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I did a search and didn't find anything, but I feel like this has to have been discussed before. Please point me in the right direction if it has. Anyway...
I'll be mixing monitors on the 5D later this month and am looking for some pointers. I'm fairly comfortable mixing FOH on it if it's been setup ahead of time and I'm "fluent" on the M7 and LS9, both monitors and FOH. I'll read the manual and download the OLE but in the meantime any pointers would be much appreciated. It will be at a festival so everything will be preset, both wedges and IEM's. Thanks!
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245 views and no one has any input?
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245 views and no one has any input?
Maybe describing what you need to do, what the show requirements are, or how you usually work with other consoles will make it so someone can offer pointers. So far you just seem to have asked for a tutorial on monitor mixing, far too much information for an internet forum.
Mac
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Maybe describing what you need to do, what the show requirements are, or how you usually work with other consoles will make it so someone can offer pointers. So far you just seem to have asked for a tutorial on monitor mixing, far too much information for an internet forum.
That's about the response I expected. Back to the lighting forum... Feel free to delete.
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That's about the response I expected. Back to the lighting forum... Feel free to delete.
If you can't describe what you need help with it is pretty hard to help you. That will apply in life as well as on the internet. Good luck with that.
Mac
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245 views and no one has any input?
Hi Thomas-
Without some idea of what pointers or tips would benefit you, vis-a-vis the PM5D, we're at a loss.
So I'll offer mine... keep the 24 rotary encoders assigned to the mixes of the selected channel.
HTH
Have fun, happy mixing.
Tim Mc
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245 views and no one has any input?
I thought about replying, but there's at least 3-4 different ways to mix monitors on a PM5D, and I'll use them all throughout a show. To spend a couple hours typing up a response on how to do that would be difficult, especially when you've only touched the desk a couple times and don't REALLY know how it works:
I'm fairly comfortable mixing FOH on it if it's been setup ahead of time
My suggestion is to find someone who is very comfortable on the desk and have them walk you through mixing monitors on it. Either that, or do as Tim said and leave the encoders in Mix Send mode, NOT Mix Master mode. Then, as you select the channel, you can dial up the mixes as you would on an analog desk.
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Sorry man but that question was the equivalent of asking "How do I drive a car/truck with a manual transmission?".
If everything is going to be set as you say and you have time on other yamaha digitals I think you're gonna be fine.
edit: I type worse than somebody with tuna cans for fingers
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I didn't realize my question was so vague. Although, I got some solid answers, and I especially appreciate the suggestion to keep the encoders in Mix Send mode. I typically don't go into sends on faders mode on the M7 so that should work for me on the 5D. I guess most people put the graphics on the user defined keys? If not, what's the quickest way to get to them?
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I didn't realize my question was so vague. Although, I got some solid answers, and I especially appreciate the suggestion to keep the encoders in Mix Send mode. I typically don't go into sends on faders mode on the M7 so that should work for me on the 5D. I guess most people put the graphics on the user defined keys? If not, what's the quickest way to get to them?
Without having to assign graphic EQs to the UDKs, if you go into the GEQ display, then each graphic EQ will follow the selected mix that the respective EQ is inserted on.
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Without having to assign graphic EQs to the UDKs, if you go into the GEQ display, then each graphic EQ will follow the selected mix that the respective EQ is inserted on.
Good to know, thanks!
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A few things I like to do when I set-up a PM5D for Monitors;
First up, I usually head over to Utility->Preferences and turn on Recall Confirm, nothing worse than putting something on the keyboard and recalling a scene before you've saved up!
When I'm doing monitors I turn on the Mix->Sel Link and under the Monitor page is Cue->Sel link. I don't know how useful this is for you if you're not using flip to faders, But for those who do use flip to faders, the selected mix will follow which ever bus you are cuing. Great!
Other nifty tricks; Cue/Monitor on Fader (ST A/ST B),
When you are in a GEQ page, if you want to assign the GEQ to the center fader bay, you can hold the SHIFT key and push A/B/C/D/E etc to quickly jump to the bands you are after...
Just remember, there's a few different ways to achieve the same thing on this console, so experiment and find what you are most comfortable with!
A lot of this stuff is just my preference when I'm doing monitors on the 5D. Hope all the shows go/have gone well!
I did a search and didn't find anything, but I feel like this has to have been discussed before. Please point me in the right direction if it has. Anyway...
I'll be mixing monitors on the 5D later this month and am looking for some pointers. I'm fairly comfortable mixing FOH on it if it's been setup ahead of time and I'm "fluent" on the M7 and LS9, both monitors and FOH. I'll read the manual and download the OLE but in the meantime any pointers would be much appreciated. It will be at a festival so everything will be preset, both wedges and IEM's. Thanks!
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I absolutely LOVE mixing monitors in sends to fader mode. It took me a little while to get comfortable with it, but once I did, there was no turning back.
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Don't forget what the channel mutes do (and don't do) when you're in sends on faders mode. Number one observed mistake when I tech a console.
Also, fader flip on udk 25... the one usually reserved for the tap delay. That way you don't have to reach across the desk for your most common keystroke.
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Don't forget what the channel mutes do (and don't do) when you're in sends on faders mode. Number one observed mistake when I tech a console.
Also, fader flip on udk 25... the one usually reserved for the tap delay. That way you don't have to reach across the desk for your most common keystroke.
