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Some friends of mine are building a small church in Texas. The construction crew framed it from the foundation to the roof last week
I exaggerate on "building in a week." Foundation work took a while (groundbreaking was in December), and there is still all the interior work to be done, but it's amazing to me how quickly this went up. Almost all of the labor on this project is being done by volunteers who are very experienced in construction. I've seen their workmanship and it is top notch.
Check out the attached pictures to compare the state of construction on Monday versus Friday.
And here's a Facebook video (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1597192470300975/permalink/1734991416521079/) featuring the construction guys singing in the church on Friday. (No Facebook account necessary to view.)
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This always amazes me as it takes weeks and months to build a house - apparently ;)
I came across this video of a 2 day church build (probably some footing work done head of time)
The Kingdom Halls are also usually built entirely by members of the church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOkjneqg5I0
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This always amazes me as it takes weeks and months to build a house - apparently ;)
Contractors? Workers? Trade subcontracts? Inspectors?
I used to flip houses with a buddy and is how I learned to really hate plumbing and appreciate good plumbers.
Getting work done in any industry is about being a focused worker. Look at how you set up your rig/gig. You have little time so you have packaged your gear and created a workflow that allows you accomplish a lot, but you must remain focused. Often in residential construction there is less focus. As a friend told his general contractor, regarding the friend's home build "I'd feel better if there was more visible progress and fewer visible beer cans." The result was the crew filling the garage walls with their beer cans while hanging drywall. Friend found out when the beer corroded an electrical outlet...
Another friend who was also a musician/band leader and carpenter, supporting his career partly by working for his dad's home building company. I was in dad's office to pick up paperwork and he hung up the phone... "I hired 4 framers yesterday and 2 of them showed up on site today." How can you run a business with that kind of labor situation?
With congregational church builds there is focus and determination. On a residential home build? Eh, whose turn is it to make the beer run?
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Not in this area of the world where the average new home cost is $900,000.00 . I've seen three houses go up in the past month with some pretty talented and dedicated crews.
Getting ready to replace the boiler in the 100 year old house. If you do it yourself it will usually get done right. It's always nice to have a best friend who owns the oldest plumbing company in the state. I do the work, and he tells me I suck.
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Not in this area of the world where the average new home cost is $900,000.00 . I've seen three houses go up in the past month with some pretty talented and dedicated crews.
Getting ready to replace the boiler in the 100 year old house. If you do it yourself it will usually get done right. It's always nice to have a best friend who owns the oldest plumbing company in the state. I do the work, and he tells me I suck.
Nice pipes Bob
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Getting ready to replace the boiler in the 100 year old house. If you do it yourself it will usually get done right. It's always nice to have a best friend who owns the oldest plumbing company in the state. I do the work, and he tells me I suck.
Looks like neat workmanship, but shouldn't you have some galvanic isolation between the copper pipes and the steel strut?
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Looks like neat workmanship, but shouldn't you have some galvanic isolation between the copper pipes and the steel strut?
Correct. I have 1/16" thick rubber strips between the pipes and clamps/strut. Ran out and have more on the way for those not already done. They probably won't be needed because the clamps are anodized, and I'll be dead before it matters.
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Nice pipes Bob
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Thanks Rob. Too bad I got careless with the torch and burned a spot on the sheetrock. (Which is backed by 1/2" plywood.)
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No Pex?
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No Pex?
I hate that crap..
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In the metro areas with all the different engineering documents required, all the phases of inspections (with the occasional rejections), I just don't see many quick builds. Now in rural areas with lax building code enforcement?? The best I have ever personally seen was a bank branch, after footings, six weeks to move in..
The last bank we were wiring got held up a week just because the building official was citing the 2015 Energy Code and the state is still enforcing the 2009. So, the debate between the contractor, architect and city held the project up until everyone was satisfied.
We are not a residential contractor. We do volunteer for Habitat and I will say on a "blitz build" it goes relatively quick, but it is a small house and kind of sparse.
Do you think a TV show builds a luxury home in a week??? I really don't...
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Some friends of mine are building a small church...
This belongs in the HOW forum.
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This belongs in the HOW forum.
Why? It's a general interest thread not even sound related. Half the posts in the LAB and Classic LAB are church situations, anyway.
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This belongs in the HOW forum.
I looked over at the HOW forum and really don't see a place for this, This is really not specific to AV/sound in connection to a HOW. The discussion seems to be more generally about construction and how quickly or not, that some things are built. And in one case it is about Bob's plumbing skills and how Pex may or may not suck. I think it being a HOW being built is really not the discussion. I think it is just a comment on how quickly they framed the building in and really isn't relevant to what the building will be used for.
Then again I could be wrong.
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I looked over at the HOW forum and really don't see a place for this, This is really not specific to AV/sound in connection to a HOW. The discussion seems to be more generally about construction and how quickly or not, that some things are built. And in one case it is about Bob's plumbing skills and how Pex may or may not suck. I think it being a HOW being built is really not the discussion. I think it is just a comment on how quickly they framed the building in and really isn't relevant to what the building will be used for.
