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Title: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Sherif Errefae on October 05, 2020, 03:30:25 am
I'm a DJ I play house music and psychedelic music i also sometimes combine live vocals and instruments.
Looking for the best Column speaker that will provide clear detailed sound and deep bass.
I'm comparing between the Turbosound IP2000 and the HK audio Polar 12. If you have better suggestions please advise me.
The Turbosound IP2000 has a 1,000 Watt amplifier & the HK audio Polar 12 has a 2,000 Watt amplifier, is this real rms watt or what is this exactly?

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Seth Udoll on October 05, 2020, 01:28:04 pm
I'm a DJ I play house music and psychedelic music i also sometimes combine live vocals and instruments.
Looking for the best Column speaker that will provide clear detailed sound and deep bass.
I'm comparing between the Turbosound IP2000 and the HK audio Polar 12. If you have better suggestions please advise me.
The Turbosound IP2000 has a 1,000 Watt amplifier & the HK audio Polar 12 has a 2,000 Watt amplifier, is this real rms watt or what is this exactly?

Thank you  :)
Hi Sherif.  Both of those ratings are complete bull shit marketing numbers.  I wouldn't be surprised if the true RMS figures were closer to 200 watts... maybe 300.

I don't have any experience with either of them, or anything below $1000, so I'm not really able to be helpful in making a choice... other than don't pay attention to the watts.  It doesn't indicate anything useful now-a-days.
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Steve Crump on October 05, 2020, 01:41:42 pm
I'm a DJ I play house music and psychedelic music i also sometimes combine live vocals and instruments.
Looking for the best Column speaker that will provide clear detailed sound and deep bass.
I'm comparing between the Turbosound IP2000 and the HK audio Polar 12. If you have better suggestions please advise me.
The Turbosound IP2000 has a 1,000 Watt amplifier & the HK audio Polar 12 has a 2,000 Watt amplifier, is this real rms watt or what is this exactly?

Thank you  :)

How large of a crowd are you trying to cover? Indoors and Outdoors?
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Ed Taylor on October 05, 2020, 03:45:57 pm
How large of a crowd are you trying to cover? Indoors and Outdoors?
friend has the Turbo - he does one-man piano /trax gigs and it's been fine for that, but the low end on any of the tower boxes that I've heard is merely plastic sounding bass...no thump..so for gigs like he does, the system provides him plenty of bass..but it's not a DJ rig.

I have been using the overpriced Bose L1c (compact) units for several years as part of my tool set.

for outdoor weddings they provide great coverage, for cocktail hours, they are perfect as well.

what I did was add a powered sub to them . Specifically EV's ZXA1 12" 700 watts. The Bose looks perfect sitting on top of that small compact sub..and when we've done smaller weddings/parties where my ceremony rig needed to instantly become a small DJ rig, it's been perfect.

I'm not recommending the Bose.. in fact, the first one I got years back was on a dealer promo for around $800..but they run a PPV system with their dealers so I could never get a price break on their stuff like I do on most other gear...so the additional Bose stuff was purchased as lightly used gear....always sub $600...and then the EVs can be had as open box/store displays from folks like iDJnow for $500...so that puts you in your price range.

I have 2 weddings coming up the end of October..50-75 guests and this bose/EV stack solution is what's going to work with me.
Iv'e also done pool parties with a single stack  and while the EV sub fell off as you got out across the pool, the Bose continued to throw the mid/top tones...amazing little rig...but up close in the dance and party fun area, the EV made all the difference.
I can imagine the larger Turbo base portion of the module or the JBL etc..would be a plus, but if you want some thump...add a sub

Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Geert Friedhof on October 05, 2020, 06:00:15 pm
Looked it up.
The HK's 2000W is 0.6Ax240V=~144W continuous, which is probably at 1/8 power (12dB crest, speculation)

The IP 2000's 1000W is 110W@1/8 max power, whatever that is.

For both no rms value is given. So presuming RMS is double that, the IP2000 will produce 123-6=117dB noise on a good (bad?) day, the HK maybe 1dB more.

Both will not produce any decent thumps at volume. I think you are better off with a 15"sub, and a 10-12" top.
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Tim Hite on October 05, 2020, 07:19:37 pm
I'm a DJ I play house music and psychedelic music i also sometimes combine live vocals and instruments.
Looking for the best Column speaker that will provide clear detailed sound and deep bass.
I'm comparing between the Turbosound IP2000 and the HK audio Polar 12. If you have better suggestions please advise me.
The Turbosound IP2000 has a 1,000 Watt amplifier & the HK audio Polar 12 has a 2,000 Watt amplifier, is this real rms watt or what is this exactly?

Thank you  :)

Best column speaker on the planet right now as fr as I'm cocerned is the L'Acoustics Syva. It runs ~$22,000

EV EVOLVE 50 are what I've been using for DJ rentals and wedding receptions. MAP is $1699 but you can find open box or call a dealer and get them around $1250.

RCF EVOX J8 is the best bang for the buck, I think. Way more rugged than the Turbosound and others and RCF has a great service department. MAP is $999

You can get better pricing from many of the dealers here on the LAB, myself included. I'd suggest emailing or calling someone from this board before you buy at a big box store.

