to the VCA as well. When you press VCA mute the channels and the assigned AUXs will all mute.

I don't want to mute that mix though, just the contributions from those mics in that VCA.
It might work to move the aux to a matrix, and use yet another aux as a submix that I can assign to the VCA. I'm running out of auxes really quick though. I think we have 3 remaining, and 1 matrix. Got plenty of input channels though, I'd love some more options/flexibility in routing those
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mac Kerr on October 11, 2013, 12:49:40 PM
Midas is correct- that’s not how VCAs work.

That may not be how Midas VCAs work, but with the consoles I use pulling down the VCA is the same as pulling down the individual fader, and post fader sends from that channel are affected. Muting the VCA should be like pulling it down, post fader sends from the channels in the VCA group should also be changed.

Mac
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 11, 2013, 07:50:12 PM
That may not be how Midas VCAs work, but with the consoles I use pulling down the VCA is the same as pulling down the individual fader, and post fader sends from that channel are affected. Muting the VCA should be like pulling it down, post fader sends from the channels in the VCA group should also be changed.

Mac

Hi Mac,

My Pro2 works exactly as you described, just like a digital version of an XL series desk.
Sorry my point was too short & cryptic – i.e. it should work as you described. I don’t see that Midas has failed in terms of looking at the operation of the VCAs.

Perhaps I have misunderstood Duane & Josh and maybe there is something wrong with Josh’s desk if the VCA mute does not work as you described - mine does.  Perhaps a firmware update to 2.2 may fix the problem (?)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mac Kerr on October 11, 2013, 08:16:53 PM
Perhaps I have misunderstood Duane & Josh and maybe there is something wrong with Josh’s desk if the VCA mute does not work as you described - mine does.  Perhaps a firmware update to 2.2 may fix the problem (?)

Or perhaps I did. Glad to know things work as they should.

Mac
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Duane Rodakowski on October 12, 2013, 07:28:51 PM
Works on mine ... Firmware 2.2   :)
(http://www.tinyninjaracer.com/duanes_image_hosting/midas.jpg)
Edit - Sorry Duane I posted in a hurry last night and the second pic about the latency compensation did not load.

Get the fsck out! Really?
Peter, thank you.  :) Frankly no one responded to this for a couple of days so I sent an inquiry to Music Group Customer support Midas KT. They described a work-around, pasting the settings from one scene into the offending scene with the Automation-Show Editor. It worked, but what was really at fault was the "mode" button on the "config" tab for the return channel. NO ONE EVER MENTIONED THAT. 

Peter, I read the manual before asking this question and I never saw the text that you posted. Where did you get it?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 12, 2013, 10:19:54 PM
Get the fsck out! Really?
Peter, thank you.  :) Frankly no one responded to this for a couple of days so I sent an inquiry to Music Group Customer support Midas KT. They described a work-around, pasting the settings from one scene into the offending scene with the Automation-Show Editor. It worked, but what was really at fault was the "mode" button on the "config" tab for the return channel. NO ONE EVER MENTIONED THAT. 

Peter, I read the manual before asking this question and I never saw the text that you posted. Where did you get it?

Page 11 of the manual under signal flow – the manual is not the easiest document to find your way around.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Liam Huggins on October 14, 2013, 06:10:53 AM
Is there an option somewhere to mute both channels when they are linked together? i.e at the moment if I link two tracks together and I want to mute both I have to press the mute button on both channels, what I want to do is that when the channels are linked I only want to press one of the mute buttons to mute both channels.

Thanks


p.s. Is anyone going to comeback about the Clock question I asked earlier (If there is an option for a clock to be shown on the main mix screen?)
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on October 14, 2013, 07:15:58 AM
Is there an option somewhere to mute both channels when they are linked together? i.e at the moment if I link two tracks together and I want to mute both I have to press the mute button on both channels, what I want to do is that when the channels are linked I only want to press one of the mute buttons to mute both channels.

Thanks


I don't have the software or console in front of me, but I believe I am correct (or close).  In General Preferences on the Linking Tab....check the Mute option.  These selections all dictate what happens when channels are linked.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on October 14, 2013, 04:30:45 PM

I don't have the software or console in front of me, but I believe I am correct (or close).  In General Preferences on the Linking Tab....check the Mute option.  These selections all dictate what happens when channels are linked.

Good luck.
You are correct. Don't forget to hit 'change existing'.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Liam Huggins on October 15, 2013, 07:48:08 AM

I don't have the software or console in front of me, but I believe I am correct (or close).  In General Preferences on the Linking Tab....check the Mute option.  These selections all dictate what happens when channels are linked.

Good luck.