Then again I could be wrong.
Bingo.
Not discussing HOW A/V issues in the thread. I just threw this up here in the basement because it's not really sound related, but because I know there are a lot of folks here who'd be interested. But, since it is a church (a type of performance venue), it sort of relates to the whole "sound" theme of the forum.
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I looked over at the HOW forum and really don't see a place for this...
You posted about a fucking CHURCH. How much more HOW-related can it get?!
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You posted about a ------- CHURCH. How much more HOW-related can it get?!
The church has a basement. This was posted in The Basement. Is that good enough for ya?
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You posted about a fucking CHURCH. How much more HOW-related can it get?!
I looked again since you so adamantly pointed this out. Still nothing in this post about "HOW Sound" or "HOW AV", so the "Basement" is still by definition the best spot.
Besides I didn't post about a Church. I am not the original OP and my post was about construction. (Edited so as not to offend, apologies...)
Wait, let's go one better. I don't see an area more suited by the forum's definitions; so specifically where is the spot that you are referring to? It's not falling under one of the four areas defined in the HOW area.
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You posted about a ....... CHURCH. How much more HOW-related can it get?!
I have as much use for a bar as some people have for a church-I don't find discussions about bar bands or shenanigans offensive and it really doesn't bother me if you enjoy those establishments, I still think we could find common ground to have a descent conversation.
Your attitude is really surprising given your signature line.
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Yo cats and chicks,
The moderators, some of whom I know personally, seem to think this is the place for this post.
FWIW, there have been complaints about the potty mouth language. In the context of the discussion, I don't see anything that is overtly offensive.
We are adults here.
I just wanted to run that by you all, so you know we are here addressing the concerns of the forum users, since deciding to take no action would not be apparent to the users.
Carry on.
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The church has a basement. This was posted in The Basement. Is that good enough for ya?
It wins the Relatively Literal Award!
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One further thought, in the OP it was referred to as a lower case "church", not as an all-caps "CHURCH", so if it has not yet been consecrated it isn't really a CHURCH church, merely a church. In further pedantry, it is possible that the basement really isn't a basement but an undercroft. Also, if we were to discuss the musical sub-genre of "The Tulsa Sound" we would have to refer to The [C-word] Studio at 3rd and Trenton.
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Also, if we were to discuss the musical sub-genre of "The Tulsa Sound" we would have to refer to The [C-word] Studio at 3rd and Trenton.
And it would require a reminder that "Tulsa" is "Aslut" spelled backwards. /regional humor
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Also, if we were to discuss the musical sub-genre of "The Tulsa Sound" we would have to refer to The [C-word] Studio at 3rd and Trenton.
I work just down the street from that place. Pass by it several times a week.
There is no Church studio in Tulsa. That building is a wreck and a squatter's hang out. Rumors abound that "someone" is going to rebuild it and do something with it. But no one seems to know who that mysterious "someone" is. It's been dilapidated and boarded up for over a decade with not one single sign of any kind of work happening on it. Plus, from the old pictures of the interior that I have seen, it was never a great studio environment to begin with. Just big parallel sandstone block walls with giant windows. No real acoustic treatment or isolation.
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I work just down the street from that place. Pass by it several times a week.
There is no Church studio in Tulsa. That building is a wreck and a squatter's hang out. Rumors abound that "someone" is going to rebuild it and do something with it. But no one seems to know who that mysterious "someone" is. It's been dilapidated and boarded up for over a decade with not one single sign of any kind of work happening on it. Plus, from the old pictures of the interior that I have seen, it was never a great studio environment to begin with. Just big parallel sandstone block walls with giant windows. No real acoustic treatment or isolation.
I have "Living on Tulsa Time" stuck in my head now, thanks.
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I have "Living on Tulsa Time" stuck in my head now, thanks.
When I was in college at the University of Tulsa, and playing in the marching band, we had to play Living on Tulsa Time and Take Me Back to Tulsa every year, all year long. Took me years to get those damn songs out of my head. :-\
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Cosmo, you surprise me. So here's what I'm going to do.
Being a good Irish Catholic boy I'm praying that I finish the plumbing within the next 60 days, so to that point I imagine the plumbing should now be considered a shrine of sorts. To make it official I'll take the rubber magnetic Jesus off of my dash in the truck and stick it to the black iron manifold for the TACO pumps. When I'm done I'll post a picture and we can move the link to the HOW forum if needed at that time. And being that Joseph was a carpenter, I'll ask the mods to move all construction related posts to the HOW forum as well.
I don't know what to say about electrical. Perhaps, and even though there is a forum already, we could create another forum titled Greek mythology, sub category Zeus, and put all the sparky shit there.
God bless you my son, go in peace.
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Getting ready to replace the boiler in the 100 year old house.
I see you're living in one of those new-fangled places. I was recently re-admiring the residual attic damage from the 1886 roof fire at my 1804 home, back when it was "only" 82 years old. I'm now sitting in the parlor room where John Philip Sousa composed some of his music... he also took dumps in my backyard (I can show you the foundation of the old outhouse :) ).