 
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Geert Friedhof on October 05, 2020, 08:17:36 pm
Why are you set on a column system?
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: MikeHarris on October 08, 2020, 01:42:10 am
i question column too unless its merely form factor...not what column actually means to most of us
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Ed Taylor on October 08, 2020, 02:26:38 pm
i question column too unless its merely form factor...not what column actually means to most of us

I've gotta say...for years I was tossing big plastic grey mackie 450s or jbl eons up on stands...yes, i have the tripod stand skirts in both black and white fabric..but it still just looked ugly to me doing actual wedding ceremony gigs..DJ reception..ok..fine...but on the lawn with everything so meticulously decorated..and then you have these big honkin speakers standing there...no.  My daugher custom sewed white spandex slip covers for my Bose..they look shiek out on the lawn and give great coverage (yes, a K8 or K10 will throw wide as well), but the response from venue directors and wedding planners to the Bose have been very positive, so they have been my first choice,,and I had thought initially that I would have to pull larger SoS units out on big weddings, but it just hasn't been the case...180-210 seated outdoor weddings have been well covered with these little columns.
and like i said, if the music content, or quick switch to reception (dj mode) is needed, just adding the EV subs has made all the difference..now that said, I use a digital mixer up front that lets me dial in the speakers for where they work best..getting more out of the Bose and the EV than just a cheap analog mixer running into the sub and then out to the bose on top.
my daughter does most of our DJ work, and she'll still take one of her old mackie 450s out for quick daytime pool gigs at apartment complexes.. 2hours, $350...no, there's no thump...but enough coverage for her needs..2 years back she broke her foot and Pop had to load in for her...so for grins i left her mackie in the van and grabbed one of the bose/EV combos...what a difference!
yes, there are still I think 8? mackie 450s in my inventory..and a half dozen old eons..when they die I replace them ( K12s)..most just haven't given up yet.  But for a new and fresh look, I'm glad I added the "columns" as part of my offerings
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Don T. Williams on October 12, 2020, 06:58:30 pm
Not in the price range you are looking at now, but the Porsche Design Studio styled LD Systems Maui P900 series really are beautiful.  They sound good too from the demo's I heard.  For weddings and ballrooms I think they would be very acceptable.  Of course the ideal speaker would be invisible.  I haven't found one yet!
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Dennis Wiggins on October 12, 2020, 11:48:42 pm
I'm a DJ I play house music and psychedelic music i also sometimes combine live vocals and instruments.
Looking for the best Column speaker that will provide clear detailed sound and deep bass...

I'm curious about these:  Peavey LN™1263 Column Array

It has 12 HF drivers and appears to be quite tall.  The LF box is a substantial 48.4 lbs.  Has anyone heard a demo?
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Ed Taylor on October 27, 2020, 01:22:40 pm
I'm curious about these:  Peavey LN™1263 Column Array

It has 12 HF drivers and appears to be quite tall.  The LF box is a substantial 48.4 lbs.  Has anyone heard a demo?
thought about this thread this past Saturday night..was doing a wedding..75 guest max per state law.."barn" style building with open walls..so technically they could get away with the 75 instead of 50. Typical Dance beat/sub thump tunes.  Pair of Bose L1c units on top of (2) EV ZXA1 12" 700 watt subs...rig was pretty much throttled but not nailing the clip lights..absolutely all the levels that was needed.  and load out end of night didn't require a handtruck..just grab those little 45lb EVs one per side and walk away...if anything negative about these column dispersing rigs like the bose, I would say that I can't get away from the loud...with traditional SoS..you're behind them and it's the bridal party that gets hammered..the bose tend to really share the sound in all directions..no feedback issues wth the MC mic work, but dang was it loud!  The larger 15s and 18s were in the trailer in case I felt i needed more..but never gave it a second thought after I pushed the faders up.
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: ChrisHall on October 28, 2020, 10:59:30 am
My vote in this category (<$1000) is for the RCF J series. I previously had the Evox 8 in wood but the newer, cheaper, plastic J series definitely has more bass. It's important to note, I have found that with prerecorded music from a DJ controller into a line mixer that the entire Evox line are best run with the gain dial all the way up - assuming proper gain structure elsewhere in the system.   

Looking at the Peavey, EV, Turbosound & Maui, offerings in this category I prefer the universal threaded speaker pole and Speakon cable of the RCF. The fewer propriety parts the better. 
Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Ed Taylor on October 28, 2020, 10:22:55 pm
as per price/budget limits... I hear ya...I had originally score the first Bose L1c in my inventory as a Bose promo (they are really bad about PPV) but I got one for right at $800 new.
That, and a the second unit on site this past weekend was one I bought used (acoustic guitar dude wasn't getting the gigs)...paid him $500 for it including covers etc..like new.. in fact I'd be hard pressed to tell you which one was which the other night.
The EV subs I got from iDJnow as "store displays"..yeah..whatever...they look and function and were in fact packaged like new..again, well under $500 each..so that total 2x pairs of setup the other night was still very reasonable on the wallet.
and it was such a simple and laid back gig that I just grabbed an old mackie 1202vlz mixer...wireless headset on the pastor, wireless handheld for toasts, MC work and the tunes...done.
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Back in 2014 I bough an original Ultimate Ears (UE) mini boom that was less that 600 dollars. I never used it for a long time. I've taken it to small parties and I'm shocked at how much it can fill a room with sound that doesn't demand lowering the volume.

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Title: Re: Best Colomn Speaker for DJ+Live Musician Under 1,000 USD
Post by: Tim Weaver on March 09, 2021, 12:01:26 pm
Shure Vocal Master.

Best column speaker ever.