That my friend, is brilliant and not one I knew! Why hasn't a tech told me that before? (Only done one-off white glove shows on PM5d's)
My IEM's have a short leash (when without a pack) and i'm sometimes in danger of choking myself trying to reach the fader flip button!
I like to add custom channels to the custom fader banks, you can normally get a whole performer and key channels onto one bank (i.e. A=GUITARIST: guitar, acoustic, vocal, BV's, FX, TB and TTS). Bit like (emphasis on the bit!!) doing pop groups on the XL8/pro6.
Same goes for assigning instrumentation, A=Drums, B=Perc & Bass C=Guitars, D=Keys etc...
I also sometimes like to assign ch25-48 onto banks as well, so I can have 32ch's on the top layer, rather than flipping to 2nd layer.
Whatever the show dictates really.. that's why its a great machine, several ways of doing the same job, to suit the engineer.
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I hate flipping. Not having to flip will free up a hand and that would a good thing. So with encoders in 'Mix Send' mode I would just leave the console in post, set faders to zero and send to mixes via encoder. Then I won't have to flip to eq a channel (I admit its easy to accidentally eq a mix).
I wish we had had more graphics to insert. I hope they update that or something. Graphics on DCA are a must on monitors. Just REMEMBER to choose the mix you need to eq from your user define keys!! Or else you will eq the last chosen graphic, which can easily be a disaster. They don't link. At least I can't get mine to. Oh yeah,,Don't waste the 3 minutes I did looking for how to flatten a band on the graphic, just press the DCA bank button.
Pressing hi/lo eq buttons together on the parametric flattens it too.
Rememeber to set your channels so they link from left to right/odd to even only on the 5D.
Disengage your eq to screen view once you comfortable so you don't forget to use your ears in the digital world!!
I thought about replying, but there's at least 3-4 different ways to mix monitors on a PM5D, and I'll use them all throughout a show. To spend a couple hours typing up a response on how to do that would be difficult, especially when you've only touched the desk a couple times and don't REALLY know how it works:
My suggestion is to find someone who is very comfortable on the desk and have them walk you through mixing monitors on it. Either that, or do as Tim said and leave the encoders in Mix Send mode, NOT Mix Master mode. Then, as you select the channel, you can dial up the mixes as you would on an analog desk.
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...Graphics on DCA are a must on monitors...
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I did a search and didn't find anything, but I feel like this has to have been discussed before. Please point me in the right direction if it has. Anyway...
I'll be mixing monitors on the 5D later this month and am looking for some pointers. I'm fairly comfortable mixing FOH on it if it's been setup ahead of time and I'm "fluent" on the M7 and LS9, both monitors and FOH. I'll read the manual and download the OLE but in the meantime any pointers would be much appreciated. It will be at a festival so everything will be preset, both wedges and IEM's. Thanks!
So, Thomas, how did things go? What helped, what didn't, and what would you do differently? How was the provider's tech, a help or.. not so much?
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Easy, just insert the GEQ on the DCA, same way you would on an analog console VCA....
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.... When you are in a GEQ page, if you want to assign the GEQ to the center fader bay, you can hold the SHIFT key and push A/B/C/D/E etc to quickly jump to the bands you are after...
Awesome, figured there was a way to get there w/out the initial key/mouse over and click.
My tip that I learned a while back was dragging graphs over to copy (in GEQ overview), real timesaver.
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As VCA/DCA are Voltage Controlled Devices and there's absolutely no audio in the Fader but a DC voltage, what could I possibly insert in to control this DC voltage?
Inserting a Eq or Com/Lim is possible in Groups, Matrixes or Mixes but not in a VCA circuit.
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As VCA/DCA are Voltage Controlled Devices and there's absolutely no audio in the Fader but a DC voltage, what could I possibly insert in to control this DC voltage?
Inserting a Eq or Com/Lim is possible in Groups, Matrixes or Mixes but not in a VCA circuit.
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My reply was a joke, hence the "rolling eyes" emoticon.
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And mine could be an explanation to Leticia Castaneda?
Sorry!
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And mine could be an explanation to Leticia Castaneda?
Sorry!
Danny -
If you use the "quote" button to insert the message text from the replied-to message, it goes a long way toward circumventing this kind of confusion. Yes I know it's a poor substitute for a tree view, but it's what we have to work with.
No worries, if this is the worst thing that happens today I will buy a lottery ticket.
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Danny -
If you use the "quote" button to insert the message text from the replied-to message, it goes a long way toward circumventing this kind of confusion. Yes I know it's a poor substitute for a tree view, but it's what we have to work with.
No worries, if this is the worst thing that happens today I will buy a lottery ticket.
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Even the reply button should quote the new text from the previous message. To have a post with no quote at all you must actively edit it out. Some seem to feel this is the way they want it, I'll never understand why the would rather be unclear, but to each his own.
Mac
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Even the reply button should quote the new text from the previous message. To have a post with no quote at all you must actively edit it out. Some seem to feel this is the way they want it, I'll never understand why the would rather be unclear, but to each his own.
Mac
Doesn't that make having both "Reply" and "Quote" buttons redundant? The convention here is contrary to the way it's done on virtually every other vBulletin board.
Also, I wanna hear how the OP got along with the show?
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Doesn't that make having both "Reply" and "Quote" buttons redundant?
Discussed extensively here already:
http://forums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/topic,2417.0.html
To summarize, "Quote" quotes everything (including previous quotes), "Reply" just quotes the new content from the post being replied to.
GTD