Just found it myself and came here to say, but found that two people have answered it already!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on October 16, 2013, 12:05:35 PM
You are correct. Don't forget to hit 'change existing'.

and to go back and re-check 'change existing' whenever you pair a new Channel/Aux/Matrix as well!!

Clues in the name 'change existing' I guess.. but still annoying to have to keep going back and re-clicking, whenever a new pair is made.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Keith Farmer on October 18, 2013, 03:11:30 AM
Hi All,

So I had my first hands on experience with a Pro 1 this week and I have to say, for the most part I loved it, sounds great, feels great etc.
However I have one HUGE issue with it.......

My issue relates to using it as a monitor console, and the inability to link the upper bank of Mix sends with the lower bank of O/P faders.

Now i love the collapsed flip and the pop group function, however if I want to solo a mix and adjust that mix then this requires selecting the same thing in two different places, how is that??

Also if I happen to have more than Eight contributions and use the expand function, then I now have no way of soloing another O/P, I can select another mix but still be soloing the previous one.

Please tell me this is soon to be rectified, as right now it is IMHO completely unusable as a monitor console.

Thank you in anticipation

Keith Farmer
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on October 18, 2013, 06:54:29 AM
Hi All,

So I had my first hands on experience with a Pro 1 this week and I have to say, for the most part I loved it, sounds great, feels great etc.
However I have one HUGE issue with it.......

My issue relates to using it as a monitor console, and the inability to link the upper bank of Mix sends with the lower bank of O/P faders.

Now i love the collapsed flip and the pop group function, however if I want to solo a mix and adjust that mix then this requires selecting the same thing in two different places, how is that??

Also if I happen to have more than Eight contributions and use the expand function, then I now have no way of soloing another O/P, I can select another mix but still be soloing the previous one.
Doesn't the masterfader become the master(and solo) for the selected mix? Then you don't have to flip between VCA and output on the right faderbank to solo a selected mix.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on October 18, 2013, 02:50:15 PM
Looking to set up the ipad with mixtender for the A2 to mix the 2trk recording feed...can anyone confirm that changes from the ipad won't interfere by changing the page/layer on the console itself?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Jelmer de Jong on October 18, 2013, 03:34:13 PM
Looking to set up the ipad with mixtender for the A2 to mix the 2trk recording feed...can anyone confirm that changes from the ipad won't interfere by changing the page/layer on the console itself?
That's right, switching layers or mixes on the iPad doesn't affect the physical mix.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 18, 2013, 07:17:56 PM
Hi All,

So I had my first hands on experience with a Pro 1 this week and I have to say, for the most part I loved it, sounds great, feels great etc.
However I have one HUGE issue with it.......

My issue relates to using it as a monitor console, and the inability to link the upper bank of Mix sends with the lower bank of O/P faders.

Now i love the collapsed flip and the pop group function, however if I want to solo a mix and adjust that mix then this requires selecting the same thing in two different places, how is that??

Also if I happen to have more than Eight contributions and use the expand function, then I now have no way of soloing another O/P, I can select another mix but still be soloing the previous one.

Please tell me this is soon to be rectified, as right now it is IMHO completely unusable as a monitor console.

Thank you in anticipation

Keith Farmer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H0alrrQ9IY
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kyle Van Sandt on October 19, 2013, 02:32:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H0alrrQ9IY

That didn't answer the question.  I know what the OP is talking about.  If you select a mix on the output/VCA faders, that select does not make the fader flip function.  To get fader flip to function you have to select the mix via the upper section master area, not the output/VCA area.  When you have a output/VCA fader selected, that select does not carry up to the main output section.  It is kind of annoying, especially when you consider there is no clean way to label that upper section where you have the button screen on the output/VCA faders. 

I really wish they would barrow the fader flip functions from the X32 on this one.  Not only can you select a output fader and flip that way, but if you select a channel while in fader flip mode the output faders flip to only work on that mix.  That gives  you a pretty easy and powerful way to quickly get a channel out to the act onstage. 

Personally, my workflow is the keep the thing in extended constantly and keep my right hand in the master control area. 

My only other gripe is I wish that the labels on the mix pots on GUI lined up with the pots on the GUI instead of being in a clump in the center of the screen.  If that pot said "Keys L" instead of Mix 4, it would make the world a bit easier. 

Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Keith Farmer on October 19, 2013, 03:59:02 AM
Doesn't the masterfader become the master(and solo) for the selected mix? Then you don't have to flip between VCA and output on the right faderbank to solo a selected mix.

That would certainly work to a degree, I can not say I noticed this behaviour, and upon confirmation of it I will be kicking myself very hard.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Josh Hana on October 21, 2013, 10:33:37 AM
Used Mixtender2 for the first time this weekend to do a recording mix, I really liked it.
The only problem was that when you're on the MCA screen for a mix, when you spill the MCA group, the input channels are locked to the main/masters even though the mix is selected, that threw me off once or twice, seems like the spilled channels should be for the mix you have selected.

Also is there no way on the app to get to input channel dynamics? There is a second "page" after input EQ but it's just the name and LED color
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Keith Farmer on October 29, 2013, 01:16:34 AM
That would certainly work to a degree, I can not say I noticed this behaviour, and upon confirmation of it I will be kicking myself very hard.


Anyone??
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on October 29, 2013, 02:15:53 AM

Anyone??

That's certainly how a Pro2 works … never used a Pro1 but I expect it’s the same.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Keith Farmer on October 29, 2013, 03:48:47 AM
That certainly how a Pro2 works … never used a Pro1 but I expect it’s the same.

Great, I will check it out next time i have the chance, this is still a two stage operation but at least it will give a better clarification that the mix you are listening to, is the one you are about to adjust. just need to get into the flow of select mix solo master, and repeat......
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on October 29, 2013, 12:35:42 PM
anyone know where you can find the lovely glow in the dark keyboards, shipped with the Pro series?
A friends decided to smash itself, in transit! Bounced out of tray insert, then tray must have slid and mashed it up a little.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on October 29, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
Not sure about the size....but this is as close as I could find.

http://www.amazon.com/Acrylic-Illuminated-Backlit-Computer-Keyboard/dp/B00749OLBO

Good luck.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Tim Padrick on November 02, 2013, 12:55:11 AM
The tray foam is a perfect fit to the keyboard, and the keyboard would seem to be unique. I got the numbers off of one but came up dry.  Try Starin.  If no joy, try Midas service.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on November 04, 2013, 04:25:50 AM
The tray foam is a perfect fit to the keyboard, and the keyboard would seem to be unique. I got the numbers off of one but came up dry.  Try Starin.  If no joy, try Midas service.
Yeah that's exactly what I turned up and recommended. Seems to be a unique build perhaps just for Midas, or a end of line product.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: peter dakin on November 07, 2013, 05:07:45 AM
Hows ver. G2.3 sitting with everyone? Been out a while now and not seen any revisions so is it as stable as 2.05?
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on November 07, 2013, 07:11:01 AM
Hows ver. G2.3 sitting with everyone? Been out a while now and not seen any revisions so is it as stable as 2.05?

Posted here yesterday asking the same question and my post was moved/deleted for some reason.  I just happened to see that the update was posted and haven't been able to find any info on what is new or any of the fixes.

May bite the bullet and update this weekend.

Any info would be great!!
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Peter Morris on November 07, 2013, 07:44:53 AM
Posted here yesterday asking the same question and my post was moved/deleted for some reason.  I just happened to see that the update was posted and haven't been able to find any info on what is new or any of the fixes.

May bite the bullet and update this weekend.

Any info would be great!!

AFAIK 2.3 is the same as 2.2 but with a few minor bug fixes.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 07, 2013, 11:05:36 AM
Posted here yesterday asking the same question and my post was moved/deleted for some reason.  I just happened to see that the update was posted and haven't been able to find any info on what is new or any of the fixes.

May bite the bullet and update this weekend.

Any info would be great!!

Your post was moved to its own thread (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,146849.msg1350487.html#msg1350487) because just stringing question after question onto a very long thread is not helpful. For a new question start a new topic.

Mac
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: David Jameson on November 07, 2013, 01:16:28 PM
Your post was moved to its own thread (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,146849.msg1350487.html#msg1350487) because just stringing question after question onto a very long thread is not helpful. For a new question start a new topic.

Mac

I wasn't complaining...just found it odd that after 34 pages of questions, my question was the particular question that didn't belong.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions
Post by: Kyle Van Sandt on November 07, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
Your post was moved to its own thread (http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,146849.msg1350487.html#msg1350487) because just stringing question after question onto a very long thread is not helpful. For a new question start a new topic.

Mac

Kind of thought that was the point of this thread...

I upgraded both my consoles to 2.3 over the weekend.  Had an issue with 2.2 where it would not save a new show file and 2.3 fixed it.  Ran 2 shows on it so far with no issue. 
Title: Re: Midas Pro Series Console Questions - Start new threads
Post by: Mac Kerr on November 07, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
If you have specific questions about Midas Consoles, or any console, start a thread with your question at least hinted at in the subject line so in the future people can search and find the thread.

I am closing this ungainly 35 page thread.

Mac